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PappasArts
06-04-2010, 07:17 PM
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This thread is so that we can separate the R&D from the showcasing of footage- frames- analysis etc that is cluttering the Tester13 thread.


**ADDED June 13th- Lowlight 1080P frames.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2017000&postcount=93

**1600iso with a Nikon 35mm @ F1.4 @ 1/40th in 1080P high bitrate mode
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2019902&postcount=109

**Test blow up of 720P Hibit rate MJPEG MODE to 1920 and beyond.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2009705&postcount=29


Comparison of ORINAL GH1 AVCHD and NEW HIGH BIT RATE MJPEG FOR GH1.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/th_Picture33copy.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/?action=view&current=Picture33copy.jpg)

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/th_Picture34copy.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/?action=view&current=Picture34copy.jpg)

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/th_Picture35copy.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/?action=view&current=Picture35copy.jpg)[/quote]


**JUST ADDED June 11th - This frame is from the GH1's 1080P Hi-Bit rate MJPEG mode
**LINK to VIDEO FILE of example pic posted too! http://www.sendspace.com/file/1tigvj

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture70.jpg

THE 2:35:1 FRAME GRABS ARE ANAMORPHIC LENS FOOTAGE- SOFTER THAN THE NORMAL LENS FRAME GRABS TAKEN WITH NIKON GLASS. IT'S A MIX OF BOTH.


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Isaac_Brody
06-04-2010, 07:21 PM
What else can I say? Those look like photo stills. Nice and sharp and resolute.

PappasArts
06-04-2010, 07:27 PM
What else can I say? Those look like photo stills. Nice and sharp and resolute.

I finally said, "stop playing with the Panasonic anamorphic, and put on some serious glass"...

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PappasArts
06-04-2010, 07:28 PM
Wow, okay - now we're talking - there's no question the MJPEG mode outshines AVCHD here. More detail, better DR (if only slightly and may be due to the additional detail and not really DR - I don't know for sure)

The colors in the MJPG file appear more vivid - were your exposure settings identical?

Now we just need 24p!



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http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/th_Picture34copy.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/?action=view&current=Picture34copy.jpg)

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/th_Picture35copy.jpg (http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/?action=view&current=Picture35copy.jpg)


I know. The first shots were not good. Different days, different light. Needed to do that. It amazing isn't. However with the nikon, which I didn't bring with me, it would have been way over the top, since the high bit codec would handle all the extra resolution/detail of the better glass. That's next!





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Anamorphic GH1 Frames
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thisisapocalypse
06-04-2010, 08:07 PM
What lenses are you using with the Panasonic adapter? I'd say the Panasonic adapter is serious glass :)

That said if I were doing pure testing of IQ i wouldn't use mine because it can introduce other problems

...but I am shooting a feature film with it :)

MR Fanny
06-04-2010, 08:28 PM
wow the last pan shot...now thats what i wanna see. got me excited..ha

I havent been following progress closely enough but is mjpeg the preferred format to capture clips in now with the higher bitrate? is it possible to shoot 720 50fps mjpeg?

alignment1
06-04-2010, 08:34 PM
wow the last pan shot...now thats what i wanna see. got me excited..ha



+1 :2vrolijk_08:

streaks-yes

blocks-no

some comparison clips on vimeo/YT coming??
Thanks Big Pappa!!

PappasArts
06-04-2010, 08:54 PM
What lenses are you using with the Panasonic adapter? I'd say the Panasonic adapter is serious glass :)

That said if I were doing pure testing of IQ i wouldn't use mine because it can introduce other problems

...but I am shooting a feature film with it :)

I was just kidding. The Panasonic works quite well for the money. I'm using Vivitar 28mm. Tokina 19mm. Vivitar 19mm. Nikon 35mm, and other various lenses that work.

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Isaac_Brody
06-04-2010, 08:59 PM
Wow, the newest still... The closeup looks really filmic.

dcloud
06-04-2010, 11:21 PM
all whats left is 24p.

PappasArts
06-05-2010, 01:03 AM
Wow, the newest still... The closeup looks really filmic.


Indeed...

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PappasArts
06-05-2010, 01:07 AM
all whats left is 24p.

I hope it has both together as an option. I'm also of big fan of 30FPS- This goes back to my days of Iwerks and even faster temporal Showscan. I wish the standards were 30 - 48 and 60. Unfortunately as I love B&W too, these are not accepted mediums by the main stream..


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Vitaliy Kiselev
06-05-2010, 01:08 AM
Try new 1920 MJPEG patches, as they produce working files.
Most probably 1280p upscaled :-)

Isaac_Brody
06-05-2010, 01:11 AM
Man, you are on a roll! :)

AdrianF
06-05-2010, 02:32 AM
Wow, Testers work is really starting to show results. Thanks for posting the stills for comparison

Martti Ekstrand
06-05-2010, 02:35 AM
all whats left is 24p.
And 25p.

Chris Light
06-05-2010, 02:37 AM
25p=one frame ahead of the game.

Drcoffee
06-05-2010, 03:28 AM
Can the higher bit rate mjpeg footage be reviewed in camera? (sorry I'm a bit out of touch with the developments. Cheers, Jon

PappasArts
06-05-2010, 03:56 AM
Try new 1920 MJPEG patches, as they produce working files.
Most probably 1280p upscaled :-)


Got home from testing all night, the codec settings of earlier and all sorts of new stuff has happen with the firmware. 1920x1080 30P, NICE! I had great results in medium to low light. This weekend much filming to do with and with out anamorphic.

I'll get on this new patch ASAP. Great news!


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jeracravo
06-05-2010, 07:41 AM
what settings are you using on PTool?

Oedipax
06-05-2010, 05:16 PM
The other thread moves so fast I always feel a few steps behind. I understand the images here much better than the numbers in the other thread :)

It would be greatly appreciated if Mr. Pappas could give us some plain-english summary of the settings used and the compromises/limitations (if any) involved. I'd be happy to do some tests as well but I'm feeling at a loss for where to start. I've used the PTool already, so I get the basic idea, I just mean specific settings and such. 5D is my main camera for now so I feel okay about experimenting with my GH1.

Ian-T
06-05-2010, 06:25 PM
Nice pics Pappas... But what I'm seeing in the comparison is the MJPEG looks smoothened over like it went through noise reduction. The 17Mbps AVCHD looks like it has more detail in the image where the MJPEG looks cleaner and sharpened.

Or is it just me...??

bumkicho
06-05-2010, 06:51 PM
all whats left is 24p.

I shot below with MJPEG fps testing set to 24.

12327952

12 seconds in 12 second long footage. To me it looks good.

Download link - http://rapidshare.com/files/395747623/P1050812.mp4.html

Rabot
06-05-2010, 08:05 PM
If you're testing 24p, please incluse motion in the shot, otherwise you,re never gonna know if the clip look smooth or not.

Isaac_Brody
06-05-2010, 08:37 PM
Easiest way to test 24P is to put camera on tripod and pan smoothly from left to right or right to left. If you see a jump in the cadence you'll know immediately that's it's just 30P with a dropped frame.

PappasArts
06-05-2010, 09:23 PM
Nice pics Pappas... But what I'm seeing in the comparison is the MJPEG looks smoothened over like it went through noise reduction. The 17Mbps AVCHD looks like it has more detail in the image where the MJPEG looks cleaner and sharpened.

Or is it just me...??

It's the high bit rate that retains the smooth tone of the GH1. The GH1 has an excellent sensor that the low bit AVCHD was never retaining. Just look at the stills from the GH1 on photo boards. It can produce stunning results. Mjpeg at 60Mbits is a lot to be throwing at a 720P image that comes off a large 4k image sensor. It's quite awesome to see....

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Ozpeter
06-05-2010, 09:57 PM
The test scene at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPle0FnHJ7U seems to me to be a very good sort of scene to make comparisons. Passing vehicles at a likely-to-be-consistent speed, grass, patterns on buildings, etc etc. Panning to produce motion is too hard to do at a constant speed.

But to make panning more consistent, one could push some sticks into your back yard at intervals such that you'd pan across each stick at the rate of one per second (say). Then keep an eye on the GH1 time display relative to which stick is passing in the frame.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-05-2010, 10:05 PM
You don't need to test panning as it is 30fps. Period.

Use new sensor mode patches to make real tests.

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Did filming today. On this shot I only lifted the gamma just a bit. The high bit rate allows you to dig very well into shadows as last nights filming displayed too.

I have the 720P first. 2nd I upped the file to 1920x1080. 3rd, my favorite thing to do, blow up the image to see how far we can go.

This is for fun, and not scientific by any means. Oh, and I could kick my self, I forgot my long lens and used an alright one, However the right glass would have even made this better on all frames.

Original 720
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/1.jpg

Scaled up to 1920X1080
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/2.jpg

Zooming in more
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/3.jpg

Zoomed in
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Kholi
06-06-2010, 01:13 AM
Pappas, have you tried doing static shots of an object with high detail and comparing shooting 720 scaled to 1080 vs the in-camera 1080?

As well, if you have the ability to do so, can we get some 18mm Wide shots with high detail and buildings?

Looking forward to the new 1080/24P MJPEG footage.

PappasArts
06-06-2010, 01:18 PM
Pappas, have you tried doing static shots of an object with high detail and comparing shooting 720 scaled to 1080 vs the in-camera 1080?

As well, if you have the ability to do so, can we get some 18mm Wide shots with high detail and buildings?

Looking forward to the new 1080/24P MJPEG footage.


Kholi, I tried the 1080/30 patch. It's definitely a bigger image that is scaled before encoding. However the Mbits are now less and you need to use a lower bit rate to avoid spikes that will stop recording. Anytime I moved into a frame that had a lot of detail it stopped.

As well, the 720 getting average of 60ish Mbits, is like 1080 at 120mbits. I like the smoothness of the high bit 720 vs a moderate mbit of 1080. I am going to try one more 1080 with a moderate bit rate to see if it's worth it. However 720 hasn't been a slouch. It's hard to complain with the quality that little GH1 is knocking out at 720 with this high bit rate.

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Magnus387
06-06-2010, 02:08 PM
Pappasarts,

Your screen grabs look amazing. I've been doing some tests with the new firmware and nothing that I have looks even remotely close to what you are achieving. When I'm using the new Mjpeg my video looks incredibly noisy and the AVCHD in comparison is worlds better. Any suggestions?

bronxjragon
06-06-2010, 03:14 PM
there's a dog taking a crap in one of the stills : P

ATL Media Group
06-06-2010, 05:44 PM
there's a dog taking a crap in one of the stills : P

Would that be considered "mud"?
:shocked:

alignment1
06-07-2010, 07:37 AM
+1

I don't understand why the settings haven't been shared out yet?

(Edit… buried deep in previous posts)

NURBS has some great info every time he posts. On what settings were used. I think that they should be repeated every so often to make it easier.

Well maybe not repeated every so often as this will just create more posts to rummage through - but perhaps consolidated in one place and updated every so often-possibly even a sticky?

slyn4ice
06-07-2010, 08:13 AM
Here are a few screen grabs with the following MJPEG patch:

Quality settings (E1 to E4) - 352, 220, 200, 184
Table settings (E1 to E4) - 24, 24, 24, 24

Quicktime reports 54Mbit/s. I'm shooting with stock 14-45mm lens. I have been shooting with this patch for a while now. No problems except the fact that you can't view the files in camera (doesn't freeze - just gives you a card error message).
I was going to shoot a comparison AVCHD movie but i ... forgot :(


http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/59803/1275923157.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/59803/1275923339.jpg
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/59803/1275923392.jpg

Svart
06-07-2010, 08:14 AM
Agreed. I see a number of posts with various information and it's impossible to know which settings were used with with videos, etc. Maybe a sticky or updated first post (like Tester13's first post in the other thread) that keeps the current settings updated regularly.

Svart
06-07-2010, 08:20 AM
Here are a few screen grabs with the following MJPEG patch:

Quality settings (E1 to E4) - 352, 220, 200, 184
Table settings (E1 to E4) - 24, 24, 24, 24

Quicktime reports 54Mbit/s. I'm shooting with stock 14-45mm lens. I have been shooting with this patch for a while now. No problems except the fact that you can't view the files in camera (doesn't freeze - just gives you a card error message).
I was going to shoot a comparison AVCHD movie but i ... forgot :(







Did you use the upscaling or 1080P settings as well or is this still 720p?

I think we need to standardize the information that is reported with vids or stills just so we know what works.

sammysammy
06-07-2010, 08:24 AM
slyn4ice ,what sd card are you using?

alignment1
06-07-2010, 08:36 AM
Here are a few screen grabs with the following MJPEG patch:


I was going to shoot a comparison AVCHD movie but i ... forgot :(


:nads:
yeah kind of tough to tell any real progress being made w-out a solid comparison, side by side. Pappas does a real nice job of this- we should use same technique

Barry_Green
06-07-2010, 08:52 AM
Standardizing the test reports would probably be very helpful!

tester13, what specific parameters would you like reported with each post?

spamrakuen
06-07-2010, 09:00 AM
A template for IQ testing could be;



Quality E1,E2,E3,E4 :
Table E1,E2,E3,E4 :
FPS :
Card (brand, class) :
1080p : Y/N

Screenshots, Mbps achieved, and so.

slyn4ice
06-07-2010, 09:10 AM
slyn4ice ,what sd card are you using?

Using a class 6 16GB Transcend card.

No upscaling patch was applied - mjpeg is still 720p 30fps.

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Lack of upscaling seems to help with slower cards.

Pappas, what card did you use to get the reliable high bit rate rolling?

Sandisk extreme 8gig class 10.

Here are a few tests did over the weekend.

This was a filmed 720 then scaled up. Very cloudy, and getting dark when this was shot with a 200mm.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture68.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture72copy.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture79.jpg
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alignment1
06-07-2010, 08:13 PM
man that is looking good Pappas!

would love to see some motion though :)

mimirsan
06-08-2010, 02:48 AM
Pappas that looks great! Can you please share the settings what you used in ptool for 720 60mps?
:cry:

bumkicho
06-08-2010, 03:43 AM
Man.. I am in trouble now. I used to be happy with footage coming out of shooting in FHD avchd and transcoding/pulldown in cineform neoscene. Yesterday I shot the same scene in AVCHD FHD and MJPEG(higher bit) and whew.. quite big difference.. I love this higher bit MJPEG footage with no good way to transcode to 24fps.. Hopefully tester13 can improve AVCHD like MJPEG or can nail MJPEG 24fps!!!

mimirsan
06-08-2010, 03:57 AM
Here are a few screen grabs with the following MJPEG patch:

Quality settings (E1 to E4) - 352, 220, 200, 184
Table settings (E1 to E4) - 24, 24, 24, 24

Quicktime reports 54Mbit/s. I'm shooting with stock 14-45mm lens. I have been shooting with this patch for a while now. No problems except the fact that you can't view the files in camera (doesn't freeze - just gives you a card error message).
I was going to shoot a comparison AVCHD movie but i ... forgot :(







Thanks for the settings! Just tried it and looks phenomenal! No artifacting records nicely on my class 6! LOVE IT!

alignment1
06-08-2010, 06:26 AM
Thanks for the settings! Just tried it and looks phenomenal! No artifacting records nicely on my class 6! LOVE IT!

awesome--

just a note on thread here though....guys if your going to "quote" someone please omit the gigantic jpegs- just highlight them like text and delete from the quote- you still get your point across, but it really bogs down the forum with all these repeated ginormous jpegs.:furious3:

Not trying to be the hall monitor, but I think other will agree, to see the images once, should suffice.:)

alignment1
06-08-2010, 06:29 AM
Thanks for the settings! Just tried it and looks phenomenal! No artifacting records nicely on my class 6! LOVE IT!

so did you record 720 @ 60mbps? was 720p24- any skipped frames/frame duplication

can you share a clip?

thanks

Z

Adventsam
06-08-2010, 06:54 AM
Love to see a clip of this;-)

mimirsan
06-08-2010, 07:03 AM
so did you record 720 @ 60mbps? was 720p24- any skipped frames/frame duplication

can you share a clip?

thanks

Z

I didnt use 24p I used 30p...max bitrate ive seen on my clips was around 51mbps
I have a very messy back garden that caused me a lot of probs before with artifacts...but not any more...and if theres any there...its very very fine.
I have a vimeo account and will try to upload a uncompressed clip (If i have some space this week...if not then saturday afternoon)
*edit no space* the video file is 360mb

Oedipax
06-08-2010, 08:58 AM
Thanks for the settings! Just tried it and looks phenomenal! No artifacting records nicely on my class 6! LOVE IT!

Just shot some stuff in my back yard with the same settings - similar findings as yours. High detailed scenes, scenes with a lot of green, etc., all came in fine @ 720p30 MJPEG. Couldn't get the codec to generate any mud at all (even stopping down to f/11 and cranking the shutter then panning like crazy over high detailed grass, plants, etc). Used a regular 16gb Class 6 SD card from Transcend.

I shot in "Smooth" mode with Contrast at -2, everything else down the middle.

If there's interest I'll throw up some clips on Vimeo. It's just boring back yard stuff but the implications are very nice! We need to do something about the 3 minute recording limit, though... and hopefully 30fps --> 24.

Adventsam
06-08-2010, 09:04 AM
the format is exfat, no file limit! and possible speed increase.

Kholi
06-08-2010, 03:10 PM
Just shot some stuff in my back yard with the same settings - similar findings as yours. High detailed scenes, scenes with a lot of green, etc., all came in fine @ 720p30 MJPEG. Couldn't get the codec to generate any mud at all (even stopping down to f/11 and cranking the shutter then panning like crazy over high detailed grass, plants, etc). Used a regular 16gb Class 6 SD card from Transcend.

I shot in "Smooth" mode with Contrast at -2, everything else down the middle.

If there's interest I'll throw up some clips on Vimeo. It's just boring back yard stuff but the implications are very nice! We need to do something about the 3 minute recording limit, though... and hopefully 30fps --> 24.

Would definitely be happy to see some 720 or 1080/24 material. Compression breakthroughs are great, framerate breakthroughs are tipping points.

elementalracer
06-08-2010, 06:04 PM
Here is a test I did with the settings slyn4ice used.
I got 48.80 mb/s at 720/30p on this clip.
And I also wanted to see how the footage handled being graded in Color.

ungraded
http://noemedrano.squarespace.com/storage/Picture%202.png

graded with Color
http://noemedrano.squarespace.com/storage/Picture%201.png

Isaac_Brody
06-08-2010, 06:13 PM
As much fun as it is to be teased with stills, can someone throw something up on vimeo already? What are people shy? :)

elementalracer
06-08-2010, 06:51 PM
As you wish.
Please excuse the choppy video, Color exported at 23.976.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46SaFH2w0U0

Kholi
06-08-2010, 09:09 PM
Looks amazing. What's the status on 24P? Is it not working yet?

Oedipax
06-08-2010, 09:21 PM
Wouldn't it be ironic if we ended up not getting 24p working and people started using the old 5D optical flow tactics to convert their 30p stuff?

I'm confident Tester13 will get it sorted out, though :)

Also I'll cut together some of my 720p MJPEG stuff from today and post the Vimeo link here in a bit.

slyn4ice
06-08-2010, 09:42 PM
Hey guys,

I did upload some footage in Vimeo but when i looked at the uploaded (and re-encoded i assume) result it kinda looks crappy. Here is the link anyways:

http://vimeo.com/12354524

Update: Just uploaded to youtube as well and result is equally crappy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m-adg-wIIE

Maybe i am doing something wrong. Anyways, If anyone wants to look at the footage, I am happy to provide a download link (file is around 400MB). By the way - this is still 30fps.

dvbrother
06-08-2010, 10:24 PM
Has anyone been able to say with authority that the higher bitrate MJPEG looks better than AVCHD? Has anyone shot the same composition in AVCHD and done a comparison? The MJPEG stills posted here look great, but it seems more to do with good composition and proper exposure than the codec.
In Summer 2009, when everyone was just testing out their new GH1's, the MJPEG option was dismissed out of hand, not only because of the 30p, but because it apparently contained more false detail (sharpening) than the AVCHD that couldn't be removed. Is that not the case?
Just throwing my skepticism into the arena. It would be nice to see an A to B comparison of AVCHD and high bitrate MJPEG footage of the same thing so we could make a direct observation.

Oedipax
06-08-2010, 10:58 PM
Bleh. My edit of the footage looks like garbage when I convert it to H.264 for Vimeo upload. I mean it's not terrible, but it makes it impossible to judge the gains made by the increased bitrate, since the compression erases it to a large extent.

slyn4ice
06-08-2010, 11:05 PM
Has anyone been able to say with authority that the higher bitrate MJPEG looks better than AVCHD? Has anyone shot the same composition in AVCHD and done a comparison? The MJPEG stills posted here look great, but it seems more to do with good composition and proper exposure than the codec.
In Summer 2009, when everyone was just testing out their new GH1's, the MJPEG option was dismissed out of hand, not only because of the 30p, but because it apparently contained more false detail (sharpening) than the AVCHD that couldn't be removed. Is that not the case?
Just throwing my skepticism into the arena. It would be nice to see an A to B comparison of AVCHD and high bitrate MJPEG footage of the same thing so we could make a direct observation.

Just look at the snapshots in the first post - the third comparison i think. It shows fast panning with the mjpeg and the avchd. You can see the mud garble the AVCHD implemented in the GH1 outputs and what a smooth image you get from the MJPEG. This is precisely why i shoot mjpeg only - mud free. Just try and shoot some 1080p AVCHD with a complex scene and fast motion ... bleh

slyn4ice
06-08-2010, 11:05 PM
Bleh. My edit of the footage looks like garbage when I convert it to H.264 for Vimeo upload. I mean it's not terrible, but it makes it impossible to judge the gains made by the increased bitrate, since the compression erases it to a large extent.

Yup, same here ...

Kholi
06-08-2010, 11:54 PM
Has anyone been able to say with authority that the higher bitrate MJPEG looks better than AVCHD? Has anyone shot the same composition in AVCHD and done a comparison? The MJPEG stills posted here look great, but it seems more to do with good composition and proper exposure than the codec.
In Summer 2009, when everyone was just testing out their new GH1's, the MJPEG option was dismissed out of hand, not only because of the 30p, but because it apparently contained more false detail (sharpening) than the AVCHD that couldn't be removed. Is that not the case?
Just throwing my skepticism into the arena. It would be nice to see an A to B comparison of AVCHD and high bitrate MJPEG footage of the same thing so we could make a direct observation.

I don't remember the Photo JPEG mode being dismissed on sharpness or false detail. I do remember it being a drag because of 720/30 and there was, for me, a fixed pattern over the footage.

However, I had always noticed an obvious quality difference between the 1080 AVCHD and 720 PJPEG modes, the latter of which just looked "money".

From what I see in the footage being posted already, just knowing these cameras (All DSLRS) I'm noticing an almost 5D like, still-worthy video file. That's even with YouTube compression.

Of course, scientific is the way to go, skepticism well-warranted, from the side of experiencing all modes and even still having footage left over, it really does look like a much better image to me.

Especially in the video of panning and the waterfall rushing.

I agree, though, let's get some side-by-sides. I'm very very tempted to just grab a GH-1, PL mount and mount some Cooke's to do some testing.

Kholi
06-08-2010, 11:56 PM
Bleh. My edit of the footage looks like garbage when I convert it to H.264 for Vimeo upload. I mean it's not terrible, but it makes it impossible to judge the gains made by the increased bitrate, since the compression erases it to a large extent.

I'm no compression guru, but for my 7D uploads lately I've been outputting H264 without rescaling or anything like that.

Maximum Depth, etc.

And I try to get the file size to 1MB per second. So if it's a 60 Second clip, I'll set a limit of like 3,200Kbps Data Rate.

30? 7,400Kbps max Data Rate

When Vimeo gets ahold of it, it degrades it a bit but enough to where it doesn't look horrid.

As well, remember, Vimeo gives you the option to allow the original file to be downloaded.

mimirsan
06-09-2010, 12:43 AM
Has anyone been able to say with authority that the higher bitrate MJPEG looks better than AVCHD? Has anyone shot the same composition in AVCHD and done a comparison? The MJPEG stills posted here look great, but it seems more to do with good composition and proper exposure than the codec.
In Summer 2009, when everyone was just testing out their new GH1's, the MJPEG option was dismissed out of hand, not only because of the 30p, but because it apparently contained more false detail (sharpening) than the AVCHD that couldn't be removed. Is that not the case?
Just throwing my skepticism into the arena. It would be nice to see an A to B comparison of AVCHD and high bitrate MJPEG footage of the same thing so we could make a direct observation.

I can say with authority that the image quality 10x better than the avchd. The original mjpeg had artifacting & some moire (I have this bamboo fence in the yard the the mjpeg & avchd hated) but this is because of higher detail.
Also colour banding was a issue and I had probs with reds being a bit crushed.
Now I dont have any issue....theres no moire...very very fine artifacting that you can only barely just see from pausing some footage...the image has a more smoother filmic look (in comparision to the harshness of the original mjpeg) this must all be to do with compression settings.
I want to upload some footage...but I have a free vimeo account and use my limit. Come saturday I will post something up.

IanB
06-09-2010, 06:32 AM
It appears I missed the latest patch by about 20 minutes last night! This test would have been with the high bit-rate AVHCD but alas, I missed it. Will grab it today/tonight for some tests.

Here is a frame grab from two shots both having the same medium fast pan of a high detail scene. I used the MJPEG settings found with the avg bit-rate of 79mbs found on page 187 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=206788&page=186) or so of the main thread.

Here are the settings I used from Jobless for the mjpeg

Quality settings (E1 to E4) - 512, 352, 220, 200
Table settings (E1 to E4) - 24, 24, 24, 24

Using a SanDisk Extreme III 30mbs class 10 card with 16gb of memory.

This Footage was not in infinity focus, so only the flowers and Rhody's are in focus (next test will be infinity. Smearing on the edges is my lens. Schneider Xenon 28mm F2 arriflex mount lens (c. 1972).

AVHCD

https://stillmaninteriors.dc1.netfirms.com/stillmaninteriors.com/images/AVHCD2.jpg


AVHCD Scalled down 1:2 in VLC

https://stillmaninteriors.dc1.netfirms.com/stillmaninteriors.com/images/AVHCD3.jpg

Here is MJPEG

https://stillmaninteriors.dc1.netfirms.com/stillmaninteriors.com/images/MJPG.jpg

https://stillmaninteriors.dc1.netfirms.com/stillmaninteriors.com/images/MJPEG.jpg

jobless
06-09-2010, 12:56 PM
Has anyone been able to say with authority that the higher bitrate MJPEG looks better than AVCHD? Has anyone shot the same composition in AVCHD and done a comparison? The MJPEG stills posted here look great, but it seems more to do with good composition and proper exposure than the codec.
In Summer 2009, when everyone was just testing out their new GH1's, the MJPEG option was dismissed out of hand, not only because of the 30p, but because it apparently contained more false detail (sharpening) than the AVCHD that couldn't be removed. Is that not the case?
Just throwing my skepticism into the arena. It would be nice to see an A to B comparison of AVCHD and high bitrate MJPEG footage of the same thing so we could make a direct observation.

I did some Avchd vs mjpeg tests...
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=213082&page=7

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Here are two frame grabs from the GH1's 1080P mode I just did a few moments ago.

These are not upscaled 720P files like a few days ago at the beginning of this thread. I have been trying out the 1080P mode and this I can say this seems very close to true 1080P. The 720Ps are great, however the 1080P's have punch. Either it's got one hell of a upscaler, or it's real 1080, or close enough. Tomorrow I will shoot some out door stuff and see how well it does.

Mjpeg is truly awesome. I frame goodness at good bit rates.


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture70.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture71.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/GH11080PMODE.jpg

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture67copy.jpg

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Adventsam
06-11-2010, 03:03 AM
Just posted a few frame grabs shot real quick from the GH1's 1080P Hi- Bit rate MJPEG mode.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2015034&postcount=71

Pappas

Or what you've found here! This is a massive breakthrough because although mjpeg 1080p may not be suitable for everyday shooting for video, for stills this is incredible, 30fps 2mpx stills of this defintion can be very handy indeed for sports capture-impromptu capture, 3-5 secs like this is fine for many stills shooters, and baecause we can get down to lower shutter in a continuous mode this helps enormously. Tester13, would love to explore the highest res we can go in mjpg too. These are fabulous! look like 4k scans!!!! This is getting better and better. Tester13 anymore on the 120fps at a 720p res? again 5-10sec of that would be oh so good

Adventsam
06-11-2010, 03:15 AM
Pappa, can you list exactly what paramaters and settings you have checked for this. Just 10 secs of this type of footage would be awesome for fast stills extraction, sports, in promputu capture, truly awesome.

PappasArts
06-11-2010, 03:21 AM
Or what you've found here! This is a massive breakthrough because although mjpeg 1080p may not be suitable for everyday shooting for video, for stills this is incredible, 30fps 2mpx stills of this defintion can be very handy indeed for sports capture-impromptu capture, 3-5 secs like this is fine for many stills shooters, and baecause we can get down to lower shutter in a continuous mode this helps enormously. Tester13, would love to explore the highest res we can go in mjpg too. These are fabulous! look like 4k scans!!!! This is getting better and better. Tester13 anymore on the 120fps at a 720p res? again 5-10sec of that would be oh so good

They remind me exactly of 4K scans down sized to 2K. Mjpeg is the holy grail for this camera in doing hi res work. I have been messing with this all night. Avchd is great for long form cause of file size' this is fantastic for shooting top projects. Mjpeg is highly regarded and is capable of beautiful results. Get this to over 80Mbits and it gets even better.

MJPEG 1080P mode
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Canadafirst
06-11-2010, 03:38 AM
The implications for shooting MJPEG Time-lapse are huge. Assuming we retain the 1/2 second shutter speed?

Adventsam
06-11-2010, 03:46 AM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/masters.galleries.dpreview.com/346350.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=14Y3MT0G2J4Y72K3ZXR2&Expires=1276254003&Signature=32gsbWTVNh9XeXK8yxBtOMgIVDQ%3d

or go here

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/9640001356/photos/346350/picture67copy
you can download the original 8mpix here.

It looks great!! This is incredible.

Oedipax
06-11-2010, 04:22 AM
Yes, can we get your exact settings, Pappas? I've just tried 1080 MJPEG using settings publicized, er, elsewhere, and had consistent record freezes after just one second.

mimirsan
06-11-2010, 06:35 AM
+1...unless you are using the publicized settings...or a faster card?

Park Edwards
06-11-2010, 08:19 AM
+1 on settings
why is nobody posting footage?

Timmyjoe
06-11-2010, 08:22 AM
I'm a little confused here. Reading all this, is the High Quality MJPEG at 1080p, is that at 24 fps or still at 30 fps? Most of what I have seen and been able to download is at 30P. Does the firmware change allow you to shoot 1080p High Quality MJPEG at 24P native?

Best,
-Tim

mimirsan
06-11-2010, 08:22 AM
some dont post settings either :-( No 24p with mjpeg....yet...who knows? maybe soon? If you want full 1080 mjpeg...a faster card than class 6 is needed it seems.

Asiertxu
06-11-2010, 08:31 AM
Hi there guys!

IŽve been following with AGREAT interest this topic since was born!!!!...:D.
IŽve been unged up all the time here and HAVE TO thanks the great job that Tester13 and other testers arround here like NURBS, Jobless etc...have and are doing right now!.
IŽll do my money donation very soon as you deserve it, NO DOUBT!

Now I would like to help the ones that they dont know yet about Pappas MJPEG setting...so here we go:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry_Green http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=2014805#post2014805)


I'm getting top bit rates of 80Mbits on 720P footage with 512.352.220.200 on class 10 cards

80Mbits 720 is better than 50Mbits 1080.

Hope this helps fellows!!
Cheers and keek up the NICE work!!

tester13: this settings are not complete as this is only quality settings without table index values.

Kholi
06-11-2010, 11:23 AM
Here are two frame grabs from the GH1's 1080P mode I just did a few moments ago.

These are not upscaled 720P files like a few days ago at the beginning of this thread. I have been trying out the 1080P mode and this I can say this seems very close to true 1080P. The 720Ps are great, however the 1080P's have punch. Either it's got one hell of a upscaler, or it's real 1080, or close enough. Tomorrow I will shoot some out door stuff and see how well it does.

Mjpeg is truly awesome. I frame goodness at good bit rates.



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I agree that these look awesome. Also, moving footage has looked pretty intense as well. I think they're two different looks within the same camera which is sick to have.

So, I'm all for the push to get 720/24 or 1080/23 Photo JPEG out of the GH-1. Although I bet I'd be satisfied with the new AVC-HD no Pulldown 1080/24 as it is, if it's going to get both then who's to complain? Hopefully Barry can shoot some charts with your 1080/30 settings and report back on what he's finding. When he has the time.

If I had to choose between SD out and 1080/24 Photo JPEG, though... VIDEO OUT.

:D Heeee

Barry_Green
06-11-2010, 11:53 AM
Mike, I tried your settings on a different chart, and actually I will say that the res looks pretty good, definitely in the ballpark with the AVCHD, but -- something weird and disturbing shows up. It's chroma aliasing just like on the Canons.

Check it out:
http://dvxuser.com/barry/GH1-MJPG-vs-AVCHD-chroma-alias.jpg

Are you seeing ANYTHING like this in your shots?

You posted the "quality" settings, but not the "table" settings for what you're shooting. Maybe the "table" settings are the difference? Can you post all the quality and table settings please?

Kholi
06-11-2010, 11:55 AM
Mike, I tried your settings on a different chart, and actually I will say that the res looks pretty good, definitely in the ballpark with the AVCHD, but -- something weird and disturbing shows up. It's chroma aliasing just like on the Canons.

Check it out:
http://dvxuser.com/barry/GH1-MJPG-vs-AVCHD-chroma-alias.jpg


Are you seeing ANYTHING like this in your shots?

You posted the "quality" settings, but not the "table" settings for what you're shooting. Maybe the "table" settings are the difference? Can you post all the quality and table settings please?

Yikes! Now that you mention it, that looks like what we saw on the other charts. You can barely see it on GruorgMG (is that the right name?) first test. It looks like chroma noise on the lines. I can't believe how neatly the AVCHD tapers out. No crazy color shifting.

Thanks yet again, though.

Hunting down a GH1 right now.

PappasArts
06-11-2010, 01:40 PM
Mike, I tried your settings on a different chart, and actually I will say that the res looks pretty good, definitely in the ballpark with the AVCHD, but -- something weird and disturbing shows up. It's chroma aliasing just like on the Canons.

Check it out:
http://dvxuser.com/barry/GH1-MJPG-vs-AVCHD-chroma-alias.jpg

Are you seeing ANYTHING like this in your shots?

You posted the "quality" settings, but not the "table" settings for what you're shooting. Maybe the "table" settings are the difference? Can you post all the quality and table settings please?


Barry, I have been working on a formula since june 1st. The latest 1080P stills come from this. Since then 720P was max. However I'm just going to post my excerpt of my testing notes in a few. This should all make sense then. That said the GH1 is definitely not up-scaling, or it's got a super scaling chip in it.

Oh yeah, 24,24,24,24 for tables. I went with what others were doing. Just wait. I have a whole new set of everything except 24,24,24,24, I left that intact.

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06-11-2010, 01:44 PM
Here is a video file shot with new setup. It's quick since these files are large. It from one of the pics.

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Kholi
06-11-2010, 02:00 PM
Yeah I love the look of the PhotoJPEG material. It's just different enough to look awesome when played back. I'll take a different look in one camera for sure.

Or, well, maybe it's the glass you're using Pappas? That would be trying out some AVC-HD 1080/24 stuff as well.

PappasArts
06-11-2010, 02:19 PM
Nikon glass is what I used. Mjpeg is a good codec, just it creates large files. However the trade offs are worth it. I haven't done the AVCHD patch as the I love Iframe Mjpeg to much.

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Asiertxu
06-11-2010, 02:41 PM
tester13: this settings are not complete as this is only quality settings without table index values. Ah...
I understand!!... on these settings posted by PappasArts werenŽt the table setting wich are very important.
Sorry for that, and thankyou Tester13 to correct me!!
Cheers!
Asier.

Barry_Green
06-11-2010, 02:41 PM
Okay, I'll reshoot using your new 1080p MJPG settings and see what happens.

PappasArts
06-11-2010, 02:57 PM
Didi you see my new thread barry? This is the new setting. I just shot a test

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=213364

I just shot a outdoor shot at 74.32 mbitss for 3:26seconds

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SHOT TONIGHT AT ISO 400 NIKON 35MM at F1.4 at 1/40th- Low light tests. 1080P MJPEG
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture112.jpg
---------------------SAME SETTINGS AS ABOVE- EXCEPT SWITCH TO 160ISO
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Kellar42
06-13-2010, 10:46 AM
No FPN!?

Park Edwards
06-13-2010, 11:01 AM
he shot it at 160 and 400, there isn't any FPN on any of my shots using ISO's at that speed before the patch.

Kellar42
06-13-2010, 11:04 AM
Ah, I didn't see the 160...sorry...at 400 ISO on mine that much light those two guys in back, especially in the second shot would start to have lines...damn things love faces and slightly out of focus areas. But rumor has it bodies can be different...

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06-13-2010, 02:39 PM
damn things love faces and slightly out of focus areas. But rumor has it bodies can be different...

It sure does. I was very pleased with the results considering the level of light that isn't there.

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GMancusa
06-14-2010, 03:43 PM
I need a little advise. I'm ready to pull the trigger on the GH1, my first DSLR. I've shot with a Z1u and FX1 for the past 4 years. These cams only were capable of 3 lux @18db and 1.6, OK but not great. There are video cams capable of much better (ie. 1 lux). I just read an article today at DigitalCamerainfo that rated the GH1 at a minimum 17 lux. and the 7d at 8 lux (I didn't spot the lens info anywhere??). Am I missunderstanding something? These are both bad by comparison to the state of video cams. Please help, I really want to take the plunge

Thanks

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06-14-2010, 04:00 PM
I need a little advise. I'm ready to pull the trigger on the GH1, my first DSLR. I've shot with a Z1u and FX1 for the past 4 years. These cams only were capable of 3 lux @18db and 1.6, OK but not great. There are video cams capable of much better (ie. 1 lux). I just read an article today at DigitalCamerainfo that rated the GH1 at a minimum 17 lux. and the 7d at 8 lux (I didn't spot the lens info anywhere??). Am I missunderstanding something? These are both bad by comparison to the state of video cams. Please help, I really want to take the plunge

Thanks

The GH1 smokes nearly any video camera in low light with a fast prime on it.

I had a Z1 and my GH1 with a Canon 50mm f1.4 is like shooting with nightvision compared to the Z1u.

sirk
06-14-2010, 04:07 PM
short question: you resize 1280x720 MJPEG to 1440x1080 in camera to sqeeze it to 1920x1080 in post, is that correct?
why dont you resize it to 1920x1080 im camera directly? too much bitrate?
thanks

GMancusa
06-14-2010, 06:03 PM
The GH1 smokes nearly any video camera in low light with a fast prime on it.

I had a Z1 and my GH1 with a Canon 50mm f1.4 is like shooting with nightvision compared to the Z1u.

Finally, thats exactly what I wanted to hear and from a Z1 user as well. I have a canon FD 1.4 and 1.8 primes. Thank you very much Alt Media Group.

PappasArts
06-14-2010, 06:32 PM
short question: you resize 1280x720 MJPEG to 1440x1080 in camera to sqeeze it to 1920x1080 in post, is that correct?
why dont you resize it to 1920x1080 im camera directly? too much bitrate?
thanks

Were not sure if its 1080 or 720P to start off. The 1080's appear to have more definition. As to why the DVCPROHD/Hdcam squeezed format; it's Mbits are to much at 1920x1080 with these setting.


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06-14-2010, 07:47 PM
Finally, thats exactly what I wanted to hear and from a Z1 user as well. I have a canon FD 1.4 and 1.8 primes. Thank you very much Alt Media Group.


You are welcome. =)

I shoulda mentioned... I also owned an HMC150 which was better than the Z1 in low light. Picked up an HMC40 as a B cam and it was so good in good light that I replaced my HMC150 with the GH1. The GH1 was better than the HMC150 in lowlight with a fast prime and now with the higher bitrates with the hack it's even better! I love the GH1 Now.. it was good before, now it's awesome.

Oedipax
06-14-2010, 08:01 PM
In PTool, the custom width & height settings for MJPEG state not to go higher than 1920 and 1080 respectively, but I can confirm going wider the 1920 works fine for me. I shot some anamorphic footage today at 2160x720 (after seeing some screenshots on EOSHD) and it came out nicely, except that I remembered later that my anamorphic is a 2x so I really want 2564x720, or maybe just 1920x540. I'll test that out tomorrow, but I figured I'd throw this out there for anyone else who wants to try.

One really cool side benefit is you can look at the MJPEG clips afterwards and they have the squeeze already done (so you can check out your unsqueezed composition, although playback doesn't work).

Still hope there's a way to unlock a 1440x1080 mode that is true 4x3 (full height of sensor) for anamorphics!

Kholi
06-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Still hope there's a way to unlock a 1440x1080 mode that is true 4x3 (full height of sensor) for anamorphics!


That would be very awesome. Or a very high bitrate 4:3 in general. Wowsers.

PappasArts
06-14-2010, 08:26 PM
In PTool, the custom width & height settings for MJPEG state not to go higher than 1920 and 1080 respectively, but I can confirm going wider the 1920 works fine for me. I shot some anamorphic footage today at 2160x720 (after seeing some screenshots on EOSHD) and it came out nicely, except that I remembered later that my anamorphic is a 2x so I really want 2564x720, or maybe just 1920x540. I'll test that out tomorrow, but I figured I'd throw this out there for anyone else who wants to try.

One really cool side benefit is you can look at the MJPEG clips afterwards and they have the squeeze already done (so you can check out your unsqueezed composition, although playback doesn't work).

Still hope there's a way to unlock a 1440x1080 mode that is true 4x3 (full height of sensor) for anamorphics!


Yeah, I tried this, and it was cool. I focused on getting a good 1080P and 720P. However this is another approach that gave me interesting results. I shot some stuff in Newport Beach, however the expanded frame size stopped the camera. So I went back to the 1080P mode.


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Mike@AF
06-15-2010, 01:10 AM
Pappas, In post 93 above I notice the info on the top image says the duration of the clip is 13 seconds and the data file is only 119MB. How is this? When I patch my camera with your settings I get a little more than 2 minutes on one 4GB card, which is basically telling me 2GB/minute. How are you getting so much time in so little space? Could I be doing something wrong? Even unpatched, MJPEG HD mode (720p) gives me only 8 minutes on a 4GB card.

ryancglover
06-15-2010, 09:13 AM
I really want 2564x720, or maybe just 1920x540. I'll test that out tomorrow, but I figured I'd throw this out there for anyone else who wants to try.

very interested in hearing about the 2564x720 tests! what about 2848x800? that'd give a perfect 2.4:1 1920x800 image... any indication yet how the cam is actually generating the extra 'resolution' ? ..this is all so crazy! and I havent found a minute to be able to start testing things myself yet.. but soon.

PappasArts
06-15-2010, 03:19 PM
Here is a frame grab from a rehearsal test at 1600iso with a Nikon 35mm @ F1.4 @ 1/40th in 1080P high bitrate mode. This was a grit test shot in low light, and set for warmer balance.

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svecher
06-15-2010, 03:47 PM
Pappas, In post 93 above I notice the info on the top image says the duration of the clip is 13 seconds and the data file is only 119MB. How is this? When I patch my camera with your settings I get a little more than 2 minutes on one 4GB card, which is basically telling me 2GB/minute. How are you getting so much time in so little space? Could I be doing something wrong? Even unpatched, MJPEG HD mode (720p) gives me only 8 minutes on a 4GB card.
119MB * 8 bit/byte /13 = 73.2 Mbit / sec. Seems about right. 2Gb / minute is ~267 Mbit/sec. This can't be. Check the actual sizes on MJPEG files. What's happening here I think is that you don't have 4Gb on a card (it's going bad).

Kellar42
06-15-2010, 03:47 PM
Wow, that's amazing! I've got to try it now that I have a faster card!!!

PappasArts
06-15-2010, 03:51 PM
Wow, that's amazing! I've got to try it now that I have a faster card!!!http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d94/PappasArts/Picture31.jpg


:-) I was blown away by the performance- at these setting.

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Mike@AF
06-15-2010, 04:04 PM
119MB * 8 bit/byte /13 = 73.2 Mbit / sec. Seems about right. 2Gb / minute is ~267 Mbit/sec. This can't be. Check the actual sizes on MJPEG files. What's happening here I think is that you don't have 4Gb on a card (it's going bad).

In AVCHD mode is say 31 minutes recording time available. Flip over to MJPEG and it says 2 minutes. I can record enough to fill the card in AVCHD and it all plays back just fine on the camera and on my computer before and after transoding. I get the same results with all six 4GB cards I have. So my guess is it's not a bad card. I can't actually record the MJPEG though because my card isn't fast enough.

adammada
06-15-2010, 04:04 PM
thanks "PappasArts" for great Settings:love4:

PappasArts
06-15-2010, 04:09 PM
thanks "PappasArts" for great Settings:love4:

Your welcome man! :-)


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adammada
06-15-2010, 04:11 PM
thank you and great Respect

svecher
06-15-2010, 04:21 PM
In AVCHD mode is say 31 minutes recording time available. Flip over to MJPEG and it says 2 minutes. I can record enough to fill the card in AVCHD and it all plays back just fine on the camera and on my computer before and after transoding. I get the same results with all six 4GB cards I have. So my guess is it's not a bad card. I can't actually record the MJPEG though because my card isn't fast enough.
I think that camera's remaining time estimation functions don't work [correctly] with modified bitrates.

Mike@AF
06-15-2010, 04:39 PM
My guess as well. Thanks.

Mike@AF
06-15-2010, 04:46 PM
I just updated the firmware for 720p with the high bitrate settings and it worked on my Sandisk Extreme II Class 6 card. It said 2:31 available, but actually recorded 3:54.

EDIT: Wow! MJPEG is awesome, even at 720p. Wish we could get 24fps out of it.