Kill Bill vol2.

[infokill]

saw it this morn.
to those who saw it what did you think?
i liked the first, but the second was definitely a change of pace. i think it was a bad idea splitting the movie into 2. all in all i thought it was great.

[Phil]

DAMMIT...got off work, just waited for like an hour...couldn't get in...all sold out...

But as far as it being a bad idea about splitting the two up, he said in an interview that he thought 3-4 hours of this style of movie, could become too much for the average viewer...

This style meaning spewing blood from hacked off limbs... ;)

[infokill]

dont want to ruin anything for you, but vol2 takes a BIG turn from the first. less action and more story in this one. when you see it you'll see what i mean about the bad split. i could have totally sat through the whole movie if it was one.
i saw it at 10 in the morn right after class ;D

[ecoloco]

Great movie!!!!
One of the best part two's i've seen in a long time. Great storytelling and beautifully photographed. Music was fenomenal (Specially will Ennio Morricone's original tracks).
Bravo Quentin, Uma and company.
What pisses me off is that after all this, they're gonna come up with a special edition DVD set packed with extras.

[infokill]

;D

[Contact_Therapy]

I have heard there already is an UNCUT version of Vol.1 out in some foreign land with an extra 2 minutes of footage, more blood and the black and white scenes are in color. :-/

[Mike_Donis]

Why are the black and white scenes in colour? Weren't they *supposed* to be in black and white? Or was the decision made after it was shot for the ratings? (just because it was rated R here in canada regardless- and for everyone to know, Canada's 18A is the equivalent to America's R, Canada's R is equivalent to NC-17). So it basically got the worst rating regardless... :-/

[infokill]

Nope. in japan the B/w scenes were in color when the movie came out. i guess it had something to do with america when it was shown here. still looked good though. im debating if i should by vol 1 on dvd, cuz i have a feeling they might put out a set of 1&2 with extra stuff.

[Mike_Donis]

That's so weird...I didn't know that red blood shows up as white in B&W...I wonder if they digitally manipulated the blood...it seemed like it was a different liquid altogether (more like water or oil or something). Hmm..

[David Jimerson]

Hitchcock used chocolate syrup for blood.

[dpwanab]

Why are the black and white scenes in colour? *Weren't they *supposed* to be in black and white?

I assume you're referring to the flashback sequences when The Bride is training with the old Monk who keeps playing with his beard? That was not a black and white sequence.

http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX/YaBB.cgi?board=news;action=display;num=1082506559; start=0

This thread talks about that scene and how they acheived the look.

I'm not sure what the motivation was on the use of b&w throughout the two movies, actually, but I'll pay closer attention if I see it again.

[Contact_Therapy]

I assume you're referring to the flashback sequences when The Bride is training with the old Monk who keeps playing with his beard? *That was not a black and white sequence. *


I believe Mike was referring to the B & W scenes in Vol. 1.

After taking a gander at the Japanese Uncut version, the only B & W scenes that were restored all took place during the battle against The Crazy 88 in the House of Blue Leaves(?). The were other shots added thoughout the entire movie as well but nothing majorly significant besides poor poor Sofie getting her other arm cut off.

This is odd because in the next scene you see her rolling down the hill with only one arm missing :P

[Mike_Donis]

Well, I dunno about what was Tarantino's original vision. I've decided that either way, the version I saw here in Canada in the initial theatrical run kicked ass. Nuff said :D

Volume Two was even better!

[Dan_Lahav]

rarely have i seen a sequel that has triumphed over the 1st. Excellent movie. Good job tarantino!

Oh yeah, it's not over guys. He's planning on making a third one *;D

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Entertainment/ap20040409_818.html

[Barry_Green]

Kill Bill is unique in the history of sequels because it's not really a sequel at all, it was all made as one movie. Miramax balked at releasing a five-hour film, so they cut it in half and released it as two different films.

[Policar]

Just a heads up for all of you who hated the fact that it was split in two. Tarantino retained all rights to the japanese version of the movies (cut slightly differently with more blood and some black and white scenes in color) and will combine the two movies into one film to be premier at Cannes.

[David Jimerson]

Kill Bill is unique in the history of sequels because it's not really a sequel at all, it was all made as one movie. *Miramax balked at releasing a five-hour film, so they cut it in half and released it as two different films.

Well, you can pretty much say the same for "The Two Towers" and "Return of the King."

[Barry_Green]

Sort of, but not exactly. The plan (as I understand it) was always to release the LOTR films as individual films. Kill Bill wasn't -- it was designed, written, shot and edited to be one film. It was just way too long, and Tarantino refused to cut anything out to get it down to a releasable length (like 3 hours) so they hit on the compromise to just split it in half and release it as if it was two different films.

Two Towers and ROTK were interesting in that they were all shot at the same time, but that'd already been done once before, with Back To The Future II & III.

I still think Kill Bill was unique for the way they made two volumes out of it: they shot one movie, then just snipped it in half and released it as if it were two.

[seantree]

thats good to hear. I'm hoping it isn't edited to hell and back. looking forward to it's release since the U.S. hasn't seen Jet Li in "true form" yet. I wish the the general public could see Tai Chi master or New Legend of Shaolin just once. They would realize that Jet Li is so much more than "hip hop kung fu movie" material.

[David Jimerson]

OK, finally saw KB1.

I liked it very much. Better than "Jackie Brown." WAY better than "Reservior Dogs."

Great direction. Cool anime in the middle.

And it's pretty clear why it went to B/W during the huge fight scene. Can you say NC-17?

Wasn't so big on the spraying blood. I understood it, but it was probably a little over-the-top.

LOVED the O-Ren Ishii entourage scenes.

[Mikel_Low]

KB2 was really good in places and typical in others. I am thankful that it had more good moments than bad. Master Pai Mei had me reminiscing about those Saturday afternoon Kung Fu flicks back in NYC when I wore a much younger man's clothing. I enjoyed the scene between Uma Thurman and Darryl Hannah ... some folks cringed but I got a rather good chuckle in me ole belt buckle. As far as being over the top ... the film is over the top and pure fantasy. Nonetheless ... an entertaining piece of fantasy (in my opinion). Worth seeing for matinee prices. Good Fortune.

[J.R. Hudson]

David

My favorite scenes were also the ENTOURAGE sequence! The best scenes were with Lucy Liu (especially the boardroom meeting). Not one of my favorite films unfortunatley; and this coming form someone who owns and loves all of QUENTINS films.

Ive never been a huge fan of KUNG FU fighting anyway. Fun at times, but too much of an 'okay' thing. I havent seen the 2nd yet but I understand its less FIGHTING?

Ill pass judgement on KILL BILL after I see part 2.

[David Jimerson]

The best scenes were with Lucy Liu (especially the boardroom meeting). *

You know, I didn't like her at first (years ago; probably association with Ally McBeal which worked against her), but Lucy Liu pretty much steals every movie she's in, doesn't she?

[J.R. Hudson]

I totally agree. I never understood the Alley Mac phenomenon but LUCY kicks ass (and is kind of hot).

[David Jimerson]

She was DAMN hot in "Charlie's Angels."

[Anartiste]

KB2 is... Tarantinissimo !

The best scene, for me, is the coffin scene — the black screen, the sound of the earth falling on the wood, then on the earth, dimmer, dimmer, the engine of the car fading away, Uma's breath, the flashlight...

Thrilling.

This scene is the very essence of cinema to me : ultra high emotional density obtained through ultra light technicality — one static shot.

The El Paso church scene (when Uma and David talk at the front door) is a goddam motherfucking little leone-hitchcockian piece of legend.

Quentin takes a great care of his audience, respects it very much.

He's now a Jedi master of the 7th art.

[Mike_Donis]

Talk about chills in that opening chapel scene when they pull away from inside the chapel to a big crane shot, and the four Viper Squad members step into frame....

Bang on Anartiste...that IS cinema!

[Barry_Green]

Yeah, but you want to hear something funny?

That scene was total improv. *They didn't plan it that way at all.

According to Bo (who played the preacher) they had a huge fight scene scheduled for that. *But they were running way behind schedule, and Tarantino was stuck as to what to do. *Eventually he figured out that they didn't need to show anything -- they'd just pull back with the crane.

[Mike_Donis]

hahah yeah right!

Sounds like what happened with the ear scene in Reservoir Dogs...they shot footage of Mr. Blonde cutting off the cop's ear, but it looked so cheesey that they cut it in the end.

Though I guess you gotta judge the finished film itself, and pay less attention to the process it went through to get to where it was...Still though, that's kinda sad to hear :P

[Voytek_Stitko]

vol 2 was just different
i loved it - especially the way tarantino plays with audiences' emotions and moods

vol 1 was just hay hay hay hay hay

[PaulK]

The best scene, for me, is the coffin scene — the black screen, the sound of the earth falling on the wood, then on the earth, dimmer, dimmer, the engine of the car fading away, Uma's breath, the flashlight...

Thrilling.

This scene is the very essence of cinema to me : ultra high emotional density obtained through ultra light technicality — one static shot.
I agree, that was a great scene.

Coincidentally, I've seen two other movies this summer that used the same technique, i.e., black screen w/audio only.

It was used really effectively in Fahrenheit 9/11. When Michael Moore switched to a black screen and only played the sounds of the jets crashing into the WTC, it seemed twice as powerful than if he had actually shown it all. The old Hollywood adage of never showing that which can be implied is so true; the imagination makes the moment so much more engaging.

Similarly, there's a great little indie film making its way through the circuit right now called Awful Normal. The film is about the director's (Celesta Davis) confrontation with a man who molested her when she was six years old. The man wouldn't confess with the video on, but did admit to what he did with the audio taping. The screen went black, and all you could hear was this SOB admitting his guilt. It was amazing, extremely emotional, and not scripted -- proof positive that some of the best moments in film are often unplanned.

And I agree with everything else you said. IMHO, KB1 + KB2 is a masterpiece. I wrote a film review for KB2 for our local film group. Maybe I'll post it.

[Cheesesailor77]

In case u havn't heard, Tarantino screen a single 4 hour edit at cannes last month, his 'original vision'.

Cant wait tio get this 1 volume edition on DVD (which there is sure to be). Personally I really disliked Vol 1 and, well, kinda missed Vol 2 in theaters. But I always knew that in a single 4 hour run, it'd be a faw superiour film.

here's to Miramax not ass *LOVING* us ever again and underestimaing the audience in favor of doubling their grosses. This is a trend which has alredy gone way to far Between KB and to a lesser extent the matrix movies (please do not respond with anything about the matrix, i dont wanna get into it). I will never pay twice to see one movie butchered again!

[monte]

KB... where to start...


Well, it's not the first movie I've been dragged to, nor forced to watch the dvd...

however... lets start this out in Chronological order (unlike our good friend Baby-faced Quentin)

KB V1:

The first film where i have ever fastwarded through the fight sequences, yes I understand that this is a "fantasy" movie that pokes fun of it self, but i found it not satirical nor whimsical or even witty, it was ... dare i say... garbage as far as the plot and fight sequences went.

The Anime sequence was cool, I must admit, but it seemed as if it was just in there "to be cool" like most of the movie, with QT refusing to cut down on scenes where you have 5 minutes of the characters walking into rooms or driving in cars in slomo cut to below average over the top Hispanic subcultural music, it was just... garbage

The Acting - Uma means horse in japanese... i think that speaks for itself... although Lucy Lui was great I thought she played the character very well, "HORSE" on the other hand, played a "silent angry cyborg" the whole movie almost as if she was wearing a mask made out of the skin of the dead... garbage

One good thing about this movie is that QT didn't make a major cameo... which made me smile

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KB V2

I saw this before seeing KB 1, I didn't want to see either of them however I was taken to it at a local movie theatre.

Lets begin

I don't remember much about this, for good reason. I tend to block traumatic images and sounds out of my head, it's just the way I am... heres what i do remember... garbage

More weak storyline "Oh she has a baby and bill has the baby in his custody, well, this is an interesting and original plot twist, I expect to be glued to my seat, for, I, the average american consumer have never seen such an interesting Idea. Dare I say it... QT is god... wow i will go write a rave review hyping this movie so more people go pay 2!!!! seperate tickets to go see one movie hahaha!"

Sorry got a little out of control there...

Moving on

Less action... I am thankful for this as the action in V1 was saddening and well... garbage

The anticlimatic ending is something I will remember as well... if you've seen it perhaps you too were a bit dissapointed by Uma pulling out the old "I have this secret weapon that nobody knows about"
I mean its about as original as batman pulling out a can of "anti rotation spray" when joker comes after him in his car, making the cars wheels stop spinning.

Thats all i can think of, so that leaves about 2 hours of movie left that I didn't mention... man that means the rest is too traumatic to recall...

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FUN FACTS - After I saw Kill bill 1 I ranted about how much i hated it for 11 days afterwards... it infuriated me... im not sure why... any ideas on this?

After seeing KB volume 2, in theaters, I actually vomited when i got home (seriously) because I was so disgusted that I had sat through it and that somebody had paid good money for me to see it as well

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Conclusion: Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction to this? Maybe he IS a one trick pony...

Not to mention HERO the exact same plot as KB is what I have gathered from the trailer: A mans family is killed by a group of assassins, now he hunts them down for revenge 1 by 1!

Garbage, that's all I have to say

[PaulK]

FUN FACTS - After I saw Kill bill 1 I ranted about how much i hated it for 11 days afterwards... it infuriated me... im not sure why... any ideas on this?

After seeing KB volume 2, in theaters, I actually vomited when i got home (seriously) because I was so disgusted that I had sat through it and that somebody had paid good money for me to see it as well

Me thinks you take great pleasure in baiting people for an argument. :P

Either that, or you haven't learned that film is a subjective experience.

If you truly didn't like it, too bad for you, because it's always better to enjoy a movie than to not enjoy it.

Either way, the words "Kill Bill" and "masterpiece" have been used together in the same sentence many, many times. I doubt a film any of us makes will be so lucky. ;D

[Mike_Donis]

Also, Tarantino didn't do "Hero". He brought it to America, that's all.

[Cheesesailor77]

lol, maybe I dont share ur views exactly, but yeah I can actually say a hated Vol 1 as well, didnt see 2

I thought the acting was really good all the way around. I thought "Horse" playe dthe part great, its just that the part sucked. Thats not her fualt.

Also, I loved the music! RZA is amazing.

Anyway, even though I hated it, i still felt im my fart that tarantino wouldnt do me wrong and that the Studio pressure made a perfectly good 4 hour film into 2 superflous halves.

Heres to hoping the 4 hour edit hits it right!

[Phil]

you wrote fart!

[Cheesesailor77]

lol dude thats not funny, except that u pointed it out! ::) hehehehe

[Mike_Donis]

I chuckled at both ;D

[dvpixl]

yeah, regarding HERO most people didn't see, Tarantino PRESENTS in the theatre. some retarded dude shouted out, "Yo that's Tarantino's new movie!"
*then I rolled my eyes... and just watched KB2.

KB is a masterpiece.

[Phil]

(please excuse my late review)
Wow, I really like Tarantino...a lot. I've loved all his movies. and he is one of the reasons I want to become a film maker.

Looking at it from a story aspect, I wasn't too impressed. :( I'm VERY sad. I was REALLY bored.

Now looking at it from a cinematographer's aspect. AMAZING. Great shots, and composition. Great style.

And then it dawned on me. KB was all about style. Old school fighting style, Black and white style, spraying blood fighting style...directing style, lighting style...you know?

Overall I think the story was lacking, but I thought this was great. But anyone else feel like not going to the theater and watching it on a big screen...just hurts? Lately I've noticed renting a movie kills the film experience...

This and The Last Samurai...should've seen it in theaters...

Damnit, yet my ex drags me to see Daredevil?? What the hell?? She won't be missed. :P ;D

[Phil]

I just watched it again, and it's soo much better...It's amazing...But I am SOOO for a complete version. I'm going to go rent vol. 1 so I can watch them together...

It's kind of like Back to the Future, they're good alone...but I love watching all three in a row.

[PaulK]

I just watched Vol 1 and 2 back-to-back on DVD. What a phenomenal movie (it really is only one movie). Still, I wrote a review for KB2 by itself for my local film club:

It’s August, and Kill Bill Volume 2 is still one of the best films that have come out of Hollywood this year. Basically it’s an action movie, but what makes it unique is the way genres are combined and themes are interwoven, not to mention some absolutely stellar performances and beautiful cinematography.

Kill Bill 1 was a showcase for Tarantino’s skill in non-linear story telling and his astounding ability in combining amazing images with perfectly chosen musical scores. Despite the bloodshed (which is deliberately cartoonish, rendering it much less offensive) Tarantino had created a film with genuine warmth -- an homage that exuded the director’s love of film. However, while some felt the artful presentation was an end unto itself, others faulted it for not having enough character development or the trademark Tarantino conversation that made his previous films so distinctive. I’m sure those critics are happy now because Volume 2 has everything that Volume 1 lacked, resulting in a film dichotomy in the truest sense of the word: Volume 2 is the yin to Volume 1’s yang, the meat to the other’s bun. Combine the two and you have a masterpiece.

Kill Bill Volume 1, the first film directed by Quentin Tarantino since Jackie Brown six years previously, was the first half of a fairly simple story: A woman and her quest for revenge. Her name was not revealed; she was simply referred to as The Bride since it was at her wedding that she was left for dead by her ex-coworkers, members of an elite group of assassins known as the Deadly Vipers Assassination Squad (DiVAS). Apparently their boss, a man named Bill (David Carradine), did not approve of employee resignations. The Bride survived but her unborn daughter was lost, so she swore bloody vengeance against those responsible. By the conclusion of Volume 1, The Bride had eliminated two of the five on her death list.

Volume 2 begins with a deliberately cheesy looking black and white film noir shot of The Bride (Uma Thurman) driving her convertible while talking to the camera, explaining what she’s been up to since the end of Volume 1. Just as with the first movie, the film starts off out of sequence; she tells us she’s finished off all but the last one on her list, and she’s now on her way to perform the title -- she’s on her way to kill Bill! The scene cleverly serves as a trailer for the rest of the film, complete with self-referential Hollywood hype. In fact, it was extracted and used for the first KB2 teaser trailer.

From there we’re thrown back in time to witness a disarmingly gentle conversation between Bill and The Bride -- essentially two ex-lovers attempting to lay unresolved relationship issues to rest. Despite the amiable tone the tension is palpable since we know from the first movie that with every passing moment The Bride and her entire wedding congregation are one step closer to becoming Viper-ized, yet we don’t know exactly when the inevitable will occur or what will trigger it. It’s a great scene made an order of magnitude more powerful thanks to Tarantino’s trademark out of sequence narrative.

We then flash forward to learn the fate of the other two remaining Deadly Vipers: Bill’s hick of a brother, Budd (Michael Madsen), and the depth-perception-challenged Elle Driver (Daryl Hannah). Along the way there’s lots of great dialog, a scene deliberately designed to freak out claustrophobics, an explanation of how The Bride became so incredibly deadly, and an absolutely brilliant fight sequence within a cramped trailer that ends not with a bang but with a squish.

In the last chapter, appropriately entitled “The Last Chapter,” The Bride and Bill meet for the final showdown. But things don’t unfold how she, or we, imagined they would. Instead of fists-of-fury, we get tongues-a-waggin’. But it’s all good, even great at times. In a funny and exciting flashback, we’re shown how The Bride’s career path turned on a dime the moment the life-taker learned she’s going to be a life-maker. And Bill reveals his passion for comic books, in particular the mythos of comic book heroes, expounding at length on Superman’s alter ego, Clark Kent. It works perfectly. Tarantino’s unique and quirky dialog works a type of mojo most screenwriters would kill for.

As far as pure technique goes, both volumes comprise a film making primer akin to Citizen Kane. Artistically blended black and white, color, and monochrome sequences combined with freeze frames, split screens, slow-mo, extreme close-ups -- you name it, Tarantino probably used it. Genres ranging from Film Noir to Spaghetti Western are effortlessly combined. And Tarantino reveals yet another talent by directing one of the best child performances in years without the nauseating Spielberg-esque byproducts that are so typical.

But Kill Bill 2 is far from being just a technical exercise. It’s character driven all the way. Despite being a bunch of killers, each one is memorable, even likable, and rich in nuance -- defined just as much by their actions as their conversations. The performances by David Carradine and Michael Madsen are downright hypnotic. Michael Parks, playing a Mexican pimp, combines disturbing sleaze with mesmerizing elegance in what’s hands down his finest performance. Daryl Hannah’s over the top and quirky character, with her color-coordinated eye patch and obsessive note-taking, deserves a movie of her own. And Gordon Lui’s hilarious portrayal of an archetypical Kung Fu master, Pei Mai, almost steals the show. Uma Thurman, however, achieves that feat.

Thurman’s performance is simply amazing. Tarantino developed the role expressly for her, and it shows. It’s so tailor-made it’s nearly impossible to imagine anyone else playing the part. And it had to be strenuous for her; in addition to the physicality of her role, she’s required to convey every emotion in the book. But what might have been her biggest challenge was to create a character the audience could root for, even sympathize with, despite her questionable ethics. Within the context of the Kill Bill universe, The Bride appears completely justified in killing damn near everyone. Yet the message we’re left with as we walk out of the theater is a surprisingly sweet one: There’s really no difference between being a mother and a hero.

Verdict: **** (4/4)

[Mike_Donis]

PaulK, your review reminds me how much I fucking loved that movie!

[PaulK]

Overall I think the story was lacking...

Check out QT's reason for doing a simple revenge story without fluffing it up into something it isn't in the KB2 DVD's documentary.

Even though the plot was simple -- a woman working down her death list -- when you think about it there's amazing depth and attention to detail. Someone with less imagination would have had trouble filling up 80 minutes. But QT had four hours of amazing stuff: An explanation of how The Bride became such a bad *ss, the origin of Oren Ishii (with the memorable anime), the Hatori Hanzo sequence, the incredible 20 minute Showdown at House of Blue Leaves, the goldfish/Clark Kent speeches, the motherhood theme... the list goes on and on. And look how The Bride develops. When we first see her she's a victim. In the flashbacks she's a love-struck girl. By the end of the film, she's totally confident and Bill's equal.

I've read some reviews where the film critic focused only on the simple plot and ignored all of the supporting themes and details. I doubt any of them would complain that Bergman's Wild Strawberries was *only* about an old man driving to pick up an honorary award or Kurosawa's Ikiru was *only* about a guy who realizes he has six months to live. ;)

[PaulK]

PaulK, your review reminds me how much I fucking loved that movie!

I'll take that as a compliment. Thank you very much. :)

[Phil]

This movie was much better the second time around, also viewing it in a whole, which I KNEW I should've in the first place...

I'm completely up with you with your review. At first I think I built it up into this HUGE ending in my head. With even more action and even more suspense...

I think the worst thing I did was post a review thinking about it as an individual movie and forgot it should be viewed as a whole...

Definitely 4/4 stars.

[J.R. Hudson]

This is weird.

I did not care for KILL BILL. To clarify, I am the Tarantino junkie; he is a God among filmmakers. I own RD, PF, JB and KB (and True Romance cause it reaks of QT).

I watched KILL BILL Volume 2 tonight and loved it. I was captivated. What happened? I have no idea. I have to go back and watch KILL BILL V1 now; was I in a certain state of mind that led me not to like it?

[PaulK]

Let us know when you figure it out. :)

Have you ever seen Who Killed Roger Rabbit? It has an ultraviolent cartoon intro. If you took that intro, extended it by another 90 minutes, cut it from the rest of the film, and released it separately nine months before the other half, then you would have had a relationship similar to what KB1 has with KB2. ;D

I liked 2 better too, mostly thanks to the zen performances , but 1 is still great.

[Phil]

If you took that intro, extended it by another 90 minutes, cut it from the rest of the film, and released it separately nine months before the other half...
and minus the rabbit in the oven, running around the kitchen...It's almost the exact same movie...weird... :D

Hey John, I was talking to a friend of mine, who was saying how amazing volume 2 was and how much he disliked volume 1...so I guess you're not alone...
and when I told him I hadn't seen 1 since opening night, he said that's probably why I wasn't into 2 as much the first time, compared to when I watched them together...it had been about a year!

[J.R. Hudson]

2 was definatley more character driven (as oppossed to non-stop sword fighting). I wonder if thats it?

[PaulK]

and minus the rabbit in the oven, running around the kitchen...It's almost the exact same movie...weird... :D

;D

[ian]

I was hugely disappointed with Vol 2, although it seems I may be the only here who feels that way. There are no real characters there to build up. Everyone is so cartoonish that I couldn't buy them for a moment and everything I dislike about QT caming shining through. He loves his own dialouge way too much. So much of Vol 2 was wasted breath to me. Vol 1 rules though. I took the movie as a homage to the pulp/hong kong/spagetti western charaters that are defined more by what they do than who they are. I even found in the first one that the emotion in the scene when she wakes up and finds her child taken from her was too real. It didn't jive with everything else. These people are near superheroes and I admired his balls in making a no apologies straight style over substance movie. Vol 2 just bored the hell out of me. Really how can you take any of the characters seriously? I couldn't anyway so it had no emotional through-line for me.

[Cheesesailor77]

i dont particularly like either. 1 is insulting and grotesque (my oppinion) and 2 is completely empty. Now if u get me going i can tell u about a whole bunch of aspects i find apealing about 2, but thats it, for 2 the parts are far greater than the sum.

The more i read it the more i agree that one 2 1/2 - 3 hour movie would be far superiour. And even those of u who like them, i think if tarantino made the whole thing 3 hours from the beginning, u'd agree.

oh and i should mention im in love with all of QT's previous works.

[J.R. Hudson]

I have to completely agree with that assessment. ONE FILM would be perfect.

[Phil]

I agree with your assessment also. I also agree with John's agreement on you assessment.

I also concur. :P

[J.R. Hudson]

I have to concur on your agreement to agree with our agreement and concurness. In fact, I share your exact sentiment on the concurness of concurring concurrently.

[Phil]

I'M NOT WORTHY...I'M NOT WORTHY... ;D you rock john i'm LMAO!!!

[J.R. Hudson]

:D

[J.R. Hudson]

Alright

I rewatched KILL BILL Volume One and came to the following conclusion:

QT is a fucking god. Although I prefer Voume 2 anyday over V1 I have to say "Wow." Watching them concurrently is perfect. Honestly. I maybe just didnt get it until I saw part 2 but WOW.

Tarantino might just be the ballsiest and most creative filmmaker alive right now.

All is good.

[Phil]

sooo much better together...he's GOTTA release a complete version...it would rock!!!

I have an idea...someone make a poll...we'll send it to him...when he sees all the votes...voila...mission accomplished. :D

What do you think?

[J.R. Hudson]

Do it. Do it. (Best Stiller imitation)

[Phil]

Seriously, once he sees all 16 votes for it...I mean, he'd HAVE to... ::)

[J.R. Hudson]

:D

One movie 3 and a half hours and its golden. Damn, is it wrong for me to have thing for Elle Driver, Gogo Yubari and O-Ren Ishii? At the same time I mean.

[Phil]

LOL

It would only be weird if you said:

"Damn, is it wrong for me to have thing for Elle Driver, Gogo Yubari and Pai Mei? At the same time I mean."

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/miramax_films/kill_bill__vol__2/gordon_liu/bill2.jpg

[J.R. Hudson]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D