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etrust
05-06-2010, 11:52 AM
Hi,

i want to shoot some music videos and maybe short films. I can read that 7d is nice. I like the shoots very much. I like DOF Effect very much.

1) I habe a budget of 4000 usd. which model would you suggest me?

2) And which assessoires?

3) Is 7d the newst or best model for filming?

John Froton
05-06-2010, 07:14 PM
7D would be better choice if you want rugged build and weatherproof body, otherwise you can choose a T2i and get practically the same video quality for a much lower price.

You would do well to go with a good wide angle f 2.8 lens like a Canon 17-55 or a Tamron 17-50 and also a good telephoto f 2.8 lens like a Sigma 70-200. Having two lenses like these, with constant apertures, will give you a good range to shoot with, from wide angle to telephoto close ups.

You would probably do well to also invest in a sound recorder, as the audio capabilities are vary consumer level and not built for pro usage.

Both the Canon 7D and T2i are great for cinematic video. Just be aware that they behave with the characteristics of still image DSLRs and not like your typical camcorders. It takes some getting used to shooting like a photographer in motion.

etrust
05-07-2010, 01:25 AM
Hi,

What would you choose:

Canon EOS 7D Kit EF-S 18-135mm 1:3.5-5.6 IS
Canon EOS 7D Kit mit EF-S 15-85mm 1:3,5-5,6 IS USM

Canon EF-S 18-55mm 3.5-5.6 IS
Canon EF-S 55-250mm 4-5.6 IS

cjwolff
05-07-2010, 01:34 AM
You dont want any of those variable aperture lens kits. Take John's advice and buy the body only with one of the fixed aperture lenses recommended on this board.

etrust
05-07-2010, 01:51 AM
Hi,

ok body only.

But John wrote variable lens: 17-55 or a Tamron 17-50 and also a good telephoto f 2.8 lens like a Sigma 70-200.

Are the lenses i wrote not ok?

ROCKMORE
05-07-2010, 02:57 AM
[quote=etrust;1983229]Hi,

i want to shoot some music videos and maybe short films. I can read that 7d is nice. I like the shoots very much. I like DOF Effect very much.

1) I habe a budget of 4000 usd. which model would you suggest me?

2) And which assessoires?

3) Is 7d the newst or best model for filming?[/quote

Get the 550D for half the price with same HD video. Within months or a year both 550D and 7D will become old news so spend the extra $800 you'll save with the 550D on lenses.
Don't buy any variable aperture lenses because the are nothing but trouble for video. It takes time to adjust aperture and focus every time you move the zoom and you will find your self missing shots while you are surfing the menu and pushing buttons. Get a good 2.8 constant aperture zoom lens that also holds focus through zooming. The Tokina 11-16 and 16-50 look good, or the 16-35 L 2.8 or 17-40 L f4.
Get a few fast primes to go with it and you will be all set. Your 4K should get you a nice kit.

etrust
05-07-2010, 03:06 AM
Hi,

ok constant apperture :=)

550d:
Canon EOS 550D + EF-S 18-135mm
Canon EOS 550D + EF-S 18-55mm IS


are they good lenses?What would you choose?

This kit cost here: 1000 usd in switzerland. Just 550d Body 860 USD

John Froton
05-07-2010, 04:31 AM
What we are saying is that you should consider a lens that has a single constant f stop, such as f 2.8, through the entire zoom range of the lens. Having a zoom lens is great and numbers such as 17-55 or 70-200 indicate the zoom range. However numbers such as f 3.5-5.6 indicate what is known as a floating aperture, meaning that the aperture (opening in which light enters the lens) changes as the lens is zoomed in or out. It is the two sets of numbers connected by a dash that you want to avoid ... such as f 4-5.6. When you see one single f stop number such as f 2.8 or f 4 listed on a lens, it means that it can maintain that aperture (level of exposure) throughout the whole zoom range.

The lenses with floating apertures cause a strobing/flickering effect as they zoom because the exposure is changing, and that is something that can be avoided by spending a little extra money on a constant aperture lens.

etrust
05-07-2010, 04:48 AM
ok understand thank you.

shi*.. in the package is this lens: Canon EOS 550D + EF-S 18-55mm IS

and I found out that f is: 1:3.5-5.6

:(

!!I have a Nikon 50mm. But I think that it's not possible to connect to a dslr canon..

John Froton
05-07-2010, 05:27 AM
You can still get excellent video out of the kit lens so it is not a major loss or anything. It just means that you won't be able to zoom in and out without quirks ruining the portion of the shot while you are zooming. Otherwise, once you get a fixed setting and you go with that, you will be fine.

The only other drawback is that higher f stop numbers mean less low light capability for shooting indoors in dim light or dusk/dawn and night shots. So, f 2.8 is better than f 4 and f4 is better than f 5.6 and so on, as far as having a lens that is capable of going to those f stops in low light. In bright light or daylight, however, the kit lens with it's higher f stops should work fantastically for video :)

etrust
05-07-2010, 05:40 AM
Hi,

ok understand. Wich parameter tells me if it is autofocus on canon 7d or 550d on the lens?

I can only allways find EF S but nothing about auto focus.

John Froton
05-07-2010, 05:48 AM
Typically the letters "AF" will indicate auto focus. Most lenses, such as the ones we have been discussing, will have AF.

Auto focusing is very useful for stills and I find it useful for establishing focus BEFORE shooting video (pressing the record button), but if you need to adjust focus while shooting video, you should do it manually with auto focus turned off (using a switch on the lens itself).

etrust
05-07-2010, 05:59 AM
ok.

sorry to make another nobe question.. I have analyse 30 lenses on canon side and i could not see a AF: http://de.canon.ch/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/EF_Lenses/Zoom_Lenses/index.asp

Is this feature hidden in the docs?

daveswan
05-07-2010, 06:13 AM
All Canon EF / EF-S lenses (Apart from the highly specialised MP-E) are AF.
Dave

etrust
05-07-2010, 07:30 AM
Hi,

if there is a big difference between consistant and variable appertures and i can get nicer shoots and image with a consistant apperture now i have to schoose:


Option 550D
-------------
Canon EOS 550D Body USD 859
Canon EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 IS USM USD 1'147
Sigma EX70-200 /2,8 DG APO HSM IF USD 1'000
---------
Total USD 3'006



Option 7d
-----------
Canon EOS 7D Body USD 1'805
Canon EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 IS USM USD 1'147
Sigma EX70-200 /2,8 DG APO HSM IF USD 1'000
---------
Total USD 3'952


1) What would you choose?
2) 70-200mm i need only for objects that are afar from me? If yes i could beginn only with the 17-55

Your Feedback is now very important for me before i will spend money. Please continue helping me.

John Froton
05-07-2010, 10:25 AM
I would say that you should go with the T2i if you dont need weatherproof and rugged build. You can get a battery grip for the T2i that makes it larger and a little easier to handle with big lenses on it.

As for lenses, yes the 70-200 would be more for shooting from longer distances, such as nature or wildlife videography.

The Canon 17-55 would make a great all around lens for general purpose close to mid range shots.

What lenses you choose really depends on what type of shooting you plan to do. If you could give an idea of what you plan on shooting, I could give more suggestions that would be specific for your situation.

etrust
05-07-2010, 10:54 AM
I LOVE THIS FORUM :)

Everybody help each oder!!!! GREAT!

ok back to the root..


I want to shoot music video clips. That's mean: close Ups, Long Shoots. Here my last 2 music clips:

I used a sony hdr-xr500 + Letus35 Mini + 50mm Canon lens 1.4f

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abEgK0jjacY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTLIjdWnTxY&feature=channel

And short films like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgFULJ5GGLk
He wrote here 50mm only. Could that be? So nice image with 7d!!

John Froton
05-07-2010, 11:23 AM
Nice work on the videos! Good songs as well.

I would think that the Canon EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 IS USM would serve you well for most of your needs.

If you get the T2i or 7D, just play with it for a few days and try different settings and watch your results. You will get to kknow the camera quickly that way.

Scott F
05-07-2010, 11:32 AM
The Canon 50mm 1.4 is a great portrait lens for the price. Works great with my t2i. I would recommend putting one in your kit whether you go with the t2i or 7D.

Nice work on the videos, what I've seen so far.

EDIT: whoops looks like you already have the 1.4, didn't pick up on that the 1st time I read it.

etrust
05-07-2010, 11:36 AM
thank you for your feedback of my work.

great ok i will spend 1'150 $ for the Canon EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 IS USM. Now i have "only" to choose the right model 7d or 550d. This is the most dificult part :(
I don't want to make a mistake and say a few month after.. shit i should have bought the other one :)

etrust
05-07-2010, 11:40 AM
oh we wrote at the same time deepfocus :)

are you talking about the standard lens that comes with the body
Canon EOS 550D + EF-S 18-55mm IS.

The problem is here that the apperture is variable. Or not?

EDIT: deepfocus, i have a nikon 50mm 1.4, but i think it's not possible atach on a canon :(

etrust
05-07-2010, 12:48 PM
Hi guys,

you know i have a canon 50mm 1.4. I found out, that there is a adapter "kawa adapter":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKrVkgqXiag

Would this be a solution for me?

etrust
05-09-2010, 09:33 AM
You would do well to go with a good wide angle f 2.8 lens like a Canon 17-55 or a Tamron 17-50 and also a good telephoto f 2.8 lens like a Sigma 70-200. Having two lenses like these, with constant apertures, will give you a good range to shoot with, from wide angle to telephoto close ups.

Hi, somebody wrote here that the sigma 70-200 is crappy. Is that true??? If yes should i buy a canon lens? Please help

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=209756

etrust
05-09-2010, 10:05 AM
If is really true that the 550d has same video quality and options like shutter speed, formats, etc. then i think that i buy the 550 because is cheaper and invest on the canon lens:

550d body: 858 $
Canon EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 IS USM 1147 $
Canon EF 70-200 mm f/2.8 L USM 1500 $

Ian-T
05-09-2010, 10:15 AM
If is really true that the 550d has same video quality and options like shutter speed, formats, etc. then i think that i buy the 550 because is cheaper and invest on the canon lens:


I think that's a smart move. The trendiest cameras will always come and go but the lens you invest in today can last you for a lifetime. So shop smart.

etrust
05-09-2010, 10:28 AM
ok, i will take the 550d. This lens: Canon EF 70-200 mm f/2.8 L USM 1500 $

is not IS. Is this a problem for movies?

John Froton
05-10-2010, 07:06 AM
as long as you are prepared to use a tripod, or other similar stabilizing supoort, using non IS is fine. In fact , if you have IS, you will want to turn it off when being on a tripod.

Now, that being said, if you ever plan on shootiing with the camera being only hand held, you should try and get IS if you can afford it.

ROCKMORE
05-10-2010, 07:11 AM
thank you for your feedback of my work.

great ok i will spend 1'150 $ for the Canon EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 IS USM. Now i have "only" to choose the right model 7d or 550d. This is the most dificult part :(
I don't want to make a mistake and say a few month after.. shi* i should have bought the other one :)

If you have extra cash you may consider getting 2 550D's for the same price as one 7D. If you are shooting live music 2 cameras will be much better than one for seamless cutaways. Also with the heating issue which is real you can alternate bodies when needed

etrust
05-10-2010, 07:15 AM
This could be a great solution yes!

I found a page with a good price, but i don't know if i could trust them: http://www.digitsys.net

Could you or somebody help?

Dave
05-10-2010, 09:04 AM
Just for reference, I have a 5D and used only a 24-70 2.8 L for a long time. I've since purchased more lenses but...

...translation...

I think that if you get either the 550D or the 7D, you can probably just buy the Canon 17-55 2.8 IS now and be just fine! Then, after you figure out what shots you can't get with that camera/lens, go out and buy another lens.

You get one great lens and still have money later to expand your options. And you might just find that the lens you need/want is at the other end (11-16 rather than 70-200).

docrock
05-12-2010, 05:24 PM
Hi Etrust...

I hate to throw a wrench in to your thread...but your work is Great! Very nicely done...and, IMO, you'd benefit MORE from investing in a nice, pre-owned HVX or HPX...around 3k with a P2 card, then use the extra thousand to pick up the 550/T2i+18-55 kit lens to fart around with in decent light.

I agree with ALL the posters in this thread that glass is your most important weapon...However, jumping in to DSLR shooting with ONLY a body and glass is a struggle at best...at worst, it's a nightmare! You must factor in stabilization (Tripod, body support....monopod, et al.), sound recording (especially since you are focusing on music and music videos), lighting....are you all set up for Post Production with these files? I'm sure you see where I'm going...

I've been using the 5d2 for almost two years now....and about 9 months with the 7d...and I would NEVER show up at one of my shots without one of my video cameras....yet:) I love my DSLRs, don't get me wrong...it's just the limitations and ammenities you give up when your forgo a pro or prosumer video camera and opt for only a DSLR.

YMMV, for sure...many are using them and quite successfully...but I'll be honest...I bought my 5d2 and 24-105....only to have to spend another 4 grand, eventually, to be comfortable shooting, focusing, and getting a stable shot with good sound on my DSLR. Again, your mileage may vary, and times have changed since I first bought my 5d2...many more third party companies are jumping on the bandwagon and building nice accessories...however, There is a viable reason Zacuto and RedRock cost money....there products are outstanding, and built to withstand the rigors of shooting.

...again, just another thought....and it still gets you a DSLR. Maybe even a second hand DVX, but of course, that would be shooting SD. Just seems to me you have some talent (from seeing your work), and I know the frustrations that come in to play when having to rely on just a DSLR for the shot.

Good Luck

J