View Full Version : FIGHT CLUB- WHY THE HYPE?
04-09-2004, 04:04 PM
Is it really a film that will go down with Citizen Kane, 2001, The Godfather, Star Wars? Is it really that groundbreaking? Should it even be comparable to such great films?
04-09-2004, 04:12 PM
Right now I'm wondering how many personalities one person needs :o
04-09-2004, 04:14 PM
Is that some sort of quandry?
04-09-2004, 04:21 PM
A quandary? Nah.
More of an enigma.
How far is Wales from Austria? Can you dig it?
04-09-2004, 04:25 PM
How far is the earth from the moon? Buddy I can dig that. Crazy!
04-09-2004, 04:33 PM
I'm your Huckleberry.
04-09-2004, 04:35 PM
And why is that?
04-09-2004, 04:36 PM
You're a daisy if you do.
04-09-2004, 04:45 PM
If I do what? Are you...?
04-09-2004, 04:45 PM
One of the kick ass great performances by an actor.
04-09-2004, 04:48 PM
Why Ike, whatever do you mean? I know, let's have a spelling contest!
His best performance, I think.
04-09-2004, 04:56 PM
04-09-2004, 04:59 PM
Did you see him laughing at IKE when he said that? Classic.
"You're all a bunch of Pimps!"
04-09-2004, 05:00 PM
Yes, but there's just something About him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me Of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I Hate him.
04-09-2004, 05:07 PM
04-09-2004, 05:10 PM
"Why, Johnny Tyler. Where you goin' with that shotgun? . . . Oh, Johnny, forgive me, I forgot you were there. You may go now"
04-09-2004, 05:29 PM
You gonna do somethin'? Or are you just gonna stand there and bleed?
04-09-2004, 05:29 PM
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
04-09-2004, 05:31 PM
"Yes, it's true. You have been a good woman to me. But then again, you may be the anti-christ."
04-09-2004, 09:11 PM
Man. Great fun that film. Underrated I think and really popular with everyone. I thought Val would move on from there....
04-09-2004, 09:21 PM
"Smell that? Smells like someone died."
(OK, I know it's not Val's line, but it reminded me of the original topic of this thread.)
04-09-2004, 09:26 PM
No worries! Another great line.
Whatever happended to Michael Bien? HAs this dude gotten no respect at all from the industry?
Why is he doing stupid shit now?
04-09-2004, 11:07 PM
I love the line when Billy Zane steps off of the stagecoach and Sam Elliot says:
"What the hell kind o' town is this?"
Michael Biehn is getting a little old to play his stereotypical Navy Seal type of character. But he's still in around 3 or 4 pictures a year, not big blockbusters, but hey, he's a working actor. 8)
A buddy of mine just got a part in a feature by Seth Landau (Martin's nephew). He films for 2 weeks in Arizona. Pretty cool.
04-09-2004, 11:23 PM
That is cool.
Youre right M Biehn is still cool and working! (Im sure he's crying doing straight to vodeo stuff). Shit, I like Billy Zane too! He was perfectly cast in Titanic.
04-10-2004, 07:15 AM
Biehn was in that kiddie time-stoppers movie as the bad guy.
04-10-2004, 07:32 AM
Hey, wasn't this supposed to be about Fight Club? lol....
Personally, I think that movie was brilliant. Unbelievably flawless script. I think it was vastly improperly marketed because that movie should have done the numbers that the 6th sense did. Instead it was a flop at the box office. I blame this on marketing and moron’s like Rosie O’Donnel making disparaging comments about it without actually having seen the movie. She just assumed the story was about the fighting and violence because of the crappy marketing campaign. If I ever get my project sold, I hope I’ll have a voice somewhere in it to make sure marketing doesn’t drop the ball like they do on most films of late. Can you say “Confidence”? Another brilliant script and film ruined by bad marketing. ...sigh...
04-10-2004, 12:06 PM
There's so much I could say about this film that... I prefer not. My uncotrollable lengthytite is already a pain in the ass for everybody (by the way, thank you for standing my logorrhea with such a stoic dignity, I appreciate), but if I start on the Fight Club topic, Dostoïevski will soon be considered as a short story writer.
I'll try to make it supershort. Two points :
1/ Fight Club is the only film of my adult life (above 20) which has truly changed my vision of the world.
2/ You Tylerists should urgently read the novel it was adapted from by Chuck Palahniuk (same title) as well as his other books : "Survivor", "Choke", and my favourite : "Invisible Monsters". I think Chuck's the new Rabelais, in a post-punk american version. I don't usually find the time to read as much as I should, but this guy sure makes me quit TV, DVD's, DVXuser.com or any other activity intended to distract myself from my real life and the painful metaphysical questions it triggers.
04-10-2004, 12:13 PM
The metaphysical questions don't have to be painful.
04-10-2004, 12:34 PM
Yeah... like migraines : they would be so much more pleasant without that damned headache.
04-10-2004, 01:31 PM
Rule number one is: You Don't Talk About Fight Club.
When "Palerider" was in here yesterday chalking up 36 posts in ~2 hours, much of what he had to say was antagonistic folly. And when he posted this antagonistic thread about "Fight Club," no one chose to take the bait. Personally, I saw no reason to defend a film that doesn't need defending. Plus, I love quoting Kilmer as Holliday.:)
Like Anartiste, I could write pages about the film/book. But there's no reason to. In essence, to me, Fight Club is an exploration into the fundamental dualistic characteristics of man and society e.g. what he is vs. what he was meant to be, who he is vs. who he wants to be or should be or could be, the direction in which society is going vs. where it should go, what society is doing to man vs. what man should do to/with/in society, etc. It's about living your life as opposed to sleepwalking through the lie of some well-trodden, safe, conventional path that leads to nowhere and kills your dreams and passions. It's about having an original thought as opposed to regurgitating bullsh1t your entire life. It's about the fall of man where we are, both in the beginning and eternally, the devil. But, we are the devil by choice, because on some level we know what we should do, yet we don't do it; we choose not to be angels.
If you haven't read the book, please read it. And read all of Palahniuk's stuff while your at it.
Anartiste, I don't know anything about Rabelais. Maybe I'll check him out.
The Big Cheesebread
The Big Moosie
. . . Bob had bitch tits
04-10-2004, 03:32 PM
Oh ! And shit ! I can't resist to add one thing :
When he's got a nasty disturbing subject to film, The Finch is a giant.
There's a scene in the middle of the film, when Jack (the character has no official name, but Jack will do it) is trying to be nice with Marla. They're at the verge of really communicating at last. And Tyler is downstairs in the basement, setting the dormitory for the army to settle soon. You remember that scene ?
If you don't, watch it, it's one of the most subtle pivotal scenes I've ever watched. There's everything here : subtext, irony, great acting... and an amazing mise en scène, very humble, hidden behind a sitcomish camera setting.
I've watched Fight Club a dozen times, and it's the scene I end up loving the most.
Too much talking about this masterpiece would only be mediocre paraphrasing, so this is my last post on this topic. If you didn't like it, my litterature won't make you change your mind ; if you loved it , it will not add to the emotion you had.
End of transmission.
04-10-2004, 08:54 PM
Hmmmm. Well, I know what DVD I'm renting next.
04-11-2004, 07:18 AM
Hmmmm. *Well, I know what DVD I'm renting next.
I don't rent -- I buy! :)
04-11-2004, 12:59 PM
Good point. If its that good, then its worth owning. ;)
04-11-2004, 01:19 PM
Renting is getting to so expensive that it makes sense to buy all the time.
04-11-2004, 01:26 PM
I rent from Netflix, and have no complaints. It's a great service. There are lots of movies that I want to see but not necessarily have in my DVD collection.
"Fight Club" is definitely worth owning though. The special features are very cool, not the least of which is the entire collection of storyboards used to make the film.
04-11-2004, 01:27 PM
I just can't plan that far ahead to rent a movie. :-/
04-11-2004, 01:42 PM
Yeah, I sometimes run out to Blockbuster to satisfy an immediate "need" to see a new release but not that often. The key things about Netflix for me is "no late fees" and "no need to take time out going to the rental place;" I find it virtually impossible to return a movie on time and usually end up owing Blockbuster ridiculous late fees. I have around 55 movies in my Netflix queue waiting to be sent to me. I have a constant stream of movies moving through my house.
04-11-2004, 01:48 PM
I usually just buy a disc if I want to watch the movie. If it's a clunker, I'll unload it somewhere. Most of time it works out, though.
I'll rent if there's a movie I want to see that I know I don't want to own (such as Matrix Revolutions, which I just watched for the first time last night).
04-11-2004, 01:55 PM
I want to see "Matrix : Revolutions" to see how they end it. I think that it's a cool concept, but I've never been a huge fan of the whole "Matrix" thing. The second film, "Reloaded," was horrible.
What did you think of "Revolutions?"
04-11-2004, 03:16 PM
They should have just the left the first one be (as can be said about SOOOO many movies).
Reloaded *was* awful.
That being said, "Revolutions" is better.
04-11-2004, 08:18 PM
You just summed it up (The Matrix)
I know I'm joinging this waaay late, I missed the 66.225.229 email...
But I love Fight Club, I have it on special edition DVD (which is worth every dime) I've studied this film and have watched it nearly 1000 times, its great just to listen to...
I never saw it as anything violent or what all the hype was about.
I saw it as a brilliant film and amazing story...
Since then I've read all his books, something about "Survivor" is amazing beyond words...
But I was in college taking classes in Digital Animation teaching myself programs like crazy...when I saw this...
The "down the barrel intro", The shots through walls, and coming out of the trash can...blew my mind...
Quentin Tarantino, Kevin Smith, and Fight Club finalized my path to becoming a filmmaker...
09-10-2004, 11:20 AM
Haha..I was about to start a new thead on Fight Club until I saw this one so sorry if this topic is a little old....
I saw this movie awhile ago and liked it a lot...and then just recently watched it again and man do I love it. Edward Norton is the coolest SOB ever.
This movie was so well made. I just went out and bought the book "Choke" which is by the same guy who wrote fight club...I hope its good..so far it is.
09-10-2004, 11:52 AM
I'm constantly surprised at how many visual effects there are in Fight Club, but the film is packed with CG. It just fits so seamlessly into the presentation and supports the story so well that you don't really even notice that you're watching a bunch of effects.
After reading the book, I really think it's one of the best adaptations of a book ever.
09-10-2004, 12:00 PM
worker bees can leave
even drones can fly away
the queen is their slave
09-10-2004, 02:33 PM
WHAAAAAAAAAAA! Why is PaleRider using my absolutly awesome... slightly erotic AVATAR! CHANGE IT BEFORE I'M FORCED TO!
ok what? OH yeah, Fight Club's my favorite movie of all time, and Fincher's my favorite director.
just to make it clear, im not saying best movie or director, I'm saying by far my favorite.
Also, out of curiosity, how many ppl here are almost ashamed to say I LOVE FIGHT CLUB! in public since it's also a favorite of 16 year old boys? I mean whenever i bring it up there's always some kid who goes 'YEAH MAN I LOVE THAT MOVIE! I've seen it like 8 times and me and my friends started our OWN FIGHT CLUB! YEAH!'
ok, not only is that kid lying, but its like Did u even SEE the movie??? The whole point was that Tyler's whole plan was BULLSHIT! We men are so fucking defensive of our own masculenity (sp?) that Tyler's shit SEEMS to make a lot of sense... BUT IT DOESN'T! it just ruined lives and broke bones! GOD DAMN! It's shit like those kids that make even ME believe that i was wrong and indeed most ppl in general, let alone a 16 year old simply can't handle this type of art, I mean even when the script spells it out for u!
ok sry, just wanted to throw that out there...
09-10-2004, 08:10 PM
Why Ike, whatever do you mean? I know, let's have a spelling contest!
The book is so awesome. I think that the way they get the fat for the soap is so much worse in the book
Anyways, great movie. My personal favorite.