GH1 firmware research volunteers required

[Isaac_Brody]

mjpeg?

+1. With movement.

[g.l]

Please do not disturb tester13 for GH1 synchro cable design. He has more important work.

If you want synchro starting two cameras this scheme for you.

Thanks, but it doesn't sync video tightly enough - or do you have different info? And nobody is disturbing him, he has shown interest in figuring out button scanning for 3D shooting and I was telling him that it's not needed for triggering, but another solution for video is.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Thanks, but it doesn't sync video tightly enough - or do you have different info? And nobody is disturbing him, he has shown interest in figuring out button scanning for 3D shooting and I was telling him that it's not needed for triggering, but another solution for video is.

I believe without experients it is impossible to say if it works good enought or not.
And 3D sync is a good target :-)

[panystac]

Panystac.


Perhaps you can find a picture of the GH1 Audio P.C.B. for Tester.

Part number is VEP54012A

He was looking for this way back.
Thanks.

Ok, I'll try. Looks tough though.

[NURBS]

Hello Guys'

Yes 3D shoot in synchro it's nice deal. But it's possible build by very simple scheme. If you have little unsynchro, You can repair it on your NLE.

PS: By scheme (like above) i'm did build synchro remote for Sony M10 and GH1. And had nice results. ;-)

Regards
NURBS

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hello Guys'

Yes 3D shoot in synchro it's nice deal. But it's possible build by very simple scheme. If you have little unsynchro, You can repair it on your NLE.

PS: By scheme (like above) i'm did build synchro remote for Sony M10 and GH1. And had nice results. ;-)



I have doubts about this.
Problem is not in the entire frame unsync, but rather that each sensor start to read frame in different time. And it is impossible to fix in post.

[Car3o]

okay. i'll upload a 1080p 24p file and mjpeg of traffic driving by. give me till midnight tonight. at work right now. can't do much but tell you i'll do it.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Important request

I need someone to write small descriptions for each of patches currently available (for GF1, G1, GH1 v1.22 and GH1 1.32).
They must be not very short, but not long.
Consequences and limitations must be also present (like camera freezing 24p native movies).
They'll be seen at special popup hint box displayed at the righ to patches list.
Formatting - simple html possible (bold, underline, links etc).
Use words "info!", "warning!","movie link!" to make me replace them by icons.

[greige]

Yeah, it definitely happened during one of my button pressing experiments while in that diagnostic mode.

After a bit of google research & some random button mashing, seems you can activate the "ROM BACKUP" menu by switching on the camera while holding down DISPLAY + AE/AF LOCK (GF1) or DISPLAY + FILM MODE (G1/GH1?). The camera must also be set to "single shot" mode (not motor-wind, exposure bracketing, &c.) for this to work. The new menu item will then appear in the setting menu until the camera is switched off again.

I'm kinda interested in this mode because it should allow snapshots of the camera's setup, right?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I'm kinda interested in this mode because it should allow snapshots of the camera's setup, right?

It is calibration and other low level settings.
Used for replacing main board.

[greige]

It is calibration and other low level settings.

Not so useful for me then, but hopeful the info will help someone else.

(Had been hoping it'd work a little like "save/load settings" on Nikons/Canons)

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Not so useful for me then, but hopeful the info will help someone else.

Main good thing here is that we can replace main board if we'll brick GH1 body (we hope not to do it, but who knows).

[Car3o]

going to go shoot raw footage now. will post in half hour.

[Path]

After a bit of google research & some random button mashing, seems you can activate the "ROM BACKUP" menu by switching on the camera while holding down DISPLAY + AE/AF LOCK (GF1) or DISPLAY + FILM MODE (G1/GH1?). The camera must also be set to "single shot" mode (not motor-wind, exposure bracketing, &c.) for this to work. The new menu item will then appear in the setting menu until the camera is switched off again.

I'm kinda interested in this mode because it should allow snapshots of the camera's setup, right?

I found several ninja button tricks. I know for sure that there are at least 3 levels of service modes, possibly achieved in succession. The first uses the steps provided previously. The 2nd is some similar combination but adds the play button. After this point, when you turn off the camera you get a yellow triangle with a "!" in it. Once you are in this mode you can always get to the counter menu without holding display and film mode. Be warned though, the only way to get out of this mode is to do the initial settings procedure (page 13 of the service manual).

Most interesting is the last one I found which is absolutely crazy. I have no idea how I got there, but it displayed roughly 18 options which looked to be functions of some sort. They were all 3 letters long, and I know one was "ISO" but don't recall the others. Beside each was an "F". I could navigate to each of them and when pressing another button (i think it was either the display or trash button) the "F" would change to an "O". After this the menu or display button would take me to that function's parameters. For example, if I changed the ISO to "O" I could get to those parameters. I didn't attempt to mess with any of them, as there were groups of numbers all over the place and I had no idea what was going on. I wish I had taken a picture cause I can't get back to it now.

I think I played too many video games as a kid...uu dd lr lr ba start

P.S. I also saw that the "! > LUMIX" option in the ROM BACKUP menu is only active in some of these modes, and I never figured out what it does...

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Most interesting is the last one I found which is absolutely crazy. I have no idea how I got there, but it displayed roughly 18 options which looked to be functions of some sort. They were all 3 letters long, and I know one was "ISO" but don't recall the others. Beside each was an "F". I could navigate to each of them and when pressing another button (i think it was either the display or trash button) the "F" would change to an "O". After this the menu or display button would take me to that function's parameters. For example, if I changed the ISO to "O" I could get to those parameters. I didn't attempt to mess with any of them, as there were groups of numbers all over the place and I had no idea what was going on. I wish I had taken a picture cause I can't get back to it now.


Here is complete list of this items.
EVF KEY OIS BF SHT ISO WBL WBH LIN STB LED COL WKI DUW DUT BKI RES THE CLK SEN TNO WFC MAC IND TRA AF IRT IRZ RESET RS2 EST KY2 LCD PWK --- SWF BBC FBC AFS AES AFA SEP AEP OVF IR1 WBM IR2 DST RE2 RE3 RE4 AGE LAF EYE OUT PZM EMC MOV PLY

It is very interesting to know how to get to this list.
As normally such debug things are especiall useful for reversing.

[Car3o]

Gonna pull the links in 24 hrs. Get them while they're hot.

http://www.bokehfilms.com/Gh1

[Path]

Here is complete list of this items.
EVF KEY OIS BF SHT ISO WBL WBH LIN STB LED COL WKI DUW DUT BKI RES THE CLK SEN TNO WFC MAC IND TRA AF IRT IRZ RESET RS2 EST KY2 LCD PWK --- SWF BBC FBC AFS AES AFA SEP AEP OVF IR1 WBM IR2 DST RE2 RE3 RE4 AGE LAF EYE OUT PZM EMC MOV PLY

It is very interesting to know how to get to this list.
As normally such debug things are especiall useful for reversing.

That's exactly the list! I've tried to get back to it, but I know it must have been a lucky guess. I'm afraid it may have been so many steps that even if I found it again I still wouldn't know how I did it.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

That's exactly the list! I've tried to get back to it, but I know it must have been a lucky guess. I'm afraid it may have been so many steps that even if I found it again I still wouldn't know how I did it.

I don't think it is so many steps.
Just take paper and write any key combinations you press.
And observe the result.
I really think it can be useful as it allow us to look at key codes, and many other things.
Remember to make ROM BACKUP first, before using this menus.

[Isaac_Brody]

Gonna pull the links in 24 hrs. Get them while they're hot.

http://www.bokehfilms.com/Gh1


Mjpeg still has the 1-2-3-JUMP cadence.

The 24P native stuff looks perfect. Nice, no more pulldown removal. :thumbup::thumbup:

[Sean Jeong]

Soooo..... just a quick question... I've been skimming through the posts but I don't really want to sort through the 129 pages. Just want to know if the hack tool has been released? Seems as if it is but can't find a link of sorts for the download.

[slyn4ice]

Soooo..... just a quick question... I've been skimming through the posts but I don't really want to sort through the 129 pages. Just want to know if the hack tool has been released? Seems as if it is but can't find a link of sorts for the download.

first page, first post ...

[x_WOrPIG_x]

Soooo..... just a quick question... I've been skimming through the posts but I don't really want to sort through the 129 pages. Just want to know if the hack tool has been released? Seems as if it is but can't find a link of sorts for the download.

Everything can be found on the first page of this thread.

[panystac]

Important request

I need someone to write small descriptions for each of patches currently available (for GF1, G1, GH1 v1.22 and GH1 1.32).
They must be not very short, but not long.
Consequences and limitations must be also present (like camera freezing 24p native movies).
They'll be seen at special popup hint box displayed at the righ to patches list.
Formatting - simple html possible (bold, underline, links etc).
Use words "info!", "warning!","movie link!" to make me replace them by icons.

I could do the ones for the G1 and GF1 Language change. Would I just post them in here?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I could do the ones for the G1 and GF1 Language change. Would I just post them in here?

Please note that language patch will change in next version, see preview screenshot in previous pages. It'll allow to select any language, not English only.
And better make simple html file and give me link in PM.

[e-steve]

That's exactly the list! I've tried to get back to it, but I know it must have been a lucky guess. I'm afraid it may have been so many steps that even if I found it again I still wouldn't know how I did it.

Not sure if you're spending a lot of time trying button combinations but maybe you could just film yourself with a flip camera or any cheap video camera next time you are going to try it. That way you can watch what you did just prior to unlocking it. You can always just delete the videos that don't amount to anything.

Also, one getting into these service modes, you should definitely try to take some pictures of it... even if you might only have a camera phone. Could be useful!

[g.l]

I have doubts about this.
Problem is not in the entire frame unsync, but rather that each sensor start to read frame in different time. And it is impossible to fix in post.

Exactly.

NURBS, does the release cable trigger video recording too? If yes, and if you have two GH1 bodies, can you test recording 10 short video clips? Both cameras should record the same scene, something fast moving (dripping/squirting water, spinning objects, moving cars, that kind of thing). We can then see how close the sync actually is (and how consistent it is across clips).


Remember to make ROM BACKUP first, before using this menus.

Everyone who tries out firmware mods should do this! If any settings get messed up there (either by a future mod or by accidentally messing with the debug screens) you could screw up your camera permanently!

Calibration values for all sorts of things are set at the factory, and are usually unique to each camera. They cannot be restored if they get messed up unless you have a backup.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Everyone who tries out firmware mods should do this! If any settings get messed up there (either by a future mod or by accidentally messing with the debug screens) you could screw up your camera permanently!

Calibration values for all sorts of things are set at the factory, and are usually unique to each camera. They cannot be restored if they get messed up unless you have a backup.

I completely not agree here.
None of the patches released touch any settings (and they reside in EEPROM and can't be accidently modified).
And damaging your camera using these service mode functions is about 1000x times more probable (press accidently wrong keys and some can be changed or ressetted, noone knows that exactly). This is why I asked to make backup.
Best thing is to keep all this service info outside user hands.

[g.l]

I completely not agree here.
None of the patches released touch any settings (and they reside in EEPROM and can't be accidently modified).
And damaging your camera using these service mode functions is about 1000x times more probable (press accidently wrong keys and some can be changed or ressetted, noone knows that exactly). This is why I asked to make backup.
Best thing is to keep all this service info outside user hands.

Tester I agree, but it's always possible to make a mistake somewhere, or overlook some way the firmware interacts with those values - it only has to happen once. As the backup option exists, everyone should use it just in case.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Tester I agree, but it's always possible to make a mistake somewhere, or overlook some way the firmware interacts with those values - it only has to happen once. As the backup option exists, everyone should use it just in case.

I have some expirience with such things :-)
And believe me, ordinary users and service mode functions make quite explosive combinations. And many dead bodies.
If many people managed to brick LG TVs themselfs (and these things are almost impossible to brick by design), I can only imagine how many GH1 will be dead.

[g.l]

I have some expirience with such things :-)
And believe me, ordinary users and service mode functions make quite explosive combinations. And many dead bodies.

Sure, I'm not saying ordinary users should do this, but the hardcore testers in this thread should do a backup (and then leave service mode alone : ). If someone can write very precise steps to do the ROM BACKUP, that would be great.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Sure, I'm not saying ordinary users should do this, but the hardcore testers in this thread should do a backup (and then leave service mode alone : ). If someone can write very precise steps to do the ROM BACKUP, that would be great.

We already have instructions on previous pages (how to go to this mode and that ROM BACKUP is doing), they are quite good.

[eiway]

Is the part of firmware V3.22 about Chinese language Interface done yet?
I am a GF1 user in Taiwan,GF1 is popular camera in this place.So most user is concerned the Chineses language firmware could be release.
Hope the new firmware release time be as soon as possible.Thank a lot of everybody and firmware research and programming!

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Is the part of firmware V3.22 about Chinese language Interface done yet?
I am a GF1 user in Taiwan,GF1 is popular camera in this place.So most user is concerned the Chineses language firmware could be release.
Hope the new firmware release time be as soon as possible.Thank a lot of everybody and firmware research and programming!

Yes and no. At first Chinese will be available under number, as I can't identify it among Korean, etc.

Release will be available after two things happen:
1) Hints to each patch will be ready and sent to me.
2) We'll get G1 body.

[alignment1]

Gonna pull the links in 24 hrs. Get them while they're hot.

http://www.bokehfilms.com/Gh1
24p MTS file looks good!! nice job....not so wild about freezing cam on playback though. Car3o, did you say that if you playback on cam it locks you out of cam so you have to pull battery, or just that playback only shows you a thumbnail??

[billy fattey]

24p MTS file looks good!! nice job....not so wild about freezing cam on playback though. Car3o, did you say that if you playback on cam it locks you out of cam so you have to pull battery, or just that playback only shows you a thumbnail??

Playback locks the camera so you have to pull battery.

[outbreaker]

Tester13.

Could you add a language "KOREAN" for next version please ?

[svecher]

24p MTS file looks good!!
Anybody else seeing these artifacts? Or is this the infamous "normal" mud?

http://img249.yfrog.com/img249/4651/avchd24partifacts.jpg

[tyampel]

Tester13.

Could you add a language "KOREAN" for next version please ?
Which one - North or South?
Just kidding.
The communists in China simplified the language by reducing quite a number of glyphs. That is why they use the "simplified" version as opposed to "traditional".
In Germany they also are simplifying the alphabet. Now the Sharp S is out.
Same deal with commies in Russia.

It looks like Korean is present in the language set.
Tester 13 will just need to figure out how to tell it apart from the two Chinese vesrions and Japanese one.

[sammysammy]

That file looks good in sony vegas, i just played it back

[gimmeluck]

Playback locks the camera so you have to pull battery.

AVCHD 24p.MTS (http://www.bokehfilms.com/Gh1/AVCHD%2024p.MTS) looks good, cant notice any frame drop in every 4 frame. plus 10mbps-data per frame is very high. amazing work going on. cant comment about wuality, because we dont know about light conditions and so iso setting.

But the mjpeg is dropping 1 frame and it can be understandable easily even without slow playback.

About playback in camera, if there is normal format videos or photos also in my sdcard, can i check them without lock problem? (without previewing 24p video in the same sdcard)

@svecher
no problem like that,maybe because of your h264 filter ? (whatever ur vlc player uses)
i tried Mpc by ffdshow,its ok.

[Tameside]

Am I missing something, 10mbps seems low?

[alignment1]

Anybody else seeing these artifacts? Or is this the infamous "normal" mud?


I'm not seeing this at all-that is not mud, that is definitely a playback issue on your end. I viewed in Clipwrap- plays just fine.

What are you using to view the .MTS file??

[kiguar]

he use vlc, you can see from screenshot, and that is the reason for mud

[Tameside]

The video plays very well, but I thought this was due to the low bit rate? for 24p its very very good

[svecher]

AVCHD 24p.MTS (http://www.bokehfilms.com/Gh1/AVCHD%2024p.MTS) @svecher
no problem like that,maybe because of your h264 filter ? (whatever ur vlc player uses) i tried Mpc by ffdshow,its ok.


I'm not seeing this at all-that is not mud, that is definitely a playback issue on your end. I viewed in Clipwrap- plays just fine.
What are you using to view the .MTS file??


he use vlc, you can see from screenshot, and that is the reason for mud

You guys are all right, this is definately a playback issue on my end because I was using VLC (with whatever H264 filter installed by default). I installed latest ffdshow release and clips playback fine through Windows Media Player 9 (on XP). I tried both ffmpeg-mt and libavcodec as decoders for H.264/AVC in Video decoder config for ffdshow.

FWIW, no such issues are seen in VLC on demo clips produced by NEX5. Thanks again for pointers in the right direction!

[Car3o]

Camera playback on .mts files will freeze the camera. i think it may freeze even if there's a thumbnail. i have to test that to find out.

the playback issue you have is an avchd problem. it's not in the file. i've run it through windows media player/vlc player and it's fine, however when i put it on a premiere time line it'll get funky, the way your video looked. even before this patch, avchd files are hell to play. this actually helped out, because before without pulldown, vlc player wouldn't play the clips.

settings were for both clips:
ISO 400
Lens 28mm 2.0
1/50 sec

[abasfly]

(I don't think that this has been mentioned before)
but could it be possible to alter a picture profile nostalgic or other to bring down the contrast and/or the sharpness to -4 for example, to alter the setting searching for the greatest latitude?

[hunter richards]

(I don't think that this has been mentioned before)
but could it be possible to alter a picture profile nostalgic or other to bring down the contrast and/or the sharpness to -4 for example, to alter the setting searching for the greatest latitude?

Thats a great idea. I wonder if it would be possible to make custom gamma adjustments like this as there is a great amount of details in the shadows and highlights that just gets compressed out in video mode.

[philiplipetz]

Thats a great idea. I wonder if it would be possible to make custom gamma adjustments like this as there is a great amount of details in the shadows and highlights that just gets compressed out in video mode.

Guys, this is not a blank slate project where we can do whatever we want. The firmware only will allow certain adjustments. The limits of these adjustments are being probed by Tester13. What he finds will determine what we can do. Until then any requests are not based on reality.

[hunter richards]

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[gimmeluck]

Am I missing something, 10mbps seems low?
yep.
check it accoding kbit per frames, its 24p video.
not 60p.

[Isaac_Brody]

Guys, this is not a blank slate project where we can do whatever we want. The firmware only will allow certain adjustments. The limits of these adjustments are being probed by Tester13. What he finds will determine what we can do. Until then any requests are not based on reality.

It's still a good idea, doesn't hurt for Tester to hear these ideas once he has the camera in his hands.


The video plays very well, but I thought this was due to the low bit rate? for 24p its very very good


I also wondered about this. So we can get native 24P, but at the expense of bitrate? Is this something that won't change or might change with more experimentation and a camera in hands?

[panystac]

Tester13.

Could you add a language "KOREAN" for next version please ?



The communists in China simplified the language by reducing quite a number of glyphs. That is why they use the "simplified" version as opposed to "traditional".
In Germany they also are simplifying the alphabet. Now the Sharp S is out.
Same deal with commies in Russia.

It looks like Korean is present in the language set.
Tester 13 will just need to figure out how to tell it apart from the two Chinese versions and Japanese one.

I live in Japan at the moment, and some of the Chinese and Japanese characters are the same, but Japanese also has two phonetic scripts.

However, Korean is quite different. There are a lot of "circles" in Korean.

e.g. the English saying "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" uses ALL the letters in the English alphabet. Translated it looks like:

Simplified Chinese:
快速对棕色狐狸跳过懒惰狗

Japanese:
怠惰な犬を速い茶色のキツネジャンプ
(the Japanese has one Chinese style character that's the same as the Chinese translation, plus some Japanese phonetic characters. (The simple ones on the right for example)

Korean: (completely different)

게으른 개 이상의 빠른 갈색 여우 점프

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I believe that after a year or so reading this thread you could fluently read English,Russian,Chinese,Japanese and Korean :-)

[Path]

This is interesting, here's a post from a Leica owner showing the exact yellow triangle "!" screen I mentioned earlier. This image shows when powering off the GH1 after enabling the permanent Service Mode.

http://www.leica-camera.info/2010/04/leica-d-lux-4-service-mode.html

I guess it's not too surprising as Leica's D-LUX 4 is essentially a rebranded, more expensive Lumix LX3. Still this is the only mention I've found of the permanent service mode.

I wonder if the "Adjustment Manual" mentioned on page 55 of the service manual has instructions for getting to all the service menus.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

This is interesting, here's a post from a Leica owner showing the exact yellow triangle "!" screen I mentioned earlier. This image shows when powering off the GH1 after enabling the permanent Service Mode.

http://www.leica-camera.info/2010/04/leica-d-lux-4-service-mode.html



It is very good find.
We now know about this large service mode, thanks to you (but still do not know exact steps on how you managed to get to it).
Also we know about PC adjustment software that can connect directly to camera.
It'll be perfect if someone could share information about this two things.

[BhambuNath]

.......

[surfer030303]

Hi Guys,

I was very interested in tester13 GH1's work and I donate.

I was very intersetd in the augmentation of the frame rate and, if my memory is good, I've read in some messages that increasing frame rate was ONE of the main goals...

He answered me : "Increasing frame rate in not an option and most probably it won't be. Frame rates are most probably hardware limited.
It'll require months (or years :-) ) to understand how it works."

Dommage, like we say in french... I am truly disappointed especially when am reading about ALL the others requests...

And I don't understand what his work is about, because all researchs are made about languages changes (who cares, just buy it in the righr area... lol) and others changes you can do with general medium - high software (Edius, Vegas, etc...)

Too bad.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I was very intersetd in the augmentation of the frame rate and, if my memory is good, I've read in some messages that increasing frame rate was ONE of the main goals...

He answered me : "Increasing frame rate in not an option and most probably it won't be. Frame rates are most probably hardware limited.
It'll require months (or years :-) ) to understand how it works."

Dommage, like we say in french... I am truly disappointed especially when am reading about ALL the others requests...


Here we go.
I just told you plain facts, and all our targets are clearly stated at first page.
Changing fps is really interesting, and is one of our targets, but increasing framerates normally is not possible because of hardware limitations.
So if you want 720p100 or 1080p50, it won't happen 100%.
If you need really high frame rates you must buy either other cameras (btw, TM700 shoot 1080p60 just fine, and it is consumer camcorder) or shoot at low resolutions using P&S cameras that have such ability (like Casio).

[surfer030303]

Sorry tester13, I made a mistake speaking about frame rate, I was meaning increasing the bitrate in AVCHD. Sorry again

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Sorry tester13, I made a mistake speaking about frame rate, I was meaning increasing the bitrate in AVCHD. Sorry again

Framerate and bitrate are quite different things :-)
And both your PM and previous post here were about framerate.
As for bitrate it is possible and we are working on it.
But we can't change many codec aspects and flaws.
And we certainly can't increase bitrate 3x.
2x is also more like a dream.

Both Venus HD and Venus HD 2 chips are DSC chips, they were designed for 720p30 encoding (Venus HD even initially for MJPEG one).
I do not believe many rumors about GH2 as we do not see new compacts on new Venus chips. Only option is that AF100 camcorder and GH2 will have same LSI.

[surfer030303]

As I am French (nobody's perfect !) I mismatched the two meanings.
Then so far is good. Oncreasing the bitrate would avoid some artefacts, I suppose.
Thank you again for your efforts.

[gimmeluck]

As I am French (nobody's perfect !) I mismatched the two meanings.
Then so far is good. Oncreasing the bitrate would avoid some artefacts, I suppose.
Thank you again for your efforts.

btw, increasing frame rate was a sweet idea also.
i love to watch "fluent" slow motions :)

A hardware that can have 60pcs 1 MP frames, may also have VGA resolution for ex. 120 frames at least maybe? ( which may bring us 1/5 sec. 24 frames! :)) i dunno. greedy humanbeingg

[abasfly]

Guys, this is not a blank slate project where we can do whatever we want. The firmware only will allow certain adjustments. The limits of these adjustments are being probed by Tester13. What he finds will determine what we can do. Until then any requests are not based on reality.

It is just an idea, and not a ridiculous one, decreasing sharpness and contrast or altering the gama curve in a picture profile could give us 2 stops more of latitude.
It is certainly more doable than having 100fps or a 40 mega bitrate as (IMHO).

:)

[tyampel]

It is just an idea, and not a ridiculous one, decreasing sharpness and contrast or altering the gama curve in a picture profile could give us 2 stops more of latitude.
It is certainly more doable than having 100fps or a 40 mega bitrate as (IMHO).

:)

It has a place among other requests. But I think Tester is focusing on the video side of the camera at this point.
And we don't ask him to give us 40mbps bitrates, just remove the mud.
He is now looking into the compression module of the code.
This is very sophisticated work, hard to follow even with comments.
I wish him best of luck.

As for your requests, can't you do this using custom modes, custom colors, etc.?

[outbreaker]

I live in Japan at the moment, and some of the Chinese and Japanese characters are the same, but Japanese also has two phonetic scripts.

However, Korean is quite different. There are a lot of "circles" in Korean.

e.g. the English saying "the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog" uses ALL the letters in the English alphabet. Translated it looks like:

Simplified Chinese:
快速对棕色狐狸跳过懒惰狗

Japanese:
怠惰な犬を速い茶色のキツネジャンプ
(the Japanese has one Chinese style character that's the same as the Chinese translation, plus some Japanese phonetic characters. (The simple ones on the right for example)

Korean: (completely different)

게으른 개 이상의 빠른 갈색 여우 점프


I live in korea. First of all, I don't mean to argue about above. But I want to clarify one thing. "Korean and Japanese are quite same in structure."

The Translations above were wrong. I don't know about chinese grammar structure. However, if I translation 'the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog' to japanese and korean, I'll translate below.

English : the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Japanese : 怠惰な犬をジャンプ超える速い茶色の狐 (http://www.dvxuser.com/hanja?q=%E7%8B%90)
Korean : 게으른개를뛰어넘는빠른갈색여우


If you want, you can right like this.
Korean(another ex.) : 怠犬를뛰어넘는速茶色狐 (http://www.dvxuser.com/hanja?q=%E7%8B%90)


The translation which panystac quoted was the result from google translator.



Anyway, it is not important. I just wanted to make it clear that korean and japanese language structure are quite same.



Tester13. I understand your hacking sequence like this.
1. find regional code from body.
2. fine start address of each regional code.
3. jump to proper address which corresponds to regional code.

Is that right?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Tester13. I understand your hacking sequence like this.
1. find regional code from body.
2. fine start address of each regional code.
3. jump to proper address which corresponds to regional code.

Is that right?

It is different. I touch only interface part.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Looking at battery related routines (hardware errors processing) I am just amazed.
Each error state have corrresponding code stored in big structure in special place.
But nothing set this code directly.
Instead whole structure is overwritten constantly (infinite loop) from different place.
Are you still with me? :-)
But it is not all the fun.
On lower level all error codes are also stored in large flags array.
So code is sometimes referred as code and sometimes as flag state .
Really weird.

[outbreaker]

Um... Why don't you compare to lower version before patching battery part?
Can you compare to other series? just like G1 / GH1 ?
I remember that they have same file size and similar algorithm.

If I am a developer, I'll make same routine of this G1/GH1 for battery part.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Um... Why don't you compare to lower version before patching battery part?
Can you compare to other series? just like G1 / GH1 ?
I remember that they have same file size and similar algorithm.

If I am a developer, I'll make same routine of this G1/GH1 for battery part.

:-)
If you think that 1.21 differ from 1.22 only in battery related part you are extremely wrong. As 1.32 and 1.12 are much closer to 1.22.
As for differentiating, even having best logic differencial analizer currently existing (and I have it), it is impossible to spot such subtle difference.
Your offer is same as to spot one grain that is 10% larger in one large pile of sand compared to other large pile of sand.

[butler360]

If I am a developer, I'll make same routine of this G1/GH1 for battery part.

Well, you're not a developer, are you? :tongue:

[eiway]

It is different. I touch only interface part.

If the problem is only on interface language translation part,I could provide the menu of Chinese-English-japan. Does it help you?

menu:
http://blog.xuite.net/shutter/home/28165277

[outbreaker]

Thank you eiway. :)

[Path]

It is very good find.
We now know about this large service mode, thanks to you (but still do not know exact steps on how you managed to get to it).
Also we know about PC adjustment software that can connect directly to camera.
It'll be perfect if someone could share information about this two things.

Ok, I figured some of it out. Below are instructions for both modes, and I know some of this is repeat information, but I'll include it all to be complete.

Also, fair warning that these steps are for informational use, so experiment at your own risk.

==============================
TEMPORARY SERVICE MODE

1) Turn camera off, and set the Drive Mode lever to Single
2) While holding both the "Display" and "Film Mode" buttons, turn the camera on.

That's it, now you can find the "ROM Backup" option in the setup menu. And, you can use the following to get to the error and counter menus:

1) With the camera on (from last step), press and hold the left arrow button and the "Menu Set" button together. Keep holding them!
2) While these are pressed, press "Film Mode". You can let go of all the buttons now!

Now you'll see the error codes displayed, you can use the arrows to navigate and you can hit Display to go to some other similar display of codes. Note, that in the 2nd and 3rd code display pages, the LCD is getting output from the sensor.

If you repeat the "Left Arrow" + "Menu" + "Film Mode" button press you find the "Camera Info" screen showing firmware version, a serial number (probably the main board), power cycle count, shutter count, and strob count. You can press display here and get to "Camera Info.2" which shows the last 3 clock set entries, a clockset counter, undercut counter, and RTC read counter. Note, that all the counters in info screen 1 do not reset if you re-initialize the camera (p. 13 of the service manual). The counters on info screen 2 will reset if yo re-initialize the camera.

How to Get Out of Temporary Service Mode? Simply turn the camera off and back on.
==============================
PERMANENT SERVICE MODE

WARNING: You can ONLY get out of this mode by re-initializing your camera! This is done by performing the steps outlined on page 13 of the service manual. You are responsible for your own camera!

Here's how to enable permanent service mode:

1) Turn camera off, and set the Drive Mode lever to Single
2) While holding both the "Display" and "Film Mode" buttons, turn the camera on.
3) Press "Play" then find a movie and play it by pressing the Up button
4) While holding "Up" and "Film Mode" turn the camera off.

As the camera powers off you will see the yellow triangle with the "!" instead of the regular Lumix graphic.

When you turn the camera back on, you can always access the error and counter screens using the same steps as temporary mode:

1) With the camera on (from last step), press and hold the left arrow button and the "Menu Set" button together. Keep holding them!
2) While these are pressed, press "Film Mode". You can let go of all the buttons now!

The difference is that you never have to hold display and film mode when powering on, you get the ROM Backup option all the time, and you have to re-initialize to get back to the normal operational mode.
==============================

I am still trying to find how I got to the "Permanent Service Adjustment Mode" and I'll post if I figure it out. I still suspect that permanent mode must be enabled first. Also, in the adjustment mode the "!>Lumix" item in the ROM Backup menu is active, as for the modes above it is always inactive for me.

[savagess]

Got my camera today (well last night). First thing was apply the new firmware, convert Japanese to English, and NTSC to Pal..
What a camera, so many options!...

And how cool it is to see English, consider donation happeing Monday when I get paid..

Only one thing I;ve noticed, I've taken a vmovie and examined it in MediaInfo got the following:
General
ID : 0
Complete name : J:\PRIVATE\AVCHD\BDMV\STREAM\00000.MTS
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 59.6 MiB
Duration : 36s 860ms
Overall bit rate : 13.5 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps
Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0 (High@L4.0)
Format settings, CABAC : No
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Duration : 36s 880ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 12.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.247
Stream size : 56.3 MiB (94%)
Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Duration : 36s 896ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Stream size : 865 KiB (1%)


The standard still comes up as NTSC not PAL which I applied to the hack, and interestingly is says it's interlaced, which I thought it was progressive??

[Car3o]

The PAL should be 50i frames. So I believe that's correct.

[greige]

This is interesting, here's a post from a Leica owner showing the exact yellow triangle "!" screen I mentioned earlier. This image shows when powering off the GH1 after enabling the permanent Service Mode.

http://www.leica-camera.info/2010/04/leica-d-lux-4-service-mode.html

Haha. Actually that was one of the pages I found while researching the button-combos for accessing the service modes; since it was quite high in the google search results I didn't bother posting it! My apologies!

[AKED]

Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : NTSC

Scan type : Interlaced


The standard still comes up as NTSC not PAL which I applied to the hack, and interestingly is says it's interlaced, which I thought it was progressive??


You filmed in FHD, 1080 mode, which is the interlaced mode. In NTSC and in PAL.
SH, the 720 mode, films progressive with 50 fps.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

No, he referred to "Standard : NTSC" :-)
And this is the same for PAL and NTSC.

[AKED]

No, he referred to "Standard : NTSC" :-)
And this is the same for PAL and NTSC.

Yes, but he also wrote:

and interestingly is says it's interlaced, which I thought it was progressive??And then the
FHD: interlace and SH: progressive
applies.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

PTool 3.25 early preview:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/60298/1273927419.jpg

Going towards dummies :-)

[NURBS]

In new ptool craving old mode:

VA Bitrate Adjustment,
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 and
VA Bitrate Top Limit

:love4:

Regards
NURBS

[TurboTwo]

Going towards dummies :-)

Perfect Tester,that`s me for sure,and `patches by numbers` is just what i need..!

Thanks..

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

In new ptool craving old mode:
VA Bitrate Adjustment,
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 and
VA Bitrate Top Limit


They'll be ported.
As I said it is early preview.
I spent large amount of time changing internal things and writing all text.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

`patches by numbers` is just what i need..!


What do you mean?

[NURBS]

Very nice, because today my lovely version is 3.16 :love4:
Last Weekend I had some shot and have nice result! :2vrolijk_08:
Next week I'll show results! :engel017:

Thanks
Regards
NURBS

[MarekV]

Wow tester! I´m new at this forum but first I want to thank you for all your hard work for GH1 owners! I will also try to help out in this amazing thread..

for the 3.25 version.. When do you think that you can release new version? I´m Just asking.. take your time and don´t hurry! :)

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

for the 3.25 version.. When do you think that you can release new version? I´m Just asking.. take your time and don´t hurry! :)

As soon as it'll be ready.
I also hope that we'll see first "super risky" patch (for battery) :-)
So, extra time is required to check all things.

[MarekV]

first "super risky" patch (for battery) :-)

Well .. "super-risky" :2vrolijk_08: .. You mean firmware update = completely bricked GH1 :Drogar-Shock(DBG): .. no, just kidding.. I hope everything will run flawlessly :)
For me, the interesting thing is higher bit-rate.. As I read older posts, +-20MB/s is possible for AVCHD or MJPEG? But it needs more tweeks and research, right? ..

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Well .. "super-risky" :2vrolijk_08: .. You mean firmware update = completely bricked GH1 :Drogar-Shock(DBG): .. no, just kidding.. I hope everything will run flawlessly :)
For me, the interesting thing is higher bit-rate.. As I read older posts, +-20MB/s is possible for AVCHD or MJPEG? But it needs more tweeks and research, right? ..

Yeah, exactly this. I want to say that bricking is possible with such patches.
I'll reduce risks by rechecking all many times, but it is still possible.

As for bitrate, it require much more research, and tightly controlled experiments.

[emory]

If you succeed in increasing the bitrate to 24Mbps, would a class 6 SD card like the Sandisk Extreme III still be sufficient, or would it be better to play safe and buy a class 10 now?

By the way, I find your project intriguing and impressive, although I am a total newcomer to this technology. Thank you for your work.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

If you succeed in increasing the bitrate to 24Mbps, would a class 6 SD card like the Sandisk Extreme III still be sufficient, or would it be better to play safe and buy a class 10 now?

Class 10 and Class 6 are marketing terms.
All you need is a good write speed, most Class 6 cards have 6Mb/s or better write speed (SanDisk have about 26-30Mb/s). And 6Mb/s is 48Mbit/s.
I highly doubt that we'll ever archieve such bitrate.

[TurboTwo]

Car3o..i just wondered..

Whats the latest on our fund balance.. and any decision on what to buy next?

and has Tester got the GH1 body yet?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Ptool 3.25 released
Help system introduced with description and status of each patch
GH1 third-party battery patch added
GH1 Japan to any language patch added
Bitrate patches ported to v1.32
Few GH1 patches removed
G1 and GF1 patches are not updated in any way

Special note about third-party patch for testers.
I tried to make risk as small as possible. And due to patch method I do not expect any problems if using original batteries. But you must be warned that this is low level system patch.

G1 and GF1 owners
We'll start porting patches as soon as we'll have corresponding bodies.
We still have problem in obtaining G1 body.
And collection for GF1 is just started.

I do not have any balance update from Car3o. He seems to be busy since last week.
May be it'll be required to move our donation account to other place.

[dcloud]

tester13 you are a saint
I dont have any of the lumix g cameras but i really appreciate your efforts!

[Car3o]

Paypal balance 447.09

Regarding being busy. it's saturday and had a family reunion over the weekend. tester's emails and pm's have come off as very rude and it could be a language barrier. i don't want to jump to any conclusions. i'd be more than willing to be taken off as the middle man for holding donations. i'm doing this for you. and doing this for the community, and i appreciate your efforts in all of this, as everyone else's. but there is no need to be demanding.

[abasfly]

G1 and GF1 owners
We'll start porting patches as soon as we'll have corresponding bodies.
We still have problem in obtaining G1 body.
And collection for GF1 is just started.


:2vrolijk_08:

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Paypal balance 447.09

Regarding being busy. it's saturday and had a family reunion over the weekend. tester's emails and pm's have come off as very rude and it could be a language barrier. i don't want to jump to any conclusions. i'd be more than willing to be taken off as the middle man for holding donations. i'm doing this for you. and doing this for the community, and i appreciate your efforts in all of this, as everyone else's. but there is no need to be demanding.

I did not send you any emails in last days, this is first. And my PM was not rude.
Second, you are really very busy and don't have time for anything.
Yes, you did very much for GH1 donation thing to succeed, and we owe you.
And if you are doing this for community then community has right to be demanding.
If you look at my development and my targets, I constantly adjust them according to feedback.
And do not post here information about family or my other problems.

All we really need is paypal account (one that can recieve donation), and I hope that we must ask someone to make dedicated account for our project.
I do not want to say that Car3o account is bad, but we must be guranteed against delays and other problems.

[emory]

Thanks you for your prompt and helpful answer, tester13.

[MarekV]

Ptool 3.25 released

Oh, dude.. :) I tought that you will release "3.25" next week .. and BAM! .. its here :shocked: :)
Is here any research plan for the bit-rate situation? Maybe we need some chart for each test with specific values.. to make it usable for tests ..
Or are there any preferred tests now?

I understand this correctly? That at the very end of this research there will only one patch (with constant-unchangeable value) for specific "upgrade" .. like "change frame rate", "enhance bitrate" and so..

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Oh, dude.. :) I tought that you will release "3.25" next week .. and BAM! .. its here :shocked: :)

It is released because it is ready.


Is here any research plan for the bit-rate situation? Maybe we need some chart for each test with specific values.. to make it usable for tests ..
Or are there any preferred tests now?

I need tightly controlled experiments, and this means special setup and shooting special targets. So, until I'll have camera at hand we won't have large progress.

Main test case for now is third-party battery patch test.

Later we'll move to more low level AVCHD encoder stuff experiments.


I understand this correctly? That at the very end of this research there will only one patch (with constant-unchangeable value) for specific "upgrade" .. like "change frame rate", "enhance bitrate" and so..

No, we could introduce simple selector for dummies (as we already did with Top bitrate), but all other methods will remain.

[MarekV]

No, we could introduce simple selector for dummies (as we already did with Top bitrate), but all other methods will remain.
Ok, but put yourself in a situation of someone who didn´t have any experiences with this technical "things" (not my case) .. BUT someone want to enhance bitrate (enhance quality of video), so he allow and set "bitrate top limit" but he need to adjust next two "things" (Max bitrate, Alternate bitrate) as you wrote there.. But there isn´t any tip how to adjust the next ones..

This is just an example.. but I hope you understand what I mean...

Or this is not the point of this? :undecided



So, until I'll have camera at hand we won't have large progress.

You don´t have GH1 now?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Ok, but put yourself in a situation of someone who didn´t have any experiences with this technical "things" (not my case) .. BUT someone want to enhance bitrate (enhance quality of video), so he allow and set "bitrate top limit" but he need to adjust next two "things" (Max bitrate, Alternate bitrate) as you wrote there.. But there isn´t any tip how to adjust the next ones..

If you download current version you'll see that help how describe dependency of three bitrate settings and how to set them properly.

Anyway, as I said we'll have simple patch with selector to allow even complete dummies to set preferable bitrate. But this time is far far away.


You don´t have GH1 now?

It is on the way to me :-)

[MarekV]

And last thing .. our GH1 is really not capable to play native 24p/25 content?



It is the way to me :-)
You mean "on the way"? :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) :thumbsup:

PS.: Thank you very much for the 30 min limit removal! I´m shooting large interview next week and without your patch I will be definitely screwed! :)

[aczelkri]

Hi tester! Is there any way to improve the sampling rate (not the bitrate) of audio recording in MJPEG mode? Currently afaik it is 16kHz, which is very low. 44kHz or 48KHz would be much nicer, either in PCM or in AC3 (or whatever is used in AVHCD) mode.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hi tester! Is there any way to improve the sampling rate (not the bitrate) of audio recording in MJPEG mode? Currently afaik it is 16kHz, which is very low. 44kHz or 48KHz would be much nicer, either in PCM or in AC3 (or whatever is used in AVHCD) mode.

We already tried to do that, but without much success.
I'll look at this things later.
But it can happen that encoder is hardcoded for 16KHz.
If we'll manage to make GOP 1 (IntraFrame) AVCHD it'll be the same as MJPEG.

[NURBS]

Hello Guys'

Testing again'

GOP in all test been: 720p (3) 1080p (10)

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 25.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 25.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 192000

Format : M-JPEG
Duration : 9s 500ms
Bit rate : 24.9 Mbps
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.124

FHD

Overall bit rate : 15.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 25.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 960ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 14.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.285

SHD

Overall bit rate : 21.2 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 25.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 700ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.2 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 100.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.219


This combination working well.

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 27.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 25.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 192000

Format : M-JPEG
Duration : 16s 000ms
Bit rate : 24.7 Mbps
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.118

FHD

Overall bit rate : 16.7 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 25.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 960ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 15.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.306

SHD

Overall bit rate : 21.1 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 25.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 700ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.1 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 100.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.218

Note: Camera freezing if you want play this files.

This combination working well.

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 27.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 192000

Format : M-JPEG
Duration : 10s 000ms
Bit rate : 25.7 Mbps
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.160

FHD

Overall bit rate : 15.4 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 27.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 960ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 14.6 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.281

SHD

Overall bit rate : 20.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 27.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 700ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 19.6 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 100.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.212

Note: Camera freezing if you want play this files.

This combination working well.

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 30.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 192000

Format : M-JPEG
Duration : 10s 000ms
Bit rate : 23.9 Mbps
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.081

FHD

Overall bit rate : 15.3 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 30.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 11s 160ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 14.5 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.280

SHD

Overall bit rate : 21.1 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 30.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 760ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.1 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 100.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.218

Note: Camera freezing if you want play this files.

This combination working well.


VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 40.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 320000

Format : M-JPEG
Duration : 10s 000ms
Bit rate : 24.4 Mbps
Frame rate : 24.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 1.103

FHD

Overall bit rate : 16.5 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 11s 160ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 15.5 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.300

Audio

Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 320 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels

SHD

Overall bit rate : 20.9 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 760ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 19.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 100.000 fps
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.215

Note: Camera freezing if you want play this files.

This combination working well.

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 30.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 1280000

This combination cant' work.

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 40.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 576000

Camera shows message about SD Card speed

This combination cant' work.

Files will be soon.. :bath:

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

And last thing .. our GH1 is really not capable to play native 24p/25 content?

I don't know.
Most probably it can play only 50 or 60 fps footage.
Even in this case it require Panasonic a day or two to make it play native content.
Problem is that they can't do it, as all the team moved to next projects.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hello Guys

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 30.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 1280000

This combination cant' work.

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 40.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 576000

Camera shows message about SD Card speed



Try 1280000 audio encoding rate with normal other settings.
You can even lower video bitrate using Bitrate Adjustment 3 if required.

Testing MJPEG is not required as these settings affect only AVCHD.

[MarekV]

NURBS: No problems with playing (freezing) these files in camera?

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 25.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 25.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 192000

[NURBS]

Testing only Audio encoding bps:

It don't working again. (Camera freezing on 1280k for 576k digits show message)

Audio encoding bps - 1280000
Audio encoding bps - 576000

[NURBS]

NURBS: No problems with playing (freezing) these files in camera?

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 25.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 25.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 192000

Yes camera can't play this file and freezing when I go to play mode.

[Davì]

Had been busy recently.


I believe soon good news will be coming to Olympus EP1 owners as it is also MN103 based and I have firmware unpacker for this (but I am not author of this unpacker!)

Hi all,
where is possible to find information about the ep1 hack development?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Testing only Audio encoding bps:

It don't working again. (Camera freezing on 1280k for 576k digits show message)

Audio encoding bps - 1280000
Audio encoding bps - 576000


Ok I got it. Thanks.
So, it display message about SD card speed for 576000?
I believe that we just have another buffer overflow.
I have some suspects here.

[NURBS]

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 40.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 320000
Bitrate adjustment 3 - 12.000.000

FHD mode

Overall bit rate : 14.3 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Video

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 880ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 13.4 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Original frame rate : 50.000 fps
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.258
Stream size : 15.8 MiB (94%)

SHD mode

Overall bit rate : 21.1 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 40.0 Mbps

Video

Format settings, ReFrames : 1 frame
Duration : 9s 820ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 19.9 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
Width : 1 280 pixels
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Original frame rate : 100.000 fps
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.432
Stream size : 23.3 MiB (95%)

Video will be soon...

[NURBS]

Yes, it display message about SD card speed for 576000. ;-)

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hi all,
where is possible to find information about the ep1 hack development?

I believe author made few messages in this thread about unpacking tool.
Otherwise I don't know anything about ep1.

[nize]

It seems there are some problem in language patch.
No matter what you choose, you will get english menu in GH1.
and those patched files are identical.

[Davì]

I believe author made few messages in this thread about unpacking tool.
Otherwise I don't know anything about ep1.

Many thanks for the answer tester13

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 40.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 320000
Bitrate adjustment 3 - 12.000.000


It is pointless to use Bitrate adjustment 3 with other Bitrate patches.
Try to make your tests more systematic.
You must shoot very highly detailed (and in focus) moving target.
Something like a fan with forest photos attached to blades. :2vrolijk_08:

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

It seems there are some problem in language patch.
No matter what you choose, you will get english menu in GH1.
and those patched files are identical.

Yeah, you are right.
Please, download Ptool again, must be fixed now (only v1.32 had been affected).

I am still waiting to brave one to test battery patch :-) If you have spare original battery, I do not expect any problems. But who knows.

[NURBS]

Video for this test (not to all becaude have a limit in Rapidshare).

Link here: http://rapidshare.com/files/387955690/new_test_ptool_325.zip

[nize]

Yeah, you are right.
Please, download Ptool again, must be fixed now (only v1.32 had been affected).

I am still waiting to brave one to test battery patch :-) If you have spare original battery, I do not expect any problems. But who knows.

Thanks for your quickly response.
But I only have GF1, I wiil reply if someone test battery patch.

[NURBS]

Okey I take trouble ;-)

VA Bitrate Adjustment 1 - 30.000.000
VA Bitrate Adjustment 2 - 20.000.000
VA Bitrate Top Limit - 40.000.000
Audio encoding bps - 320000
Bitrate adjustment 3 - 18.000.000
GOP 720p50 size - 3
GOP 1080p50 size - 6

too fine..

Next test will be at night :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) because we have nice weather :happy:

See Ye
NURBS

[mmi]

I am still waiting to brave one to test battery patch :-) If you have spare original battery, I do not expect any problems. But who knows.

Hi,

its the first time i used the patch (straight on 1.3), I applied only the version increase and battery patch.

Camera does not complain about the 3rd party battery anymore when powering up, but it refuses to make any pictures.

First, everything looks normal like status display is fully there etc.
Pushing the shot button half way will not engage AF; pushing it down fully will not shot the picture. Setting AF mode set to off it will also not shot a picture.

The Menu is also not accessible.

The patched version does work well with the original battery though.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hi,

its the first time i used the patch (straight on 1.3), I applied only the version increase and battery patch.

Camera does not complain about the 3rd party battery anymore when powering up, but it refuses to make any pictures.

First, everything looks normal like status display is fully there etc.
Pushing the shot button half way will not engage AF; pushing it down fully will not shot the picture. Setting AF mode set to off it will also not shot a picture.

The Menu is also not accessible.

The patched version does work well with the original battery though.

Very good. Thanks for report.
This is almost exactly the expected behaviour (in case it won't work from first attempt).

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Thanks for your quickly response.
But I only have GF1, I wiil reply if someone test battery patch.

In such case I do not understand your complains about GH1 patch.

[mmi]

Very good. Thanks for report.
This is almost exactly the expected behaviour (in case it won't work from first attempt).

Hmm, but its not what I expected when i applied the patch ;-)

I went through the thread, but cannot make sense out of your statement, can you please explain?

[nize]

In such case I do not understand your complains about GH1 patch.

I just repost your tool to other forum, and report the problem :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) .
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=1557588&last=19542119

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I just repost your tool to other forum, and report the problem :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG) .
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=250&t=1557588&last=19542119


In this case, repost all the results back. As we need to fix language names.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hmm, but its not what I expected when i applied the patch ;-)

I went through the thread, but cannot make sense out of your statement, can you please explain?

My statement was clear. I expected it to either work or, in case it won't work, that bahaviour will be the same as you described.

[mmi]

My statement was clear. I expected it to either work or, in case it won't work, that bahaviour will be the same as you described.

Ah, I see. Guess I got confused by "first attempt" hehe.

Anything else I can help you with/contribute to make the battery patch work?

[andrzejkra]

Video for this test (not to all becaude have a limit in Rapidshare).

Link here: http://rapidshare.com/files/387955690/new_test_ptool_325.zip

For future tests it could be helpful if you moved the camera to see if there is any difference in the quality of the final output. Static video is easy to encode, just pan the camera back and forth a few times when you do the test and we will see a lot more.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Ah, I see. Guess I got confused by "first attempt" hehe.

Anything else I can help you with/contribute to make the battery patch work?

Download Ptool again.
Battery patch have been changed.
Risk is increased, as we moved to lower level (but not the lowest possible).
Even if bahaviour will be the same, your report is very important.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

For future tests it could be helpful if you moved the camera to see if there is any difference in the quality of the final output. Static video is easy to encode, just pan the camera back and forth a few times when you do the test and we will see a lot more.

Such approach is complete waste of time as you need complete repeatability of results, and panning is not good.
Shooting something moving at same speed (like fan, etc) is another matter.

[Car3o]

if someone doesn't beat me to the punch. i'll record some cars driving by as before. i'll be able to upload tomorrow.

[Sean Jeong]

PTool Hack help:
The hack tool seems to work perfectly fine for me and I am able to change the new firmware that came out for panasonic. But for some reason i cant load it onto my camera. I put it in the root file of my sdcard but it doesn't load. No matter what I put as the increment for the version change it still doesn't show up. Is it because I already installed the new firmware to my camera...

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

The hack tool seems to work perfectly fine for me and I am able to change the new firmware that came out for panasonic. But for some reason i cant load it onto my camera. I put it in the root file of my sdcard but it doesn't load. No matter what I put as the increment for the version change it still doesn't show up. Is it because I already installed the new firmware to my camera...

Please, try to read all instructions from Panasonic firmware update site carefully.
Fo example, your battery must be fully charged, etc.

[Sean Jeong]

Charged the battery fully but still getting the same problem? Am I the only one with this problem? Hope my camera's not faulty or something...

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Charged the battery fully but still getting the same problem? Am I the only one with this problem? Hope my camera's not faulty or something...

Yes you are the only one. I already pointed you to read Panasonic instructions.
If your current firmware is v1.32 and you downloaded proper GH1 firmware using link at first page it must go without any problems.

[outbreaker]

This is G1 menu comparison between japanese and korean. (posted by monona25)

http://www.cyworld.com/mokona25/2400309

You can refer to above link for finding korean.

GH1's menu is similar to G1's, but movie part is added.

[noxizmad]

hi there, and many many thanks to tester13 and everyone involved in this awesome project. couldnt join the fun yet, as i'm still really jammed with work... gladly donated anyway :)

just a thought:
wouldnt a 24p through a 48i fix the problem of previewing the video on the camera AND still get a stable 24p? (without pulldown needed)


sorry if this option has been discussed earlier and i missed it.
thanks again for the GREAT work on this

nox

[tyampel]

[quote=noxizmad;1991377]hi there, and many many thanks to tester13 and everyone involved in this awesome project. couldnt join the fun yet, as i'm still really jammed with work... gladly donated anyway :)

just a thought:
wouldnt a 24p through a 48i fix the problem of previewing the video on the camera AND still get a stable 24p? (without pulldown needed)


sorry if this option has been discussed earlier and i missed it.
thanks again for the GREAT work on this


It might work but why unnecessarily waste the bandwidth on doubling the frame rate, when it can better be utilized by carrying less compressed content?

Just my $.02

[noxizmad]

probably... i'm no specialist here, but i would just assume that 48i shouldnt use more bandwith than straight 24p. i just assume that this could be a more processor friendly way to get a stable 24p at the end, as it seems that its the way our beloved gh1 processes the video, and get the preview working aswell... i sure might be wrong

[eiway]

May I ask a question?
The firmware V3.22 can use language option in g1 and gf1,why the firmware V3.25 can't use it ? Is it any problem?

[uwemelle]

What a great job from tester13. Go ahead... I have made my donation right today.
Just a question: Is there a plan to change the language from English to German?
I bought my GH1 in central america and have no "German" option. I am using the PTool
for switch to "PAL". It works fine. Now I like to have the german menue, if possible.

[richteralan]

just got my new GF1.
can be a tester if needed.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

May I ask a question?
The firmware V3.22 can use language option in g1 and gf1,why the firmware V3.25 can't use it ? Is it any problem?

If you are talking about v3.22 preview screenshot, it is very simple.
It is just testing of selection made patch, no such actual patch for G1 and GF1 ever existed.

[Car3o]

Charged the battery fully but still getting the same problem? Am I the only one with this problem? Hope my camera's not faulty or something...

is this the first time you used the patch?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

is this the first time you used the patch?

Yes, he did not used it before. I believe problem was either in update procedure or he simply forgot to save firmware file, or check patches.

[Sean Jeong]

yup first time using it. My gh1 has the 1.32 update but I can't seem to get the hacked update to show up on my camera. I have been saving the files over and over again but still doesn't work. And i believe that I have the most recent hack. v3.25?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

yup first time using it. My gh1 has the 1.32 update but I can't seem to get the hacked update to show up on my camera. I have been saving the files over and over again but still doesn't work. And i believe that I have the most recent hack. v3.25?

First, use empry SD card.
Second, upload original and saved firmware to rapidshare or hotfile and give me a link.

[eiway]

If you are talking about v3.22 preview screenshot, it is very simple.
It is just testing of selection made patch, no such actual patch for G1 and GF1 ever existed.

Sorry,that's my fault.
I mean firmware V3.20,japan --> English function can use on GF1.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

PTool 3.26 Released
Interface language patch changed, now allow to select
any language you like for any region (GH1 only).
Battery patch changed.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Sorry,that's my fault.
I mean firmware V3.20,japan --> English function can use on GF1.

Sorry, I can't understand you.
Current PTool version also works for GF1.

[Sean Jeong]

Reformated my sd card and still doesn't work. Uploaded the files to rapid (http://rapidshare.com/files/388229534/Folder.zip.html). Included a pic with my settings just too make things easier on you. Good luck, you've been a big help to me and everyone else already. :)

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Reformated my sd card and still doesn't work. Uploaded the files to rapid (http://rapidshare.com/files/388229534/Folder.zip.html). Included a pic with my settings just too make things easier on you. Good luck, you've been a big help to me and everyone else already. :)

I don't see any problems, other than file name.
Use "GH1___133.BIN' instead of "GH1_133.BIN"

[weismangroup]

Yes - I had the same issue. Tester is correct. Filename is important. Must include two underscores (__) between "GH1" and "133.BIN" or else camera will not recognize the file.

[Sean Jeong]

:beer:Oh wow dumb me. That did the trick. Thanks guys. Cheers to you tester. :beer:

[Sean Jeong]

WOAH! Big problem. Was able to upload with the same file i uploaded but it seems to be messing with my camera. Whenever i try recording the o.s. seems to freeze up. I can still see whatever i point at with the lcd but it won't record and the buttons seems to freeze up. In general the buttons seems to freeze up on standby mode. Can't even turn the camera off without taking out the battery. Can still take pictures though.

Update: It seems as if it records in mpeg HD correctly... only has the problem in any format of AVCHD

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

WOAH! Big problem. Was able to upload with the same file i uploaded but it seems to be messing with my camera. Whenever i try recording the o.s. seems to freeze up. I can still see whatever i point at with the lcd but it won't record and the buttons seems to freeze up. In general the buttons seems to freeze up on standby mode. Can't even turn the camera off without taking out the battery. Can still take pictures though.

Update: It seems as if it records in mpeg HD correctly... only has the problem in AVCHD

OK. Try to read help hints befory doing something.
Look at your 1.280.000 audio encoding rate and see that help crearly states that it'll freeze your camera during recording.

Third-party battery work ok, btw?

[Sean Jeong]

Ahhh I see, silly me. Lemme try changing the audio and updating it again but the 3rd party is working just fine. Don't know the name of my battery though since i can't read whatever language it is... but it works so thats good.

[eiway]

Sorry, I can't understand you.
Current PTool version also works for GF1.

PTool 3.26 Released
Interface language patch changed, now allow to select
any language you like for any region (GH1 only).
Battery patch changed.



so,V3.26 firmware about language part isn't use on GF1,right?

My question is V3.20 can use in GF1(Japan-->English),why V3.26
can't do that?

Thank you !!

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Ahhh I see, silly me. Lemme try changing the audio and updating it again but the 3rd party is working just fine. Don't know the name of my battery though since i can't read whatever language it is... but it works so thats good.

And it didn't work before, right?
As some batteries have necessary chips and work without patch.
And you don't need MJPEG 30->24fps also, as it is for research only and just skips frames.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

so,V3.26 firmware about language part isn't use on GF1,right?
My question is V3.20 can use in GF1(Japan-->English),why V3.26
can't do that?


v3.26 also have working Japan->English patch on GF1 (same as v3.20!).
Just on GH1 patch is now more univerfal and allow you to specify any supported interface language.

[Sean Jeong]

I haven't tested it with the older hack tool since I wasn't able to update the camera (because of my mistake in naming the file) but the newest version seemed to do the trick, since it didn't work with the original panasonic update. I'll be sticking to just the 3rd party update since the freezing in 24p and skipping in mpeg is a problem. But you have made good progress. Good luck on finishing your project.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I haven't tested it with the older hack tool since I wasn't able to update the camera (because of my mistake in naming the file) but the newest version seemed to do the trick, since it didn't work with the original panasonic update. I'll be sticking to just the 3rd party update since the freezing in 24p and skipping in mpeg is a problem. But you have made good progress.

Freezing in native 24p is only during play mode.

Good thing is that third-party battery patch is now working.

[eiway]

v3.26 also have working Japan->English patch on GF1 (same as v3.20!).
Just on GH1 patch is now more univerfal and allow you to specify any supported interface language.

I understand now,thanks a lot of you!!
Hope the Chinese will supply GF1 soon.

[craion]

Maybe it help somebody:

Unknown 5 - Czech
Unknown 6 - Hungarian
Unknown 10 - Turkish
Unknown 18 - Portugal
Unknown 2 - looks like Chinese,I'm not sure

[nize]

Unknow2 is Traditional Chinese,but missing some characters.

UnKnow2 Interface
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/427/45740223.jpg

The Traditional Chinese from GF1 user manual
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8365/p1r.gif

UnKnow2 Interface
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4616/99387037.jpg

The Traditional Chinese from GF1 user manual
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3210/p2r.gif

UnKnow2 Interface
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9416/10492405.jpg

The Traditional Chinese from GF1 user manual
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/222/p4r.gif

The interface between GH1 and GF1 is not much different, so I use it to compare.

and the battery patch works like normal.
thanks.

[Tameside]

ie slight improvemement with higher bit rate. Have upgraded to v1.3 but am too worried about the patch bricking my camera.

Couple of questions;

Does progressive over interlaced reduce mud in 1080 and
Does the higher bit rates work as normal with 1080i(am pal) 24p no benefit to me really;-)

Tester13, keep up great work, everybody really appreciate your work so far am sure.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Maybe it help somebody:

Unknown 5 - Czech
Unknown 6 - Hungarian
Unknown 10 - Turkish
Unknown 18 - Portugal
Unknown 2 - looks like Chinese,I'm not sure

Thanks, added these languages names.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Unknow2 is Traditional Chinese,but missing some characters.
The interface between GH1 and GF1 is not much different, so I use it to compare.



Please download PTool again.

I changed language patch. May be it'll help with missing Chinese characters.
Try other languages also.

[eiway]

Excuse me,I have a idea for language problem for tester 13!!

May you provide a English refer to other language character table or form,let everybody fill in it,then send it back to you.The result I think could more correct,and you are focus in other part of firmware,not bother with it.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Excuse me,I have a idea for language problem for tester 13!!

May you provide a English refer to other language character table or form,let everybody fill in it,then send it back to you.The result I think could more correct,and you are focus in other part of firmware,not bother with it.

Sorry I can't understand what you mean.
I don't see any problems to post here result of language names.
And we don't have "language problem" :-)

[nize]

Please download PTool again.

I changed language patch. May be it'll help with missing Chinese characters.
Try other languages also.

Someone reply that patch still have problem in missing Chinese characters.

Is it possible to downgrade the firmware?
Because not much people have GH1, and they are afraid that firmware version too high to use offical firmware in future.

And we have more GF1 users.
Maybe a GF1 language patch can make the test faster.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Someone reply that patch still have problem in missing Chinese characters.

I can't do anything with this. Try other unknown language.
Are you sure that GH1 have official Chinese interface?
As it can be that fonts simply do not have some parts.


Is it possible to downgrade the firmware?
Because not much people have GH1, and they are afraid that firmware version too high to use offical firmware in future.

In case of serious trouble such patch can be provided in private.


And we have more GF1 users. Maybe a GF1 language patch can make the test faster.

As soon as we'll have GF1 body most patches will be ported to GF1.
So, make them donate, and it'll be faster.

[eiway]

Sorry I can't understand what you mean.
I don't see any problems to post here result of language names.
And we don't have "language problem" :-)

I mean the every language "content",not the firmware setup interface about language titles or names.

Friend nize supput the picture in #1432 in Chinese is I said "Problem"!!

IF we have a characters reference table,example English and Chinese

"Film Mode" ---> "菲林模式"
"Aspect Ratio"--->"相片長寬比"
"SELECT"---->"選擇"
"menu"--->"選單"

such that table provide to you to edit interface about Chinese of other uncomplete language characters.I think it's more convenient,right?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

IF we have a characters reference table,example English and Chinese

"Film Mode" ---> "菲林模式"
"Aspect Ratio"--->"相片長寬比"
"SELECT"---->"選擇"
"menu"--->"選單"

such that table provide to you to edit interface about Chinese of other uncomplete language characters.I think it's more convenient,right?

I have one simple question.
GH1 has official Chinese interface?
Missing characters can only mean that fonts do not have corresponding parts.
So any strange ideas about some tables won't help.

[nize]

I have one simple question.
GH1 has official Chinese interface?
Missing characters can only mean that fonts do not have corresponding parts.
So any strange ideas about some tables won't help.

according to here.
yes,GH1 has official Chinese interface.
http://www.eprice.com.tw/dc/talk/?prod_id=396&tid=2285

Because Chinese GH1 is very expensive in Hong Kong,Taiwan.
even the Panasonic local department just import a few GH1.
And most people have never seen Chinese GH1 in store.

[noxizmad]

hey, sorry to bother with that, i just want to pop my question again as i'd be curious to hear a more technical 2cents answer :)

why not getting the 24p out of a 48i?

from what i read and as i understand it, that's how the chipset seems to process the frames. why would u want to change the nature of the beast if at the end you can get a proper 24p that way? (and again been able to play the vid on cam).
thanks in advance for your answer

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

according to here.
yes,GH1 has official Chinese interface.
http://www.eprice.com.tw/dc/talk/?prod_id=396&tid=2285



In this case do the following:
1) Find in this thread instructions how to set your region (this is possible one time only) using service mode and set it to Chinese version.
2) Check if interface is now normal.
3) You can later use patch in other areas.

I believe it is best solution.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

from what i read and as i understand it, that's how the chipset seems to process the frames. why would u want to change the nature of the beast if at the end you can get a proper 24p that way? (and again been able to play the vid on cam).

Sensor provide native 24p.
And people here ask for native 24p.
So, here is the answer.
Player anyway can only play 50fps and 60fps content.

[John Caballero]

why not getting the 24p out of a 48i?


??????????

[noxizmad]

thanks for te answer man, and thanks for the great work :)

but maybe it can be an option. i may be wrong, but i understand the sensor always shoot progressive frames anyway, the frame seems to be splitted in 2 interlaced frame afterward to get processed by the processor(s)
at the end it's 24p

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

but maybe it can be an option. i may be wrong, but i understand the sensor always shoot progressive frames anyway, the frame seems to be splitted in 2 interlaced frame afterward to get processed by the processor(s)
at the end it's 24p

To be short - you are wrong here.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

One note

We may drop GH1 v1.22 support soon as all patches are now ported.
If you are still using v1.21 or early version because of battery, it is time to update to patched v1.32 also.

[tyampel]

In this case do the following:
1) Find in this thread instructions how to set your region (this is possible one time only) using service mode and set it to Chinese version.
2) Check if interface is now normal.
3) You can later use patch in other areas.

I believe it is best solution.

The region code for Simplified (Communist or Mainland) Chinese is GK, for Traditional it is GT.
Thinking about it a bit more, perhaps the letter K stands for Kommunist?
Who knows.

[nikgid]

As soon as we'll have GF1 body most patches will be ported to GF1.
So, make them donate, and it'll be faster.
Yes! :2vrolijk_08:
That promise is sooo awesome! Was unsure if the patch might stay for GH1 mainly...
Makes me go and use the donate button right now!

I am so happy to have another product for which some intelligent geeks are producing a firmaware hack... love my CHDK-improved Canon point-and-shoot, love my Rockbox-improved MP3-Players (and kept buing new ones on the criteria that they can be rockboxed)... will love my hacked GF1!

Panasonic should pay you Hackers, actually, as you are improving their product.

Keep up the great work, Tester13 and all other GH1-Hack-pioneers!

Also thanks to Car3o for starting the possibility for donations and thus for getting the needed Hardware to Tester13!

[g.l]

To be short - you are wrong here.

No actually he isn't. Wrapping progressive frames in interlaced format has been done with PAL for a long time. It doesn't have to be native - the benefit comes from not having to do a complicated pulldown, and that's only relevant for 24p wrapped in 60i which uses 3:2. 25p in 50i can be dropped straight on an NLE timeline without pulldown. So 24p in 48i etc. is worth trying because the camera might also be able to play it back.

[panystac]

The region code for Simplified (Communist or Mainland) Chinese is GK, for Traditional it is GT.
Thinking about it a bit more, perhaps the letter K stands for Kommunist?
Who knows.

Or maybe "K" for "Cantonese"?? Not sure.

[andyjar]

I know you're going to kill me, but I just used this firmware on a real shoot.
I didn't play too much, I simply converted PAL to NTSC and removed the 30 minute limit. I also tried one with the interlacing disabled, but that caused the camera to lock up upon playback, so I made a new version without that.

And it worked fine. No issues whatsoever on set, footage looks fine. I can provide sample clips if need be (it was low light/party lighting.) I transcoded and passed it off to the editor, who is having no problems in Final Cut.

So thanks a ton, and fantastic job.


But I have one request...real timecode. You know, hours:minutes:seconds:frames. Not this "12m 8s" crap that's utterly useless on set.

[richteralan]

As soon as we'll have GF1 body most patches will be ported to GF1.
So, make them donate, and it'll be faster.

I believe you will get tons of GF1 testers if any of you person-in-charge mention that there will be a future GF1 patch.

[alignment1]

I believe you will get tons of GF1 testers if any of you person-in-charge mention that there will be a future GF1 patch.

I think it's been mentioned already...provided Tester13 gets his hands on a GF1- you will have your patch:shocked:

[richteralan]

I think it's been mentioned already...provided Tester13 gets his hands on a GF1- you will have your patch:shocked:
I know it's mentioned in this forum.

But outside this forum, many people still perceive this patch as GH1 only and will not port to GF1.

I'm not pushing for GF1 patch, just want to let you guys know this.

[Car3o]

had my first shoot tonight with the english patch and 24p, loved it. If I wanted playback I simply put my card in a laptop onset and viewed the footage. Went swimmingly nevertheless. Once I get home I'll update my thread with grabs.

[alignment1]

had my first shoot tonight with the english patch and 24p, loved it. If I wanted playback I simply put my card in a laptop onset and viewed the footage. Went swimmingly nevertheless. Once I get home I'll update my thread with grabs.

Nice Car3o!!- looking forward to some footage!

[park25]

One note

We may drop GH1 v1.22 support soon as all patches are now ported.
If you are still using v1.21 or early version because of battery, it is time to update to patched v1.32 also.

Oh my! Please Tester13, will you drop the idea of dropping GH1 v1.22?

I have upgraded my GH1 more than Panasonic can do, with your help.

Changed language to English. I use Korean though.

Use 1080/24p instead of 1080/60i, with GOP size 6.

When it comes to 760/60p, GOP size 6 works okay.

Maximum bitrate is set at 30Mbps

Bitrate Adjustment 1 is at 20Mbps.

Bitrate Adjustment 2 is 22Mbps.

In my case if BA 1 is higher than BA 2, ie 22-20, it crashes.

BA 1 should be 20Mbps and lower. (Higher than 20 causes crashes)

BA 2 should be 22Mbps and lower. (Higher than 22 causes crashes)

Under above settings, it works real smart and smooth. Thanks!!!! :2vrolijk_08::2vrolijk_08:

Then my only problem.

I am not able to use the new firmware v1.32, official or hacked.

Actually the last time I upped hack formware onto my body successfully, the verson increment numver was 13 (it gave me 0x012F 303) and I stopped.

I guess the increment number 14 would result in 0x0130 meaning v1.30. Am I right?

Then the new and official firmware came out, so did yours.

As soon as I got the 1.32 firmware and your new tool, I first tried to upload the not-hacked official version. Oh no! It didn't work. Failed to recognize the official firmware displaying "No Valid Images blah blah ..." :Drogar-KnockedOut(D:Drogar-KnockedOut(D

Then I tried to upload new hacked firmware using increment numer 1 resulting in 0x130, and unfortunately and unexpectedly it didn't work either.

I have no idea what I have done wrong about.

Currently I have no choice but to use the firmware v1.22. Internally it's 1.36 (0x136) though.

Any tips leading to something like a solution would be greatly appreciated.

And Tester13, I humbly request you plz not to drop v.122.

Should I have to just sit and wait until the next official verson 1.4? :undecided:undecided

[PappasArts]

had my first shoot tonight with the english patch and 24p, loved it. If I wanted playback I simply put my card in a laptop onset and viewed the footage. Went swimmingly nevertheless. Once I get home I'll update my thread with grabs.

Since the 24P is not being spread out over 60 individual video interlaced frame/fields, and instead in 24FPS discrete frames; would this not make for better compression?

Can you also view the thumbnails ( not play them ) however just see the thumbnails without crashing..?



Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

[AdrianF]

had my first shoot tonight with the english patch and 24p, loved it. If I wanted playback I simply put my card in a laptop onset and viewed the footage. Went swimmingly nevertheless. Once I get home I'll update my thread with grabs.

This sounds really encouraging. Hats off to you and Tester13 for getting this off the ground. Look forward to seeing some footage.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Oh my! Please Tester13, will you drop the idea of dropping GH1 v1.22?

...
Currently I have no choice but to use the firmware v1.22. Internally it's 1.36 (0x136) though.

Any tips leading to something like a solution would be greatly appreciated.

And Tester13, I humbly request you plz not to drop v.122.


Here is solution to your problem.
Load v1.32 and use high version incriment.
If for patched v1.22 you have v1.36 now.
It is not enought to make v1.37 from v1.32.
As firmware also have release number and these number are closer than version numbers (0x6A for 0x132 and 0x61 for 0x122).
Now your increment is 0x14, and instead of 0x15 you must use 0x1D or higher.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

had my first shoot tonight with the english patch and 24p, loved it. If I wanted playback I simply put my card in a laptop onset and viewed the footage. Went swimmingly nevertheless. Once I get home I'll update my thread with grabs.

Is it possible to use Eye-Fi cards with GH1?
Main problem with them is that they are locked and operate at high level.
If it will be possible just to mirror SD Card FAT on main computer in real time it will result in realtime FullHD monitoring solution (with slight delay, of course).
As some players are able to play incomplete MTS files while they are being written.

P.S. We all hope to see some beautiful girls instead of cars at night. :engel017:

[park25]

I can't use the firmware v1.32 and now I might find the cause.

Right before the firmware v1.32 came out, I used the increment number 13 and though it was version 1.29. Alas, I checked the ptool and found out it was 1.2F, not 1.29.

V1.29 is the increment number 7.

So I suppose if we use the increment number 8 and above, we don't use the new firmware v1.32. That's exactly what I'm experiencing.

Then I want to know if there are other GH1 testers who intensively test the ptool reaching the increment number 7 and going on beyond the limit.

Or is there any limit actually and just my body is too picky?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

See my answer above, please.
You just need to use really hight increment for v1.32.

[park25]

Thanks for the quick and valuable answer, tester13.

And for a double check...

My last increment number on v1.22 was 20. It shows the value is 0x136 310.

Then exactly what increment number should I use on v1.32?

You said I should use 0x1D or higher, but I don't know what number it is.

Maybe I am wrong thinking 0x136 means internal version 1.36.

I really appreciate your philanthropic work and personal advice too.


If "0x1D or higher" means the value, it seems that I should use the incrememt number of 7118 or higher as 7118 results in 0x1D00. Do I understand you correctly? Please forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong.

[techdosm]

Planning to buy Japanese version GF1. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/images/smilies/Drogar-Love%28DBG%29.gif

Q1. Can i use this Ptool 3.26 to change Japanese menu into English menu?
Q2. Do i use Japanese GF1 firmware v1.2 or Global GF1 firmware v1.2 ( 10 May 2010) to patch it?

Please do advise! Thank for advance! :D

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

If "0x1D or higher" means the value, it seems that I should use the incrememt number of 7118 or higher as 7118 results in 0x1D00. Do I understand you correctly? Please forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong.

No, it means increment 0x1d or higher (version number will be 0x132+0x1D :-) ), i.e. 29 or higher in decimal.

[sirk]

tester13, gh1 body arrived?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

tester13, gh1 body arrived?

No, it is on the way to me. It looks like I can get it on this week.

[park25]

No, it means increment 0x1d or higher (version number will be 0x132+0x1D :-) ), i.e. 29 or higher in decimal.

It works like a charm!!!!! :2vrolijk_08::2vrolijk_08::2vrolijk_08:

Thank you very much Tester13.

I think I found 3 other languages. It needs to be checked out though.

3 - Russia or Serbia (I'm not sure cause the characters looks very similar.)

7 - Neitherland

17 - Swenden

[Paul Shields]

All looking very good tester! The 30 minutes removal and the possible battery fix do it for me, the other fixes are icing on the cake :). I've donated. Keep it up....

[nikgid]

All looking very good tester! The 30 minutes removal and the possible battery fix do it for me, the other fixes are icing on the cake :). I've donated. Keep it up....

And those two patches (30minute-limit-removal, 3rd-party-battery) should be relatively easy (compared to the fps-stuff) to copy to the GF1, right?
Have donated too.
Come on GF1-owners, lets get Tester13 a GF1 to speed-up patch-transfer.
Donate now! :)

[Paul Shields]

And those two patches (30minute-limit-removal, 3rd-party-battery) should be relatively easy (compared to the fps-stuff) to copy to the GF1, right?
Have donated too.
Come on GF1-owners, lets get Tester13 a GF1 to speed-up patch-transfer.
Donate now! :)

It would seem that those patches should transfer well to the GF1. Only tester13 knows for sure of course, but I have high hopes that it will be the case. As you say, he probably needs a body to test if with. I'm hoping to see an exponential increase in development time once the GH1 reaches him. This is a great service to the GH1/GF1 community. I also urge people to donate if you make use of the patched firmware!

[JerryB]

I know it has not been brought up in a while (for good reason), but what is the status of getting AGC disabled. Is this still something that a camera is needed in order to get figured out or does this seem highly unprobable even with camera? This would be a great accet for run and gun shooting where higher quality sound is not a big issue.

Also, what is the status of 720/24p for AVCHD or MJPeG. Any progress or thoughts?


PS: Great work so far Tester13, will be donating more come next paycheck!!

[Barry_Green]

I know it has not been brought up in a while (for good reason), but what is the status of getting AGC disabled.
According to some threads here, there is no AGC, hence nothing to disable. There's a limiter, but no automatic gain.

[sirk]

According to some threads here, there is no AGC, hence nothing to disable. There's a limiter, but no automatic gain.

What does that exactly mean for us? How does a limiter work?

[Cavemandude]

I wrote about the GH1 having a limiter and did some tests. I haven't installed the firmware hack yet but it will be great if the adjustable "audio bitrate" works as stated and we can increase the quality of the GH1's audio by increasing the bitrate higher than the stock 192kbps.

Here is the thread on it being a limiter and not AGC:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=208746

Randy

[Nik Manning]

On the first page I am only seeing 3 items checked as complete in the graphic for 3.26.

Is that graphic current?

People here are talking about native 24p and compression changes but I don't see that checked off one the 1st page graphic. Those seem to be huge features and I would assume they would be check off if they were completed.

Please clarify thanks!

[AKED]

Once you downloaded the tool and ave it open, you can decide for yourself, which of the boxes you check meaning, which of the hacks you would like to have in your GH1. Not everybody needs the same features, this is why you can choose.
Great system.

[Car3o]

I'll post 2 clips here soon from the shoot. Waiting for my interwebs to get back up, I'm on 3g internet right now.

[dracore]

tester,

I made some headway on the wingraph navigation with max tree depth option. Hopefully the tree traversal works properly... seems to be ok with some test graphs I used.

You can grab the build here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/389041315/wingraph32.rar.html


How to use it:
1. Click on the new tree icon button in the toolbar.
2. Specify the max depth you want to see. Enter 0 to see all nodes.
3. Double click on a node in the graph. This becomes the root node. Traversal of subtree begins at the root node and a depth search up to the maximum depth that you have set will occur.
4. You can right-click the graph and it will reset back to show all nodes.

One minor caveat:
The app will stop up to the last node that is equal to your max depth value. If there are any graph edges that are supposed to continue from the node, they will not appear. If you want to see them you need to use max depth + 1 so the traversal will continue to the next node.

Hope this modification proves to be useful :)

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

On the first page I am only seeing 3 items checked as complete in the graphic for 3.26.

Is that graphic current?



Yes, it is.
Normally screenshots have some new or changed patches checked.
Sometimes they have checked just random ones.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

tester,

How to use it:
1. Click on the new tree icon button in the toolbar.
2. Specify the max depth you want to see. Enter 0 to see all nodes.
3. Double click on a node in the graph. This becomes the root node. Traversal of subtree begins at the root node and a depth search up to the maximum depth that you have set will occur.
4. You can right-click the graph and it will reset back to show all nodes.



Thanks.
May be it is possible to impove interface?
Look how number input is done on PTool.
If we remove tree icon and place simple small input field with small icon to the left it'll allow to save time (as it'll be instand change as you input any number).
Specification of root can be also optional (like second icon).

It'll be very good to have other improvements also.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I'll post 2 clips here soon from the shoot. Waiting for my interwebs to get back up, I'm on 3g internet right now.

We are all waiting for your pretty girls footage :-):love4:

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

It would seem that those patches should transfer well to the GF1. Only tester13 knows for sure of course, but I have high hopes that it will be the case. As you say, he probably needs a body to test if with.

Most patches can be transferred to GF1, no big problems.
I believe we still need about $200 to get GF1 body.


I'm hoping to see an exponential increase in development time once the GH1 reaches him. This is a great service to the GH1/GF1 community. I also urge people to donate if you make use of the patched firmware!

I want to be open here, as you are almost right about "exponential increase in development time", and not decrease.
Our main areas for interest are AVCHD compressor, MJPEG compressor, ound level limiter (or AGC) and video out.
Today we have some progress in compressors part, but even having body I could not do anything without testers.
As for limiter and video we are almost at the start positions.

[Nik Manning]

That is amazing news and some serious progress! Is it possible to shoot in a 2K mode.

Based on this assessment from another site:

Also, the sensor scanning data rate of full HD is actually very similar on the sensor to 720p 60p.
1280x720x60 = 55,296,000
1920x1080x24 = 49,766,400

So is 2048x1152x24 = 56,623,104 possible?

Has anyone shot any footage in 24p mode with the higher datarate?

Thanks

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

That is amazing news and some serious progress! Is it possible to shoot in a 2K mode.

Based on this assessment from another site:

Also, the sensor scanning data rate of full HD is actually very similar on the
So is 2048x1152x24 = 56,623,104 possible?



Do not read eoshd, period.
Scanning rate is 66MHz (66.000.000).
We need to make huge amout of experiments concerning sensor.
As we still do not understand how it works.

Note that compressor seems to be specifically tuned to 1080 and 720 resolutions.




Has anyone shot any footage in 24p mode with the higher datarate?


You can shot such footage yourself, but you need to lower GOP to get actual increase in bitrate (as we can't increase P frame size estimation yet).

[Tameside]

follow the thread to dp review

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=35356886

wonder if he'll donate it, would it be any use?

[R-ik]

Just donate 25$. GO GO Tester13. your work is amazing. i hope you get a gh1 body soon

[Daniel S.]

Hey, maybe we can ask him for pictures of the audio-pcb if this is still needed.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1041&thread=35356886

[Daniel S.]

follow the thread to dp review

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=35356886

wonder if he'll donate it, would it be any use?

Hmpf, too late.. xD

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hmpf, too late.. xD

Why do you think it is too late?
His photos generally are very bad quality.

[Daniel S.]

my post was to late (:

Tameside was faster with posting the url..

Should we ask him for better pictures of the PCB?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

my post was to late (:

Tameside was faster with posting the url..

Should we ask him for better pictures of the PCB?

Yes, of course. Advise him to close aperture and use place with a lot of light (+tripod if he has it).
If he can donate, we need Main PCB and Audio PCB.
Sensor is also interesting, as we could learn some things about it.

[Daniel S.]

Ok, i asked him for high-quality pictures. Lets see if he answers.

Daniel

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

PTool 3.27 Released
Audio buffer size patch added.
Audio sampling rate patch ported and adjusted.
Video buffer size patch slightly adjusted.
Some languages names added.
GH1 firmware v1.22 support dropped.

This is mostly experimental release to try make sampling rate and high encoding rates working by adjust audio buffer.

[dracore]

Thanks.
May be it is possible to impove interface?
Look how number input is done on PTool.
If we remove tree icon and place simple small input field with small icon to the left it'll allow to save time (as it'll be instand change as you input any number).
Specification of root can be also optional (like second icon).

It'll be very good to have other improvements also.

I looked into that before and the problem is that Borland's toolbar does not support editboxes. Only buttons :shocked:
I can look for a workaround. In the meantime just press button more often :)

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

I looked into that before and the problem is that Borland's toolbar does not support editboxes. Only buttons :shocked:
I can look for a workaround. In the meantime just press button more often :)

You can remove toolbar and add individual small buttons and input boxes to the panel or adjust toolbar size and add input box to the right.

[Rabot]

Do not read eoshd, period.


The guy over there might have misunderstood some technical stuff, but it doesn't mean everything on there is crap. It's actually one of the few blog that has nice content about HDSLR on the web.

Considering the resolution scan, maybe having a patch that would allow to change the size scanned but still retaining the 16x9 ratio could work?

Just throwing some ideas like that....

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

The guy over there might have misunderstood some technical stuff, but it doesn't mean everything on there is crap. It's actually one of the few blog that has nice content about HDSLR on the web.

I don't want to talk about this guy and his resource. For me both are complete crap. Period.


Considering the resolution scan, maybe having a patch that would allow to change the size scanned but still retaining the 16x9 ratio could work?
Just throwing some ideas like that....

Throwing such ideas, unfortunately, is useless. As such things are much more complex.

[park25]

Hi there. I tested further on bitrates. BA 1 20mbps is okay, +20 freezes the body. BA 2 up to 24mbps, +24 freezes the body.

Under 1080/24p, GOP size 3 improves quality but drops frames.

Language 1 seems to be Chinese but almost every characters are missing.

Language 11 shows Portuguese words but it is already there, so could be Brazil using the same language.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Hi there. I tested further on bitrates. BA 1 20mbps is okay, +20 freezes the body. BA 2 up to 24mbps, +24 freezes the body.
Under 1080/24p, GOP size 3 improves quality but drops frames.


Thanks, but it is pointless to make any tests without systematic approach.

Try to test audio sampling rates and audio encoding rates (increasing audio buffer size also).

[outbreaker]

Tester13.
One korean GH1 user has succeeded KOREAN language with your ptool v3.27

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=panasonic_forum&page=1&divpage=9&ss=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=48521

unknown language 8 is KOREAN.


Tester13. Do you have plan to support multi-language menu for G1/GF1?

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

Tester13.
One korean GH1 user has succeeded KOREAN language with your ptool v3.27

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=panasonic_forum&page=1&divpage=9&ss=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=48521

unknown language 8 is KOREAN.


Thanks for info.


Do you have plan to support multi-language menu for G1/GF1?

Yes, of course.
As soon as we'll have bodies.

[outbreaker]

He had tried another one. unknown-4. It is POLISH
I leave its link

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=panasonic_forum&page=1&divpage=9&ss=on&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=48523

I used google translator for "tryb pomiaru" It said Polish

We need more volunteers.

[Vitaliy Kiselev]

We don't know only Unk. 11-16.
As Unknown 1 is also Chinese (one us Traditional and another Simplified, but it looks that camera fonts do not have necessary symbols).

[outbreaker]

Yes, he also tried unk.1 However he had same result as yours.
It could be empty space for future extension.

[TurboTwo]

How`s the fund looking Car3o?..seems satisfied people have been adding to the pot recently!

[Car3o]

PayPal balance: $551.11 USD

we could maybe get another Gh1 if needed. one for heavy work. unless the Gf1 is necessary.
i'm waiting for a vendor on ebay to come back from vacation to order a G1.

[TurboTwo]

Ok, i asked him for high-quality pictures. Lets see if he answers.

Daniel


Maybe we could offer him a Donation for his busticated GH1..i cant imagine it will be easily re assembled by him or a service department?..

what do you reckon, Would this be useful Tester?