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MarekV
06-09-2010, 05:41 AM
Ok, tester! Amazing! Just Amazing!

There will be presets for AVCHD, MJPEG bit-rate, frame-rate and resolution, right?

so, what is next? :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

dc98
06-09-2010, 05:46 AM
Now I was testing B settings of avchd bitrates. I will upload asap results in both resolutions. Its realy great step in quality. But you will see, there is still some mud in fast movements at 1080, but quality is much much better then before ! Now its realy possible to use GH1 at serious production. Absolutely GREAT WORK TESTER13 !!!

http://rapidshare.com/files/397031062/avchd_b_settings.rar.html

Paul Shields
06-09-2010, 05:52 AM
Just played back the file uploaded by jobless - thanks for that! The patched version definitely appears to be holding up a lot better on the pans. I'm currently playing these files back with Toast on a work Mac, which I'm not sure is the best reference software for this but the improvements are there to see (same with VLC for OS X - though again not my usual choice).

A couple of quick and very unscientific screen grabs paused during the panning.



Patched (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4066/4685100346_bfebcf2e99_o.jpg)

Unpatched (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4004/4685100340_293be21b59_o.jpg)


As I say not scientific, but every comparison of the frames I've done so far shows a big improvement. Well done Tester13!

spamrakuen
06-09-2010, 06:17 AM
:shocked:

Watched jobless' videos.
Amazing job tester13, as usual!
And every other testers also, great job!

I've just received my brand new GH1 today! :2vrolijk_08:

Canadafirst
06-09-2010, 06:18 AM
How do we give money to this Guy?

spamrakuen
06-09-2010, 06:19 AM
How do we give money to this Guy?

Look at first post.

bumkicho
06-09-2010, 06:55 AM
This is amazing. Great work, Tester13!!!

Martti Ekstrand
06-09-2010, 07:03 AM
I'm currently playing these files back with Toast on a work Mac, which I'm not sure is the best reference software for this

The Toast video player is the best option for .mts files on OSX. I see almost no difference between it and transcoded files with my PAL footage.
VLC on the other hand is riddled with macro-blocking and other de-coding errors.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-09-2010, 07:06 AM
I also suggest to use native patch for 1080p footage as motion estimation and compression must be slightly better, plus GOP length is much smaller.

Adventsam
06-09-2010, 07:17 AM
The mud may not be totally eliminated but its close to gone, the pans can be done with very little break up. By using jobless settings files are almost 2x size, better detail in foliage scenes as well.

Tester13, this is incredible work, how far can we take this? these files are aprox 3.3mb/sec, this is not big at all, I'd be happy with 5mb/sec if the iq goes up a notch again. Only 1 way to find out, tesssssssssssssssssst.

Tester13, you are a hero!!!!!!!!!!

Adventsam
06-09-2010, 07:21 AM
I also suggest to use native patch for 1080p footage as motion estimation and compression must be slightly better, plus GOP length is much smaller.


What do you mean native patch, confused, doh!:undecided

bumkicho
06-09-2010, 07:23 AM
What do you mean native patch, confused, doh!:undecided
I think tester13 meant 24p native option.

nobbystylus
06-09-2010, 08:19 AM
I think tester13 meant 24p native option.

Does this apply to PAL cameras also?

x_WOrPIG_x
06-09-2010, 08:41 AM
I must confess.... I've been trying to benefit this stuff without giving my fair share of donation. so, I decided to donate $30! Glad to see everything is going good! Testers and Tester13...You guys are awesome.

dpotuznik
06-09-2010, 08:46 AM
(sorry for my english)
THANK YOU VERRRRRRY MUCH TESTER 13!!!
You are our Hero !!!!!

And thank you all tester !!!!

Come on Everybody Give $10 To Tester13
http://www.gh1-hack.info (http://www.gh1-hack.info/)

i have pay now $10

dpotuznik : $10
x_WOrPIG_x :$30
tatal: $40
WHO ELSE ? :) +$10 = $50 etc... ?

thrice
06-09-2010, 08:50 AM
Tester13, great work!

Any progress on porting these modifications to the GF1 firmware?

Impressive work thus far, I can only imagine how complex reverse engineering firmware must be :o

alignment1
06-09-2010, 08:58 AM
(sorry for my english)
THANK YOU VERRRRRRY MUCH TESTER 13!!!
You are our Hero !!!!!

And thank you all tester !!!!

Come on Everybody Give $10 To Tester13
http://www.gh1-hack.info (http://www.gh1-hack.info/)

i have pay now $10

dpotuznik : $10
x_WOrPIG_x :$30
tatal: $40
WHO ELSE ? :) +$10 = $50 etc... ?

Great enthusiasm dpotuznik!

A lot of people here have donated:Drogar-Happy(DBG):! It's been a great effort on a lot of people's parts.

But we must be clear--- we are not 'GIVING' money to Tester13. We are all contributing to a concerted effort to make a better camera for us as individuals to use. We are donating to a 'cause'- not paying anyone!

I'm sure this is what you meant- but we must be clear here to keep everything as completely legal as possible.

But yes- I'm all for another surge of donations to further our progress in thisa groundbreaking development!:beer::beer::beer:


Once again- fantastic job- on Tester13's and our evolving team of testers behalf!!!

Much appreciated

tyampel
06-09-2010, 09:33 AM
Does this apply to PAL cameras also?
Yes, of course.
Except PAL users should use 25 instead of 24 when playing with settings.
At least that is my understanding of this.

Good luck.

Canadafirst
06-09-2010, 09:39 AM
I put in $20 for the Cabbage and Vodka fund.

Stephen Mick
06-09-2010, 09:46 AM
I don't even own a GH1 anymore, and I've just contributed $30 to the cause. Work like this, done in the interest of the community, is vital and very much appreciated.

e-steve
06-09-2010, 09:47 AM
I don't even own a GH1 anymore, and I've just contributed $30 to the cause. Work like this, done in the interest of the community, is vital and very much appreciated.

Better grab one before the price goes thru the roof! This could increase demand for the GH1... :undecided

sammysammy
06-09-2010, 09:56 AM
Ok i just donated for the second time, i just sent $25 now..thanks tester for all the hard work!

Adventsam
06-09-2010, 09:58 AM
Better grab one before the price goes thru the roof! This could increase demand for the GH1... :undecided

Part 4, LOL. Made another donation too ;-) thanks tester13

numerized
06-09-2010, 10:07 AM
Hi and Thanks sooo much.

Is native 24/25p is recommended with these new settings ?
You said that video playback works, I assume that you didn't activate native 24/25p, right ?

Last question, I have SDHC class 4 only, is it better to configure my camera with a settings or b settings ?

Have a good day ! I'm testing b settings, it's pretty awsome !!!!

Car3o
06-09-2010, 10:08 AM
I knew there had to be some kind of breakthrough when I woke up as I had at least 20 emails worth of donations in my inbox. Awesome.

Paypal balance $557.86

slyn4ice
06-09-2010, 10:09 AM
did a small test with the following settings (these were the only patches applied along with Version change and Language change, no native 24 patch applied):

Video buffer - a) 40.000.000 b) 40.000.000
Video bitrate adjustment - a) 32.000.000 b) 38.000.000
Overall bitrate adjustment - a) 35.000.000 b) 39.000.000
Limiting bitrate adjustment - a) 40.000.000 b) 40.000.000

Without a patch applied i get:
720p
[Video] Bit rate : 14.5 Mbps
[Video] Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
[Overall] Overall bit rate : 15.3 Mbps
[Overall] Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps

1080p
[Video] Bit rate : 14.3 Mbps
[Video] Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
[Overall] Overall bit rate : 15.1 Mbps
[Overall] Maximum Overall bit rate : 18.0 Mbps

For a) I get:
720p
[Video] Bit rate : 17.3 Mbps
[Video] Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
[Overall] Overall bit rate : 18.2 Mbps
[Overall] Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.0 Mbps

1080p
[Video] Bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
[Video] Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
[Overall] Overall bit rate : 26.3 Mbps
[Overall] Maximum Overall bit rate : 35.0 Mbps

For b) I get:
720p
[Video] Bit rate : 28.3 Mbps
[Video] Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
[Overall] Overall bit rate : 29.7 Mbps
[Overall] Maximum Overall bit rate : 39.9 Mbps

1080p
[Video] Bit rate : 32.3 Mbps
[Video] Maximum bit rate : 16.6 Mbps
[Overall] Overall bit rate : 33.8 Mbps
[Overall] Maximum Overall bit rate : 39.9 Mbps

All videos were viewable in camera.
One question though... I have been following the thread since the very beginning so i might have missed it, but is the video buffer limited to 40Mbps or did Tester13 just set those values based on estimations?

henryolonga
06-09-2010, 10:15 AM
Unbelievable stuff Tester. Sent $30 to you guys for the cause - you deserve it and all the guys helping and hope that it helps get new bodies or something.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-09-2010, 10:30 AM
I have some ideas about playback problems of native footage.
But this needs work.
720p24 patch is interesting here, as it contains native patch. And yet it plays fine at camera.
Also 1080p24 have weird framerate reported by mediainfo - 47,952 (inside all is ok), and players play this file at double speed.
But 720p24 reports correct framerate and plays fine.

machin22
06-09-2010, 10:38 AM
amazing job ! We follow it in France with great interest !! Made a donation a minute ago.
Thank you !!!

Peter J. DeCrescenzo
06-09-2010, 10:41 AM
I just donated $25.

Also, a huge thank you to tester13 & others for what you've already accomplished.

And it appears things are getting better & better. Excellent work!

(In the "nice to have dreams" category: I hope to see 1080p24 playback in camera (AVCHD or MJPEG whichever is better quality), and live audio & video monitoring while recording, but I don't mean to diminish the fantastic results you've already achieved. Thanks again!)

Adventsam
06-09-2010, 10:43 AM
Hello. I'm sorry if this has come up in the other 227 pages of the thread, but do any of these modifications affect the still image quality out of the GH1, or are they aimed strictly at enhancing the video capability?

No affect on still, although tester would love you to add a timelapse to the still capture! please ;-0:love4:

svecher
06-09-2010, 11:00 AM
I knew there had to be some kind of breakthrough when I woke up as I had at least 20 emails worth of donations in my inbox. Awesome.
Paypal balance $557.86
This is a milestone worth celebrating, so add another $30 from me to the fund. I hope that by the time of GH2's release there is enough there to get one of the first units to Tester13. Something tells me its going to be a much tougher nut to crack, so the faster the process is started the better.

For now, cheers T! Get out, shoot some footage and share.

numerized
06-09-2010, 11:01 AM
Also 1080p24 have weird framerate reported by mediainfo - 47,952 (inside all is ok), and players play this file at double speed.


My mediainfo does not report this problem in 1080p25 native
I've activated 25p native (I'm from France), and setup 32MB bitrate settings from your recommendations.

kiguar
06-09-2010, 11:21 AM
I have done some tests. I am sorry guys that I am not in a situation to upload it, but IQ is Amazing with capital A.
I thinking about crashing my piggie box served for 5DMKII.
Where to put money from there? You know for some R&D team?

Best of all is that there is no compression artifacts in darker part of images.

GrgurMG
06-09-2010, 11:23 AM
Wow, all this on the day I finally decided I'm keeping (not exchanging) my GH1.. quite nice. I'll begin testing asap and donating as soon as my paycheck clears ;)

Btw, is getting your hands on service software still high on the agenda Tester13?

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-09-2010, 11:44 AM
Btw, is getting your hands on service software still high on the agenda Tester13?

Yes, of course.
We badly need service software and Panasonic compilers.
Both parts are vital for our progress.

JerryB
06-09-2010, 12:28 PM
This is all great news (as everyone has already said). Will be donating come payday. Is there a patch for 720/24p that does not eliminate 1080/24p yet or is that still in the works? After video quality and framerate has been conquered (which seems to be coming quickly), if AGC gets disabled (if we're lucky video out), this camera will be a beast to be reckoned with for quite some time.

Has anyone tried calling (800) 211-7262? It is the phone number for the Panasonic Factory Service in Texas. Not sure if they would have information on service software and/or Panasonic compilers.

Thanks again for the great work everyone!!

Martin Koch
06-09-2010, 01:04 PM
Don't own a GH1 but was excited enough to donate $10:). Great work tester13!

dbwolfe
06-09-2010, 01:20 PM
so my GH1 has 1.32 already installed from Panasonic. I downloaded the ptool3.exe and moded the 1.32 to increase the AVCHD bitrate and saved the moded firmware as GH1__133.bin, copied it to the SD card but I can't get the camera to update once the SD card is installed. I've tried over and over, even using different version numbers for the moded firmware. nothing works. what am I doing wrong?

kiguar
06-09-2010, 01:24 PM
so my GH1 has 1.32 already installed from Panasonic. I downloaded the ptool3.exe and moded the 1.32 to increase the AVCHD bitrate and saved the moded firmware as GH1__133.bin, copied it to the SD card but I can't get the camera to update once the SD card is installed. I've tried over and over, even using different version numbers for the moded firmware. nothing works. what am I doing wrong?

battery charged full?
pressed play button?

jobless
06-09-2010, 01:26 PM
so my GH1 has 1.32 already installed from Panasonic. I downloaded the ptool3.exe and moded the 1.32 to increase the AVCHD bitrate and saved the moded firmware as GH1__133.bin, copied it to the SD card but I can't get the camera to update once the SD card is installed. I've tried over and over, even using different version numbers for the moded firmware. nothing works. what am I doing wrong?

Try on this page:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=212664

dbwolfe
06-09-2010, 01:31 PM
that did the trick, thank you.

Kholi
06-09-2010, 01:35 PM
So no pulldown required, clips are playing back in camera AND high bitrate 1080/24? Dang...

Can't believe how much progress in such short time.

Video Out during recording... where y'at!?

bumkicho
06-09-2010, 01:41 PM
So no pulldown required, clips are playing back in camera AND high bitrate 1080/24? Dang...

Can't believe how much progress in such short time.

Video Out during recording... where y'at!?

I don't think it plays back 1080p native 24fps footage.

svecher
06-09-2010, 02:18 PM
So no pulldown required, clips are playing back in camera AND high bitrate 1080/24? Dang...

Not quite. Your options are:
Main course: better 1080/24 AVCHD (not just higher bitrate, but improved algorithm too);
Side dish: "no pulldown" or "in-camera playback." Can't have both (yet), but Chef has something cooking.

rawdod
06-09-2010, 04:23 PM
Can someone please answer this question, I can't seem to find it answered on here 100%, when you deal with the 24p in 60i wrapper that the GH1 produces in the standard firmware, you have to deinterlace it in a special way, or else it is only 'mostly right' the main symptom I have seen is bleeding reds, I believe the wacky technique is called 'reinterlacing chroma' after deinterlacing. I just wanted to confirm, that with the AVCHD Native 24p patch here, that this isn't an issue. I am guessing, that if the encoded video isn't hitting whatever code does the interlacing, that it never hits the code that messes with the chroma during interlacing either? Can someone confirm this for me?

More information on the reinterlace chroma with jes deinterlacer here:
http://dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=195677

GMC
06-09-2010, 04:40 PM
Can someone please answer this question, I can't seem to find it answered on here 100%, when you deal with the 24p in 60i wrapper that the GH1 produces in the standard firmware, you have to deinterlace it in a special way, or else it is only 'mostly right' the main symptom I have seen is bleeding reds, I believe the wacky technique is called 'reinterlacing chroma' after deinterlacing. I just wanted to confirm, that with the AVCHD Native 24p patch here, that this isn't an issue. I am guessing, that if the encoded video isn't hitting whatever code does the interlacing, that it never hits the code that messes with the chroma during interlacing either? Can someone confirm this for me?

More information on the reinterlace chroma with jes deinterlacer here:
http://dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=195677

Can't confirm this. See my post on the other "AVCHD mud free" thread.

pianoboy
06-09-2010, 05:55 PM
Just donated... I haven't had time to do any testing, but am looking forward to trying it out. Great work tester13 and all the guys testing this!!!

svecher
06-09-2010, 05:58 PM
Also 1080p24 have weird framerate reported by mediainfo - 47,952 (inside all is ok), and players play this file at double speed.
But 720p24 reports correct framerate and plays fine.
Interestingly, examining the footage jobless posted here (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2012634&postcount=1)
Elecard AVC Player reports 10 seconds length for unpatched clip and 40 seconds for the patched one. Real length is 11 seconds. StreamEye reports 11 seconds. Perhaps some funky setting gets written into transport stream headers that non-low levels tools misinterpret? Anyone know any good MPEG2 analysis tools?

rawdod
06-09-2010, 06:10 PM
Just as some more information, not sure if its usefull.. maybe a clue... I am a linux user, and if I play back some of these neat new mud free MTS file with mplayer, it has to "guess" the framerate (cant recall if this happens on normal MTS files or not), however, it plays back perfectly.. (crazy perfect unbelievable) but I get this message:

Software Playback:

[h264 @ 0x7faa51a12840]Too many slices, increase MAX_SLICES and recompile

VDPAU Playback:

[h264_vdpau @ 0x7f5d98e3f840]Too many slices, increase MAX_SLICES and recompile

lvlinux
06-09-2010, 07:10 PM
Same here. I'm running Linux and mplayer as well. I think the MAX_SLICES have to do with the software decoder, rather than something in the file, but I'm not sure.

PDR
06-09-2010, 07:49 PM
Same here. I'm running Linux and mplayer as well. I think the MAX_SLICES have to do with the software decoder, rather than something in the file, but I'm not sure.


It has to do with both. MAX_SLICES defines the maximum slices supported by the libavcodec h.264 decoder, and by default the value will be set to 16. However, these modified files use 22 slices which exceeds 16. You could recompile it and specify a different value

Increasing the # slices/frame will decrease quality because predictive data will be cut off at slice boundaries, so I'm not sure if using 22 slices was a deliberate or necessary decision to increase the bitrate. Certainly the results look to be much better than default and promising

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-09-2010, 09:05 PM
Just found Panasonic working evaluation compilers and IDE (MN103S version required).

http://www.semicon.panasonic.co.jp/e-micom/debugfactory/DFDLBuilder2.php (http://www.semicon.panasonic.co.jp/e-micom/debugfactory/DFDLBuilder2.php)


Next we need to find Panasonic Tatsujin adjustment software.
So, if anyone have access to service centers or know someone, help us.
It'll be kept in private and used for development only. No leaks.

Blucross
06-09-2010, 10:48 PM
Tester13, I sent you a PM regarding the Tatsujin Adjustment Software request.

Bishaway
06-09-2010, 11:20 PM
So I've done some testing and it seems that if I change the audio encoding bps, I am unable to review the footage in camera.

I tested with everything unchecked and with some (native, bitrate increases etc)

can anyone else confirm this?

dbwolfe
06-09-2010, 11:34 PM
yes, I can confirm. I hadn't even messed with the firmware hacks until today. I was only interested in upping the AVCHD video and audio bitrate so that's what I did. changing the audio to anything but the default 192 causes the footage to not playback in camera. I was under the assumption that only 1080p24 native wouldn't play back in camera but changing the audio doesn't work either. bummer.

farfromsubtle
06-10-2010, 12:59 AM
Can someone summarize what this will do applied to a GF1? Since it uses the GH1 firmware will it allow manual aperture for video recording?

Also, are there special instructions for applying this to a GF1?

GrgurMG
06-10-2010, 01:30 AM
Just started messing around with the MJPEG patches. Did the general MJPEG size patch get replaced by the restrained MJPEG 1280 > 1920 or am I missing something?

By tomorrow I'll try to have some test screen shots comparing the apparent resolution/fidelity differences between 720pMJPEG, 1080pMJPEG (scaled720?), and 1080pAVHD.

abasfly
06-10-2010, 01:42 AM
Can someone summarize what this will do applied to a GF1? Since it uses the GH1 firmware will it allow manual aperture for video recording?

Also, are there special instructions for applying this to a GF1?

Load the gf1 firmware on the ptool found on the first page and you will see the firmware mods for the gf1, there is no manual video yet because there are other priorities but the working patches has been added.
30 min limit (for pal)
ntsc to pal ...
battery
and much more

try it to see for your self

richinjapan
06-10-2010, 03:40 AM
Hi guys, just picked up my GF1 here in Japan (found a great deal, and Panasonic is even offering cash back!). Anyway, I'm ecstatic that there's a hack to change the interface language, and if it works I'll be more than happy to donate to the cause.

One quick question though: Which version of the firmware should I use the Ptool on: The Japanese firmware (camera was bought in Japan), or the English-language firmware? I didn't know if English would be included in the Japanese firmware, or if flashing with a different region's firmware would brick my camera.

Thanks!

jobless
06-10-2010, 06:08 AM
Hi Tester13,
I got one question. Is it possible to have limiting bitrate adjustment but for static scenes. In other words, to push bitrate up when nothing change in the scene.
I noted that in scene with a tripod average size per p frame is 38976 kb with D settings and without patch average is betwean 40000 and 42000 kb,
http://www.nikolicnemanja.com/static.jpg

and in the Hidetailed scene with movements is 195000 kb
http://www.nikolicnemanja.com/moving.jpg

Thanks

tyampel
06-10-2010, 07:03 AM
Hi guys, just picked up my GF1 here in Japan (found a great deal, and Panasonic is even offering cash back!). Anyway, I'm ecstatic that there's a hack to change the interface language, and if it works I'll be more than happy to donate to the cause.

One quick question though: Which version of the firmware should I use the Ptool on: The Japanese firmware (camera was bought in Japan), or the English-language firmware? I didn't know if English would be included in the Japanese firmware, or if flashing with a different region's firmware would brick my camera.

Thanks!

As far as I know the firmware is the same for all regions and contains all languages.
It is just a setting that controls the default language and the Ptool patches that.

So load the firmware for GF1 and let Ptool sort it out for you by selecting English.

Good luck.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 07:20 AM
PTool 3.35 Updated without version change.

AVCHD bitrate adjustment patches fully ported to GF1.
Added three suggested values to help hints, so ordinary users do not need to search thread.
Video buffer top adjustment increased.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 07:23 AM
Hi Tester13,
I got one question. Is it possible to have limiting bitrate adjustment but for static scenes. In other words, to push bitrate up when nothing change in the scene.
I noted that in scene with a tripod average size per p frame is 38976 kb with D settings and without patch average is betwean 40000 and 42000 kb,
and in the Hidetailed scene with movements is 195000 kb

Please read my explanation of mud, it contains description why P frame sizes are small in static shots. We do not want to increase P frame sizes in static shots, but I frame sizes.
With time we'll understand AVCHD implementation better and, may be, will be able to do this.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 07:25 AM
Just started messing around with the MJPEG patches. Did the general MJPEG size patch get replaced by the restrained MJPEG 1280 > 1920 or am I missing something?


Yes, it is replaced.

abasfly
06-10-2010, 08:39 AM
PTool 3.35 Updated without version change.

AVCHD bitrate adjustment patches fully ported to GF1.
Added three suggested values to help hints, so ordinary users do not need to search thread.
Video buffer top adjustment increased.

wonderful, Iīm testing the c setting, (charging the battery) I was wondering if you knew the shutter speed in witch the pal GF1 records video (or is it arbitrary) with that I would be able to have an idea of the iso the camera is dialing.

this is a total game changer
thanks

svecher
06-10-2010, 08:55 AM
PTool 3.35 Updated without version change.

Added three suggested values to help hints, so ordinary users do not need to search thread. Video buffer top adjustment increased.
These are very helpful. I see that Video Buffer c) setting is same as b) (40.000.000). Is that right?

GrgurMG
06-10-2010, 12:52 PM
Just incase there was any doubt about it being upscaled 720p, I ran some some chart tests on the 1080p MJPEG mode. All stills are 1080 off camera or 720 smooth bicubic upscaled to match, then all images cropped back down to 720. Some of the tests were a bit redundant, for instance there was no expected change in AVCHD unpatched and patched, but it's there for posterity.

1) AVCHD 1080p Unpatched

2) AVCHD 720p Unpatched

3) MJPEG 720p Unpatched

4) AVCHD 1080p Patched
VidBuff: 40 VidRate: 32000000
OverRate: 35000000 Limit Rate: 40000000

5) MJPEG 1080p Patch (2 Takes)
MJPEG Size 1080 -> 1920
MJPEG Encoder 1080 -> 1920
MJPEG Quality: 720>512>428>400
MJPEG Table: 24>24>24>24

Zipped Stills:
www.jerseyforged.com/sampleclips/MJPEG1080/1080p_Compared.zip (http://www.jerseyforged.com/sampleclips/MJPEG1080/1080p_Compared.zip)

When switching back and fourth you can clearly see the increase in sharpness/detail in the native/AVCHD 1080p shots... although the MJPEG pre-encode-upscaled 1080p is still a small magnitude sharper then the native 720p.

AVCHD 1080p vs MJPEG 1080p:

http://www.jerseyforged.com/sampleclips/MJPEG1080/1080sCompared.png

Mind you, the increased sharpness in MJPEG 1080 is a tradeoff with squeezing more resolution into a given bitrate. In this example, the abundance of test frame is low detail (as was most of what I croppped out) and the bitrate was set to "100mbps then stall" settings. So you expect to get sharper results, but with more jpeg compression in more detailed scenes. Even this shot clearly has more compression artifacts vs the AVCHD.

testdasi
06-10-2010, 12:54 PM
Quick question guys.
I have a PAL GH1 and tried out the PAL -> NTSC patch. Now I'm repatching to latest version and want to do PAL, do I need to tick the NTSC -> PAL?

tyampel
06-10-2010, 01:42 PM
Quick question guys.
I have a PAL GH1 and tried out the PAL -> NTSC patch. Now I'm repatching to latest version and want to do PAL, do I need to tick the NTSC -> PAL?

I would say yes. It won't hurt it in any case.

Good luck.

Lexcalcin
06-10-2010, 02:09 PM
Quick question guys.
I have a PAL GH1 and tried out the PAL -> NTSC patch. Now I'm repatching to latest version and want to do PAL, do I need to tick the NTSC -> PAL?
I did it (GH1 pal from france) and it works in both cases, you can switch at will.

John Caballero
06-10-2010, 02:23 PM
When you switch the camera to PAL you get 25 FPS NATIVE frames with no wrapper right? And the 720p goes to 50 frames which is easier to covert to 24p NTSC footage, right?

sirk
06-10-2010, 03:17 PM
Just incase there was any doubt about it being upscaled 720p, I ran some some chart tests on the 1080p MJPEG mode. All stills are 1080 off camera or 720 smooth bicubic upscaled to match, then all images cropped back down to 720. Some of the tests were a bit redundant, for instance there was no expected change in AVCHD unpatched and patched, but it's there for posterity.


AVCHD IQ looks incredible compared to MJPEG. I'm getting fucking crazy on this thread...

drcoffee2
06-10-2010, 03:20 PM
GrgurMG (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=62176)

Great job on the test chart. I think you might have missed the AVCHD 1080p patched still out of the zip, or miss named the file, as it says MJPEG on the image. Cheers Jon

GrgurMG
06-10-2010, 03:56 PM
GrgurMG (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=62176)

Great job on the test chart. I think you might have missed the AVCHD 1080p patched still out of the zip, or miss named the file, as it says MJPEG on the image. Cheers Jon


Erg, yeah I did, thanks. I think I had to do that one over again and I forgot to change the MJPEG to AVCHD.. the Mbps is right though ;)

Maybe I'll fix it when I get home.



----- Update ------

Fixed.

Kholi
06-10-2010, 06:34 PM
Just incase there was any doubt about it being upscaled 720p, I ran some some chart tests on the 1080p MJPEG mode. All stills are 1080 off camera or 720 smooth bicubic upscaled to match, then all images cropped back down to 720. Some of the tests were a bit redundant, for instance there was no expected change in AVCHD unpatched and patched, but it's there for posterity.

1) AVCHD 1080p Unpatched

2) AVCHD 720p Unpatched

3) MJPEG 720p Unpatched

4) AVCHD 1080p Patched
VidBuff: 40 VidRate: 32000000
OverRate: 35000000 Limit Rate: 40000000

5) MJPEG 1080p Patch (2 Takes)
MJPEG Size 1080 -> 1920
MJPEG Encoder 1080 -> 1920
MJPEG Quality: 720>512>428>400
MJPEG Table: 24>24>24>24

Zipped Stills:
www.jerseyforged.com/sampleclips/MJPEG1080/1080p_Compared.zip (http://www.jerseyforged.com/sampleclips/MJPEG1080/1080p_Compared.zip)

When switching back and fourth you can clearly see the increase in sharpness/detail in the native/AVCHD 1080p shots... although the MJPEG pre-encode-upscaled 1080p is still a small magnitude sharper then the native 720p.

AVCHD 1080p vs MJPEG 1080p:

http://www.jerseyforged.com/sampleclips/MJPEG1080/1080sCompared.png

Mind you, the increased sharpness in MJPEG 1080 is a tradeoff with squeezing more resolution into a given bitrate. In this example, the abundance of test frame is low detail (as was most of what I croppped out) and the bitrate was set to "100mbps then stall" settings. So you expect to get sharper results, but with more jpeg compression in more detailed scenes. Even this shot clearly has more compression artifacts vs the AVCHD.

Here's what I'm noticing about that chart, and maybe we just need to see another resolution chart with the same comparison: the AVC-HD exhibits more aliasing than the Photo JPEG material.

Is that just me?

ChipG
06-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Time to get those fine striped shirts out that everyone burned.

GrgurMG
06-10-2010, 07:09 PM
Here's what I'm noticing about that chart, and maybe we just need to see another resolution chart with the same comparison: the AVC-HD exhibits more aliasing than the Photo JPEG material.

Is that just me?

Hrm, well.. for starters there could be differences is how the sensor is aligning with the chart in each shot, which could cause abnormalities. Even though I was being careful with the tripod... pretty much stepping on the ground near it would cause a change in the fine line distortions. Also, obviously the MJPEG is conciderably softer since it's upressed in camera, so the AVCHD has more fine detail to exhibit aliasing on.

philip bloom
06-10-2010, 07:09 PM
wonderful Job Tester 13...my gh1 is now out of the dusty cupboard and back in my hands!

pianoboy
06-10-2010, 07:10 PM
I noticed that too... in the circles at the top corners, the AVCHD lines seem to go curvy towards the center, while the MJPEG lines stay straight.

alignment1
06-10-2010, 07:42 PM
has anyone had any success w/ a class 4 card?? (16GB Sandisk Ultra II Class4 15mb/s)

I just want a slightly higher bitrate and native 24p 720/1080--I guess it depends on scene detail eh??

Z

bumkicho
06-10-2010, 07:48 PM
I only have class 4 cards. I have no problem using higher bit avchd.

alignment1
06-10-2010, 08:07 PM
I only have class 4 cards. I have no problem using higher bit avchd.
GREAT--
next question- I downloaded Winebottler to run windows on osx. when I download Ptool- do I have to do anything special to get it to open- or do I just click on it or something??

I tried running 'Crystal Disk Mark' to test disk speed but kept getting errors trying to install/open it.


Any Help Please:dankk2:

Kholi
06-10-2010, 08:25 PM
Hrm, well.. for starters there could be differences is how the sensor is aligning with the chart in each shot, which could cause abnormalities. Even though I was being careful with the tripod... pretty much stepping on the ground near it would cause a change in the fine line distortions. Also, obviously the MJPEG is conciderably softer since it's upressed in camera, so the AVCHD has more fine detail to exhibit aliasing on.

Ah that would be a flub if so. Thanks for showing, either way. I love how the AVCHD 1080/24 stuff looks, can't wait for Photo JPEG 1080/24 to hit, and then the video out.

Looking for my GH-1 right now.

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 08:30 PM
Okay, I just loaded up PTool using the "D" settings, but I modified the buffer to be 60, so it's as big as the maximum bitrate. Then I took it to the forest/lake park with some ducks. Shot a whole bunch of 1080/24p native mode. It's absolutely awesome. This patch is the real deal, and I totally love that there's no pulldown! I shot scenes that the GH1 has choked on before, including high-shutter speed fast pans past a forest of pine trees, and the new "D" settings handled it just fine. It's much sharper than it ever was before.

I also tried the MJPG patch, but I can only get a couple of seconds of recording before there was a card write speed error message. Using a Lexar Platinum card, which is only rated at Class 6 but CrystalDiskMark rates it at 9.7 megabytes/sec. MJPG wasn't really useful at this point. I'll have to get a Lexar Professional card to do more testing.

The AVCHD mode did run into a write-speed problem once, but only once out of 30 clips.

I also shot a chart; I'll report back on that after evaluating the footage.

Kholi
06-10-2010, 08:32 PM
Okay, I just loaded up PTool using the "D" settings, but I modified the buffer to be 60, so it's as big as the maximum bitrate. Then I took it to the forest/lake park with some ducks. Shot a whole bunch of 1080/24p native mode. It's absolutely awesome. This patch is the real deal, and I totally love that there's no pulldown! I shot scenes that the GH1 has choked on before, including high-shutter speed fast pans past a forest of pine trees, and the new "D" settings handled it just fine. It's much sharper than it ever was before.

ABout time! You took too long! Please up some stuff. :D Thanks for going out into the field and reporting.



I also tried the MJPG patch, but I can only get a couple of seconds of recording before there was a card write speed error message. Using a Lexar Platinum card, which is only rated at Class 6 but CrystalDiskMark rates it at 9.7 megabytes/sec. MJPG wasn't really useful at this point. I'll have to get a Lexar Professional card to do more testing.

Okay, so basically when I get a GH-1 again, I need to grip two of the highest class cards out there. Good to know.



The AVCHD mode did run into a write-speed problem once, but only once out of 30 clips.

I also shot a chart; I'll report back on that after evaluating the footage.


Thanks Barry_G. Can you do an MJPEG vs AVCHD test for moire/aliasing? Something quick and obvious?

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 09:05 PM
Here's what I'm noticing about that chart, and maybe we just need to see another resolution chart with the same comparison: the AVC-HD exhibits more aliasing than the Photo JPEG material.

Is that just me?
Yes, it's just you -- because shooting the same chart, there's not a doubt in my mind that the AVCHD is a far more "correct" representation of the image. The MJPG looks to be some sort of uprez.

I'll show you just a bit of what I'm talking about, the central section of the chart with the concentric circles. All you should see are concentric circles, but you'll see that there's a weird scaling pattern in the 1080 MJPG.
http://dvxuser.com/barry/GH1-MJPG-vs-AVCHD-circles.jpg

For my money, it's AVCHD for the win. It's already 24p, and the 1080 is better "real" 1080 rather than a scaled 720p MJPG image that's running at 30p.

tester13, I apologize for suggesting that you should forget AVCHD and focus on MJPG. You didn't give up, and you came out with a breakthrough patch that is totally fantastic. I am now officially switching sides, and saying AVCHD for the win. It looks incredible, and it's already at 24fps, and it's native 24p. Well done!

bumkicho
06-10-2010, 09:07 PM
wonderful Job Tester 13...my gh1 is now out of the dusty cupboard and back in my hands!

Good to see it found its way back into your hands. Hope to see a video or two from you with this new patch.

e-steve
06-10-2010, 09:08 PM
The excitement is clearly building with Barry and Philip getting into the action!!

Awesome work guys.

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 09:11 PM
ABout time! You took too long! Please up some stuff. :D Thanks for going out into the field and reporting.
I can't tell you just how good these ducks look. I remember being so flummoxed by the seagulls I videod, some of them looked pretty good and some were mushy, and I had to wrestle with the sharpness and contrast to try to get any detail on them. Well, let's just say that it ain't that way with the ducks!


Okay, so basically when I get a GH-1 again, I need to grip two of the highest class cards out there. Good to know.
I'm already searching the online tests. It's leading me towards the Lexar Professional, until the new Fuji cards drop in November.


Thanks Barry_G. Can you do an MJPEG vs AVCHD test for moire/aliasing? Something quick and obvious?
Can't do a fully proper one until I get a faster card that'll support more than a second or two. But right now, as of what I've already shot, I don't really see much a point in continuing with the MJPG.

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 09:13 PM
The excitement is clearly building with Barry and Philip getting into the action!!
Well, for me, it's a case of a window of time opening up, combined with a perfect storm of the patch hitting the right note at exactly the right time.

The AVCHD patch is so significant. It erases the quality gulf between the Canon and the GH1 as far as the compression goes. It's a whole new camera. And it's a really, really, really good camera!

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 09:14 PM
I think we should just start calling it a GH2.

In fact, I just made a $200 donation, hopefully that shows how much I think of the improvement in this camera!

PappasArts
06-10-2010, 09:15 PM
Can't do a fully proper one until I get a faster card that'll support more than a second or two. But right now, as of what I've already shot, I don't really see much a point in continuing with the MJPG.


Are you sure? Mjpeg at 70mbit on 720P is gorgeous, and different than AVCHD. They just look different!


Pappas

bumkicho
06-10-2010, 09:16 PM
It's a whole new camera. And it's a really, really, really good camera!

+1!!! Thanks for that chart test, Barry.

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 09:18 PM
Are you sure? Mjpeg at 70mbit on 720P is gorgeous, and different than AVCHD. They just look different!
Pappas
What exact settings are you using? Let me try those, but it sure looks to me like it's uprezzed 720p...

John Caballero
06-10-2010, 09:18 PM
Are you sure? Mjpeg at 70mbit on 720P is gorgeous, and different than AVCHD. They just look different!

I think the mjpeg should stay at 720p with the higher bitrate and at 24 FPS. That should be excellent for it.

anthonybsd
06-10-2010, 09:18 PM
Wow. I love you guys.. So much. I just did a "Foliage of death" test in low light @ISO 800 & ISO 1600 with D-settings (average reported rate was 35mbps) . Vertical lines are present but "mud" is very minimal. On 100/200/400 ISO no matter how crazy I pan the thing(down to stressing my vestibular system), I can't get it to fall apart even at 1000 shutter speeds.

Car3o
06-10-2010, 09:19 PM
Okay, I just loaded up PTool using the "D" settings, but I modified the buffer to be 60, so it's as big as the maximum bitrate. Then I took it to the forest/lake park with some ducks. Shot a whole bunch of 1080/24p native mode. It's absolutely awesome. This patch is the real deal, and I totally love that there's no pulldown! I shot scenes that the GH1 has choked on before, including high-shutter speed fast pans past a forest of pine trees, and the new "D" settings handled it just fine. It's much sharper than it ever was before.

I also tried the MJPG patch, but I can only get a couple of seconds of recording before there was a card write speed error message. Using a Lexar Platinum card, which is only rated at Class 6 but CrystalDiskMark rates it at 9.7 megabytes/sec. MJPG wasn't really useful at this point. I'll have to get a Lexar Professional card to do more testing.

The AVCHD mode did run into a write-speed problem once, but only once out of 30 clips.

I also shot a chart; I'll report back on that after evaluating the footage.

can you post your exact settings?

dcloud
06-10-2010, 09:27 PM
I guess best choice is to top avchd at 50 mbps like the canon cams

GrgurMG
06-10-2010, 10:03 PM
I'll show you just a bit of what I'm talking about, the central section of the chart with the concentric circles.

Damn, that's what my chart was missing.. good ole' concentric circles ;)

sam rides a mtb
06-10-2010, 10:10 PM
havent patched my gh1 yet, though have been using the Panasonic Gold class 10 cards and have been amazed at the 22+ Mb/sec read speed when copying files off it to my pc. will have to do some write speed tests soon. got the 16GB one at j&r for $71 though its now going for a bit more. have seen the 8GB one for $30. just got a Transcend 8GB class 10 card and it reads at about the same rate as the Panasonic. cant wait to patch my cam for the higher bitrate.

on a side note, a little birdie told me that Animal Planet had planned to use the GH1 for the filming of one of their current series, though held back due to the codec issue. bet this improvement will make them reconsider for future shoots and perhaps lead to more professionals adapting this camera for serious work. some exciting times!

RandyQ
06-10-2010, 10:11 PM
Folks,
I think we should allocate some of the funds we have already collected and buy Tester13 and the fellows who helped a couple of beers. They sure deserve it.

anthonybsd
06-10-2010, 10:18 PM
Folks,
I think we should allocate some of the funds we have already collected and buy Tester13 and the fellows who helped a couple of beers. They sure deserve it.

Agree wholeheartedly.

GrgurMG
06-10-2010, 10:20 PM
And the funs not over yet, plenty of features on the drawing board and plenty of testing to do.

Speaking of testing, awesome AVCHD aside, do we have any real insight into those m4 settings yet? Want to proceed with testing, but some perspective would help.

anthonybsd
06-10-2010, 10:25 PM
I've been playing with this thing hack all day. Wow. If I ever meet tester13 he's got my open tab at the drinking establishment of his choice in NYC.

On "mud":
http://www.vimeo.com/12477351
look around 0:53

Used "D" settings and shot interlaced 1080p24 AVCHD. Got some mud to surface at ISO800/1600. Just shows you how solid codec and hardware are no match for inept camera operator.

Kholi
06-10-2010, 10:30 PM
LOL! You guys are crazy!

A year ago we would've been like "Stop waving the damned thing around!" And now everyone's whipping it like crazy.

I love it. GH-1 rebrith!

GAWD I feel like I'm looking through a dirty window while you guys party inside. =[

Need GH-1 STAT.

Luis Caffesse
06-10-2010, 10:31 PM
GAWD I feel like I'm looking through a dirty window while you guys party inside. =[
Haha.

Looking at that footage I feel like that dirty window just got cleaned off.
:)

Ken Steadman
06-10-2010, 10:37 PM
A couple of thoughts...

At what point are we going to hear something from panasonic people?

Is this going to delay the release of the GH2, I'm betting the patched GH1 is much better than the current GH2 sitting on the R&D bench?
Makes me think they need to rethink the GH2 development program to make it a significant upgrade.

Isaac_Brody
06-10-2010, 10:39 PM
Makes me think they need to rethink the GH2 development program to make it a significant upgrade.

Or perhaps not handicap the AVCHD implementation...

sam rides a mtb
06-10-2010, 10:41 PM
pretty stoked at the progression that has taken place recently. have mostly shot at 720 60p with my gh1 as i like to slow footage down at times. have had no issues with the 1080 24p being wrapped in 60i for extra resolution when i know i wont be slowing the footage down. now plan to up the bitrate thanks to tester13 and all the others that helped make this possible and will gladly donate to the effort.

not to get too greedy, though this has got me wondering if there is any chance for 1080 60p in the future for the GH1? surely this demands greater bitrate, though that doesnt seem to be as much of an obstacle any more. would be great if it was with the avc codec, too, as opposed to the mjpeg codec to keep file size a bit more manageable. perhaps this has been asked already.. just didnt come across it, though must admit i have been spending a lot of time on these forums lately :)

sam rides a mtb
06-10-2010, 10:43 PM
A couple of thoughts...

At what point are we going to hear something from panasonic people?

Is this going to delay the release of the GH2, I'm betting the patched GH1 is much better than the current GH2 sitting on the R&D bench?
Makes me think they need to rethink the GH2 development program to make it a significant upgrade.


quoting myself from the GH2 thread:

in all actuality, this is good for panasonic. this improvement in the already amazing camera has only turned more people onto their camera(s). just look at how many people have been admiring this camera and saying that they plan to keep it now more than ever. if panasonic frowns at this, they are only hurting themselves. think about this: if you made a product that was pretty good and you sold so many, even had trouble keeping them in stock, then other companies came out with newer products to compete with yours, then the people who bought your product found a way to make the product better than all the newer ones coming out at no cost to you, which in turn helped sell more of the camera, you would probably be pretty happy, even as a profit driven corporation. they would be silly to see this as a bad thing, imo.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 10:44 PM
And the funs not over yet, plenty of features on the drawing board and plenty of testing to do.

Speaking of testing, awesome AVCHD aside, do we have any real insight into those m4 settings yet? Want to proceed with testing, but some perspective would help.

Not really.
800sh constants seem to be related to amplification or binning settings.
Large constants define sensor size readout parameters.

butler360
06-10-2010, 10:48 PM
Is there any benefit to patched 1080P/24 native, bitrate-wise, versus 1080/60i? If not, if you're editing with CS5 it would seem like high-bitrate 1080/60i would offer best of both worlds: In-camera playback and 24P editing.

Car3o
06-10-2010, 10:50 PM
Is there any benefit to patch 1080P/24 native, bitrate-wise, versus 1080/60i? If not, if you're editing with CS5 it would seem like high-bitrate 1080/60i would offer best of both worlds: In-camera playback and 24P editing.

how does cs5 benefit editing 1080/60i?

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 10:52 PM
A couple of thoughts...
At what point are we going to hear something from panasonic people?

I hope, soon :-)
The sooner the better.
They clearly are watching for long time.
But decision to participate is not made yet.


Is this going to delay the release of the GH2, I'm betting the patched GH1 is much better than the current GH2 sitting on the R&D bench?
Makes me think they need to rethink the GH2 development program to make it a significant upgrade.

GH2 must be better.
But I am quite scared that we still do not see new LSI.
Only option seems to take one from TM700.

To be really good we need GH2 to have:
New sensor with much improved speed.
New LSI with better AVCHD implementetion.
Really good, manually controlled audio.

mpgxsvcd
06-10-2010, 10:54 PM
I am very interested in updating my GF1 with the new changes. However, I want to make sure that you can revert back to the original firmware. Will it let you reload firmware with an older version number or do you just have to make new firmware that has nothing applied to it?

Thanks to everyone who has worked on this. I plan on shooting a ton of indoor video this weekend. I will shoot with it unpatched at first and then shoot patched later to compare the two.

butler360
06-10-2010, 10:55 PM
how does cs5 benefit editing 1080/60i?

Doesn't require pulldown step, it does it automatically when dropped onto a 24P timeline.

Car3o
06-10-2010, 10:57 PM
can you show documentation? i didn't see this feature and haven't heard anyone mention it either.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 10:59 PM
Is there any benefit to patched 1080P/24 native, bitrate-wise, versus 1080/60i? If not, if you're editing with CS5 it would seem like high-bitrate 1080/60i would offer best of both worlds: In-camera playback and 24P editing.

Generally I find bitrate to be higher for 60i, as we have longer GOP, more P frames. And main improvements of current patch lies in P frames size.

butler360
06-10-2010, 11:00 PM
Sam said the same thing in the thread I originally asked the question in here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=210003&page=2

Car3o
06-10-2010, 11:00 PM
I am very interested in updating my GF1 with the new changes. However, I want to make sure that you can revert back to the original firmware. Will it let you reload firmware with an older version number or do you just have to make new firmware that has nothing applied to it?

Thanks to everyone who has worked on this. I plan on shooting a ton of indoor video this weekend. I will shoot with it unpatched at first and then shoot patched later to compare the two.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=212263

butler360
06-10-2010, 11:01 PM
Generally I find bitrate to be higher for 60i, as we have longer GOP, more P frames. And main improvements of current patch lies in P frames size.

So leaving 24P native unchecked is really the best way to go?

Luis Caffesse
06-10-2010, 11:02 PM
To be really good we need GH2 to have:
New sensor with much improved speed.
New LSI with better AVCHD implementetion.
Really good, manually controlled audio.

I completely agree - at that point though it seems that we'd be talking about the AF100, doesn't it?

Though I agree, a GH2 with those specs would sell like hot cakes.

Ozpeter
06-10-2010, 11:03 PM
I mentioned traffic testing earlier (before/after of cars passing at a likely constant speed). Another thought - a shot (close) of an object on a rotating record turntable, before and after. This would be likely to be indoors so low light would be an interesting extra element. Something absolutely scientific would be good to see, so nobody can say the playing field wasn't level.

The worst example of mud I've personally ever seen from my own footage was doing a follow pan on close passing traffic. Not only was the background muddy but the cars relatively static in the frame were rendered "impressionist". Another interesting before/after test there.

Yes, I should try stuff myself. But I'll have to get a faster card first - and donate!

Car3o
06-10-2010, 11:03 PM
Well that's exciting news. i can leave my 24p patch unchecked and just drop it into premiere. i never knew that. thanks.

tester13 edit: Could you please add this to FAQ?

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 11:04 PM
Okay, one last tidbit for you folks -- the 24pN footage plays on a blu-ray player! It doesn't play back in camera, but it sure did when I put it in my blu-ray and played it on my 67" DLP TV. It will probably work from a PS3 as well.

Now, with that said, I have 30 clips that look pretty much amazingly fantastic, and one that's glitchy (pulsing fuzzy every half second). This thread isn't about glowing results, it's about research and fixing things, so I'll post the glitchy clip in this thread for tester13 to evaluate; any further discussion of great footage should take place in the other "mud free" thread.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 11:08 PM
not to get too greedy, though this has got me wondering if there is any chance for 1080 60p in the future for the GH1? surely this demands greater bitrate, though that doesnt seem to be as much of an obstacle any more.

No, no chance.
We have some illusory chanse to use sensore mode 1 for MJPEG encoding to get about 2500x880 resolution at 30fps.
I don't know if this have any advantage for filming pros.

sam rides a mtb
06-10-2010, 11:12 PM
No, no chance.
We have some illusory chanse to use sensore mode 1 for MJPEG encoding to get about 2500x880 resolution at 30fps.
I don't know if this have any advantage for filming pros.

if we are able to get higher resolutions, then we could use the digital zoom feature in the camera (2x and 4x options available in menu) to increase our focal length with less of a loss in final quality. even if we didnt use the in-camera digital zoom, it would allow cropping is post production.

too bad about the increased (60p) framerate in 1080 mode... :( who knows though what may be discovered down the road

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-10-2010, 11:20 PM
wonderful Job Tester 13...my gh1 is now out of the dusty cupboard and back in my hands!

Thanks.
I really appreciate for your work on DSLR usage in filming.
But suggest not to use Andrew Raid materials on your site, like current one.
ask any of our active testers or Barry Green if you want fast qualified answer.
Andrew material is just 33% copy&paste, 33% looks like useless, 33% holy crap. Like all this MJPEG 1920 true resolution :-) He is not accurate and no one really thrusts his opinion. And if anyone thrusts it is usially Andrew himself under different nickname (I remember like 5 or 6).

GrgurMG
06-10-2010, 11:20 PM
To be really good we need GH2 to have:
New sensor with much improved speed.
New LSI with better AVCHD implementetion.
Really good, manually controlled audio.



I am thoroughly expecting some improved banding supression. Also, I used to own a TM700 before I exchanged it up for a GH1... 1080p60p for the GH2 seems like an obvious selling point to shoot for... outdoor shots looked fantastic on the TM700.. and that was 60p only at 28mbps AVCHD. Might of even concidered keeping the TM if it wasn't for the lack of manual control.

Also, I might expect improvement in areas such as video autofocus and such... so long story short there's plenty of avenues for improvement to make the GH2 worthwild. Even if they improve on all those other areas and still crap out on the compression routines... it'll still be okay because you can expect a slew of donations on your future GH2 patch thread ;)

PappasArts
06-10-2010, 11:26 PM
What exact settings are you using? Let me try those, but it sure looks to me like it's uprezzed 720p...

I'm getting top bit rates of 80Mbits on 720P footage with 512.352.220.200 on class 10 cards

80Mbits 720 is better than 50Mbits 1080. The bottle neck isn't my cards. 1080 for some reason can't do 80mbits, however 720 has worked flawless for me. My 720P footage looks great. I think the buffer settings might be wrong on the 1080 Mjpeg patch. The GH1 has no issue writing 70 to 80mbits to a class ten. However when it's a 1080 frame and not a 720 at the same Mbits bandwidth, the camera stops stops on the 1080 of the same material after a few seconds while the 720 just goes and goes with the same test shot and mbits. Weird....

Also if you load a lower 50ishmbits code, the 720 performs as it does, however still the 1080 can't do it. If you keep your 1080 at 50mbits and not higher it will record forever. Which makes me think its the 1080 patch that is causing some error.

I feel Mjpeg is very much worth its research. I believe both have great value to production.

Pappas

Bishaway
06-10-2010, 11:26 PM
I have been trying find the "d" settings that Barry and a few others have talked about, could someone direct me to it..spent and hour searching here and can't find it.

I've been testing with B settings but also interested how you can push the buffer to 60? (as the current ptool is only drop down max to 40)

Car3o
06-10-2010, 11:33 PM
I have been trying find the "d" settings that Barry and a few others have talked about, could someone direct me to it..spent and hour searching here and can't find it.

I've been testing with B settings but also interested how you can push the buffer to 60? (as the current ptool is only drop down max to 40)

+1. I'd like to add this to the FAQ.

Car3o
06-10-2010, 11:36 PM
Well that's exciting news. i can leave my 24p patch unchecked and just drop it into premiere. i never knew that. thanks.

tester13 edit: Could you please add this to FAQ?

Added to FAQ. Also FAQ has been updated. Please advise if something needs to be changed.

ChipG
06-10-2010, 11:36 PM
As a Panasonic share holder (lost my ass) I'd like to thank Panasonic for giving this entire DSLR market away when it was theirs from day 1.

Tester13 should be paid big money from them as a consultant. This is really good stuff, thanks Tester13!

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 11:38 PM
I'm getting top bit rates of 80Mbits on 720P footage with 512.352.220.200 on class 10 cards
Thanks for that. I'm ordering a proper Class 10 card and will try it when it arrives.


My 720P footage looks great.
Okay, this might explain it all then. I was using the 1080p MJPG, which in my opinion, based on what I've shot, looks like an artifact-filled uprez from the 720p. Like it scans 720p, then uprezzes it to 1080p. And that doesn't look as "proper" as the actual 1080p scan of the AVCHD. Again, reference the concentric circles.

But if you're using straight 720p at a very high bitrate, then yeah, that's well worth continuing to pursue.

The other drawback is that we're still stuck on 30p and not 24, as far as I know. So from where I'm sitting, the score is:
Size: AVCHD = 1080, MJPG = 720
Frame rate: AVCHD = 24, MJPG = 30

So even with the better bit buffer, to me, 1080/24p beats 720/30p.


I feel Mjpeg is very much worth its research. I believe both have great value to production.
If the MJPG could be successfully reclocked to 24p, I'd *love* it. A true intraframe codec at a high bitrate and film speed, yes I agree with all that.

But as of my testing so far, I haven't encountered any reason to believe that the 1080 MJPG is a worthy rival to the 1080p AVCHD. From what I've seen (and granted, it's been limited!) the 1080p AVCHD wins handily.

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 11:41 PM
I have been trying find the "d" settings that Barry and a few others have talked about, could someone direct me to it..spent and hour searching here and can't find it.
The "D" settings are in the "MUD FREE" thread. Post 10.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2012699&postcount=10

Car3o
06-10-2010, 11:46 PM
The "D" settings are in the "MUD FREE" thread. Post 10.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2012699&postcount=10

in the ptool, i only see a/b/c?

Can you screen cap your ptool?

Barry_Green
06-10-2010, 11:58 PM
in the ptool, i only see a/b/c?

Can you screen cap your ptool?
It's not in ptool. It's other settings that jobless posted, in the "mud free" thread.

PappasArts
06-11-2010, 12:02 AM
Thanks for that. I'm ordering a proper Class 10 card and will try it when it arrives.Okay, this might explain it all then.

But if you're using straight 720p at a very high bitrate, then yeah, that's well worth continuing to pursue.

The other drawback is that we're still stuck on 30p and not 24, as far as I know. So from where I'm sitting, the score is:
Size: AVCHD = 1080, MJPG = 720
Frame rate: AVCHD = 24, MJPG = 30

So even with the better bit buffer, to me, 1080/24p beats 720/30p.

.

The 720P is the mode I have been testing all this time. That bit rate makes gorgeous 720P files. That also makes a nice upscale too and file to work with in post..

The stills here and the blowups came from the 720P mode with the quality settings posted.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=212609

As for frame rate. 24fps would be a nice option, however in my opinion I just feel that 30fps is better than 24fps. 24fps is simply a theatrical distribution frame rate. On home media it doesn't matter anywhere near as the content does. Theaters are going more digital day by day thanks to the gimmicky 3d demands; and becoming less important the delivered frame rate.. I worked with the Iwerks system as well showscan, so I'm partial to higher temporal rate capture. I loved to shoot 30fps film. At 60FPS, it looked like super duper hire res soap opera , so that is a not great for drama's, unless it's filmed plays on stage..

If the 1080 mode can be made to sustain 80mbits. Now that could be cool, if it records a better image.



Pappas

sammysammy
06-11-2010, 12:14 AM
Thanks Barry!

Bishaway
06-11-2010, 12:15 AM
The "D" settings are in the "MUD FREE" thread. Post 10.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2012699&postcount=10

Cheers, just tested "D"! wow that is amazing, just did a test with a heap of bushland greenery and very clean pans.. :)

ProjX v2.0
06-11-2010, 01:26 AM
Okay, I just loaded up PTool using the "D" settings, but I modified the buffer to be 60, so it's as big as the maximum bitrate.

Hi Barry, How did you manage to change the buffer to 60? The only settings I have in PTool v3.35 or v3.36 for "Video buffer" are:


21.000.000 25.000.000 28.000.000 33.500.000 40.000.000 50.000.000 84.000.000

As far as I can tell, I can't directly input a number either but am limited to only those choices.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 01:33 AM
PTool 3.36 Released
Native 24p/25p patch modified to prevent freezing on playback.
Simplified video bitrate patch added.

I made only few tests and on my footage camera do not freeze now.

Note to testers about second patch.
1) Please, try to compare this patch with more complete video bitrate patch.
2) I also want you to try all bitrate patches without using video buffer patch at all.

butler360
06-11-2010, 01:38 AM
Native 24p/25p patch modified to prevent freezing on playback.

Woah! So I guess I should ask again, now that it has changed, which is better with regards to bitrate and image quality, 24P or 60i?

I'm assuming we need testing to know the answer?

quasaru7
06-11-2010, 01:50 AM
Wow, with Native 24p/25p patch playback on Cam. Unbelivable, it is so earlier than expected!!!.
Thanks you tester13!!!

John Caballero
06-11-2010, 01:51 AM
tester 13 is fast becoming a folk hero!

JackBayer
06-11-2010, 01:53 AM
holy moly, native playback too now! incredible.

I just came from rebelcafe forum, where they got up to speed recently:
http://rebelsguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3487

Tester13, youīre a famous hero now :)

MarekV
06-11-2010, 02:27 AM
WOW!! 24p playback on CAM!!!! tester 13 is hero!! :-) Thank you for everything!


EDIT: There is a old text description on the "native 24p patch" ... delete "Camera freezes during playback ........" ;-)
tester13 : look at screenshot at first post. Don't see it, right?

EDIT2: Oups .. sorry .. my bad..

ProjX v2.0
06-11-2010, 02:32 AM
Confirmed AVCHD 24P Playback works with jobless's D settings:

Native 24P/25P
Video Buffer: 50.000.000
Video Bitrate Adjustment: 50000000
Video Bitrate Adjustment Simplified: 50000000 <--- use either normal or simplified! edited by tester13.
Overall Bitrate Adjustment: 56000000
Limiting Bitrate Adjustment: 60000000

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 02:41 AM
Got G1 body today :-)
Despite that we already own GF1, it is still stuck in USA.

I really do not understand Panasonic.
How they managed to lost market to Canon in Japan?

I suggest them to make m4/3 to Canon adapter with working AF and OS :-) and sell it for like $50. Same for Nikon and Sony lenses with build in motors.
It is not that hard as they think. And it brings you guys who afraid to switch.

Other option is to make AF adapter for manual lenses without AF (Pentax have such famous teelconverter thing).

Kholi
06-11-2010, 03:00 AM
Got G1 body today :-)
Despite that we already own GF1, it is still stuck in USA.

I really do not understand Panasonic.
How they managed to lost market to Canon in Japan?

I suggest them to make m4/3 to Canon adapter with working AF and OS :-) and sell it for like $50. Same for Nikon and Sony lenses with build in motors.
It is not that hard as they think. And it brings you guys who afraid to switch.

Other option is to make AF adapter for manual lenses without AF (Pentax have such famous teelconverter thing).


I've been hoping for this for ALL lens manufacturers. There's no reason not to other than brand loyalty.

That'd be awesome to be able to use APS-C only third party glass, as wel. Sigma 30/1.4 comes to mind.

Essami
06-11-2010, 03:02 AM
Hey,

Is it possible to create new picture profile settings allowing further tweaks on them? Mainly Im interested in lowering contrast and saturation as the -2 settings seem to not be enough and maybe this would give us a little bit more latitude.

Sami

Hey Tester13, did you note this? Do you think there's any chance for mods?

Thanks for the great work!

Sami

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 03:06 AM
I've been hoping for this for ALL lens manufacturers. There's no reason not to other than brand loyalty.
That'd be awesome to be able to use APS-C only third party glass, as wel. Sigma 30/1.4 comes to mind.

Yes, most glass is either Canon or Nikon compatible, but old Minolta glass is very good, as well as some Pentax glass.
If you really want it we need direct communication with camera division, with developers. As Barry noted such things happens in other divisions.
Writing petitions is pointless most of the time.
Direct feedback is the way to go.

Adventsam
06-11-2010, 03:06 AM
I've been hoping for this for ALL lens manufacturers. There's no reason not to other than brand loyalty.

That'd be awesome to be able to use APS-C only third party glass, as wel. Sigma 30/1.4 comes to mind.

works on the m43's Olympus cams with af, eg EPL1-2, there is no reason why it shouldnt work on GH1 other than Panasonic havent added the f/w support. Also, I think it may be the case that they have added the legacy 43 glass support with af for the G2, will check it out for you. If they do a fw update to the G2 then tester13 may be able to see whats been done?

Kholi
06-11-2010, 03:08 AM
works on the m43's Olympus cams with af, eg EPL1-2, there is no reason why it shouldnt work on GH1 other than Panasonic havent added the f/w support. Also, I think it may be the case that they have added the legacy 43 glass support with af for the G2, will check it out for you. If they do a fw update to the G2 then tester13 may be able to see whats been done?

Are you saying that the Olympus cams can use Nikon and Canon glass? Or something else?

PappasArts
06-11-2010, 03:32 AM
Just posted a few frame grabs shot real quick from the GH1's 1080P Hi- Bit rate MJPEG mode.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2015034&postcount=71

Pappas

Adventsam
06-11-2010, 03:37 AM
Are you saying that the Olympus cams can use Nikon and Canon glass? Or something else?

This was the original Olympus mount and then I think Panasonic joined, hence we got the 14-50 leica 2.8-3.5, 25 1.4 etc all for 43's fit. There is a whole range of 43 lenses, incl. Sigma lenses, see list in compatability chart. Then when they release micro43, ie G1 then the EPL1 we got a new range of micro43 lenses and an adapter for legacy 43 glass. All of the Olympus cameras support legacy glass, but only a limited selection on the GH1 and GF1 and G1. Now, Pana has released the G2, avc lite but only 720p but guess what, they've added lots of legacy lense glass compatability. Not all the af functions work but for still single af is better than nothing and single af works in video too, to get you in the "zone". One of the lenses is the 30mm f1.4 you mentioned for 43's mount, if you add the 43's to micro 43's adapter you can use the Sigma now, but no af, but as I say the new G2 has AF!

http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/g2_g10.html
http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/g1.html

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 03:42 AM
Hey Tester13, did you note this? Do you think there's any chance for mods?
Thanks for the great work!
Sami

And did you noticed my request for developers to make necessary tools?
Especially one to view and find all icons and images.
Without tools it'll be big waste of time.

Essami
06-11-2010, 03:45 AM
And did you noticed my request for developers to make necessary tools?
Especially one to view and find all icons and images.
Without tools it'll be big waste of time.

No I didnt notice. Now I know.

Sami

Ozpeter
06-11-2010, 05:29 AM
Could an ".ini" file be provided for ptool so that when you run it, the last use setup appears? That might make it easier to tweak things from the last used settings. (Sorry if this is already provided for in some way but I've not seen it).

gonkin.jo
06-11-2010, 05:32 AM
hi tester13

re tools for finding images in firmware

I used to program c on amigas in the 80s and have used c on AVR microcontrollers more recently, but for desktop stuff I've been using java for a long time - I imagine it should be possible to use java? I guess the only issue might be byte ordering (ie big endian versus little endian)

so . . . this tool would work it's way through the firmware looking for images
what format would the images be in?
it should be easy to search for a header for a gif, bmp or whatever

otherwise if they were just raw bitmaps you'd need to approach it differently

thanks for all the great work you and everyone else is doing
it's very exciting watching this all unfold

gonks

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 05:45 AM
so . . . this tool would work it's way through the firmware looking for images
what format would the images be in?
otherwise if they were just raw bitmaps you'd need to approach it differently


Citation from first page - First tool.
Small utility with good interface with ability to view firmware image and find icons and other images inside (visually showing images and offsets).

So, we need interface, not batch only utility.
As for usable instruments - I suggest to find free Turbo C++.
Or use Visual C++ Express if you are better in it.
Java is generally not good, as we need very fast redraws of large canvas areas.
If you are really serious (and won't be dropping development after few days) send me PM for all interface details and requirements.

e-steve
06-11-2010, 06:54 AM
Fantastic Work. It's incredible that such a leap forward can be acheived by one individual. Not only will it force panasonic to make the GH2 a much better camera than they probably wanted too, but it will hopefully give canon and nikon a kick up the backside too.

Feels like the revolution has finally begun. :laugh:

Panasonic should see this effort as a very positive thing. Now they don't have to rush the release of the GH2 and have a terrible roll out like the GH1, and they should see GH1 sales go up significantly until then.

Perhaps Philip Bloom has some contacts at Panasonic that might support Tester13 with what he needs to make things even better?

...or maybe they should make him a job offer. :)

Oedipax
06-11-2010, 07:14 AM
...or maybe they should make him a job offer. :)

I'm completely blown away with what Tester has achieved here, and in such a short amount of time. His skills as a hacker/programmer are formidable!

That being said, though, surely Panasonic has employees who could've done similar things, right? I don't think it's as much a question of there being one brilliant hacker who made the camera do things its creators had no idea it was capable of. I think it's a case of Panasonic simply hobbling the camera for one reason or another, maybe something as benign as wanting to maximize compatibility with consumer hardware devices, or allow the use of slow SD cards. Who knows...

I guess what I'm saying is I prefer having someone as talented as Tester13 on the outside of Panasonic, not the inside, because here he only has to answer to himself, not make some kind of distinction between "consumer," "prosumer," "professional," "broadcast," etc. It's as simple as the hardware being capable of so much more than it was being asked, and someone who was able to tap into that power.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 07:31 AM
Guys, let's stop this Panasonic conspiracy thing, ok?
I really hate this Andrew and some others bullshi*.

Many things are not suitable for average Joe, some others require good card, etc.

Plus many do not understand how large development project is implemented.
You can have sensor designer who knows that sensor is capable of, he provides some info required to software developer, he, in turn adjust small library to predefined modes, he do not know anything else. Same for AVCHD and MJPEG encoders. Of course LSI developers made some estimates and they perfectly know some boundaries on low level. But library designer make it according to provided specifications and make testing only at certain intervals. So, in reality you have bunch of very expirienced people who do not know whole picture and even do not have authority to tell about it and change something.

All they need is early testing and real feedback, constant feedback and adjustments.
They have all else. Hope something with enought authority will read this.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 09:55 AM
Note to testers

I need to know TV modes (FullHD TV connected via HDMI to camera) while playing photos with various aspect ratios and videos at 50fps, 60fps, 50/60i containers, 24/25p native.
Please check your HDMI Mode menu setting before testing (must be AUTO).

mimirsan
06-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Tester I want to personally thankyou for what you have done for the gh1 community I will donate when I get next wage.
Do you think 24p will be possible in mjpeg? Will there be a way to stop the write error issue with some kind of bitrate limiter?
Many thanks! Sorry to bother you!

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 10:26 AM
Tester I want to personally thankyou for what you have done for the gh1 community I will donate when I get next wage.
Do you think 24p will be possible in mjpeg? Will there be a way to stop the write error issue with some kind of bitrate limiter?


24p may be, as I already said, we must understand how sensor setup work and how RAW buffer work. It can be long work.
We can change mode to 1920p24, but all other settings must be also adjusted.
As fo write error issue - just use ptoper settings. Camera can't go back in time, reshoot footage in buffer using other settings and go further. We'll better understand encoders with time, and adjustment values can be little easear to set.

bumkicho
06-11-2010, 10:56 AM
Note to testers

I need to know TV modes (FullHD TV connected via HDMI to camera) while playing photos with various aspect ratios and videos at 50fps, 60fps, 50/60i containers, 24/25p native.
Please check your HDMI Mode menu setting before testing (must be AUTO).

WHOA!! Is HDMI monitoring during recording coming next? I am not getting my hopes up yet, but even the thought of it is exciting.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 11:38 AM
Guys, all details about MJPEG and AVCHD settings, discussions go to their separate threads, ok?
I'll delete all messages with such detail each few hours.

rotrier
06-11-2010, 01:47 PM
Donated another additional $50 for developer and testers! Great progress for everyone who's helping out.

zhaoyun
06-11-2010, 08:40 PM
will you replace the AVCHD options "H" and "L" to 1080p24 or 720p50/60 to achieve global setting without switching between NTSC and PAL. and so in motion JPEG option.

tommygdawg
06-11-2010, 09:08 PM
I've been doing a lot of tests with AVCHD and I'm loving it. I don't know if this has been asked before, but is there a reason that all of my clips with the 24pN patch are reading as 23.971 frames per second?
Typically it should 23.976. Is there something strange with the information on the video file and it actually IS right frame rate? Or is the frame rate actually off by that little bit?

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 11:09 PM
I've been doing a lot of tests with AVCHD and I'm loving it. I don't know if this has been asked before, but is there a reason that all of my clips with the 24pN patch are reading as 23.971 frames per second?
Typically it should 23.976. Is there something strange with the information on the video file and it actually IS right frame rate? Or is the frame rate actually off by that little bit?

It is ok :-)

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 11:10 PM
Notice.

I made major cleanup.
If your message gets deleted it can be for few reasons only: emotional message without information, general questions, unfounded complaint, offtopic.

noisyland
06-11-2010, 11:15 PM
Thanks tester13 for your research and alternative firmware engineering.
I tried the 'winebottler' approach on my Mac, and all seemed to work OK.
The checklist ptool3 opened up and I selected the changes that I wanted.
I created a new firmware file called GH1__133.bin and installed to my GH1.
I restarted camera but can't see any new settings in Menu.
But I put in a battery from a 3rd party manufacturer that was previously not accepted.
It now works fine :-) Version number in menu still shows as Body: V1.3, should I change revised firmware to GH1__140.bin ?
Any additional advice much appreciated.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-11-2010, 11:18 PM
Thanks tester13 for your research and alternative firmware engineering.
I tried the 'winebottler' approach on my Mac, and all seemed to work OK.
... Body: V1.3, should I change revised firmware to GH1__140.bin ?
Any additional advice much appreciated.

Please read first post here, and sticky FAQ thread.
generally we don't have any menu yet and your version is ok.

GrgurMG
06-11-2010, 11:47 PM
Hey Tester13, I could of sworn you posted something awhile ago about you finding and downloading something you needed... but now I can't find the post? Was that Panasonic compiler?... or we still need both that and the service software? I know someone posted about PMing about the service software.. but I guess that didn't get anywhere, hrm?

Has anyone actually called the service center and failed? I was meaning to early this week, but got busy.. so if no one's tried at all I'll give her a shot after the weekend.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 12:00 AM
Guys, you know that'll happen with MJPEG related posts, don't you?

Kholi
06-12-2010, 12:18 AM
PTool Related Question: Pappas is saying that the old PTool is the only one that allows for image squeeze. Are we going to be able to get that back so that we can further experiment with 1080/30 Photo JPEG settings?

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 01:07 AM
PTool 3.36 updated without version change

MJPEG 1280m Width and Height adjustments are back by request.
MJPEG 1280m Size Adjustments and encoder settings patches ported to GF1.

It'll be interesting to compare GF1 resolution. As far as I understand 1920x1080 MJPEG resolution can be higher than GH1.

P.S. Please remember my HDMI TV modes request. It is important.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 01:17 AM
Hey Tester13, I could of sworn you posted something awhile ago about you finding and downloading something you needed... but now I can't find the post?

First page, second post. Or search thread by user name.

GrgurMG
06-12-2010, 01:33 AM
First page, second post. Or search thread by user name.

Hrm... my bad. I actually did check there first of course, but I guess I missed that part... font color's kind of hard to read. So now it's down to service software and that firmware image utility you need. Wish I took more then one semester of C++.

J Davis
06-12-2010, 03:32 AM
Hi Tester and team, great job you guys are doing – pulldown was the curse of the GH1 and now no longer! Also the language switch in camera really even's the playing field for all those who have Japanese cams.

Just want to say that disabling the AGC is a huge thing for us film makers and I look forward to when you get that one going.

Keep up the great work!

tsupka
06-12-2010, 03:50 AM
thank you tester13 for your amazing work

now footage is mach cleaner so maybe now iso 3200 can be useful for video?
is it possible to unblock it in manual video mode?

thanks in advance

Jason Ramsey
06-12-2010, 04:33 AM
this is now the most viewed thread in dvxuser history...

plasmasmp
06-12-2010, 04:37 AM
this is now the most viewed thread in dvxuser history...

amazing

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 04:41 AM
thank you tester13 for your amazing work

now footage is mach cleaner so maybe now iso 3200 can be useful for video?
is it possible to unblock it in manual video mode?


I'll add this to the plans, but won't be soon.

ChipG
06-12-2010, 04:41 AM
this is now the most viewed thread in dvxuser history...

And it just started my man! :)

Feakin awesome!

Asiertxu
06-12-2010, 06:23 AM
Hello Tester13!
I want to try a patched firmware on my GH1 (European version as Iīm fro Spain )but I have one question before do that.
I checked my current version of firmware and is 1.2 (I havenīt ever updated the firmware since I bought it...) but Iīve seen that you all testers are patching from 1.32 version wich is the one that is used to be patched on PTool, so:
Is it necesary to install original 1.32 firmware from Panasonic first before updating to a patched version of this same firmware?
Could do this directly without updating to the original 1.32 firmware and then update to a patched version ?
THANKS alot for all your help!!:)
Cheers...
Asier.

dioxmaya
06-12-2010, 07:42 AM
hola asier, yo soy de espaņa tambien y estoy con la gh1 y instalando tambien el firmware. Yo instale directamente el firmware 1.32 parcheado con las instrucciones que te dan, y todo ha salido bien. Cualquier problema me comentas. yo como ando un poco verde con el ingles, si quieres entre los 2 nos ayudamos un poco con lo del parche, que por lo que voy medio entendiendo podremos hacer mil cosas mas. Thank's tester13 and testers!!

rawfa
06-12-2010, 08:01 AM
Sorry for disrupting the hard work but I was wondering if the same can be accomplished with the GF1. I'm currently living in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) and my sister from California is coming to visit me here so I was thinking of buying a GF1 if there's a chance that manual controls, 24p and higher bit rates can be implemented. I already have an E-P1 so I would only buy the GF1 in case these 3 things could be done. Again, I'm sorry for disrupting the hard work and congratulations on an amazing breakthrough (I have the feeling you will end up working for Panasonic).

Asiertxu
06-12-2010, 08:26 AM
Hey dioxmaya!
Thankyou for your entry, much appreciated! :D
Iīve sent you a PM....
Cheers fellow!
Asier.

nyczSZx
06-12-2010, 08:49 AM
Here you go guys sig time whoever is running testers firmware! Time to represent!

http://www.pigeonsheep.com/dexter/siggg.gif

Made this one a bit too big but oh wells.
http://www.pigeonsheep.com/dexter/sistest.jpg

Thanks for everything Tester will be donating this week :)

Car3o
06-12-2010, 08:53 AM
this is now the most viewed thread in dvxuser history...

Amazing. I almost feel like we're all part of something big. Like the creation of the RED camera.

Car3o
06-12-2010, 08:54 AM
Sorry for disrupting the hard work but I was wondering if the same can be accomplished with the GF1. I'm currently living in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) and my sister from California is coming to visit me here so I was thinking of buying a GF1 if there's a chance that manual controls, 24p and higher bit rates can be implemented. I already have an E-P1 so I would only buy the GF1 in case these 3 things could be done. Again, I'm sorry for disrupting the hard work and congratulations on an amazing breakthrough (I have the feeling you will end up working for Panasonic).

check the FAQ's. yes, most patches ALREADY ported over the the GF1

tester13: All bitrate related works already, including 1920x1080 MJPEG.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 09:05 AM
Good news.

I can change sampling in MJPEG movies from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2.

Before:
Number of Img components = 3
Component[1]: ID=0x01, Samp Fac=0x22 (Subsamp 1 x 1), Quant Tbl Sel=0x00 (Lum: Y)
Component[2]: ID=0x02, Samp Fac=0x11 (Subsamp 2 x 2), Quant Tbl Sel=0x01 (Chrom: Cb)
Component[3]: ID=0x03, Samp Fac=0x11 (Subsamp 2 x 2), Quant Tbl Sel=0x01 (Chrom: Cr)

After:
Number of Img components = 3
Component[1]: ID=0x01, Samp Fac=0x21 (Subsamp 1 x 1), Quant Tbl Sel=0x00 (Lum: Y)
Component[2]: ID=0x02, Samp Fac=0x11 (Subsamp 2 x 1), Quant Tbl Sel=0x01 (Chrom: Cb)
Component[3]: ID=0x03, Samp Fac=0x11 (Subsamp 2 x 1), Quant Tbl Sel=0x01 (Chrom: Cr)

Paul Shields
06-12-2010, 09:15 AM
4:2:2 ??? Will it ever end :). I guess that may have an impact in bandwidth?

Centro
06-12-2010, 09:21 AM
Amazing

Kholi
06-12-2010, 09:24 AM
Good news.

I can change sampling in MJPEG movies from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2.




No way. That's insane. I don't understand what ANY of that text means, but getting factual 4:2:2 out of the camera just shoved Photo JPEG into a top slot for some 24P goodness.

Tester-- About the HDMI request, there are specific mode options, but you want to know what the HDMI is changing over to for each photo or video?

The mode options are: 1080i, 720p, 480p

Let me know what to try, video out must come.

Oedipax
06-12-2010, 09:29 AM
WTF!

Tester you are amazing :)

svecher
06-12-2010, 09:35 AM
PTool 3.36 updated without version change
P.S. Please remember my HDMI TV modes request. It is important.
I haven't patched the GH1 yet, so here are some results on stock version. GH1 doesn't report anything while in TV Output mode, so info is limited by what TV is showing, which in this case we will call Pana Brevia as only line resolution is reported, not refresh rates.
Regular HDMI playback mode.
1) Pictures, all aspects - 720p.
2) AVCHD FHD - 1080i.
3) AVCHD SHD - 720p

Viera-link on -- everything shows as 720p.

I can run patched tests on a Sony TV later, which does show both resolution and refresh rates.

xenogears
06-12-2010, 09:54 AM
My congratulations to tester13, nice work has you been doing here, now every time a see a GH1 video in Vimeo is look like was filmed in another old camera. ;)

Now, just hope for the HDMI live view on recording.

Iīm making my paperwork for access the use of a coupon of Dollars in my country to make a donation, is a really long and tedious process but this deserved.

rawfa
06-12-2010, 10:21 AM
I'm telling you, either Panasonic is going to hire Tester13 or they're going to have him killed hehehe. His progress is nothing short of spectacular.

greymog
06-12-2010, 10:39 AM
ok two questions.

1) 422? really? wtf? really? 422? (ok that was like 5 questions)

2) I live in beirut, I always say this and it screws up my record on the marketplace. I can't use paypal or make transactions online here it's prohibited and verrrrrry insecure. How can I donate? I really want to. I have been living off moneygram/western union for ages, car3o can you receive money that way?

Have loaded 3.36 trying mjpeg, different cards give me different results. can't play back mjpeg in camera. Is 422 up? is it a patch?

I'm sorry I've been holding a lot of questions but i just can't keep it inside anymore I sound like an excited 6 year old.

The footage is bomb.

greymog
06-12-2010, 10:46 AM
Also, I've noticed something, or maybe it's in my head. In mjpeg mode, my cards are lasting longer if I'm tele. When I go wide I get 2 seconds. Also when I'm on the kit lens it 'feels' like it's making my camera do more work. IS makes a difference too I get more with same card same settings same position even on a tripod with IS turned off.

Am I tripping in saying the the kit lens is making the camera do more work cause it's made to interact with it way more than a manually adapted mechanical manual lens? Or are they two completely different processes that don't eat up each other's processing power?

I'm sooooooo sorry if this question is moronic.

ryancglover
06-12-2010, 10:47 AM
Tester13, would it be at all possible to give the MJPEG VGA 4:3 mode a higher bitrate and a frame size of 1440x1080? Some users in PappasArts' thread seemed interested in this as well.

Thanks again for everything.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 10:54 AM
ok two questions.
1) 422? really? wtf? really? 422? (ok that was like 5 questions)

Yes. Really. Yeah dude. Without doubt. Yup.
Looks like I answered all five.
Patch will be coming, some more testing is required.



2) I live in beirut, I always say this and it screws up my record on the marketplace. I can't use paypal or make transactions online here it's prohibited and verrrrrry insecure. How can I donate? I really want to. I have been living off moneygram/western union for ages, car3o can you receive money that way?


You must ask Car3o about this, use PM, please.


Have loaded 3.36 trying mjpeg, different cards give me different results. can't play back mjpeg in camera.

It is ok to have playing it back in camera, bitrate is too much.
We'll move to this problem later.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 10:56 AM
Tester13, would it be at all possible to give the MJPEG VGA 4:3 mode a higher bitrate and a frame size of 1440x1080? Some users in PappasArts' thread seemed interested in this as well.


It may be possible.
But we'll need mayor interface and internal engine changes before this.
As we have too man patches and too many newbies.

Kholi
06-12-2010, 10:56 AM
I'm telling you, either Panasonic is going to hire Tester13 or they're going to have him killed hehehe. His progress is nothing short of spectacular.

Haha. I know you're joking, but I agree with what tester said earlier about conspiracies.

What I'm seeing here is MAYBE there's no such thing as crippling. I'd be confident enough to say that Engineers at Panasonic are not crazy, stupid, or anything like that. Consider this: We're all now having to worry more so about what SDHC cards we have to match the compression that we want to get. Well, what does the average consumer do? They go and buy the cheapest and then have issues, blame the camera, not the card.

So, engineers would be creating a massive problem for the BRAND by rolling out a camera like this. Customers would have no one to blame but manufacturer on ignorance, which they are rightfully entitled to.

What Tester here is doing isn't for the average user of the GH1, but for us geeks and filmmakers that want the best for nothing.

It'll be interested to see the response, but I'm happy for what's happened so far and am looking forward to more.

e-steve
06-12-2010, 11:13 AM
If I had an HDMI TV/Monitor I'd be all over the testing for the Live Out...If Tester13 can figure that one out, there could be a whole lot of 5DMKII and 7D's going on ebay. :D

Seems like in the last few days amazing progress is made every time I check back here. Amazing work Tester13.

Perhaps if there's nothing else needed to be purchased for the development efforts, we can start looking at getting Tester13 and some of the really active testers some equipment for their GH1 rigs? Lenses, external monitors, etc? If we cannot compensate them with $ we might as well give them everything they need to test with the best quality gear.

Newcomers make sure you donate something, even if it's small... this is an incredible effort.
If you have downloaded the ptool and haven't donated yet, shame on you!! There is no reason the donation account shouldn't be in the 5 figures by now. C'mon guys.

http://www.gh1-hack.info/

Oedipax
06-12-2010, 11:18 AM
Also, I've noticed something, or maybe it's in my head. In mjpeg mode, my cards are lasting longer if I'm tele. When I go wide I get 2 seconds. Also when I'm on the kit lens it 'feels' like it's making my camera do more work. IS makes a difference too I get more with same card same settings same position even on a tripod with IS turned off.

Am I tripping in saying the the kit lens is making the camera do more work cause it's made to interact with it way more than a manually adapted mechanical manual lens? Or are they two completely different processes that don't eat up each other's processing power?

I'm sooooooo sorry if this question is moronic.

Wide shots contain more detail generally, so there's more information for the camera to handle - easier to get overwhelmed with data.

As for the second part, it's long been speculated (maybe it was even proven?) that the kit lens invokes some special features on the camera end that were causing compression artifacts to show up easier (under the old 17mbps bitrate) than with, say, a 'dumb' Nikon lens mounted to an adapter and working full-manual. So it doesn't surprise me this continues to happen in the enhanced firmware now.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 11:25 AM
Perhaps if there's nothing else needed to be purchased for the development efforts, we can start looking at getting Tester13 and some of the really active testers some equipment for their GH1 rigs? Lenses, external monitors, etc? If we cannot compensate them with $ we might as well give them everything they need to test with the best quality gear.

We are going lens way today, just it happened that I don't have any wide lens, plus audio gear for upcoming project can be useful.

I also hope to have special sponsor place in next interface remake. So, if anyone selling some gear want to provide it as donation, we could place his advertisment. This is very effective way to get info to potential customers.

greymog
06-12-2010, 11:29 AM
Yes. Really. Yeah dude. Without doubt. Yup.
Looks like I answered all five.
Patch will be coming, some more testing is required.



You must ask Car3o about this, use PM, please.



It is ok to have playing it back in camera, bitrate is too much.
We'll move to this problem later.

Oh my god I just read that again, forgive me, but this has been received with a lot of excitement here. Thank you so much for all your efforts.

Will pm car3o tonight, Am trying with several brands of card, and several classes, and different amounts of detail to see if there's a pattern to the cut of recording time, or which card works best. I had no trouble with a class 6 16gb, a class 4 1gb (can't believe it) but i bought another brand of class 6 today and nothing lasted more than 5 sec.

Again, thank you so much for your work sir, it's a pleasure to follow this thread, a bit intimidating (in the good way :) ) but a pleasure.

Thank you for my new camera :)

T

e-steve
06-12-2010, 11:32 AM
We are going lens way today, just it happened that I don't have any wide lens, plus audio gear for upcoming project can be useful.

I also hope to have special sponsor place in next interface remake. So, if anyone selling some gear want to provide it as donation, we could place his advertisment. This is very effective way to get info to potential customers.


This is a great idea. Hot Rod Cameras? Zacuto? Redrock Micro? Anyone have good contacts at these companies to see if they might be interested in donating some gear to Tester13?

Slice
06-12-2010, 11:35 AM
Tester13, I love you!

When I saw that you changed 4:2:0 to 4:2:2 I think I wet myself a little.

Is it possible to push it to 4:4:4 or do you think bandwidth is to low for that?

Thanks so much!!!

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 11:35 AM
This is a great idea. Hot Rod Cameras? Zacuto? Redrock Micro? Anyone have good contacts at these companies to see if they might be interested in donating some gear to Tester13?

No, I won't accept anything from Zacuto, Redrock, Hot Rod.
But from smaller and cheaper brands for normal people, yes, we must give them a chance to be more widely known. So, even if you small one man company doing some innovative things, it could be your chance.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 11:47 AM
I need some info from testers.

Download this tool:
http://www.impulseadventure.com/photo/jpeg-snoop.html

Open JPEG file created for each MJPEG movie.
Report Quantization tables, your settings MJPEG Quality settings.
All reports must go to MJPEG Encoder research thread.

AKED
06-12-2010, 12:07 PM
Hi tester13,

great work, on the 4:2:2

Do you think it will be possible, to implement the 4:2:2 also for AVCHD sometimes?

IanB
06-12-2010, 12:52 PM
Tester, what frame rate should we use to give you results for MJPEG? I currently have some settings loaded, but need to know what frame-rate you want us to use, or does it matter?

Thanks
IB

Also testing 5 FPS mjpeg with no other settings changed for mjpeg (so standard mjpeg except for FPSX set to 5) the camera appeared to be recording 5fps, but then after I stopped recording, camera froze, and then when I tried to bring the footage off the SDHC card onto my computer, the card shows a file, but the file has 0 bytes, I guess the camera didn't actually send anything to the SD card, even though it appeared to be recording.

I will update my firmware to test MJPEG with higher bit-rate and 30p and report on the jpeg-snoop app. (hopefully)

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 12:57 PM
Tester, what frame rate should we use to give you results for MJPEG? I currently have some settings loaded, but need to know what frame-rate you want us to use, or does it matter?
IB

Any you like.

lcruz
06-12-2010, 04:07 PM
Tester13 thanks for your dedication to this project. I was wondering if a how to guide is in the works to aid programmers get up to speed on this. I have access to Visual Studio and a G1 at this time. Let me know if I can contribute, thanks

svecher
06-12-2010, 05:44 PM
I haven't patched the GH1 yet, so here are some results on stock version. GH1 doesn't report anything while in TV Output mode, so info is limited by what TV is showing, which in this case we will call Pana Brevia as only line resolution is reported, not refresh rates.
Regular HDMI playback mode.
1) Pictures, all aspects - 720p.
2) AVCHD FHD - 1080i.
3) AVCHD SHD - 720p

Viera-link on -- everything shows as 720p.

I can run patched tests on a Sony TV later, which does show both resolution and refresh rates.
Patched using 1) version increment, 2) native playback 3) simplified AVHCD bitrate patches. When pressing record button (shutter priority mode at 1/50th) cam switches to record mode, but red Rec icon is not showing up, also unable to stop or cancel recording. On off button doesn't work either, have to pull the battery.

When using non-simplified patches (settings as detailed here http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=2016738&postcount=373) footage gets recorded at avg bitrate around 24 Mbit. Confirmed native 24p in StreamEye. When played back on GH1 it actually goes out to TV as 1080i, same as original 24p-in-60i-wrapper.

Hope this helps. Let me know if any additional tests are necessary. Thanks!

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 11:18 PM
This thread is not for emotions and wide discussion, ok?

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-12-2010, 11:37 PM
Tester13 thanks for your dedication to this project. I was wondering if a how to guide is in the works to aid programmers get up to speed on this. I have access to Visual Studio and a G1 at this time. Let me know if I can contribute, thanks

First page, second post.
Plus search this thread by name for my posts concerning development.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-13-2010, 12:12 AM
PTool 3.36 updated without version change.

Added 420->422 Sampling patches for both GH1 and GF1.

Remember that we still do not have 1920 MJPEG mode testing results for GF1, and it looks (from sensor setup) that resolution can be more than GH1.

Lpowell
06-13-2010, 01:19 AM
PTool 3.36 updated without version change.

Added 420->422 Sampling patches for both GH1 and GF1.

Thanks, tester13. Which MJPEG Quality and Table settings do you recommend for 422 color sampling at 720p and at 1080p?

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-13-2010, 01:27 AM
Thanks, tester13. Which MJPEG Quality and Table settings do you recommend for 422 color sampling at 720p and at 1080p?

We have a separate thread for this.
Ask testers after some time.
Generally, settings must be almost the same.

jenningsp
06-13-2010, 02:11 AM
have you unlocked manual mode (shutter speed, aperture, ISO) for the GF1?

is that even possible?

cool thanks! :)

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-13-2010, 02:31 AM
have you unlocked manual mode (shutter speed, aperture, ISO) for the GF1?

Our GF1 is stuck in USA, so it'll have to wait.


is that even possible?

Don't know at this time.

GrgurMG
06-13-2010, 03:22 AM
Btw, the notations for the MJPEG width & height patches seemed to have been overwritten with a duplication of the color sampling patch's notation.

tester13: Fixed already, thanks.

abasfly
06-13-2010, 04:46 AM
PTool 3.36 updated without version change.

Added 420->422 Sampling patches for both GH1 and GF1.

Remember that we still do not have 1920 MJPEG mode testing results for GF1, and it looks (from sensor setup) that resolution can be more than GH1.

patched my GF1 with mjpeg patch:
h: 1920
w:1080
422...

(screenshot deleted by tester13)

unfortunately it didnīt record the file my class 6 cards are to slow :-(
but it gave a an image:

https://sites.google.com/site/pruebabbbb/_/rsrc/1276425261022/temp/P1030629.JPG?height=223&width=400


the analisis with the jpeg tool is here:

https://sites.google.com/site/pruebabbbb/temp/P1030629.txt?revision=1

Today I donßt have much time but at night can do more testing with other settings, perhaps without 422? or smaller size. didnīt touch the compression for mjpeg tho any suggestions are welcome.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-13-2010, 05:02 AM
I don't see any image.
I suggest you to up your quality settings significantly, overwise going from 1280 with 420 to 1920 with 422 will hit image quality, your quantization tables show it.
And look at Pappas settings at his thread.
I tested his 1440x1080 with 422 sampling and reduced quality settings.
But high detailed footage is still untested.

mrgroove
06-13-2010, 07:12 AM
very good job TESTER13 !! congratulation !

I'm French and i have a little blog, talking a lot about DSLR, Canon EOS, Panasonic but also about RED and other Next Gen D-Cinema Tools.

www.pampuri.net
(http://www.pampuri.net)

I did a post today, talking about your work.
Do you think it will be possible to manage the different options in the future directly on the GH1 interface menu ?

Thanks a lot for what you did !

NikGH1
06-13-2010, 07:39 AM
GF1 tests report

camera with sandisk extreme class10 16g sd card

mjpeg quality settings 384 320 256 200
mjpeg table 24 24 24 24

1280->1920

4:2:0->4:2:2

camera stopped recording after 1-2 seconds, a 500ms mjpeg has been recorded,and bitrate is about 96Mbps.

tried servel times and got same results.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-13-2010, 07:45 AM
GF1 tests report
camera with sandisk extreme class10 16g sd card
mjpeg quality settings 384 320 256 200
mjpeg table 24 24 24 24
1280->1920
4:2:0->4:2:2
camera stopped recording after 1-2 seconds, a 500ms mjpeg has been recorded,and bitrate is about 96Mbps.
tried servel times and got same results.

You can't use same quality settings for 422.
Bitrate will be much higher.
Size1=X+X/4+X/4=3/2 X
Size2=X+X/2+X/2= 2 X
It is not precise, but you get the idea.
30% bitrate increase at least.
On high detailed scenes it can be even worse.
Normally you don't need 422, use it only for green screen work.

NikGH1
06-13-2010, 07:52 AM
GF1 try again

same mjpeg quality settings

no 1920 patch, just 1280 and 4:2:2

works well, no problem. the bitrate is about 64Mbps.

abasfly
06-13-2010, 08:40 AM
gf1 test:
1440x1080
quality 256
table 8
420
jpeg analisis:
https://sites.google.com/site/pruebabbbb/temp/P1030646JPG_EQ256_T8.txt
https://sites.google.com/site/pruebabbbb/temp/P1030646JPG_EQ256_T8.txt?attredirects=0&d=1
image:
https://sites.google.com/site/pruebabbbb/_/rsrc/1276439658450/temp/P1030646.JPG?height=240&width=320
got more detail here than the avchd "c "setting
recorded 9 sec. on a class 6 after the camera stoped the recording.

zhaoyun
06-13-2010, 09:38 AM
tester, is it possible to add focus indicator for 3rd parties lens, or say indicate the max contrast during manual focusing.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-13-2010, 09:54 AM
tester, is it possible to add focus indicator for 3rd parties lens, or say indicate the max contrast during manual focusing.

Being MF guy, I am looking into this.
But this is far-far away.

raymondluo
06-13-2010, 10:14 AM
What are the chances of the E-p2 getting a boost in bitrate? It already has full manual controls for video and with in-body IS the advantages for great 720p image is more attractive. I do however understand that the existing hack was built for Panasonic models so the transition is probably possible, just asking. :)

zhaoyun
06-13-2010, 10:17 AM
how about bypass the lens check? treat all 3rd parties lens as pana product, the camera then we turn the focus ring until match just like AF !! brainstorming........

Car3o
06-13-2010, 10:20 AM
how about bypass the lens check? treat all 3rd parties lens as pana product, the camera then we turn the focus ring until match just like AF !! brainstorming........


http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=213468

zhaoyun
06-13-2010, 10:30 AM
not a crazy request i think.

like 3rd parties battery
just fake the camera believe controlling the len focus (AF), but of course in MF, then focus indicator will work while turn the focus ring, no matter in what mode (face detection, central focus etc).

saaby
06-13-2010, 10:41 AM
24p native, and "C" settings listed in Ptool. Specifically:

Video Buffer......40.000.000
Video Bitrate.....50.000.000
Overall..............52.000.000
Limiting............60.000.000

Class 6 Transcend card.

Getting some strange anomalies. I'm posting 3 frames as an example. This specific error lasted 9 frames.


Frame 1. It's frame 0/9 of the error. Everything is fine; posting it to give context.
http://permaimages.s3.amazonaws.com/chinup1.png


Frame 2. Frame 1/9 of the error. My talent is moving and he's developed a double-chin -- and I don't mean that he's been eating too much McDonald's! The affected area reaches back to the backpack.
http://permaimages.s3.amazonaws.com/chinup2.png

Frame 3. Frame 9/9. Same area is affected, though the exact pixels have morphed.
http://permaimages.s3.amazonaws.com/chinup3.png

One frame later everything cleared up.

I formatted the card right before shooting, and got no errors from the camera. I'm going to order a class 10 card to be safe, but here we are.

Svart
06-13-2010, 10:56 AM
24p native, and "C" settings listed in Ptool. Specifically:

Video Buffer......40.000.000
Video Bitrate.....50.000.000
Overall..............52.000.000
Limiting............60.000.000

Class 6 Transcend card.

Getting some strange anomalies. I'm posting 3 frames as an example. This specific error lasted 9 frames.


Frame 1. It's frame 0/9 of the error. Everything is fine; posting it to give context.



Frame 2. Frame 1/9 of the error. My talent is moving and he's developed a double-chin -- and I don't mean that he's been eating too much McDonald's! The affected area reaches back to the backpack.


Frame 3. Frame 9/9. Same area is affected, though the exact pixels have morphed.


One frame later everything cleared up.

I formatted the card right before shooting, and got no errors from the camera. I'm going to order a class 10 card to be safe, but here we are.


This is indicative of the settings not working quite right.

andyjar
06-13-2010, 11:15 AM
REQUEST:

Before hack/after hack zone plates.

That is all.

tyampel
06-13-2010, 11:21 AM
Tester13.
Please check out the link below.
http://www.semicon.panasonic.co.jp/e-micom/debugfactory/DFDLBuilder2.php
I downloaded the DebugFactory software from there and it seems that it contains an assembler and CC compiler on a 30 days trial basis.
The program I downloaded was for 103S. They have also an 103L and 103E version.
A documentation PDF file is also there.
Look in the tools folder for the assembler and compiler.

Thanks for your efforts and good luck.

Vitaliy Kiselev
06-13-2010, 11:23 AM
Check my earler posts with this link :-)