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Ben Sliker
02-05-2010, 07:44 PM
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/ROM_Poster2_web.jpg

Ben Sliker
02-05-2010, 07:45 PM
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/ROM_timhead.png
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/ROM_michaelhead.png

CLEAN SLATE PRODUCTIONS in association with INFINITE HOURGLASS presents

ROM - Read-Only Memory

STARRING
Tim Holt IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3649050/) WEBSITE (http://www.timholt.com/)
Michael Thomas IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3656112/)
and Tom Olson as 'The voice of OZ'

SHOT BY
Jason Fararooei IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3708502/) WEBSITE (http://www.yellowcapecommunications.com/)

MUSIC BY
Chris Hurn WEBSITE (http://www.chrishurn.com) IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2329043/)

PRODUCED BY
Benjamin Sliker
Matthew Bumby

WRITTEN BY
Benjamin Sliker
Matthew Bumby

DIRECTED BY
Benjamin Sliker IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3085512/) WEBSITE (http://www.benjaminsliker.com)

ASSISTANT DIRECTOR
Matthew Bumby

DIALOGUE AND SOUND EDITING
Joe Johnson IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3318077/)
Lana Bolin

BOOM OPERATOR
Tom Olson

GRIP
Kevin Anderson

CRAFT SERVICES
Jennifer Sliker
Marie Sliker

SPECIAL THANKS TO
Amanda Sliker
Simon and Lyn Thomas
Bradley Mate
Joe Saba

Ben Sliker
02-05-2010, 07:45 PM
Daniel's Blog:


Day One:
i can't believe i'm doing this. No matter how much i write, nothing is going to bring him back. This morning brings the familiar ring ring. It's mom. Some overpaid psychologist told her to start a journal. Something something grieving process. The usual lines, she's worried so i should be worried. She wants me to write one. I tell her grieve her way i'll grieve mine. That comforts me but doesn't do much for her. So... I bite the bullet and my tongue to type you this.

I'm not sure what she expects me to write. Like words provide an answer, it's numbers for me now. The ones and the zeroes. They make sense, they're logical, i just can't keep them all in my head. I need somewhere to store them. Browse them. Reference them. Process them. I think if i did i could forget them. I could forget him. I could stop thinking about how Jason liked long baths.


Day 17:
I've run out of books to read and, more importantly for this exercise, words to write. Not that anything I've wrote hasn't felt like one big rambling mess. Most of the time I just keep asking myself 'Why bother?'

If I could sleep I would. I end up reading Shakespeare until i fall asleep and then wake back up in the morning, still sitting up against the headboard of my bed, no feeling in my legs from the weight of my Library Shakespeare pressing down on them all night. I don't know why I started reading it again anyway. Haven't picked up those plays since college. Not like you'd read King Lear to a six-year old anyway. I'd end up with Baum or Suess in my lap, they always had a way of making Jason smile. I assume it was the book, not the way I read it to him. No way to know cause I don't read out loud anymore. I used to. To myself. To Jason. It's different when there's no one there to listen.

SELECT BTS:
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1265814215.jpg
End of Day 1. Cleaning.
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts2.JPG
BATHROOM DAY 2 AFTER CLEANING AND PAINTING
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts3.JPG
NOTHING CAN BREAK JASON'S CONCENTRATION, NOT EVEN A SHINY MAC LAPTOP
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts4.JPG
ROCKING THE 70-200 ON A ZAZASLIDER PROTOTYPE
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts5.JPG
CHALKBOARD PAINT = INSTANT MISE EN SCENE
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts6.JPG
TIM LOVES TUBES
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts7.JPG
BEN WATCHES JASON ROCK THE FISHEYE ON THE SPIDERBRACE

Ben Sliker
02-05-2010, 07:46 PM
GRABS!

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab1.jpg

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab2.jpg

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab3.jpg

Ben Sliker
02-05-2010, 07:46 PM
script written. script refined. script scrapped. script written. script refined. script sent out for feedback. script scrapped. script written. script re-written 7 more times.

shooting Feb. 9th.

RodThompson
02-05-2010, 07:49 PM
Damn it! Badassery inbound...

Nemesis TS
02-05-2010, 08:03 PM
Well the poster has my interest for sure... Can't wait.

ramsaur
02-05-2010, 09:08 PM
Title caught my attention. Sounds very interesting and looking much forward to it.

jasonthewho
02-05-2010, 09:15 PM
Oh hi der!

ZazaCast
02-05-2010, 09:31 PM
BooYah...Sliker in the house...take cover!

Charli
02-06-2010, 02:19 AM
Best poster so far.

Rodney V. Smith
02-08-2010, 06:20 AM
welcome back!

distich
02-08-2010, 06:16 PM
Shooting begins tomorrow. I'm pumped and proud to be a part of this project! Looking forward to an exciting shoot.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
02-09-2010, 11:15 AM
I knew this was coming after I read this last month in Scriptfest...



This one didn't make the cut.

Oops ... I guess I let the cat out of the bag.

:D

Good luck!

MAH

Troy Ruff
02-09-2010, 05:26 PM
Great poster! I cant wait to see. :)

distich
02-10-2010, 06:54 AM
Last day of shooting begins! Everyone is working hard to make this the best damn short it can be and so far it looks amazing!

Oh and I think Ben is going to post some pics soon to blow your minds.

Ben Sliker
02-10-2010, 07:04 AM
consider your minds blown.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1265814215.jpg

End of Day 1. Cleaning.

Tim Joy
02-10-2010, 07:10 AM
Awesome. So it's the story of a microchip that betrays it frontside bus and decides to WRITE 01110010...2 !? :badputer:

ZazaCast
02-10-2010, 07:36 AM
It's hard to get those blood stains out of the grout isn't it?

Ki-Ki
02-10-2010, 07:55 AM
Zaza's talking from a lot of murderous experience here, where do you think his crew's gone..

jasonthewho
02-10-2010, 06:10 PM
consider your minds blown.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/5649/1265814215.jpg

End of Day 1. Cleaning.

Don't lie, this is definitely a screen grab from the film.

Edgen
02-10-2010, 06:35 PM
Cool.... always liked your films, Ben and looking forward to seeing this one.

Good luck!
/j

Ben Sliker
02-10-2010, 07:31 PM
Don't lie, this is definitely a screen grab from the film.

you got me ... it's Matt and I's version of Sunshine Cleaning.

Ben Sliker
02-10-2010, 07:41 PM
ok, new BTS shot. I'm exhausted but we are in the can and it was an awesome shoot.

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/BTS1.jpg

Ben Sliker
02-13-2010, 03:17 PM
MORE BTS POSTED. ~2:00 of rough edit done.

ZazaCast
02-13-2010, 07:18 PM
LOVE the new BTS picts!

Ben Sliker
02-14-2010, 03:24 PM
Actor's Headshots added.

Noel Evans
02-14-2010, 05:19 PM
Look forward to it Ben. I'm a big fan. Also looking forward to seeing Tim Holt in action again.

Bigmagic
02-15-2010, 03:37 AM
I am really looking forward to seeing this one.

Rodney V. Smith
02-15-2010, 11:18 AM
How's the rough edit shaping up?

Ben Sliker
02-15-2010, 06:09 PM
Look forward to it Ben. I'm a big fan. Also looking forward to seeing Tim Holt in action again.

I'm a bit bias, but I think Tim really knocked it out of the park on this one.


I am really looking forward to seeing this one.

Thanks!


How's the rough edit shaping up?

Well, around ~5:40. Got a lot of editing done late Sat. night, but had a heavy work schedule this weekend at SPEED with the Daytona 500 taking FOREVER AND A DAY TO FINISH. Took today off as a 'Valentine's Day' with the fiance, but it's exciting to see the picture come together as a whole instead of just a bunch of parts. Lots of work to do in the next two days. Maybe have a picture lock by Wed., latest by Fri.

Threemo
02-15-2010, 08:07 PM
Ladybug.

Ben Sliker
02-15-2010, 11:01 PM
Ladybug.

god i love inside jokes. Thanks Jason, this made my night. *slow clap*

distich
02-16-2010, 06:15 AM
Ladybug.

I knew this was coming... I still contend the ladybug was asking for it! :)

Ben Sliker
02-16-2010, 09:06 AM
I am very excited to announce that Chris Hurn will be joining the ROM team as our composer. WEBSITE (http://www.chrishurn.com) IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2329043/)

Brandon Rice
02-16-2010, 01:25 PM
Chris rocks!

Maximus
02-16-2010, 02:41 PM
Chris is a great addition.

Look forward to seeing your film.

Ben Sliker
02-16-2010, 04:25 PM
alright, first assembly cut done. time to trim the fat. 1:27 of fat...

ZazaCast
02-16-2010, 05:05 PM
You can do it!

Ben Sliker
02-16-2010, 10:59 PM
had a good conversation with Mr. Bumby tonight and then went back to the editing chair. 6:12. She's a much skinnier lady. :)

Rodney V. Smith
02-17-2010, 05:28 AM
had a good conversation with Mr. Bumby tonight and then went back to the editing chair. 6:12. She's a much skinnier lady. :)

Man I can commiserate about the fat. Even a 4 page script can balloon up over 7 minutes once it gets to editing with pacing and everything else taken into consideration. shooting style is a major ballooner.

RodThompson
02-17-2010, 05:32 AM
Any screenshots of a shower with a kid as an actor raises red flags...

ZazaCast
02-17-2010, 06:09 AM
Man I can commiserate about the fat.

Yeah... those Cinnabon's will do that to you!:evil:

Ben Sliker
02-17-2010, 08:25 AM
Man I can commiserate about the fat. Even a 4 page script can balloon up over 7 minutes once it gets to editing with pacing and everything else taken into consideration. shooting style is a major ballooner.

Normally ... my fest scripts are between 4 and 6 pages. This one was 9. eek.


Yeah... those Cinnabon's will do that to you!:evil:

I cannot relate. What's body fat?

Rodney V. Smith
02-17-2010, 08:29 AM
I cannot relate. What's body fat?

You sire, have now earned the ire of the site's pudgier users. I'll personally have to buy you a Cinnabon or 3...

Ben Sliker
02-17-2010, 09:04 AM
You sire, have now earned the ire of the site's pudgier users. I'll personally have to buy you a Cinnabon or 3...

I accept. Good luck though, I've been trying to gain weight for 10 years, it's gonna take more than 3 Cinnabons!

Ben Sliker
02-17-2010, 09:15 AM
In ROM related news ... you have to be insane to make short films at this pace, i've confirmed it. There's no room for kindness to your footage. There's no time to go 'if we just give this part a little room to breath, it'll work'. Or having to cut parts that you put an insane amount of work into cause they ran too long or weren't as important as other parts. I was staring at something that was 7:30 long, thinking that if I tightening things up, I could get another 20-30 seconds out of it. Where in the holy hell am I going to cut another minute? Matt and I went frame by frame making wholesale cuts and restructuring parts to get closer, all the time we spent debating dialogue in the script stage seems futile when those parts end up on the cutting room floor.

Well, that's my brain fart for the day, in the end, I think we have a stronger movie because of it, and can't wait to share it with you guys.

chriscurl
02-17-2010, 09:29 AM
Well, that's my brain fart for the day, in the end, I think we have a stronger movie because of it, and can't wait to share it with you guys.

Looking forward to it!

Rodney V. Smith
02-17-2010, 10:09 AM
In ROM related news ... you have to be insane to make short films at this pace, i've confirmed it. There's no room for kindness to your footage. There's no time to go 'if we just give this part a little room to breath, it'll work'. Or having to cut parts that you put an insane amount of work into cause they ran too long or weren't as important as other parts. I was staring at something that was 7:30 long, thinking that if I tightening things up, I could get another 20-30 seconds out of it. Where in the holy hell am I going to cut another minute? Matt and I went frame by frame making wholesale cuts and restructuring parts to get closer, all the time we spent debating dialogue in the script stage seems futile when those parts end up on the cutting room floor.

Well, that's my brain fart for the day, in the end, I think we have a stronger movie because of it, and can't wait to share it with you guys.

I feel your pain. After so much culling of the dialog, so much of it just ends up on the floor. At least you didn't soak your actors with a hose in cold weather and then didn't end up using any of that footage.

Marlon Ladd
02-17-2010, 11:51 AM
Ben, from what you say, you sound really pleased with your film. I'm excited to check it out. Oh and btw, I'm also in that same club speaking of body fat. Hell, I can't gain weight either. Who are these guys??

Ben Sliker
02-17-2010, 02:30 PM
Ben, from what you say, you sound really pleased with your film.

I am. There is a daunting amount of work to be done here in the next 16 (eek!) days...

Oh, and ... Last pass: 6:01:10.

*edit. 5:58:22.

Ben Sliker
02-19-2010, 01:37 PM
exporting picture lock... no turning back now...

Marlon Ladd
02-19-2010, 02:16 PM
BS, Ben. You got plenty of time to turn back. :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

Seriously, good job. Can't wait to check it out.

Jaime V
02-19-2010, 04:18 PM
I've missed quite a few fests so it's good to be back and seeing what everyone is up to.

Your film looks really interesting. I'm trying to figure out how a shower, the chalkboard, a man, a boy and some piece of electronics with a ROM chip come together :)


As others have said, your poster looks pretty slick. Good luck man.

Rodney V. Smith
02-19-2010, 07:22 PM
I am jealous of your picture lock. I have NO idea when I'll be able to utter those words. Good job you guys.

Ben Sliker
02-19-2010, 08:02 PM
Your film looks really interesting. I'm trying to figure out how a shower, the chalkboard, a man, a boy and some piece of electronics with a ROM chip come together :)

here, i'll try and help, let's play a game. All of these 'b' words have something to do with our film:

barf.
bill shakespeare.
blackboard.
black beard.
brains.

Ben Sliker
02-20-2010, 10:55 AM
GRABS!

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab1.jpg

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab2.jpg

vnguyen972
02-20-2010, 11:07 AM
wow... grabs look sick... i love the look

jasonthewho
02-20-2010, 01:17 PM
Finally some F'ing grabs! Looks sweet.

Ben Sliker
02-21-2010, 02:33 PM
pickups tomorrow. I'm sure Joe (sound design) and Chris (score) will appreciate new picture locks without black spaces that say 'placeholder'. :)

but seriously, holy cow this project has been a timesuck! I feel like it's all I do! (good and bad thing)

working with the 7D has been very interesting and I'm really pleased with the results, even though we had to work around some of it's issues. The worst was having to sync dialogue that was recorded separately on an HVX. god that took forever....

dre83
02-21-2010, 03:25 PM
Also looking forward to it.

dre83
02-21-2010, 03:27 PM
pickups tomorrow. I'm sure Joe (sound design) and Chris (score) will appreciate new picture locks without black spaces that say 'placeholder'. :)

but seriously, holy cow this project has been a timesuck! I feel like it's all I do! (good and bad thing)

working with the 7D has been very interesting and I'm really pleased with the results, even though we had to work around some of it's issues. The worst was having to sync dialogue that was recorded separately on an HVX. god that took forever....



yeah, syncing dialogue is always something.... time-spending.
"mmh, I think it's 2 frames to soon.. oh no, now it's 3 frames to late.. mhh, maybe 1 frame more ?"

Ben Sliker
02-22-2010, 10:19 PM
pick-ups went well. :)

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab3.jpg

ZazaCast
02-22-2010, 10:40 PM
pick-ups went well. :)

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab3.jpg

You can get medication for that you know....:thumbsup:

Ben Sliker
02-24-2010, 05:09 PM
Daniel's Blog:


Day One:
i can't believe i'm doing this. No matter how much i write, nothing is going to bring him back. This morning brings the familiar ring ring. It's mom. Some overpaid psychologist told her to start a journal. Something something grieving process. The usual lines, she's worried so i should be worried. She wants me to write one. I tell her grieve her way i'll grieve mine. That comforts me but doesn't do much for her. So... I bite the bullet and my tongue to type you this.

I'm not sure what she expects me to write. Like words provide an answer, it's numbers for me now. The ones and the zeroes. They make sense, they're logical, i just can't keep them all in my head. I need somewhere to store them. Browse them. Reference them. Process them. I think if i did i could forget them. I could forget him. I could stop thinking about how Jason liked long baths.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
02-24-2010, 07:36 PM
The grabs look slick, Sliker. :)

Love the look that you have going on. Are they finished grabs?
Very nice either way.

MAH

chriscurl
02-24-2010, 07:42 PM
but seriously, holy cow this project has been a timesuck! I feel like it's all I do! (good and bad thing)



I hear ya, no way can I take something this big on again with the next fest, would be bad for my sanity, my job, my wallet, my social life, my pants size, etc, etc, etc

Ben Sliker
02-24-2010, 07:53 PM
The grabs look slick, Sliker. :)

Love the look that you have going on. Are they finished grabs?
Very nice either way.

MAH

It's very close. We shot on the 7D so I wanted to get the look as close as possible in cam so i didn't have to do any harsh color correction. (probably a good rule with any cam, but moreso with the VDSLRs)

We have a very short list of things left to do, but they're all big ... thanks for checkin' in!

just2me
02-25-2010, 11:02 AM
yeah, syncing dialogue is always something.... time-spending.
"mmh, I think it's 2 frames to soon.. oh no, now it's 3 frames to late.. mhh, maybe 1 frame more ?"

not looking forward to sound syncing... but looking forward to seeing this film! :Drogar-Happy(DBG):

Ben Sliker
02-25-2010, 11:21 AM
not looking forward to sound syncing... but looking forward to seeing this film! :Drogar-Happy(DBG):

yeah, the worst part is when you have two frames that sound exactly the same on playback and end up spending ten minutes moving the sound back and forth one frame trying to decide which is 'correct' ... (when in reality, no one will ever notice. lol.)

got the first draft of the score from Chris today. yay!

Ben Sliker
02-25-2010, 05:02 PM
become a fan!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/ROM-A-film-by-Benjamin-Sliker-and-Matthew-Bumby/357914440615

Rodney V. Smith
02-25-2010, 05:24 PM
linked your page fromtheBetrayalfest page. http://www.facebook.com/pages/BetrayalFest-2010/225675127076?ref=nf

Ben Sliker
02-26-2010, 09:04 AM
thanks Rodney!

didn't do many pencil drawings for storyboards this time around, (shot 7D so i could shoot most of my boards with my D70s), but here's one that stuck around from Day One, through all the script changes.

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/sb_1.jpg

just2me
02-26-2010, 11:02 AM
yeah, the worst part is when you have two frames that sound exactly the same on playback and end up spending ten minutes moving the sound back and forth one frame trying to decide which is 'correct' ... (when in reality, no one will ever notice. lol.)

got the first draft of the score from Chris today. yay!

'(when in reality, no one will ever notice.)' - you know. but YOU do! :shocked: lol
but it's about knowing and working on those details that add up to making a great film, right...? :cheesy:

Rodney V. Smith
02-26-2010, 11:47 AM
thanks Ben! Hope we can get everyone to submit to the thread.

How are things going on your end? Ready to upload yet?

Marlon Ladd
02-26-2010, 11:58 AM
Hey, Ben, on a scale of 1 being the worst and 10 being the best, how close did you get your film to being like how you envisioned it? Does that make sense?

Ben Sliker
02-26-2010, 11:58 AM
thanks Ben! Hope we can get everyone to submit to the thread.

How are things going on your end? Ready to upload yet?

let's see ... chris is working on the second draft of the score, joe is doing his thing on what i can only imagine is a beefy time suck of a sound design, matt just finished the title effects, i'm working on cleaning up my color correction and honing my masking skills on a few effects shots. i ... think ... after all that is done ... we'll be ready.

Ben Sliker
02-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Hey, Ben, on a scale of 1 being the worst and 10 being the best, how close did you get your film to being like how you envisioned it? Does that make sense?

Marlon, that's a super interesting question, and as I'm waiting for some FCP files to render ... I've got some time.

As far as QUALITY goes, I couldn't tell you yet. My films tend to get dramatically different once sound and score and effects are added. (I'm obviously hoping for a 9 or 10 here. lol.)

But I think what you are asking is - 'is this the film that we set out to shoot?' On a scale of 1-10, I'd say about a 7. There are some elements of the film that are EXACTLY like I thought they would be, but there are things that get changed or created while we are on set or in the edit room that you just can't plan for, regardless if you storyboard it down to the frame (which I tend to do). For this project, most of the changes that I made in the edit had to do with keeping a consistent tone throughout the movie. There were lines/actions that in the script and in the rehearsal sounded great and fit at the time, but on the timeline weren't very consistent. I also had a unique challenge of cutting down the film to 6:00 which required re-shoots to do so. Matt and I had about a 2 hour conversation to chop about 1:30 from the film (from the way we had originally imagined it), which required some different transitions to get in and out of scenes and restructuring a small montage, not to mention tossing a bunch of stuff out. And, of course, having to weigh which parts of your film are the most important while still keeping in mind 'Will this make sense to the audience?'

Is it a better film for it? Yes. I think so. But definitely different.

Marlon Ladd
02-26-2010, 12:31 PM
Marlon, that's a super interesting question, and as I'm waiting for some FCP files to render ... I've got some time.

As far as QUALITY goes, I couldn't tell you yet. My films tend to get dramatically different once sound and score and effects are added. (I'm obviously hoping for a 9 or 10 here. lol.)

But I think what you are asking is - 'is this the film that we set out to shoot?' On a scale of 1-10, I'd say about a 7. There are some elements of the film that are EXACTLY like I thought they would be, but there are things that get changed or created while we are on set or in the edit room that you just can't plan for, regardless if you storyboard it down to the frame (which I tend to do). For this project, most of the changes that I made in the edit had to do with keeping a consistent tone throughout the movie. There were lines/actions that in the script and in the rehearsal sounded great and fit at the time, but on the timeline weren't very consistent. I also had a unique challenge of cutting down the film to 6:00 which required re-shoots to do so. Matt and I had about a 2 hour conversation to chop about 1:30 from the film (from the way we had originally imagined it), which required some different transitions to get in and out of scenes and restructuring a small montage, not to mention tossing a bunch of stuff out. And, of course, having to weigh which parts of your film are the most important while still keeping in mind 'Will this make sense to the audience?'

Is it a better film for it? Yes. I think so. But definitely different.
Yeah, I think that's the ultimate goal. Trying to bring the vision you have in your head to fruition. I feel like even if you get close, you're doing very, very well. There are inevitably problems and issues that always come up that are out of our control, but I think that sign of a good filmmaker when you can make the changes necessary on the fly when these things come up and still be able to make a great film. It's funny though, because there are times where it feels like a trade-off. I've had times where certain shots didn't turn out like I wanted whereas others turned out better than I could have imagined.

On a side note - cutting out a minute and a half from the film had to be painful, but it sounds like you guys worked it out.

On another side note - wish I had some down time while rendering files. Hope to be there soon.

Oh, what cam. did you shoot on?

Ben Sliker
02-26-2010, 01:00 PM
Oh, what cam. did you shoot on?

Canon 7D with:
70-200MM f2.8 IS
17-55mm f2.8 IS
15mm f2.8 fisheye

It's funny, you add the body and those lenses up and you're about at what an HVX cost (well ... new) We had to work around some of the 'quirks', but we couldn't have gotten some of the shots we did with an HVX, and I was super happy to be rid of the NOISE.

I'm still trying to decide which I'd prefer to shoot on if i had to make a decision...

Marlon Ladd
02-26-2010, 01:18 PM
I hear ya.' The HVX is so bulky and big compared to the new age cameras.

Ben Sliker
02-26-2010, 02:08 PM
haha ... well the 7d with the 70-200 on it isn't exactly 'small'. but rocking a slim lens like the fisheye gives you some cool options.

Rodney V. Smith
02-26-2010, 02:17 PM
How much does it end up weighing? I imagine it would be easier to fly on a steadicam or a jib... if it had an external display...

Ben Sliker
02-26-2010, 03:21 PM
How much does it end up weighing? I imagine it would be easier to fly on a steadicam or a jib... if it had an external display...

well, according to B&H -
body + 70-200 = 5.3 lbs
body + fisheye = 2.5 lbs
body + 17-55 = 3.2 lbs

interesting enough the HVX is 5.2 lbs... less than the 70-200 combo.

Marlon Ladd
02-26-2010, 03:51 PM
Yeah, but that's the HVX with no attachments, right? So, put a lens adapter on there and it's even bigger and longer.

Rodney V. Smith
02-26-2010, 03:53 PM
HVX + Brevis w/Flip + Rails + Follow Focus + Rail Mount = 20lbs

Mirror Mirror was the first narrative shoot that I've used the naked HVX on and it was surprisingly light. Still would have killed for better lowlight abilities though.

Ben Sliker
02-26-2010, 08:52 PM
Daniel's Blog:


Day 17:
I've run out of books to read and, more importantly for this exercise, words to write. Not that anything I've wrote hasn't felt like one big rambling mess. Most of the time I just keep asking myself 'Why bother?'

If I could sleep I would. I end up reading Shakespeare until i fall asleep and then wake back up in the morning, still sitting up against the headboard of my bed, no feeling in my legs from the weight of my Library Shakespeare pressing down on them all night. I don't know why I started reading it again anyway. Haven't picked up those plays since college. Not like you'd read King Lear to a six-year old anyway. I'd end up with Baum or Suess in my lap, they always had a way of making Jason smile. I assume it was the book, not the way I read it to him. No way to know cause I don't read out loud anymore. I used to. To myself. To Jason. It's different when there's no one there to listen.

Ben Sliker
02-28-2010, 08:29 PM
tick tock tick tock ... 5 days and counting.

One of these days i'll finish my entry early...

Rodney V. Smith
02-28-2010, 08:31 PM
One of these days i'll finish my entry early...

HA! That will be the day Sliker... that will be the same day that the film I announce is the film I submit!

ZazaCast
02-28-2010, 08:45 PM
tick tock tick tock ... 5 days and counting.

One of these days i'll finish my entry early...


HA! That will be the day Sliker... that will be the same day that the film I announce is the film I submit!

These are the traits of great filmmakers...you will both rock the fest!:thumbsup:

Ben Sliker
02-28-2010, 09:14 PM
These are the traits of great filmmakers...you will both rock the fest!:thumbsup:

thanks zaza, couldn't have done it without that fancy slider of yours (which ... i promise will be back in the mail tomorrow.)

And as I have zero mental capacity to work on my effects shots anymore tonight, (thank goodness for mon-wed off!) here's a couple more BTS shots that were taken by Michael's (the 6 Y.O.) mom, Lyn.

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts8.jpg

director? kid wrangler? one in the same. if only all actors were this easy to pick up and move around.

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts9.jpg

from the left: Marie (food) and the future Mrs. Sliker | tall, really white kid me | AD and co-writer Matt | The man manning the 7D, Jason | childhood friend and grip Kevin


and yes ... i've given up on changing the font of all my posts ....

ZazaCast
02-28-2010, 09:20 PM
Cheers!

Mike@AF
02-28-2010, 11:34 PM
I like the poster. And from your frame grabs the cinematography looks exceptional.

jasonthewho
03-01-2010, 12:27 AM
and yes ... i've given up on changing the font of all my posts ....

Thank Jesus.

And yes, I'm ready for your film to kick my film's ass.

Ben Sliker
03-01-2010, 04:36 PM
Thank Jesus.

And yes, I'm ready for your film to kick my film's ass.

c'mon now. my film features a 6 y.o. and a depressed british guy, yours has bows and arrows and what i can only assume is an alien who can shoot mind bullets (that's telekinesis kyle).

I'd put 20 on your film to win in a fistfight. :)

Ben Sliker
03-03-2010, 10:17 AM
Chris. Hurn. Rocks.

Not only do I love the cues that he's put together, but he kinda saved us when the plan for music fell through a few weeks back and has taken all of my suggestions and feedback to heart in making changes. It has been a pleasure working with him!

Brandon Rice
03-03-2010, 10:22 AM
:thumbsup:

Chris Messineo
03-04-2010, 05:47 PM
Professional poster, great bts shots, and gorgeous stills - I'm really looking forward to this.

Ben Sliker
03-05-2010, 07:23 AM
Thanks Chris!!!

Thank god I'm a wiz at encoding ... would never be able to pull this last minute stuff off...

pborghee
03-05-2010, 09:03 AM
Awesome pics man, cant wait to see this film. Good luck!

Ben Sliker
03-05-2010, 12:08 PM
Awesome pics man, cant wait to see this film. Good luck!

Thanks! I have all my files here at work and a 45 meg internet connection, just gotta find a little time to export and upload. Still 16 hours left. No biggie. :)

Ben Sliker
03-05-2010, 06:54 PM
ok ... got final sound, got final score .... and I'm still at work...

need to make a small credit change at home, and i'll be good to go! Still 9 hours left... I'm good right? RIGHT?

Tim Joy
03-05-2010, 08:08 PM
Right. :) :) :).

ChrisHurn
03-05-2010, 08:23 PM
:beer:

Richard J. Johnson
03-05-2010, 08:23 PM
looks damn good!

Ben Sliker
03-05-2010, 09:07 PM
exporting ...

Richard J. Johnson
03-05-2010, 09:09 PM
Get it done man. I need to see this one dammit!

Mike@AF
03-05-2010, 09:33 PM
I want to see this one. Hope all goes smoothly with getting it up and approved.

Ben Sliker
03-05-2010, 09:46 PM
well, i did some math before i encoded based on my tests ... this one should end up at 59.94 mb ... think that'll come around to bite me in the butt?

HEY ... WHO GAVE ME A 1 STAR RATING? TIM JOY! WHERE ARE YOU, YOU FIEND!

*EDIT ... 60.9 MB ... SON OF A ...

Tim Joy
03-05-2010, 11:56 PM
HEY ... WHO GAVE ME A 1 STAR RATING? TIM JOY! WHERE ARE YOU, YOU FIEND!
..

oops, i did it again.

Actually, I thought you could change those after voting, but NO. It doesn't want to do it. What happens if a really crappy thread gets better and you want to reflect that in the meaningless thread rating? Like with the addition of more ROM in the ROM thread?

?????

Ben Sliker
03-06-2010, 12:00 AM
Are you trying to call my thread crappy? :)

Rodney V. Smith
03-06-2010, 12:54 AM
ROM is approved. Yay.

just2me
03-06-2010, 06:09 AM
yay~ :)

Tim Joy
03-06-2010, 06:36 AM
Are you trying to call my thread crappy? :)


no no no no. It's a fine thread indeed, especially since I got involved. It was merely a hypothetical proposition on a make-pretend story that in the other world where "one's" thread is of the "southern land" and then resurrected by inclusion of one or more additions to make it more of a "northern land" -type material (could be ROM, could be RAM, could be SCSI, or even a PCMCIA slot) and thus, the initial thread rating is no longer valid and must be changed, BUT YOU CAN'T!

Does that make sense? Why are all my keys on backwards? Oh god, I need sleep.

Ben Sliker
03-06-2010, 07:50 AM
Does that make sense? Why are all my keys on backwards? Oh god, I need sleep.

lol. i just got up, feel like i got hit by a ton of bricks. who knows what i uploaded last night... could be my film, could be a pirate copy of last week's 'the office'... either way, should be good to watch.

i would like to thank jason ramsey for sticking in there with me, i always seem to forget that i have upload troubles ... every ... fest ... i ... enter...

Ben Sliker
03-06-2010, 11:59 AM
couple of credits to add:

Starring - Tom Olson as the voice of 'OZ'

and apparently when Joe fell asleep at the keyboard, Lana Bolin took over for him and rocked some more sound design.

Sound and Dialogue Editing - Joe Johnson AND Lana Bolin

Thanks Lana! It sounds great!

Richard J. Johnson
03-06-2010, 07:25 PM
Lighting, Set Design, Acting, Everything is EXCELLENT!! Fantastic film Ben, Great effing job!!!!! The kid was great.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
03-06-2010, 09:38 PM
Story: Very interesting story. I wasn't completely sold on the futuristic aspect of what he was pulling off in his bathtub but I didn't think about it much after the opening sequence. So in the end I guess you sold me. :)
The theme is in here and I get it, but I wanted a bit more of a sense of it. If that makes any sense? Great ending though.

Acting: Very solid. That and the kid stole the show for the brief time he was in it. Quite a natural talent. Nice directing here.

Technical: Great all around. I really liked the subtle use of music as well. The props and set design were also very top notch! Kudos on that. Nothing negative to say here.

Another very solid entry all around.

MAH

Ben Sliker
03-06-2010, 11:32 PM
Story: Very interesting story. I wasn't completely sold on the futuristic aspect of what he was pulling off in his bathtub but I didn't think about it much after the opening sequence. So in the end I guess you sold me. :)
The theme is in here and I get it, but I wanted a bit more of a sense of it. If that makes any sense? Great ending though.

Acting: Very solid. That and the kid stole the show for the brief time he was in it. Quite a natural talent. Nice directing here.

Technical: Great all around. I really liked the subtle use of music as well. The props and set design were also very top notch! Kudos on that. Nothing negative to say here.

Another very solid entry all around.

MAH


Mike! First off, thanks for the watch and the feedback.

We didn't have the intention of setting the story in the future; we scrapped that idea very early in the script writing process. I always thought of the whole thing as something you could build in a garage if you were smart enough, (or in this case a bathtub), cause if you approached anyone else with the idea of deleting specific memories, they'd think you were crazy.

We took a suggestion from JDS from the 'inspirations' thread of betraying someone for their own good. Daniel wants to get rid of the day his son dies, and Oz betrays him so he can't, forcing him to deal with his memories in a more 'natural' manner. (Daniel is also betraying nature by wanting to alter his brain, and of course, that has consequences too, e.g. the sickness from pulling the recordings of his memories.)

I don't know if that gives you more of a sense of the theme we were going for, but heck, Matt and I thought about it for two months, might as well let someone else know!

Thank you very much for the compliments on the acting and direction, it gives me the opportunity to spill a little about Michael as well here. The best thing about working with him was his ability to memorize his lines. There were ZERO takes where he forgot a line, which left more time to focus on the rest of his mannerisms, etc. His performance also get better and better through the directions i gave him through the audition and rehearsal process. Of course, the biggest challenge was trying to get a 6 y.o. to 'be still', i wish i could bottle that energy.

And, of course, Tim is just, well, the man.

GoodLuck
03-07-2010, 12:04 AM
I think everyone has different taste in movies and some people will hate something that someone else really likes. I went through and watched all the shorts and this one was my personal favorite one out of all of them. You get 10 stars from me!

Really love the story, the way it was shot and told and the acting. The whole concept of it was really interesting to see unfold and I liked the ending a lot. Amazing work! Looking forward to seeing more of your films in the future.

Ben Sliker
03-07-2010, 06:27 AM
Lighting, Set Design, Acting, Everything is EXCELLENT!! Fantastic film Ben, Great effing job!!!!! The kid was great.


I think everyone has different taste in movies and some people will hate something that someone else really likes. I went through and watched all the shorts and this one was my personal favorite one out of all of them. You get 10 stars from me!

Really love the story, the way it was shot and told and the acting. The whole concept of it was really interesting to see unfold and I liked the ending a lot. Amazing work! Looking forward to seeing more of your films in the future.

Wow. Thanks guys, we really appreciate the comments. We'll keep making 'em, I promise!

Michael Anthony Horrigan
03-07-2010, 08:58 AM
Hey, Ben.

Yah, I know it wasn't set in the future. That's why I commented on the futuristic aspect of it all. The Jarvis-like AI and the bathtub dream retrieval system.
We just don't have the chance of pulling that stuff off at home yet, or do we? :)

Still, I bought into it and enjoyed the film because you did it so well.

Kudos.

MAH

ZazaCast
03-07-2010, 09:17 AM
Ben...wow, your films never cease to amaze me (but then again so do shiny objects!).
This one, like all the others, is so well crafted in all respects. From the locations to
the lighting, casting, acting, direction, camera movement, edit, sound design, score, VFX...you just nail it.

The thing I like best is that when I'm watching one of your films...I forget I'm watching a film and find myself
drawn into the story and it's characters. Michael & Tim did an outstanding job.

Congratulations to all involved in one of my favorites of the fest!
:happy:

Ben Sliker
03-07-2010, 09:53 AM
Hey, Ben.

Yah, I know it wasn't set in the future. That's why I commented on the futuristic aspect of it all. The Jarvis-like AI and the bathtub dream retrieval system.
We just don't have the chance of pulling that stuff off at home yet, or do we? :)

Still, I bought into it and enjoyed the film because you did it so well.

Kudos.

MAH

Nice! Thanks, yeah, just wanted to confirm because way back in the first draft of the script we had it set about 40-50 years in the future, but ended up ditching most of those elements, it originally had a more cyberpunk feel and the protagonist sold memories as drugs. Wow how that changed.

hey ... wait a second ... Jarvis isn't real? ... damn.

Ben Sliker
03-07-2010, 09:57 AM
Ben...wow, your films never cease to amaze me (but then again so do shiny objects!).
This one, like all the others, is so well crafted in all respects. From the locations to
the lighting, casting, acting, direction, camera movement, edit, sound design, score, VFX...you just nail it.

The thing I like best is that when I'm watching one of your films...I forget I'm watching a film and find myself
drawn into the story and it's characters. Michael & Tim did an outstanding job.

Congratulations to all involved in one of my favorites of the fest!
:happy:

I'm glad you could lose yourself in the film, filmmakers love to hear that. :) I have to extend another thank you to everyone involved who helped Matt and I craft the script. By far the most debated script I've been a part of, but I think it turned out for the best.

distich
03-07-2010, 10:17 AM
Thanks for the comments everyone! I'm glad to hear so many positive things. I just want to say thanks to the cast and crew for giving so much to this film. Especially Tim who came prepared and focused and really rocked my socks off. I had a blast working with everyone and hope to continue working with them in the future.

Ben did a fantastic job of putting this beast together and has been a great collaborator the whole way through. I hope everyone has as much fun watching it as I did making it!

Rodney V. Smith
03-07-2010, 10:20 AM
I just watched and had to pop in to say this: I LOVED IT. Kept saying to myself while watching: "Fucking Sliker..." over and over... just becasue of the shear awesomeness.

I'll be back later. Just sharing my gut response.

MattinSTL
03-07-2010, 10:43 AM
My random thoughts while watching ROM:

"If this isn't the fest winner... I have yet to see what is."

"HOLY SH*T this is good... this is the one I'll watch a dozen times."

"Everyone's jumping off the deck holding an umbrella and you just scorched by in an F-16."

"This is why I never give a film 10 stars until I've watched 'em all... so far this one is clearly in a league of it's own... right to the end."

distich
03-07-2010, 10:53 AM
My random thoughts while watching ROM:

"If this isn't the fest winner... I have yet to see what is."

"HOLY SH*T this is good... this is the one I'll watch a dozen times."

"Everyone's jumping off the deck holding an umbrella and you just scorched by in an F-16."

"This is why I never give a film 10 stars until I've watched 'em all... so far this one is clearly in a league of it's own... right to the end."

WOW. Coming from you that's one hell of a review. Thanks for all you do here, love reading your threads. And thanks for watching!

Tim Joy
03-07-2010, 10:55 AM
ok ROM, do you want the serious review, or the T-AIM review? Feel free to be democratic and let others weigh in.. or be hitler.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
03-07-2010, 10:56 AM
ok ROM, do you want the serious review, or the T-AIM review? Feel free to be democratic and let others weigh in.. or be hitler.
Both. :)

Ben Sliker
03-07-2010, 11:02 AM
ok ROM, do you want the serious review, or the T-AIM review? Feel free to be democratic and let others weigh in.. or be hitler.

Tim, I'll take whatever you want to give me. :) Ah, the AIM sessions ... memories.

randin
03-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Loved it! Telling a real, moving human story through the lens of technology & fantasy = sci fi at its best.

namelok
03-07-2010, 03:12 PM
This movie made me want 7d. Great movie! My top 5 definitely

Mike@AF
03-07-2010, 03:54 PM
Excellent cinematography. Great acting, especially the kid who stole the show. Reading above what you were going for the film makes more sense to me now.

Even after you comments, I still feel like it was in the future, and the whole bathtub threw the film off for me a bit because of that. I think it was the fact that he's carrying on a complete conversation with the computer and working with this artificial intelligence to solve his dilemma. To me that puts us in the future, at least right now it does.

Overall, great film. Nice work!

Ben Sliker
03-07-2010, 04:30 PM
Excellent cinematography. Great acting, especially the kid who stole the show. Reading above what you were going for the film makes more sense to me now.

Even after you comments, I still feel like it was in the future, and the whole bathtub threw the film off for me a bit because of that. I think it was the fact that he's carrying on a complete conversation with the computer and working with this artificial intelligence to solve his dilemma. To me that puts us in the future, at least right now it does.

Overall, great film. Nice work!

Thanks! After considering it more, people thinking that it is set in the future doesn't really bother me, and I certainly don't think it effects the film.

I do want thank Mike for bringing up Jarvis from Iron Man, because it nailed my thoughts on the 'futureness' of the film. That film (although somewhat of an 'alternate' reality), exists in the present day. It's the same way I feel about this. The same way I feel about the time machine that the guys build in 'Primer', just cause it doesn't exist in the real world today, doesn't mean that the story has to be set in the future. (And i'm surprised I haven't drawn an 'eternal sunshine' comparison yet, but since it helps me here, what the heck, it reminds me of the machine they use in that movie too.)

I can't say thank you enough to everyone for watching our film and the positive feedback. I am truly excited because, for the most part, this was an entire crew of people who had never made a movie together before, and it really came out great.

Ben Sliker
03-07-2010, 04:31 PM
Loved it! Telling a real, moving human story through the lens of technology & fantasy = sci fi at its best.

THANKS!!!


This movie made me want 7d. Great movie! My top 5 definitely

it's a neat little camera. definitely some benefits and drawbacks but a great tool. Glad you liked the final result!

Chris_Keaton
03-07-2010, 04:42 PM
Loved this story. One of the tops. Great Job! Is it me or was that kid a slightly bit creepy. :)

RodThompson
03-07-2010, 04:58 PM
As a father...this was just an awesome story. Top 3 easily.

Stephen Mick
03-07-2010, 05:26 PM
With the Oscars about to start, I'm posting my last review for today…

http://www.filmeveryday.com/2010/03/07/rom-a-dvxuser-betrayal-fest-film/

Tim Joy
03-07-2010, 05:40 PM
It did make me think of 'eternal sunshine...', both with the production design and machines having to do with memories.

distich
03-07-2010, 05:43 PM
I'm floored by the enthusiasm shown for our little project. I can't thank everyone enough for your honest opinions. It is exciting to see others understanding so much when given so little time.

Christopher Blake
03-07-2010, 05:55 PM
Just watched this again. I love this type of story, and it gets better each time. Wonderful, and the boy was amazing. The actor playing Daniel was perfect as well. Nothing took me out of the story, I was hooked from the beginning.

Great job.

pborghee
03-07-2010, 06:04 PM
I can only say a few words about this film. F*CK DUDE YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON!!!!!

Ben Sliker
03-07-2010, 06:05 PM
Loved this story. One of the tops. Great Job! Is it me or was that kid a slightly bit creepy. :)

creepy kid = mission accomplished!


As a father...this was just an awesome story. Top 3 easily.

Thanks Rod!


With the Oscars about to start, I'm posting my last review for today…

http://www.filmeveryday.com/2010/03/07/rom-a-dvxuser-betrayal-fest-film/

Thank you. That was simply amazing.


It did make me think of 'eternal sunshine...', both with the production design and machines having to do with memories.

our first script was a cross between minority report and 2001. SCRAPPED! :)


Just watched this again. I love this type of story, and it gets better each time. Wonderful, and the boy was amazing. The actor playing Daniel was perfect as well. Nothing took me out of the story, I was hooked from the beginning.

Great job.

I really hope that Tim Holt stays around the area cause I would love to make films with him for a long time. And he's British, but we won't hold that against him. :bath: man ... it's hard to do my job with all of this and the oscars going on...

Homunculus
03-07-2010, 09:09 PM
wow, watched about 20-25 films so far with my girlfriend and both of us agree that this is the best or one of the 2 best that we've seen so far.

1. the most convincing and AUTHENTIC acting so far by your main lead whoever he is (not bad little kid either)

2. some of the directing/editing was the most realistic and authentic also

3. the story was incredible as well. good job, this could be the winner or one of the top 3

mark menditto
03-07-2010, 10:08 PM
Great story, performances and I dig all the shots and effects. Definitely a favorite so far. Good luck with the competition.

Blaine
03-07-2010, 10:56 PM
Ben, I looked forward to watching this. After what I thought was a bit of a mis-step with Desideratum it good to see you bounce back on great form. This is the best thing you've done since In Pieces. In fact, this is probably the best thing I've seen from you to date and I was a big fan of In Pieces.

I liked the fact that you were able to take your time with this and let the story unfold...unrushed but relentless. You seem to have put the whole package together with this one...story, acting and visuals. I've been impressed with the look of the shorts in this fest so if all you had were good pictures, you might be in trouble. BUT, you have added a good story to go along with the good pictures and that sets you above the others I have seen so far. Good job.

SonicStates
03-08-2010, 07:29 AM
Ben, I was floored by your movie. Everything was right on the money. An unusual storyline (I likes unusual) but beautifully executed. Acting was topnotch. Cinematography was brilliant. Sound was nice, too. Not much else to be said...just great!
Thanks
Sam.

vnguyen972
03-08-2010, 07:34 AM
Nice film. The bathtub scene reminds me of The Butterfly Effect :-)
Great acting, great cinematography and great sound. I'm with Chris... the kid was a bit creepy when he first appeared on screen :-)

john johnson
03-08-2010, 07:57 AM
One of my favorites, really intelligent story line, good writing and thoroughly gripping!

Tim Joy
03-08-2010, 08:40 AM
The kid had a slight resemblance to a cross between "the architect" in the Matrix 2 and the "there is no spoon" kid in Matrix 1.

killacam
03-08-2010, 08:42 AM
very nice story- this was moving as well. I can see the eternal sunshine and butterfly effect comparisons a few people have mentioned in that it deals with someone trying to forget or change their memories, and you could maybe even throw memento in there as well (not exactly trying to forget a memory as much as remembering one but a similarly painful memory being revealed at the end). it was a little slow for me when he and the computer are talking but not overly so. the reveal where he finds out his son drowned was very powerful though and oz taking the form of his son was a great great touch. as far as the effects, the graphics for oz on the computer screen were very good, and I really appreciated the effect of oz as his son flickering in and out in the false reality at the end. good job though and nicely done. I actually wasn't too fond of the coloring on this though- maybe it was just in comparison to the videotape-y memory clips (which I thought were well done) but I thought some of it looked just a little plasticky. I don't want to sound too critical though since I still thought it was very well done and still one of my faves. gj

Bigmagic
03-08-2010, 09:02 AM
Great Job! I loved it very professional and enjoyable. You knocked it out of the park.

MSpencer
03-08-2010, 09:05 AM
the cinematography on this was awesome the sound was also really good. the scene where he's drawing the line on the chalk board the sound was so crisp. the story over all was awesome and the end the first time i watched it kindof threw me off a bit. but the second time it made a bit more sense and when you did the reveal of the son drowning was awesome it had a great build up to it.

over all this is in my top favorites. well done.

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 09:08 AM
man, i can barely keep up with these! Thanks for the comments everyone!



1. the most convincing and AUTHENTIC acting so far by your main lead whoever he is (not bad little kid either)
2. some of the directing/editing was the most realistic and authentic also
3. the story was incredible as well. good job, this could be the winner or one of the top 3

The best things about working with Tim is that 1. he's very prepared for his roles and 2. he takes direction incredibly well. This is my third project with him and it's been a pleasure each time.


Great story, performances and I dig all the shots and effects. Definitely a favorite so far. Good luck with the competition.

Shout out to Matt Bumby who designed all the monitors and elements, it made my job of animating the screens 100x easier. He's also responsible for the cool-ass title.


Ben, I looked forward to watching this. After what I thought was a bit of a mis-step with Desideratum it good to see you bounce back on great form. This is the best thing you've done since In Pieces. In fact, this is probably the best thing I've seen from you to date and I was a big fan of In Pieces.


One of the most important things for me is to be able to look back at my work and say 'this is the best thing I've done yet.' To always be learning and growing, so when that is confirmed by the audience, it's a huge payoff. Thanks Blaine!

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 09:20 AM
Ben, I was floored by your movie. Everything was right on the money. An unusual storyline (I likes unusual) but beautifully executed. Acting was topnotch. Cinematography was brilliant. Sound was nice, too. Not much else to be said...just great!
Thanks
Sam.

Can I tell you how silly this movie is without the sound design and score in place? OR! I should post the temp track of my voice as OZ that I edited to, that'll give you a good laugh.


Nice film. The bathtub scene reminds me of The Butterfly Effect :-)
Great acting, great cinematography and great sound. I'm with Chris... the kid was a bit creepy when he first appeared on screen :-)


The kid had a slight resemblance to a cross between "the architect" in the Matrix 2 and the "there is no spoon" kid in Matrix 1.

'Michael, stay frozen, look at Tim, always at Tim, stay frozen.' I think I said those words about 100x in a span of 4 hours. And kudos to Michael for letting me apply makeup directly to his eyelids. That was a bit of a challenge. :)

Tim, stop teasing me with these one sentence comments. Bring it!


I really appreciated the effect of oz as his son flickering in and out in the false reality at the end.

talk about a TIME SUCK those effects were. I am not, nor will I ever claim to be a visual effects artist, so I sincerely appreciate the compliments on the shots. Makes the hours and hours I spent in photoshop and Motion totally worth it!

Brandon Rice
03-08-2010, 10:06 AM
Rating - 9

Ben, you have been so faithful to participate in these fests, and your work has improved over the years! I think this is your best short to date. I watched it twice, and on the second viewing I was sucked in even more... it was a bittersweet story, and your actors pulled me right in. The score, as subtle as it was, was dead on. The effects were seamless, and again, the story and scenes were great. Your lead was excellent! I would argue one of the best performances of any DVXfest.

Anyway, great work my friend!

Tim Joy
03-08-2010, 10:16 AM
Can I tell you how silly this movie is without the sound design and score in place? OR! I should post the temp track of my voice as OZ that I edited to, that'll give you a good laugh.

'Michael, stay frozen, look at Tim, always at Tim, stay frozen.' I think I said those words about 100x in a span of 4 hours. And kudos to Michael for letting me apply makeup directly to his eyelids. That was a bit of a challenge. :)

Tim, stop teasing me with these one sentence comments. Bring it!



I'd like to hear that track.

So other than, "always look at Tim", how did you get that performance from Michael? He can't be more than 7-8? A very grown up performance indeed.

Don't worry, I'll make a compilation post of all the little comments into a giant review that you'll have to print out and read over the course of 17 days.

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 10:56 AM
I'd like to hear that track.

So other than, "always look at Tim", how did you get that performance from Michael? He can't be more than 7-8? A very grown up performance indeed.

Don't worry, I'll make a compilation post of all the little comments into a giant review that you'll have to print out and read over the course of 17 days.

I'll see what i can dig up. :)

Michael is actually just 6 and a half! Like I said before, he was wonderful at memorizing his lines. It was a very unique experience working with a child (in a speaking role) because you really have to throw out everything you know about direction and just find the best way to communicate with him. For instance, we referred to all the parts where he was laying on Tim's chest as 'nap time'.

And of course, kids at that age will take all direction very literally. We did two takes of the 'pull michael from the water' shot. My direction was 'don't come up out of the water until Mr. Tim grabs you.' I assumed (poorly) that Michael was going to slink down into the water instead of going head first (he was facing the wrong direction in take 1.) So I yelled cut and 'ok, michael, come up' ... he followed direction and did not come up. Here's a couple 'oh shi*' grabs of me pulling him out of the water.

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/water_pull.jpg
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/water_pull2.jpg

No real danger (he was holding his breath underwater for about 10 seconds) but lesson learned: Michael was going to follow my direction in a very precise manner!

Richard J. Johnson
03-08-2010, 12:56 PM
Re-watching my favs folder. This film is just powerful to me. Great job Ben. Absolutely one of the best of the fest, no question.

dougspice
03-08-2010, 01:04 PM
Nicely done. I'm rating this one highly. It was well executed and had a strong central core to it. I don't know if you've ever read Richard Powers' Galatea 2.2, but this strongly reminded me of that excellent, excellent book.

I thought everything came together really well in this film. There were only a handful of things I didn't like. The first was the voice of Oz – I found it distracting that Oz sounded basically like KITT, I felt it distracted from the earnestness of your excellent lead performance. I also had a problem with the boy's voice. While his performance was sound, I just had a really hard time understanding about half of what he said.

The final note is literally the final note... the film really built up this moment, and we're left with Daniel in the bathtub – but I didn't feel like this final shot really resolved the story for me, and on a level of pure technical execution it wasn't as attractive or interesting as most of the other shots in the movie, either. It sucks to end on a low note when so much of what you did was so excellent, but that ending didn't communicate to me.

Anyway. Fine work, one of my favorites!

Mark Harris
03-08-2010, 01:14 PM
Very good work Ben. You got genuine emotion out of me and I loved the details of Oz's relationship with his master. Just really good writing, I thought. The kind of writing that makes me mad because I wish I had come up with that simple, yet well thought out relationship.

I agree with Doug about the ending. But I think it might be solved for me, at least, with just like 30 more seconds. I felt like the cut off was abrupt due to the 6 min limit. Is there more you can give us to let the impact of that moment play out a little more?

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 01:24 PM
I thought everything came together really well in this film. There were only a handful of things I didn't like. The first was the voice of Oz – I found it distracting that Oz sounded basically like KITT, I felt it distracted from the earnestness of your excellent lead performance.


Ha. during our script re-hashing and scrapping and re-writes, i managed to write up a list of 'computer' voices that we wanted to try and avoid comparisons to. Cause the first script we wrote, was straight HAL 9000, and really unoriginal (as far as the voice of the computer went), and then I considered him being British like Tim, but I thought that might be too Jarvis. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought of KITT. It's a bummer that it was distracting for you.


Very good work Ben. You got genuine emotion out of me and I loved the details of Oz's relationship with his master. Just really good writing, I thought. The kind of writing that makes me mad because I wish I had come up with that simple, yet well thought out relationship.

I agree with Doug about the ending. But I think it might be solved for me, at least, with just like 30 more seconds. I felt like the cut off was abrupt due to the 6 min limit. Is there more you can give us to let the impact of that moment play out a little more?

You better believe there's more where that came from! I was definitely shaving frames off of early shots to make that last one as long as I could. I'm looking forward to diving back into the edit of this film, if not solely to let it breathe just a little bit more.

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 01:27 PM
Your lead was excellent! I would argue one of the best performances of any DVXfest.

Anyway, great work my friend!

Seriously, Briceman, you gotta PM me these kind of comments, now he's totally going to hose me on his rate for the next film. :violent5: :)

Brandon Rice
03-08-2010, 01:29 PM
Ah dude! I'm sorry :D

distich
03-08-2010, 02:02 PM
Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought of KITT.


LOL! :grin: KITT? I should have thought of that one, I could have paid homage by providing OZ with a red pulsing voice box. Man, so many missed opportunities...

dougspice
03-08-2010, 02:03 PM
Ha. during our script re-hashing and scrapping and re-writes, i managed to write up a list of 'computer' voices that we wanted to try and avoid comparisons to. Cause the first script we wrote, was straight HAL 9000, and really unoriginal (as far as the voice of the computer went), and then I considered him being British like Tim, but I thought that might be too Jarvis. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought of KITT. It's a bummer that it was distracting for you.

I wish I knew what the ideal solution would be off the top of my head. There's some pretty impressive text-to-speech synthesis these days, you might try that direction? It sounds like a person gone slightly wrong... probably most like WOPPR out of any example I can think of.

Or you could just use Auto-tune. :happy:




You better believe there's more where that came from! I was definitely shaving frames off of early shots to make that last one as long as I could. I'm looking forward to diving back into the edit of this film, if not solely to let it breathe just a little bit more.

Cool, I think that will absolutely help.


quick edit: in my earlier comments about the end I said "Michael in the bathtub" and obviously I meant "Daniel." I don't think that confused you but I fixed it now.

lyonfilms
03-08-2010, 02:22 PM
Ben -

One of my favorite films so far. Your poster lured me in and your film delivered. The lead was totally believable to me. Especially as he whispered to his "son" as he buried his head in his hair. Good stuff.

Nemesis TS
03-08-2010, 02:31 PM
The acting made this one. Great job by all three actors. The voice didn't sound like KITT to me it sounded like kevin spacey in Moon, I believe that was the name of it. I liked the computer's voice. I thought the set was really well done.

My buddy and I watched this one together and at the end we agreed we thought the acting was great, but were a bit lost with the story. Its rare that after watching a movie you say that was really good, I'm just not sure what was happening.

The way the kid speaks was a bit distracting, but his actions and everything else were awesome. Smart kid. Great directing, great acting, great interpretation of the theme of the fest.

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 03:16 PM
Ben -

One of my favorite films so far. Your poster lured me in and your film delivered. The lead was totally believable to me. Especially as he whispered to his "son" as he buried his head in his hair. Good stuff.

Thanks! Those were some really crazy moments in the bathroom, letting Tim get all worked up. Those moments when you are afraid to call cut cause he might have something more and just needs a little more time. When it's super still and quiet. Such cool stuff we get to do making films!

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 03:29 PM
Always love researching shots for inspiration before we shoot. Here are some ones that we loved the most:

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/matrix1.jpg
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab_comp2.jpg
i love the chaos of this shot, we wanted to try and replicate that. But everything has a purpose as well, like the microwave jammed in the bookcase, so you know that he only has to move about 2 feet to eat and then get back to trying to find Morpheus. Also tried to replicate the random placement of small lights.
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/matrix2.jpg
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab_comp1.jpg
Standard from behind monitor shot.
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/darkcity1.jpg
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab_comp3.jpg
there's a pretty limited number of films that have dudes in bathtubs. fortunately, dark city did it well (we also stole the swinging light bit from this scene)

dre83
03-08-2010, 03:34 PM
the computer voice is very nice... not to "cliché"... speaking at one tone, one level... without expression in the voice..very nice

Very nice sound design

I don't know if I have a real "betrayal" feeling....

The kid's acting was good though

Norm Sanders
03-08-2010, 04:40 PM
BOOM! And there you go. My only 10 star so far of another film in this fest ... excellent, EXCELLENT job, Ben! I believe this is your best yet. Excellent performances, cool story line, incredible visual effects, set design, and on & on. Well shot, sound design, score, etc. Practically flawless, and looked pro all the way.

My ONLY question would be when the PC said "Goodby Daniel", did that mean it turned itself off (killed itself) to save our lead? I wasn't clear on that. Also, didn't really know where the betrayal was in this, other than the PC not doing I suppose what the lead had wanted ... so betraying his interests, so to speak.

Regardless, my favorite from you yet. Wow.

Luis_
03-08-2010, 05:23 PM
this movie just made things difficult for me!!!
I thought I had a number 1 favorite already and then this!!!
This comes along!!!
This was flawless in every way!!!
This has been the only movie that had my eye balls 100% glued to the screen 100% of the time!
This flick captured me like I havent been captured in a long time!
From beginning to end flawless!
Amazing is not even a word that would be in the ballpark of describing this movie.

Awesome work!
Congratulations!!!

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 05:47 PM
the computer voice is very nice... not to "cliché"... speaking at one tone, one level... without expression in the voice..very nice


Thanks, Tom took the notes I gave him (and all my temp tracks) and put his own spin on it. And as promised, here's a snippet of the temp track of my voice that I edited to.

LINK (http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/ben_oz.wav)

Cant STAND my own voice on camera, what a relief it was to finally record Tom's voice during pickups.


BOOM! And there you go. My only 10 star so far of another film in this fest ... excellent, EXCELLENT job, Ben! I believe this is your best yet. Excellent performances, cool story line, incredible visual effects, set design, and on & on. Well shot, sound design, score, etc. Practically flawless, and looked pro all the way.

My ONLY question would be when the PC said "Goodby Daniel", did that mean it turned itself off (killed itself) to save our lead? I wasn't clear on that. Also, didn't really know where the betrayal was in this, other than the PC not doing I suppose what the lead had wanted ... so betraying his interests, so to speak.

Regardless, my favorite from you yet. Wow.

Thanks Norm! And you are spot on as far as the story goes, if Oz destroys himself, Daniel is forced to deal with his memories in a more natural manner. We took a suggestion in the 'inspirations' thread from JDS to do a film that deals with 'betraying someone for their own good' and ran with it.

but seriously ... remember our sci-fest entries? lol.



This flick captured me like I havent been captured in a long time!
From beginning to end flawless!
Amazing is not even a word that would be in the ballpark of describing this movie.

Awesome work!
Congratulations!!!

I'm speechless. Thank you.

Dauntless
03-08-2010, 05:48 PM
This was awesome!.. one of my favorites... I really like the effect on the kid vanishing at the end.. Also the flashbacks were really well done.. The computer reminded me of wargames. Great Job!

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 06:26 PM
How about a nice game of chess? :)




The W.O.P.R. sound is probably my favorite sound effect of all time.

Charli
03-08-2010, 07:11 PM
This was very intellectually filmed. Of all the films that I have watched it this time it has the best production value, the best emotional connection even though it's between machine and man, and the filming the inserts shots were just superb.

I also am not sure if there was a betrayal that there was a lot of honesty within the story which I found very compelling. Your actor was spot on!

This story ranks very high in my book and was done very well.

Tunnelmen
03-08-2010, 07:26 PM
I couldn't get here quick enough, even though I knew there would be nothing left to say. Set, shot selection, story, lighting, visual effects blah blah blah..check, check, check blah blah blah.....Simply the best. So cool man, gonna watch again and aspire to deliver on that level! I would try to find something that I didn't like but it would be in vain.

Tim Joy
03-08-2010, 08:53 PM
I've watched it 1/2 a dozen times now, and it's a movie that grows on you. Lot's of new detail I see each time.

Ben Sliker
03-08-2010, 11:35 PM
blah blah blah..check, check, check blah blah blah.....Simply the best.

rofl. i'll take it!


I've watched it 1/2 a dozen times now, and it's a movie that grows on you. Lot's of new detail I see each time.

if you watch it 50 times, 14 more seconds of hidden footage unlocks. :)

In all seriousness, thanks Tim. Definitely a goal of ours, the little details.

hmm, let see, a little detail that i can expand on ... all the wires in the bathtub scene were the kind used in home automation systems (lighting, music, etc.) we just split them open cause there's like 5 wires in each. There was also some multi-colored wire from a broke power supply in there.

Oh, and we grabbed a handful of dirt from outside to smear into the grout of my guest bathroom's tub. I don't recommend this. It takes industrial strength cleaner to get it clean again.

And lastly, I printed out like 200 labels and took the artwork out of a majority of my DVDs to create Daniel's library of impression backups. This was also awful to fix, every label left residue and I had to Goo Gone all the sticky grossness off. And I'm that guy who hates stickers and stuff on his movies and meticulously removes them upon purchase.

hoz
03-08-2010, 11:49 PM
this is sooo well done!! so smooth!

first off great casting! the two actors were spot on! and they deliver too! that kid was terrific!! great direction!

story- really reminded me of eternal sunshine - one of my favorite flicks of all time - esp the ending where both films are filled with meloncholy- i hated /loved the feeling of watching the main character lose his memory. of giving up. i hated it because the whole thing is so damn sad and i loved it because by facing the threat of losing it - i relive what i love in the first place. bravo!

what inspired you, if i may ask?

i also love the script - working in so many diff angles - keeping the story fresh and moving.

really loved the idea to use a chalk board amongst all of the modern day devices - it really grounds the film in my opinion - there is really something cool in filming a chalkboard. and you and your crew pulled it off so well.

so many things go right here. i will be saving this one!!


oh yeah! i would be remiss if i didn't compliment the music also! well done Chris Hurn!

congrats!!

killacam
03-09-2010, 12:10 AM
talk about a TIME SUCK those effects were. I am not, nor will I ever claim to be a visual effects artist, so I sincerely appreciate the compliments on the shots. Makes the hours and hours I spent in photoshop and Motion totally worth it!

I thought it was really well done and was well worth the effort. Did you film him without his son and then layer a masked still of him into the scene? or masked footage I guess.

distich
03-09-2010, 07:00 AM
I thought it was really well done and was well worth the effort. Did you film him without his son and then layer a masked still of him into the scene? or masked footage I guess.

Thanks. Ben deserves all the credit on those effects. I originally worked on them but the going back and forth (not to mention the PC vs MAC issues) made the decision to let him handle them that much easier.

If I remember correctly we handled this by shooting the scene a few times and when Ben felt he had what he needed he called cut then had Michael leave the room. Tim was asked to stay still as Michael left and we rolled footage of him separately. Then Tim was asked to leave and we rolled a clean plate.

In post I think Ben looked for a frame that best matched between shots and masked Michael out then applied the effect. Finding the right look probably took 3 times as long as the masking which probably took 3 times as long as shooting the scene. Those are best guesses though, Ben will need to chime in for a better idea of that process.

-Matt

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 08:22 AM
I thought it was really well done and was well worth the effort. Did you film him without his son and then layer a masked still of him into the scene? or masked footage I guess.



In post I think Ben looked for a frame that best matched between shots and masked Michael out then applied the effect. Finding the right look probably took 3 times as long as the masking which probably took 3 times as long as shooting the scene. Those are best guesses though, Ben will need to chime in for a better idea of that process.

-Matt

Matt had it pretty much spot on. 2-3 shots taken for each effects shot, for the first two i managed to get away with just some masking in Apple Motion, but for when he disappeared completely, the process when something like this:

1. pick one frame that matches well.
2. digitally reconstruct tim in Photoshop after removing michael from the frame.
3. Mask out Michael and place him on top of the Tim PSD layer in Motion
4. Add disappearing masks and filters.
5. Mask tim's hand and face back into the scene (since it was static in the PSD)

In hindsight, this probably would have been the best way to do ALL the effects, but lesson learned!

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 08:46 AM
what inspired you, if i may ask?


Whew ... this is going to take a bit.

Well, Matt and I had starting writing a treatment for a feature film after he contacted me through DVXuser. At the same time we were also throwing around some ideas for shorts just for fun. One of them had to do with erasing someone's memory, sending them through the same loop over and over again.

When betrayalfest was announced, I decided it would be a great opportunity to strengthen some local contacts and work with Matt as co-everything to see how it all went. The script was super-important to us, and Matt was really interested in making a specific type of movie. We wrote 3 scripts, the first draft of this one, one I put together and entered into the scriptfest and a third one about a military assassin.

Long story short, we decided to go with the memory script. The first run of our script had Daniel as a 'drug dealer' of sorts, selling memories, when one of his clients approaches him about deleting a memory, Oz senses that the client has done something horribly wrong and kills the man during the deletion process. Feedback for this script was luke-warm at best. A lot of it was unoriginal, and Oz was a carbon copy of HAL 9000, a vindictive computer.

We decided that the relationship between Oz and Daniel was the most important so the first thing we did was to ditch the 3rd character and make the story more about Daniel. Story-wise, we were inspired by movies like eternal sunshine, minority report, moon, and all those other great stories with cool-talking computers.

We also wanted Oz to learn through the literature that Daniel gives him. The idea is that Oz has only had logic based conversations with Daniel up to this point. It's actually Daniel's fault for giving Oz some Shakespeare to read just to shut him up for a while. We searched for a piece of literature where a character had lost a loved one and killed themselves afterward. Fortunately, I got to use part of a play, Hamlet, that I've loved since high school. After Hamlet kills her father, Ophelia goes mad and although not explicitly said in the play, it's the general consensus that Queen Gertrude's Monologue that Daniel reads, means Ophelia killed herself.

All of that was about a 2 month process before we even started thinking about shots, etc.

Visually, our inspirations are widespread as well, The scenes in the Matrix where Neo is at his computer at home, The beginning scene of Dark City, pretty much anything by David Fincher, And I personally love high contrast lighting but without harsh lines, a soft falloff across the face.

And the most important thing was layers. Matt and I wanted to make sure that the film had layers, that it didn't exist just on the surface, that everything was full, from the set decoration to the character's motivations, so that if someone asked us what our motivations were, we could ramble on for a half an hour. :)

jared.c.rogers
03-09-2010, 09:07 AM
Hope it's not too late for lavish commentary around here. :)

Definitely my favorite drama of this fest (and for that matter of other fests I've viewed). Brilliant.

I'm also glad you're not afraid to let us know your specific inspirations; we all have sources for creativity but a lot of people are too insecure (myself) to give it away (as if it were cheating somehow!)

It shows you have a lot of confidence and poise in your craft (obviously mad-skills too) and suggests something collaborative amid among the artistic community.

Not saying you copied anyone--quite the opposite. You recognized where your ideas originated and then enhanced them to fit your very specific needs. That takes a lot of thought and is something I'm going to try and remember. Thanks for the education!

Okay. In a nutshell, one of my top two. Only criticism: loved the kid, his performance, but really wished I could understand him a bit better (specifically when he repeats the Hamlet quote).

Can't wait to see the feature!

Jared

MattinSTL
03-09-2010, 09:14 AM
The first run of our script had Daniel as a 'drug dealer' of sorts, selling memories, when one of his clients approaches him about deleting a memory

I'm glad you didn't do this as it would have been The Eternal Sunshine of Total Recall.

I can't get this flick out of my head... just for everything involved. It's upsetting how good it is... a bar-raiser... in my opinion. Hang on to Tim for as long as you can... and that kid too.

In past fests I discovered some hidden gems... ("Winter Lilacs" still haunts me to today...) For the past few days I've been working through all the entries... finding good elements here and there... but nothing is as complete, as solidly well-done in every respect... as ROM.


I can't wait to see what you do next.

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 01:26 PM
Hope it's not too late for lavish commentary around here. :)

never. :)


I'm also glad you're not afraid to let us know your specific inspirations; we all have sources for creativity but a lot of people are too insecure (myself) to give it away (as if it were cheating somehow!)

It shows you have a lot of confidence and poise in your craft (obviously mad-skills too) and suggests something collaborative amid among the artistic community.

Not saying you copied anyone--quite the opposite. You recognized where your ideas originated and then enhanced them to fit your very specific needs. That takes a lot of thought and is something I'm going to try and remember. Thanks for the education!

I've come to the realization that it's going to be really hard for me to come up with something completely original. I used to have like a 'beautiful mind' complex about it. But now I prescribe to the mantra: Good artists copy, great ones steal.


Okay. In a nutshell, one of my top two. Only criticism: loved the kid, his performance, but really wished I could understand him a bit better (specifically when he repeats the Hamlet quote).

Matt and I had a conversation about this before we cast Michael. Whether he would be able to deliver the lines clear enough. We decided that small con didn't outweigh the large number of pros he had going for him. I know the script like the back of my hand now, so it's really hard for me to be objective on line delivery because i know what they are going to say before they say it. Thanks for the comment!


Can't wait to see the feature!
Don't tempt us. :D


I'm glad you didn't do this as it would have been The Eternal Sunshine of Total Recall.

but ... then we could have had 3 boobs! (why do i feel i've left the door wide open on this one?)


I can't get this flick out of my head... just for everything involved. It's upsetting how good it is... a bar-raiser... in my opinion. Hang on to Tim for as long as you can... and that kid too.

well ... the cuffs are starting to make marks around his ankles, and it's quite expensive to feed him, he requires really good british tea, but I'll do my best.

in all seriousness, thank you very much.


I can't wait to see what you do next.

I'm sure as heck going to try to make it a feature.

J Davis
03-09-2010, 02:20 PM
Hi Ben, its easy to see your influences, be wary of straying too close to topics well trodden either way its TEN stars from me ! Really good job!

Vince K
03-09-2010, 02:34 PM
dude that was amazing. The story was brilliantly executed and the kid's acting near the end was stellar!
really happy to have seen this one...in my top 10 for sure!

MrSeth
03-09-2010, 06:29 PM
My critique for ROM
The story:
Loved every minute of it. Very sad but touching story.

The acting:
You're a great director and brought out the best performance with the actors. The kid did great and the lead was amazing!

The camerawork:
The colors were right on the dot, and I loved the angles and tights you chose.

The editing:
The pacing was GREAT! I think you did an amazing job here with the editing.

The sound and music:
Some of the sound can be cleaned up but not that big of a deal. The music at the ending where the son speaks is very touching.

Overall impression:
Watching it again and again!

My favorite shot:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7072/screenshot20100309at828.png

alex whitmer
03-09-2010, 07:41 PM
Really enjoyed this one. Never felt I was watching actors. I aslo never felt I was watching sci-fi. Hal the computer came to mind, but this gave that concept such a real and personal engagement - and I really hate technology.

I had quite a thread going over in Reduser about child actors, and this absolutely makes my point about what they can bring to a film. I think I need to link this to that thread so the nay-sayers can eat crow.

Beautiful film. Beautiful story. Top-notch execution.


a

Chris Messineo
03-09-2010, 08:09 PM
Wow, simply wow.

This was stellar. Excellent work from everyone involved. I LOVED the story, the acting, the editing, the sound, the score, and the direction too. If I left anything out, it was an accident, because I truly loved it all.

One of my favorites films from all the fests (and I have seen every film in every one).

Ten stars. Phenomenal. Inspirational. Thank you.

Tim Joy
03-09-2010, 10:08 PM
rofl. i'll take it!

if you watch it 50 times, 14 more seconds of hidden footage unlocks. :)


I watched it 51 times now. aaanndd-
Contrary to what you SAY, it does not unlock 14 seconds of footage, because that would be a DQ for ROM, and I know you wouldn't do that noob move. What it DID do was reset my T-PROM* back to 1986, so I'm going to invest in microsoft and also in real estate first shooting up, then going down. I'll be rich. Thank you Silker. When do you want my review?





*Time Parameter Rewind On Markets (duhh)

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 10:23 PM
Hi Ben, its easy to see your influences, be wary of straying too close to topics well trodden either way its TEN stars from me ! Really good job!

I'll tip toe lightly!


My critique for ROM
My favorite shot:
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/7072/screenshot20100309at828.png

I have been lurking on the other threads looking at your 'favorite shots' and i was really wondering what you were going to pick for ours! We got that shot as part of pickups, in fact, i think it was the last computer screen that I animated!



I had quite a thread going over in Reduser about child actors, and this absolutely makes my point about what they can bring to a film. I think I need to link this to that thread so the nay-sayers can eat crow.

Beautiful film. Beautiful story. Top-notch execution.

a

Link away! :) I can't tell you how many times I debated in my head how I was going to direct Michael!



One of my favorites films from all the fests (and I have seen every film in every one).

Ten stars. Phenomenal. Inspirational. Thank you.

You are very welcome. I simply don't know what to say from there. I'm just ecstatic.

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 10:27 PM
I watched it 51 times now. aaanndd-
Contrary to what you SAY, it does not unlock 14 seconds of footage, because that would be a DQ for ROM, and I know you wouldn't do that noob move. What it DID do was reset my T-PROM* back to 1986, so I'm going to invest in microsoft and also in real estate first shooting up, then going down. I'll be rich. Thank you Silker. When do you want my review?

lol. wait ... you didn't watch it in QT did you? What I meant to say is that you have to install REALPLAYER circa 1999, convert it to a RAM file and watch it 50 times on that. Silly me.

BRING IT TIMMY.

oh, and glad you are rich. would you be interested in investing into a talented young Charlotte-based filmmaker with 3-4 ideas for features? I only need 50k.

Nemesis TS
03-09-2010, 10:42 PM
Always love researching shots for inspiration before we shoot.

What a great idea. I wouldn't have thought of that. I watch movies and try to make mental notes but never actually thought to take a screen shot and recreate it. For someone like me that is a big help. Thanks for sharing your methodology.

4100xpb
03-09-2010, 10:56 PM
Very unique piece. I was totally engaged the entire time. You had a great hook at the beginning, and did a good job to hold interest throughout. I really liked your lead actor. He did a great job, particularly with an LCD screen for a counterpart.

I was a little uncertain as to what exactly happened at the end. Not sure if that was intentional, but I would have liked to know with a little more clarity just how the main character resolved his present life based on the experience with his digital son.

The sets were nice, very home-mad-scientist – particularly the bathroom. Technically, the film was solid. Nothing was distracting, letting me focus on the action. Thanks for putting this entry in – I enjoyed it very much.

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 10:59 PM
What a great idea. I wouldn't have thought of that. I watch movies and try to make mental notes but never actually thought to take a screen shot and recreate it. For someone like me that is a big help. Thanks for sharing your methodology.

well ... it's not like we have the screenshot up on a computer screen while we're shooting ... he he. :) But it is a part of my methodology. In my 'ROM' folder on my desktop, I have a folder called 'Artwork/Inspirations', My last fest film drew from a Bjork video and a few shots from 'Casino Royale' along with a disturbing painting that Joe found on the internets. We like to draw from a lot of places, art, literature, movies, etc.

I think it's mostly elements within the shots that draw us to them. Like for the wide shot of the office, i insisted on having an electrical box like the one in the Matrix shot. A $12 trip to Home Depot and I had it. (totally fake! it's PVC and an empty socket box!)

Tim Joy
03-09-2010, 11:07 PM
lol. wait ... you didn't watch it in QT did you? What I meant to say is that you have to install REALPLAYER circa 1999, convert it to a RAM file and watch it 50 times on that. Silly me.

BRING IT TIMMY.

oh, and glad you are rich. would you be interested in investing into a talented young Charlotte-based filmmaker with 3-4 ideas for features? I only need 50k.

That will be an UPDATE for me. I'm still on real player 1997. (running win 98, before they added all the fancy rounded corners to the windows. OOOoooooo)
And I only have 32 megs of RAM, of which: 24 is taken up by the dvxuser site, and I can't close THAT down! Blasphemy! The rest is taken up by windows and something called ispyonyou.dll <--- not sure what that is, might be bad.

If your feature(s) feature Tim Holt, I'm on board. He's star material. Most natural performance of the fest. So seriously, send me a script. You never know when I might win the lottery.

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 11:09 PM
I really liked your lead actor. He did a great job, particularly with an LCD screen for a counterpart.

I was a little uncertain as to what exactly happened at the end. Not sure if that was intentional, but I would have liked to know with a little more clarity just how the main character resolved his present life based on the experience with his digital son.

Thanks for putting this entry in – I enjoyed it very much. [/FONT]

I can't say enough about Tim. Only that I hope this is the start of bigger and better things for him as an actor.

As far as the ending goes, we hoped to leave the audience with the feeling that Oz has brought Daniel to the realization that what he was doing was wrong. That remembering his child, not forgetting/deleting what happened, was the key to him getting over his loss. What Daniel actually does from there? Well ... that's another story to be told I guess. :)

Ben Sliker
03-09-2010, 11:14 PM
The rest is taken up by windows and something called ispyonyou.dll <--- not sure what that is, might be bad.

If your feature(s) feature Tim Holt, I'm on board. He's star material. Most natural performance of the fest. So seriously, send me a script. You never know when I might win the lottery.

don't worry about that. nice living room furniture ... i mean ... ok, you got me, I'm controlling your webcam.

I might send you the first draft of my comedy. You might be just the guy to appreciate it, you goofy, cone talkin', bastid. :)

Tim Joy
03-10-2010, 07:09 AM
don't worry about that. nice living room furniture ... i mean ... ok, you got me, I'm controlling your webcam.

I might send you the first draft of my comedy. You might be just the guy to appreciate it, you goofy, cone talkin', bastid. :)

Send it... wait-
You do comedy?

I thought that was you on my webcam. That's why it always clicks on when I take my pants off.

distich
03-10-2010, 08:37 AM
I would like to take a post to mention the other amazing people involved in the production of ROM:


Jason Fararooei:
Awesome awesome guy. Came early, came prepared. No shot was impossible even when it was. He's never afraid to try something to see if it works, he has a good eye and is quick to setup. Can't say enough good things about him.


Tom Olson:
Met him on the first day of shooting. A really nice guy not afraid to tackle sound despite having little or no experience. When he wasn't booming he was making coffee and cracking jokes. He really took to the story and gave 110% when it was needed. Oh and I should mention that we had no idea who was going to do OZ's voice until pickups and when I heard Tom's voice as OZ I was blown away, never would have thought to use him but it was perfect. Good catch Ben!


Kevin Anderson:
He may have only been there a day but it was the long day, a day when an extra hand is needed. And his extra hands came in handy. Always at the ready and happy to stand in if needed his presence was always appreciated.


Jennifer Sliker & Marie Sliker:
They had the hard work, that is to say they had to keep all the guys fed and happy. No easy feat, but they managed amazingly. I know I was never hungry and always had the energy to finish the day. I owe that to these two fine ladys.


Chris Hurn:
I never had the pleasure of working with him directly but Ben's emails made up for that. Let's just say there was a whole lot of excitement going on and when I finally heard the rough I knew why. Chris worked quick, took our notes and turned them into music gold in literally a day. He's an utter professional that delivers.


Joe Johnson & Lana Bolin:
Two more I never had the pleasure of working with directly but that doesn't lessen my excitement for their excellent work. They worked tirelessly until the very end and delivered that final piece of much needed movie magic. The film didn't click 100% for me until then so in a way I owe them the greatest bit of gratitude for finally letting me see (or hear) ROM the way it was meant to be.


Joe Saba:
The Zaza in ZazaSlider. Without Zaza there would be no slider and without the ZazaSlider there would be no slide and without the slide there would not be awesomness. Seriously, some of the bathroom shots would be IMPOSSIBLE without it. Even when you don't slide it gets you places you can't normally go. He makes a beautiful product that I plan to own and really helped us when we needed THAT shot.


Michael Thomas:
I think it's safe to say this kids performance speaks for itself. But beyond that the kid has a personality all his own, nothing like the part he plays which I think speaks volumes. I was amazed by both his ability to remember his lines and his consistency between takes. This kid has a bright future in whatever he does.


Tim Holt:
I leave Tim for last but really he was the first. He was cast before anyone had seen anything. Ben had what appeared to be blind faith but now I know he could "see". It took me until his first reading and I was SOLD. This guy got it and not just that but he enjoyed it, he bolstered it, he built it and made it his own. He sold me on words I never wrote. That takes something and I was eager to work with that something. Tim is a professional in the best of definitions. He's prepared, he cares for the material and elevates it, he takes direction well and always gives you more. The worst thing he does is make you want to work harder to be on his level. I WILL work with this man again.

I had an amazing experience working with these people. They all took to the story and brought their A game to make it a reality. I couldn't ask for more than that but they all gave us so much more. It's great to hear such positive responses to ROM as I think that is a reflection of their hard work and hope they are all proud of their contribution. There would be no ROM without them and if there was it would only be half as good. Thanks everyone!

Ben Sliker
03-10-2010, 08:38 AM
Send it... wait-
You do comedy?

I thought that was you on my webcam. That's why it always clicks on when I take my pants off.

lol. and we've officially crossed the line. :)

BUT! to answer your question ... not yet. But I've been doing the drama, psychological horror, sci-fi thing for a while, thought I might try and stretch my legs a little bit. It was either comedy of action flick next.

Matt Harris
03-10-2010, 09:16 AM
great job ben, this was a very nice and touching short. the young boy (your son?) was excellent and kinda creepy in a 6th sense sort of way. i liked the wide shots of the chalkboard and then the close up montage of when you were writing, very professional stuff.

by the way, easy fix for the kitt voice, just throw a vocoder on the voice - that should make it more robotic and a touch creepier.

Ben Sliker
03-10-2010, 12:49 PM
the young boy (your son?) was excellent haha. no. no sliker spawn running around yet.


by the way, easy fix for the kitt voice, just throw a vocoder on the voice - that should make it more robotic and a touch creepier.

hmm, vocoder, will have to try.

Ben Sliker
03-10-2010, 09:13 PM
FROM THE CUTTING ROOM FLOOR!

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/cutting_room1.jpg
In the script, we have Jason pinch Daniel on the face to wake him up, perhaps something that he did when he was alive. Didn't quite work out how I want and it took up a lot of time. CUT IT!
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/cutting_room2.jpg
I perspective of OZ that I always liked, looks like a pair of eyes, but it didn't really cut well. CUT IT!
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/cutting_room3.jpg
Part of a deleted montage sequence, Daniel looks at a screenshot of the ring on his finger and then down at his hand where he has taken it off. Montage CUT!
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/cutting_room4.jpg
Also a part of that montage, Daniel drags out another computer that has impression backups on it. Montage CUT!

Chris_Marrs_Piliero
03-10-2010, 09:17 PM
really well done... high marks from me, buddy...

Aaron Marshall
03-10-2010, 11:37 PM
Well done. I loved the visual effects on the hand. The overall motif of your script really hit home with me. I was moved to tears. Your pacing was excellent,. The mood was brilliant.

If I could have improved one element, it would have been the little boy's delivery, but that's forgivable because he's a kid. He did a great job for what he had to remember. I think if the writing would have been a little more concise for him, it could have tightened up. But jeeze man I am really using a magnifying glass here to find a shortcoming.

High marks all around here, a respectful bow, and tip of the hat. ;)

Bravo.

Alex Jeffery
03-11-2010, 10:08 AM
Wow, this was absolutely fantastic! Probably my favorite film so far because it holds it's own even outside of the context of this fest. Tim Holt gives a memorable performance and really moved me at the end. I agree with the post above about the little boy, but it honestly didn't take me out of the movie at all. I was engaged the whole time and I would just like to say one more congratulations on a phenomenal entry!

Best of luck!

Ben Sliker
03-11-2010, 10:28 AM
really well done... high marks from me, buddy...

Thanks fer the watch! I've watched Two Dicks, funny stuff! just haven't got the time to comment on everyone's yet...


Well done. I loved the visual effects on the hand. The overall motif of your script really hit home with me. I was moved to tears. Your pacing was excellent,. The mood was brilliant.

If I could have improved one element, it would have been the little boy's delivery, but that's forgivable because he's a kid. He did a great job for what he had to remember. I think if the writing would have been a little more concise for him, it could have tightened up. But jeeze man I am really using a magnifying glass here to find a shortcoming.

High marks all around here, a respectful bow, and tip of the hat. ;)

Bravo.

yeah, the 'skeleton' thing just dawned on me one day for that effect. I wish I would have had the time to implement that for the full body shot, maybe something I can work on for the longer cut.

Yeah, we really hammered Micheal with a tough script! But that kid is ridiculous, he was spouting off scripts from months ago that he still remembered word for word.

Thanks for the kind words Aaron!

stinkpot
03-11-2010, 09:51 PM
Well, I'm almost to the bottom of the viewing list... and all of a sudden I am blown away. This is a heavy hitter, period.

Blaine
03-11-2010, 09:54 PM
Well, I'm almost to the bottom of the viewing list....Sliker at the bottom of a viewing list?!?:shocked:

stinkpot
03-11-2010, 10:13 PM
Sliker at the bottom of a viewing list?!?:shocked:

HAHA... Just going down the list (as put in place by the mods on this forum) systematically... nothing personal. I say ROM is the fest winner for sure <- mark my words.

Ben Sliker
03-11-2010, 10:28 PM
Wow, this was absolutely fantastic! Probably my favorite film so far because it holds it's own even outside of the context of this fest.

You know, that's something that I've struggled with in past fests (having a film that had legs beyond the its DVXuser context), so I'm really happy to hear you say that. Thanks!


Well, I'm almost to the bottom of the viewing list... and all of a sudden I am blown away. This is a heavy hitter, period.


Sliker at the bottom of a viewing list?!?:shocked:


HAHA... Just going down the list systematically... nothing personal. I say ROM is the fest winner for sure <- mark my words.

You know, I tried to be last on the list (easy for people to find, 'i'm the one on the bottom'), but somehow another 7 films snuck in behind me (and that doesn't even count you stinkpot ... which, btw, i laugh every time i see your screenname).

Thanks for the vote of confidence! I can't say enough how much we enjoyed making this film.

jasonthewho
03-12-2010, 11:16 AM
I saw someone else mention it, but the weakest point is just when you have the kid talk so much. The kid's a fine actor, but not a very clear speaker. He's difficult to understand, and you have him quoting Shakespeare. I wonder if there's some way his voice could become the computer's voice, or perhaps you could blend them both together.

Besides that... perfect. G. D. you Ben. Why are you such a good filmmaker? Do you just like to make me feel bad about myself?

Of particular note, the editing of him drawing the new diagram on the chalkboard is excellent. As is the hit to sudden silence after pulling the kid out.

The Ophelia correlation is a clever one and works very well obviously. The whole story is very interesting and detailed.

Great production design.

Also love his accent.

By the way, what is it about timecode 0124 that makes him think it might be the same?

Ben Sliker
03-12-2010, 12:30 PM
I saw someone else mention it, but the weakest point is just when you have the kid talk so much. The kid's a fine actor, but not a very clear speaker. He's difficult to understand, and you have him quoting Shakespeare. I wonder if there's some way his voice could become the computer's voice, or perhaps you could blend them both together.

There was a variety of things that were in the queue as far as effects and sound design go that got dropped off the back of the truck due to the due date for the film. Matt and I are creating our own 'wish lists' right now for a longer edit, and we are definitely going to explore that last sentence of yours.


Besides that... perfect. G. D. you Ben. Why are you such a good filmmaker? Do you just like to make me feel bad about myself?

Well, I'll privy you to some top secret information, here was our goals list for the ROM shoot.

1. Grow connections with local talent (in front of and behind the camera)
2. Create an engaging and awesome film.
3. Make sure everyone had fun on set.
4. Eat Ice cream.
5. Make Jason Johnson-Spinos feel bad about himself.

Unfortunately, I forgot to pick up ice cream. he he. :) (just kidding jason!) To tell you the truth, and I think I posted this before, the whole last two weeks of post-production went at such a dizzying pace, there almost wasn't even time to consider how an audience would react to our film (there was a lot of forethought about this, not much afterthought). So I really feel like a broken record, but we can't thank our peers on this site enough for the comments that everyone has left.


Of particular note, the editing of him drawing the new diagram on the chalkboard is excellent. As is the hit to sudden silence after pulling the kid out.

i was blown away the first time i heard that part. Serious goosebumps. Joe and Lana rock.


The Ophelia correlation is a clever one and works very well obviously. The whole story is very interesting and detailed.

Great production design.

Also love his accent.

By the way, what is it about timecode 0124 that makes him think it might be the same?

timecode 0124 is just a random number.

The overarching concept is that of the tree diagram that he draws on the chalkboard, all the memories that he watches are similar up to a certain point. He doesn't want to delete more than he has to, so he has to find the moment when things start to change (timecode 0124). If he deleted, say, the next hour after that, he'd be just fine.

Ben Sliker
03-12-2010, 09:59 PM
More fun BTS!

http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts10.jpg
zoolander: back when i was starting out i used to do my own makeup.
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts11.jpg
All 5 screens rocking Oz's interface.
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts12.jpg
tim is apparently flossing. Oh and this was taken in the 4 seconds that the diodes actually stuck to his head ... the water scrapped that idea ...
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts13.jpg
Tim: Say what?
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts14.jpg
The game of life works wonders to raise monitors for closeups.

jasonthewho
03-13-2010, 08:35 AM
It looked like he was moving between 0123 to 0125, and then decided on 0124, so I wondered if he saw something specific in it.

BTW, I liked how the timecode counter stopped on timecode 0124 in the final vision, indicating (I assume), that he has left the true memory, and now OZ is manipulating it.

Ben Sliker
03-13-2010, 08:47 AM
BTW, I liked how the timecode counter stopped on timecode 0124 in the final vision, indicating (I assume), that he has left the true memory, and now OZ is manipulating it.

YES! spot on, Jason, spot on. Thank you for noticing. :)

totitefilms
03-13-2010, 12:43 PM
Your movie is one of the well made ones in this fest. I like all the technical and vfx aspects of this movie. The acting is great also. I just had hard time following the story. Maybe I'm just not into this type of movie :)

totitefilms
03-13-2010, 12:45 PM
More fun BTS!


zoolander: back when i was starting out i used to do my own makeup.
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts11.jpg
All 5 screens rocking Oz's interface.

tim is apparently flossing. Oh and this was taken in the 4 seconds that the diodes actually stuck to his head ... the water scrapped that idea ...

Tim: Say what?
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/bts14.jpg
The game of life works wonders to raise monitors for closeups.

Cool gears :)

Ben Sliker
03-13-2010, 02:07 PM
i was hoping that i took a shot of this. We were only in our apartment about a month and a half before we started shooting.

Before:
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/office_full_wide.jpg

After:
http://www.benjaminsliker.com/film/OZ/grab_comp2.jpg

took me almost two weeks to get it back to being nice and boring. :)

Jaime V
03-13-2010, 03:38 PM
Man this one was awesome. I loved the effects, acting and story, even if I was a bit confused at first :) Amazing what you did with two actors in two rooms.

Ben Sliker
03-14-2010, 08:24 AM
Thanks Jaime! Where are you in NC?

Richard J. Johnson
03-14-2010, 08:29 AM
now THAT is how you dress a set! Amazing job.

Jaime V
03-14-2010, 02:01 PM
I'm in Morrisville, a lil town right next to Raleigh.


Thanks Jaime! Where are you in NC?

Ben Sliker
03-14-2010, 03:24 PM
now THAT is how you dress a set! Amazing job.

he he. I need to thank Matt for bringing a car full of computer parts and wires.

I should post an 'after after' picture. I promised my fiance that I would get the office decorated and back in order as soon as I could, something about having a bunch of family coming for my wedding in 2 weeks. :)

Rodney V. Smith
03-14-2010, 07:55 PM
ROM

Review: Benjamin Sliker. My arch-enemy. It has come to this: the review. And I hate your film for all of the right reasons. This film is easily a stand out piece of work, one that fires on all cylinders and leaves the viewer totally enthralled and believing everything. My first viewing I didn;t once think about the placement of the camera or how cool anything looked. I just watched, enthralled... and then I watched it again. Then I woke up my brother and told him he had to watch this movie right now. He cussed at me, then watched the movie... then he made me show it again. Seriously. And there I was wishing to have achieved the level of shot perfection that you managed. This is true craft and you get it right everytime, and what's worse... you keep getting better at it.

Story: Structure was solid, but I did wonder why he didn't just take his clothes off in the bathtub. His impatience with Oz certainly was the enciting incident so that was good to see how quickly you establish the conflict in the story right in line with his own goals. The "Shakespaeare incident" was the thing that changed everything and it was good to see that it was something the protaganist incited. You tell a good story using so many killer closeups. Seriously wow. And then it all changes... It's rather poignant and touching... a very effective story how Oz chooses to reach out to him to save him from himself... almost brought a tear to my eye, but those tend to me more common these days now that I have a son of my own. SO very effective. You bastard.

Technical: I officially hate you and your frosting. It's yummy frosting but has me kicking myself for not attaining that level of yumminess. Damn you Sliker! Um.. right... technical review... he still has his clothes on!!! Although that's out of necessity since the scne with Oz as his son would have been remarkablt difficult to shoot if he were naked. ARGH! Never mind then, just carry on smartly.

Acting: Ah ha! Finally something I can pick on: I love your actors and that kid has a remarkable presence. Wait. Dammit. That wasn't what I meant to type. I hate you but my fingers won't agree with me. Damn pain in the hippocampus!

WrapUp: I fucking love your movie. Okay? There: I said it. Now leave me alone while I sob disconsolately in a corner. If the other reviews suffer becasue of your stealing my will to live, well... just know it's your fault. Everyone can gang up on you!

Ben Sliker
03-14-2010, 08:50 PM
Benjamin Sliker. My arch-enemy.


You bastard.


I officially hate you and your frosting.


I hate you but my fingers won't agree with me.


I poo pooing love your movie. Okay? There: I said it. Now leave me alone while I sob disconsolately in a corner.

Rodney, I must say, this was very much worth the wait. Thank you. :)

As far as the 'dude-ity' goes, we definitely took that into consideration beforehand, but not so much for Daniel, more for Jason. But I think it might still work if Daniel was in some boxer shorts or something (maybe a T and some shorts), because when Daniel is 'in' the memory, it's a world that's created by Oz, so he'd be wearing the same thing he was wearing in the memory. We tried as much as we could to create a workable illusion that Jason was taking a bath, pretty much came down that we didn't need any little naked dudes running around on set to pull that illusion off.

STOP MAKING ME THINK RODNEY. lol. :thumbsup:

Rodney V. Smith
03-14-2010, 08:52 PM
Making you think is my only revenge!!!

I enjoyed writing your review. Fun times!

Noel Evans
03-15-2010, 12:46 AM
Now, let me tell you how much I liked this. It was great.

This was a stand out story for me thus far. You took some classic elements, added a bit of HAL with mixed with a bit of A.I., dont take that the wrong way its meant as a compliment.

I knew at no stage what the betrayal was, would be and it was refreshing that it was the design of a logical process, and came from innocence.

If I was to wave the picky wand over it I would have to say the lighting design in the bathroom could have had a stronger transitional element of him moving to his memories, and was a bit "LIT" looking.

I loved that you demonstrated his desperation through, not madness, but through the fact he had gone so far to find the answer, as in the elaborate set up.

Well done Ben another top choice for me.

Jaime V
03-15-2010, 08:40 AM
You did all that with your wedding two weeks away? Man, you have an understanding fiance :)


...something about having a bunch of family coming for my wedding in 2 weeks. :)

Tim Joy
03-15-2010, 08:44 AM
You did all that with your wedding two weeks away? Man, you have an understanding fiance :)

Yeah... just wait till you hear the, "we need a bigger place 'cause your movie crap is taking over the entire house!"

Yes dear.

Ben Sliker
03-15-2010, 09:28 AM
Now, let me tell you how much I liked this. It was great.

This was a stand out story for me thus far. You took some classic elements, added a bit of HAL with mixed with a bit of A.I., dont take that the wrong way its meant as a compliment.

I knew at no stage what the betrayal was, would be and it was refreshing that it was the design of a logical process, and came from innocence.

If I was to wave the picky wand over it I would have to say the lighting design in the bathroom could have had a stronger transitional element of him moving to his memories, and was a bit "LIT" looking.

I loved that you demonstrated his desperation through, not madness, but through the fact he had gone so far to find the answer, as in the elaborate set up.

Well done Ben another top choice for me.

Noel! Thanks man! I have to thank Matt for the 'layers' of this movie. We constantly pushed each other to make the script better and to mean more. It's so awesome to hear that the story paid off for a lot of people and that they were completely engaged.


You did all that with your wedding two weeks away? Man, you have an understanding fiance :)

I think she's trying to jockey to the top of the 'thank you' list for any potential future award acceptance speeches. :) Marie has been right there for all eight short films (the ones after college that count) and I can't thank here enough for the support that she gives me. (I think she loves me :D)


Yeah... just wait till you hear the, "we need a bigger place 'cause your movie crap is taking over the entire house!"

Yes dear.

We both negotiate new additions in our future home. We own a rental, but after the wedding, we'll be saving for our first 'real' house. So far, I get my editing suite room and she gets a dark room.

Tim Joy
03-15-2010, 09:38 AM
I think she's trying to jockey to the top of the 'thank you' list for any potential future award acceptance speeches. :) Marie has been right there for all eight short films (the ones after college that count) and I can't thank here enough for the support that she gives me. (I think she loves me :D)

We both negotiate new additions in our future home. We own a rental, but after the wedding, we'll be saving for our first 'real' house. So far, I get my editing suite room and she get's a dark room.

Ha ha! Mine too tops the 'thank you list' for sure. But I couldn't do it without her now. After I've been editing for 10 hours and I think it's awesome, I show it to her and she brings me back down to reality. :( The truth hurts at first, but it's invaluable to have someone that can offer a fresh critique without needing to sugarcoat it.

All you single dudes are disadvantaged. HA HA.

now... where were we?...

oh yes!

ROM.

Brilliant!

Ben Sliker
03-15-2010, 03:00 PM
Ha ha! Mine too tops the 'thank you list' for sure. But I couldn't do it without her now. After I've been editing for 10 hours and I think it's awesome, I show it to her and she brings me back down to reality. :( The truth hurts at first, but it's invaluable to have someone that can offer a fresh critique without needing to sugarcoat it.

All you single dudes are disadvantaged. HA HA.

now... where were we?...

oh yes!

ROM.

Brilliant!

lol. you should have seen the face Marie gave me when I said this:

"Ok, Matt and I have figured it out. We've got a guy, who can't deal with the loss of his son, so he builds a computer to delete the memory, but the computer turns on him because it learns from Bill Shakespeare that obsessing about the death of a loved one can drive you to suicide. What do you think?"

it was something like this - > http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/confused/confused0024.gif

Tim Joy
03-16-2010, 03:26 PM
Congrats guys!

.. but this is familiar territory for you. :)

Rodney V. Smith
03-16-2010, 03:45 PM
Good job guys.

hoz
03-16-2010, 04:14 PM
congrats !!

RodThompson
03-16-2010, 04:36 PM
Congrats guys!

.. but this is familiar territory for you. :)


The man's a legend round these parts. lol

Jaime V
03-16-2010, 04:57 PM
Was pretty sure this was a shoo-in...Congrats on making the top 10!

DerSpieler
03-16-2010, 05:10 PM
Just watched this... Incredible film. Congrats to everyone involved. It's touching, imaginative, poignant, and beautifully shot. I haven't viewed all the finalists yet but this would be a worthy winner.

Ben Sliker
03-16-2010, 05:31 PM
thanks everyone for the congratulations! I'm super excited for Matt, it's his first short film!

Norm Sanders
03-16-2010, 05:34 PM
Congrats, Ben! Very, VERY well deserved!

Marlon Ladd
03-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Congrats to you, Ben & team.

Alex Jeffery
03-17-2010, 02:03 AM
Congrats Ben! Well deserved