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RebelD
01-06-2010, 02:18 AM
Hi There,
I've decided to upgrade from my DVX and have been told to maybe looking into the D90. Is the D90 pretty user friendly? I've seen videos and have seen how great the picture quality is but is that using the camera stock and straight out of the box? Would I be able to use it with FCP6? Are you able to attach any mics to it? Thanks for the help
If you only want it for video just keep the DVX. If you want to have a still camera that does video. Keep the DVX and get the D90. A new D90 is only like $780 at B & H Photo.
Tracey Lee
01-06-2010, 01:51 PM
What are you asking for your DVX? That is a great camera and I still see great films coming from it.
Lammy
01-07-2010, 11:56 AM
Hi There,
I've decided to upgrade from my DVX and have been told to maybe looking into the D90. Is the D90 pretty user friendly? I've seen videos and have seen how great the picture quality is but is that using the camera stock and straight out of the box? Would I be able to use it with FCP6? Are you able to attach any mics to it? Thanks for the help
The Nikon D90 is the most user- UNFRIENDLY camera ever for video.
But I love it. It's like a dog that gets better the more times you train it.
But I wouldn't buy it again *just* for video, knowing the options out there. You can get the Pentax Kx or the Nikon D5000 which take just as good video but are far cheaper.
Or you can spend more for a 7d or 5d. Or if you like the digital quality the DVX had, you can get the GH1.
so many choices these days...
Thomas Lew
01-07-2010, 01:50 PM
What are you asking for your DVX? That is a great camera and I still see great films coming from it.
Sell your dvx as soon as you can. Technology has gone so much further since the dvx that it's stupid to hold onto it when you can sell it and get a clean swap for a 7d and lenses.
:bath:
Man they still use the DVX for TV shows and movies. The DVX is still a good camera and can do a lot more that some cheap DSLR
Sell your dvx as soon as you can. Technology has gone so much further since the dvx that it's stupid to hold onto it when you can sell it and get a clean swap for a 7d and lenses.
:bath:
Tracey Lee
01-07-2010, 02:50 PM
Agreed. It depends on what you are doing too. If you are doing corporate or broadcast work then no DSLR or DVX will cut it, but if you are doing small things or short films to add to your portfolio then use any camera you want.
Thomas Lew
01-07-2010, 03:25 PM
Man they still use the DVX for TV shows and movies. The DVX is still a good camera and can do a lot more that some cheap DSLR
Yeah but for the filmmaker who wants to have the edge.. the dvx is obsolete. You want to stay ahead of the pack. I'm not saying it's necessary to sell your car and buy a Red One or anything.. but anything standard definition is just so out of date.
They still use Canon Gl2's but it doesn't mean they're good cameras.
:bath:
My old Hi 8 is obsolete. The DVX is not. When shows like "Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia" only use the DVX100 to film then I'd say it is still in the game.
But if you are just talking about no/low budget filmmakers then anything goes. I really don't think the "edge" just comes from the newest camera. It is the story idea, characters, etc. Having a good camera is part of it too but you can't rule the DVX out just yet.
Yeah but for the filmmaker who wants to have the edge.. the dvx is obsolete. You want to stay ahead of the pack. I'm not saying it's necessary to sell your car and buy a Red One or anything.. but anything standard definition is just so out of date.
They still use Canon Gl2's but it doesn't mean they're good cameras.
:bath:
The DVX is still used for Broadcast.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=186216&highlight=Sunny+Philadelphia
Agreed. It depends on what you are doing too. If you are doing corporate or broadcast work then no DSLR or DVX will cut it, but if you are doing small things or short films to add to your portfolio then use any camera you want.
Tracey Lee
01-07-2010, 03:59 PM
The DVX is still used for Broadcast.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=186216&highlight=Sunny+Philadelphia
That's cool to know Zim. I actually still consider getting a DVX every so often because of the things I still see coming from it.
Thomas Lew
01-07-2010, 04:11 PM
My old Hi 8 is obsolete. The DVX is not. When shows like "Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia" only use the DVX100 to film then I'd say it is still in the game.
But if you are just talking about no/low budget filmmakers then anything goes. I really don't think the "edge" just comes from the newest camera. It is the story idea, characters, etc. Having a good camera is part of it too but you can't rule the DVX out just yet.
I'm not saying you're entirely wrong. Always Sunny used the dvx but not for their newer seasons.
Edge does NOT just come from the camera. I 100% agree with you on that - story idea, characters, all of that creativity plays the overwhelming role in your production. But the camera DOES help. Why limit yourself on equipment when creativity is hard enough as it is?
And the DVX is not out just yet... but I wouldn't want to be the last guy holding onto my DVX trying to get what's left out of it.
:bath:
they are still selling new for $2500 at B & H. It really comes down to what you are going to do.
JFEditorIV
01-07-2010, 07:26 PM
You can get a job purely from having a 7d. No one is impressed with a dvx100. At the moment, 90% of the job ads I see are looking for dps with a red. So technically, even having a 7d is a disadvantage. So a dvx is digging you even deeper. But if a production is looking for a dp and you have a 7d and all the others have a dvx, you will get the job and get the chance to let your talents show through. That's what its all about, getting that chance.
Always Sunny could be filmed with anything. It is about story, lighting and actors. All to the extent of what none of you guys have (Pro screen writers, big name actors, grip trucks full of lighting equipment...) They probably still use it since they like the "cheap/raw" look that comes out of it. They like how it doesn't look hd. Out of that context, that outlook isn't going to be appreciated by many. I saw an article in the december issue of ASC magazine where the dp from The Office said he uses Tiffen mist filters to get rid of the HD look of their cameras. Sounds like a dvx effect to me. You can even use this forum as an example of growth and embracing new technology. Look at how many categories other than dvx100b there are on here. Dvx is the minority.
The dvx is still great for learning manual controls if you're a new camera operator. But once you master them I think it's time to trade it in and move on. Of course if you don't need the money, it's great to hold on to for other purposes.
But on the other hand, learning about lenses, f stops and filters from using a DSLR is much more valuable. DSLRS most closely resemble film cameras.
So a production is going to see that $1600 camera that is really limited on what a video production needs to get a job done and pass on a camera that can? OK! Really they will pass on the 7D too and go with a HVX or a Sony video camera. A CinaAlta or a VariCam but not a DSLR.
You can get a job purely from having a 7d. No one is impressed with a dvx100. At the moment, 90% of the job ads I see are looking for dps with a red. So technically, even having a 7d is a disadvantage. So a dvx is digging you even deeper. But if a production is looking for a dp and you have a 7d and all the others have a dvx, you will get the job and get the chance to let your talents show through. That's what its all about, getting that chance.
Always Sunny could be filmed with anything. It is about story, lighting and actors. All to the extent of what none of you guys have (Pro screen writers, big name actors, grip trucks full of lighting equipment...) They probably still use it since they like the "cheap/raw" look that comes out of it. They like how it doesn't look hd. Out of that context, that outlook isn't going to be appreciated by many. I saw an article in the december issue of ASC magazine where the dp from The Office said he uses Tiffen mist filters to get rid of the HD look of their cameras. Sounds like a dvx effect to me. You can even use this forum as an example of growth and embracing new technology. Look at how many categories other than dvx100b there are on here. Dvx is the minority.
The dvx is still great for learning manual controls if you're a new camera operator. But once you master them I think it's time to trade it in and move on. Of course if you don't need the money, it's great to hold on to for other purposes.
But on the other hand, learning about lenses, f stops and filters from using a DSLR is much more valuable. DSLRS most closely resemble film cameras.
Thomas Lew
01-07-2010, 10:49 PM
So a production is going to see that $1600 camera that is really limited on what a video production needs to get a job done and pass on a camera that can? OK! Really they will pass on the 7D too and go with a HVX or a Sony video camera. A CinaAlta or a VariCam but not a DSLR.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=195507
Maybe they were going to ask P Diddy if they should use the dvx but never got around to it?
:bath:
JFEditorIV
01-07-2010, 10:56 PM
Maybe George Lucas is going to test out the dvx next?
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=193504
It won't be a 7D either.
Maybe George Lucas is going to test out the dvx next?
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=193504
Excuse me,,,,,,I didn't know P. Diddy was using a 7D!!! That changes everything!!!
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=195507
Maybe they were going to ask P Diddy if they should use the dvx but never got around to it?
:bath:
JFEditorIV
01-07-2010, 11:14 PM
That's because he already tested the 7d and loved it. They are probably going to use it in part of the movie about the airmen.
It's not just about name dropping but the point is: Lucas is one of the most creative minds in filmmaking and he has always been at the forefront of technology. He even had Sony create the CineAlta camera for him to use for Star Wars. So, if George is open to using the 7d or any dslr for that matter, you shouldn't be so skeptical of its capabilities. All you guys are dropping names and shows but I would say LucasFilm using a 7d has a bit more pull than a tv show on FX using a dvx.
And for P. Diddy, it's not about him as an artist being associated with this camera. It's about the setup that was used. They had a 7d on a jib, hanging from a car as it followed the stars down the highway as the sun set. That's a hell of a lot of pressure and faith placed on that little camera. Consider the schedules of the stars, the jobs of all the crew involved...They were all confident.
Thomas Lew
01-07-2010, 11:23 PM
Excuse me,,,,,,I didn't know P. Diddy was using a 7D!!! That changes everything!!!
Your statement:
Really they will pass on the 7D too and go with a HVX or a Sony video camera. A CinaAlta or a VariCam but not a DSLR.
means that: the 7D wouldn't be used on a production and instead an HVX or up
My statement:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=195507
Maybe they were going to ask P Diddy if they should use the dvx but never got around to it?
means that: the 7D has been used on a production.
Your statement:
Excuse me,,,,,,I didn't know P. Diddy was using a 7D!!! That changes everything!!!
Not a valid point or argument.
Thus I still say that the dvx is aged and that it is well on its way out. The most important part about a production is still the talent and creativity, but in terms of cameras.. more attention is being placed on newer technology which has far surpassed ANY standard definition camera ages ago.
And to respond again to RebelD's original post.. sell your dvx and look into getting either a better video camera such an an hmc150, OR look into getting a 7d or better hdslr. The d90 is an amazing picture camera with some video capabilities if used right. It doesn't do so well as a stand alone video camera.
and here's a bath
:bath:
jonE5
01-08-2010, 07:34 AM
I have a d90, and i love it, but i desperately want a 7D instead.
Im probably going to wait a bit, cause i have like 40GB of of SD cards and 7D only takes CF (boooouuurrrns)
Im hoping nikon releases something better for same price, or im jumping camps.
Tracey Lee
01-08-2010, 07:48 AM
These conversations make me laugh. People have been so bedazzled by these DSLRs that they don't see past the end of their noses. I was too for a little while. These DSLRs have a LONG way to go before they are good enough for REAL film work.
Until then, yes I am pretty happy with my D300s for my own personal projects I want to do and to get my portfolio going for online viewing so that I can get hired to do a bigger job with a better camera.
I agree with you. The DSLRs can do some nice stuff and people will use them for whatever. 7D, D300s, D90 etc are all nice cameras. The DVX100's are still nice cameras and at $2500 they are not going anywhere for awhile. They are not a school room tool to learn manual controls and production companies are not sitting around waiting for a DP with a DSLR to come walking through the door so they can use they newest camera.
If you have the money you get the camera you need to get the job done.
The thread was started because Rebel ask if he should trade his DVX for a D90.(He wasn't asking about a 7D) I stand by what I said. No he should keep his DVX or buy the D90 plus keep the DVX100.
Rebel if you only care only about video then stay with a video camera. If you want both still/photography you have some hard choices to make. Depends on your needs. I know some people are using the DSLRs just for video but I wouldn't and that is a personal choice.
krisjohn
01-08-2010, 09:25 AM
Yeah I would'nt get the D90 now. kinda late. and better DSLR out now 7D
Im actually bout to sell mine and upgrade to the canon 7d. but i also have the HMC150
good luck with your decision
If you wanted a good still camera and if you wanted to work around the D90 video the price is right. B&H Photo has the for $789.
Yeah I would'nt get the D90 now. kinda late. and better DSLR out now 7D
Im actually bout to sell mine and upgrade to the canon 7d. but i also have the HMC150
good luck with your decision
jeracravo
01-08-2010, 03:06 PM
I second that. It worth every penny at the price they're asking right now.
JFEditorIV
01-08-2010, 03:36 PM
If you want to think professionally and make a career out of filmmaking, go with Thomas Lew's approach. If you want to be nothing more than a videographer as a hobby and blend in with the pack, go with Zim's approach. That's really what it comes down to. It's not really about the camera, it's about the mindset.
JFEditorIV
01-08-2010, 03:43 PM
These conversations make me laugh. People have been so bedazzled by these DSLRs that they don't see past the end of their noses. I was too for a little while. These DSLRs have a LONG way to go before they are good enough for REAL film work.
Until then, yes I am pretty happy with my D300s for my own personal projects I want to do and to get my portfolio going for online viewing so that I can get hired to do a bigger job with a better camera.
Your chances of getting hired to work with a better camera are extremely extremely low. A lot of companies/individuals want dps to work for free. There are a ton of student films being made by major film schools that are always looking for dps. They never have a budget. The best way to break into it and gain respect is to work for free. You have to accept that. And associated with not having a budget is going with the dp with the best camera possible. Every other person in that film school circle has access to a Sony EX1 with a letus adapter or knows someone with a 7d/5d. If you can't keep up with that, you are losing out on some great opportunities. The truth is, you can never be working hard enough. So if your mindset is lax about putting off getting a camera, that carries over to your mindset with everything else as well.
My approach is to get the best camera you can or get what you need to get the job done. Your aproach is all anyone needs is a 7D?
I think you are missing the point JF and in doing so you are cutting down a whole lot of people, professional people who still use camera's like the DVX100.
Then you sum all this up by saying it is not about the camera.
If you want to think professionally and make a career out of filmmaking, go with Thomas Lew's approach. If you want to be nothing more than a videographer as a hobby and blend in with the pack, go with Zim's approach. That's really what it comes down to. It's not really about the camera, it's about the mindset.
Tracey Lee
01-08-2010, 04:03 PM
Sounds to me like if you want to "blend in" then go Canon...if you want to stand out, go anything else.
Tracey Lee
01-08-2010, 04:09 PM
Your chances of getting hired to work with a better camera are extremely extremely low. A lot of companies/individuals want dps to work for free. There are a ton of student films being made by major film schools that are always looking for dps. They never have a budget. The best way to break into it and gain respect is to work for free. You have to accept that. And associated with not having a budget is going with the dp with the best camera possible. Every other person in that film school circle has access to a Sony EX1 with a letus adapter or knows someone with a 7d/5d. If you can't keep up with that, you are losing out on some great opportunities. The truth is, you can never be working hard enough. So if your mindset is lax about putting off getting a camera, that carries over to your mindset with everything else as well.
I don't work for free. I also work with better cameras than the 7D (etc etc) all the time. From experience, I can say that people who are looking at your work for creative content don't care what camera you used. Maybe we are in totally opposite world's here but in my profession (that I do full time and get paid) people are not looking at my portfolio then asking me what camera I used.
I solved those problems by starting my own company. I'm not going to go work for free for someone else. I guess what I think a "indie filmmaker" is, is not what they teach in film school and I could care less anyway. Good luck gaining respect!!
Your chances of getting hired to work with a better camera are extremely extremely low. A lot of companies/individuals want dps to work for free. There are a ton of student films being made by major film schools that are always looking for dps. They never have a budget. The best way to break into it and gain respect is to work for free. You have to accept that. And associated with not having a budget is going with the dp with the best camera possible. Every other person in that film school circle has access to a Sony EX1 with a letus adapter or knows someone with a 7d/5d. If you can't keep up with that, you are losing out on some great opportunities. The truth is, you can never be working hard enough. So if your mindset is lax about putting off getting a camera, that carries over to your mindset with everything else as well.
So the only camera's to use are a 7d/5d or a Sony EX1 with a letus adapter?
[QUOTE=JFEditorIV;1860754]Every other person in that film school circle has access to a Sony EX1 with a letus adapter or knows someone with a 7d/5d. If you can't keep up with that, you are losing out on some great opportunities.
JFEditorIV
01-08-2010, 09:13 PM
I solved those problems by starting my own company. I'm not going to go work for free for someone else. I guess what I think a "indie filmmaker" is, is not what they teach in film school and I could care less anyway. Good luck gaining respect!!
Well if you want to be a wedding/event videographer the rest of your life go ahead, that's right for you.
I've tried the wedding work. It is not as easy as you think. Some really good people out there doing it and you shouldn't knock it man. I think you are getting some bad advice at your film school. You should just get a camera and make something. Don't knock what everyone else is shooting with. Everyone isn't going to use the same thing
Well if you want to be a wedding/event videographer the rest of your life go ahead, that's right for you.
JFEditorIV
01-09-2010, 01:18 AM
I've tried the wedding work. It is not as easy as you think. Some really good people out there doing it and you shouldn't knock it man. I think you are getting some bad advice at your film school. You should just get a camera and make something. Don't knock what everyone else is shooting with. Everyone isn't going to use the same thing
I don't go to film school. Far from it. I teach myself everything and work hard for free. I jump on the sets of projects made by other film students to learn from them and their equipment, without having to pay the tuition. When you compare our outlooks, I'm not the one with the bad advice. I'm trying to motivate a bit. It's not about the camera, but it's also not about having a dvx. All I've heard you say is stay with the dvx, start your own company, don't work for free. You have to be aggressive, be a go-getter and network. I want to work in the film industry. I'm not going to get there by doing weddings. I don't know what you future goals are but regardless, you need to make some investments and take some chances along the way.
RebelD
01-09-2010, 01:55 AM
Thanks for the input guys the topics were very informative. I guess I do have some more research to do and look in to some more options. Thanks
JFEditorIV
01-09-2010, 03:43 AM
I have a d90, and i love it, but i desperately want a 7D instead.
Im probably going to wait a bit, cause i have like 40GB of of SD cards and 7D only takes CF (boooouuurrrns)
Im hoping nikon releases something better for same price, or im jumping camps.
Get that 7d and use those sd cards for your external audio recorder, which you will need for high quality audio. Doesn't sound that bad to me.
Thomas Lew
01-09-2010, 04:04 AM
Get that 7d and use those sd cards for your external audio recorder, which you will need for high quality audio. Doesn't sound that bad to me.
And if it turns out you realllly need to upgrade to that new amazing Nikon dslr after you already get the 7d, just sell it on ebay. I'm fairly certain the 7d is going to retain its value for quite awhile.. and the 200/300 bucks you lose will be well spent in terms of experience and any possible jobs/money you've picked up while using it.
Time is money.
:bath:
You seem mixed up and why do you keep talking about weddings? (by the way you can make a lot of money doing weddings). Lets try and get this straight. Like many people I'm independent. I buy my own gear. I pay for the films or videos I'm making. I'm doing what I want to do. With any luck at all I'll make a few good films down the road.
My advice was that Rebel should keep his DVX and buy the D90. It really depends on what he can afford to do. What he needs to do. Everyone has different needs. The 7D is not the best camera a person can get. It is a good camera but not the best. I plan on buying a new DSLR one of these days. Most likely it will be a Nikon. But I know what I want to do with it. I know what I need. I'm not going to buy a camera "just because everyone else has one" Maybe you should take your own advice and go drop $1800 on a 7D.
The DVX100's are still nice cameras and are getting used out there everyday.
I don't go to film school. Far from it. I teach myself everything and work hard for free. I jump on the sets of projects made by other film students to learn from them and their equipment, without having to pay the tuition. When you compare our outlooks, I'm not the one with the bad advice. I'm trying to motivate a bit. It's not about the camera, but it's also not about having a dvx. All I've heard you say is stay with the dvx, start your own company, don't work for free. You have to be aggressive, be a go-getter and network. I want to work in the film industry. I'm not going to get there by doing weddings. I don't know what you future goals are but regardless, you need to make some investments and take some chances along the way.
JFEditorIV
01-09-2010, 05:12 PM
You seem mixed up and why do you keep talking about weddings? (by the way you can make a lot of money doing weddings). Lets try and get this straight. Like many people I'm independent. I buy my own gear. I pay for the films or videos I'm making. I'm doing what I want to do. With any luck at all I'll make a few good films down the road.
My advice was that Rebel should keep his DVX and buy the D90. It really depends on what he can afford to do. What he needs to do. Everyone has different needs. The 7D is not the best camera a person can get. It is a good camera but not the best. I plan on buying a new DSLR one of these days. Most likely it will be a Nikon. But I know what I want to do with it. I know what I need. I'm not going to buy a camera "just because everyone else has one" Maybe you should take your own advice and go drop $1800 on a 7D.
The DVX100's are still nice cameras and are getting used out there everyday.
Obviously you can make a lot of money doing weddings. But if you get into weddings seriously, video is more like a hobby to you. Your other statements support this.
Keeping the dvx isn't a smart move, but it's better than a d90. The dvx is not better than a 7d/5d. The d90 doesn't provide enough manual controls and options to be considered professional or be taken seriously in the video dslr market.
I already have a 7d and if you payed attention to the videos you get as a result of clicking my link at the bottom, you would have seen that. I sold my dvx for $1550 and got a new 7d for $1700. Tell me that's a bad deal. You can't go wrong.
Dvx's are still getting used but if you want to learn more as a filmmaker, a 7d is the best thing for a dvx owner, mainly since it translates so well in price. The 7d has enhanced my creativity with lighting. It is very rewarding in a sense that it picks up on more details and accents. I still don't use high ISO's. It picks up a lot more than the dvx even at the lowest ISO setting. When I had the dvx sitting around, I didn't want to do much with it. I ended up using my friend's HMC-150 all the time. Now that I have my 7d, I find myself taking it everywhere, finding all kinds of great things to film. This camera is very exciting and doesn't hold you back one bit.
There's no reason to keep the dvx AND buy another camera. A move like that is for people that are insecure about technology. Whatever camera you buy after selling a dvx, can also be sold at a later date when something newer comes out and the price will carry over once again. Once you get your hands on something better, you won't want to pick up the dvx. It doesn't reward your filmmaking abilities as much. If you jump on to the 7d forum, you will see a bunch of posts about people eager to sell their d90s for 7ds, people that already did, and people that considered the d90 but are glad they didn't get one.
The 7d isn't perfect, and of course there will be better dslrs soon. But you don't need a perfect camera. You just need one that will reward your efforts as a creative thinker and a filmmaker.
"With any luck at all I'll make a few good films down the road"? What kind of outlook is that? If I was the one who posted this thread, I wouldn't take advice from the guy who said that. Like I said before, I'm trying to promote continuous growth as a filmmaker.
Do you have any online links to your work?
Tracey Lee
01-09-2010, 05:34 PM
I really don't want to make more waves here or anything, so this next post is just a post to show what can still be done with the DVX.
Macgregor's work with the DVX and the Cinemek adapter:
http://vimeo.com/369591
http://vimeo.com/3163904
Of course it's not as good as HD, but I would take that kit up against any DSLR today. In fact, I would trade in my DSLR for that kit.
There you go again about the weddings?
After I typed about luck I thought that would get the response you gave. Hey some of it is luck. Some hard work etc,etc. But you have the 7D so I guess you will hit the big time soon. Well good luck
If the 7D and the DVX100's are not perfect cameras why are you still trashes the DVX100? Trying to justify you buying a 7D? Look at the films made with the DVX100. 100's of them. I was looking on Vimeo at some of the videos from the D90 and there are some great stuff made with it. Sorry you think they are not considered professional?
Again use whatever you want.
Obviously you can make a lot of money doing weddings. But if you get into weddings seriously, video is more like a hobby to you. Your other statements support this.
Keeping the dvx isn't a smart move, but it's better than a d90. The dvx is not better than a 7d/5d. The d90 doesn't provide enough manual controls and options to be considered professional or be taken seriously in the video dslr market.
I already have a 7d and if you payed attention to the videos you get as a result of clicking my link at the bottom, you would have seen that. I sold my dvx for $1550 and got a new 7d for $1700. Tell me that's a bad deal. You can't go wrong.
Dvx's are still getting used but if you want to learn more as a filmmaker, a 7d is the best thing for a dvx owner, mainly since it translates so well in price. The 7d has enhanced my creativity with lighting. It is very rewarding in a sense that it picks up on more details and accents. I still don't use high ISO's. It picks up a lot more than the dvx even at the lowest ISO setting. When I had the dvx sitting around, I didn't want to do much with it. I ended up using my friend's HMC-150 all the time. Now that I have my 7d, I find myself taking it everywhere, finding all kinds of great things to film. This camera is very exciting and doesn't hold you back one bit.
There's no reason to keep the dvx AND buy another camera. A move like that is for people that are insecure about technology. Whatever camera you buy after selling a dvx, can also be sold at a later date when something newer comes out and the price will carry over once again. Once you get your hands on something better, you won't want to pick up the dvx. It doesn't reward your filmmaking abilities as much. If you jump on to the 7d forum, you will see a bunch of posts about people eager to sell their d90s for 7ds, people that already did, and people that considered the d90 but are glad they didn't get one.
The 7d isn't perfect, and of course there will be better dslrs soon. But you don't need a perfect camera. You just need one that will reward your efforts as a creative thinker and a filmmaker.
"With any luck at all I'll make a few good films down the road"? What kind of outlook is that? If I was the one who posted this thread, I wouldn't take advice from the guy who said that. Like I said before, I'm trying to promote continuous growth as a filmmaker.
Do you have any online links to your work?
Yes just two of many good DVX films.
I really don't want to make more waves here or anything, so this next post is just a post to show what can still be done with the DVX.
Macgregor's work with the DVX and the Cinemek adapter:
http://vimeo.com/369591
http://vimeo.com/3163904
Of course it's not as good as HD, but I would take that kit up against any DSLR today. In fact, I would trade in my DSLR for that kit.
JFEditorIV
01-10-2010, 12:07 AM
There you go again about the weddings?
After I typed about luck I thought that would get the response you gave. Hey some of it is luck. Some hard work etc,etc. But you have the 7D so I guess you will hit the big time soon. Well good luck
Not because of the 7d, because of talent. Talent combined with embracing technology and having a positive outlook.
You posted links to other people's work, do you have any of your own?
damonb
01-10-2010, 07:26 AM
Well if it's about talent dude, then what camera to use is the least of an artist's decisions.
If the OP can get a D90, fine. If the OP has rare talent, what is produced will dump on the 7D or whatever any mediocre filmmaker can do with very expensive equipment.
I think the real point is that, will a little bit of help, video on ANY dslr can translate to outstanding results. Technology has never been a limitation for the most creative people. Talent AND hard work is 100 times more important than technology.
mhood
01-10-2010, 07:29 AM
It sure seems to me that the lack of manual controls on the D90 constrains and inhibits anyone who uses it...talented artist or total hack.
Yes talent, hard work, having good equipment, working with other people who have talents you might not have and certain amount of luck. I know I need that!! LOL I'll send you some links
Not because of the 7d, because of talent. Talent combined with embracing
technology and having a positive outlook.
You posted links to other people's work, do you have any of your own?
Paul Hudson
01-10-2010, 04:27 PM
I have a D90 as well as many other cameras. I can safely say the d90 is fun and that's about it. You can get some interesting b-roll. I can't imagine ever using it for an a camera.
iHartVideo
01-11-2010, 01:53 PM
Get a GH1 and a Nikon adapter.
Way better at video than a D90 or 300s - and has the lowest downside (i.e. far cheaper than a 7D)
(I own a 300s and GH1)
I like this D300s video. I can't wait to see what Nikon does next.
http://vimeo.com/8657797
Lammy
01-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Totally hate the GH1 video look... much prefer D90 and D300s.
Tracey Lee
01-11-2010, 05:41 PM
Totally hate the GH1 video look... much prefer D90 and D300s.
Same here...just wish the jello was not so much...just needs extra care that's all.
Totally hate the GH1 video look... much prefer D90 and D300s.
+1
....it's such a love/hate relationship right now. I LOVE how the base image looks. I HATE that they haven't "kept up" so far. (Manual control, 1080p, other frame rates/slow-mo)....I hope the rumors are true with the d900. I would LOVE to see some progress from them...at a price that I can reasonably justify. 5k is a bit much for 720p...
I'm probably going to be disappointed, but ....I am hopeful.
I hope the rumors are true with the d900. I would LOVE to see some progress from them...at a price that I can reasonably justify. 5k is a bit much for 720p...
Rumors sound like they'll finally upgrade to 1080p so let's cross fingers. I think Nikon did make progress since the D90, they just don't communicate it
http://vimeo.com/8009537
If this is what IQ will be like on their next APS-C cam in 1080p, I'm there.
Tracey Lee
01-12-2010, 08:25 AM
Rumors sound like they'll finally upgrade to 1080p so let's cross fingers. I think Nikon did make progress since the D90, they just don't communicate it
http://vimeo.com/8009537
If this is what IQ will be like on their next APS-C cam in 1080p, I'm there.
That's really nice...wish I had the scratch for the D3s and I would even be happy with the 720p.
mhood
01-12-2010, 08:25 AM
I think Nikon did make progress since the D90, they just don't communicate it
So you're saying Nikon marketing folks are morons? :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
So you're saying Nikon marketing folks are morons? :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
hehe, no I think they just focus on positioning they're DSLRs as stills cams and nothing else. Nikon apparently took market shares from Canon last year, so I guess Nikon marketing folks are doing a good job :)
They are thinking about video or they wouldn't be putting them on their DSLRs. Photography is what they do first and I hope that doesn't change. But hopefully the video improves too.
I agree with you that marketing people are doing a good job. The Ashton Kutcher ads are paying off.
hehe, no I think they just focus on positioning they're DSLRs as stills cams and nothing else. Nikon apparently took market shares from Canon last year, so I guess Nikon marketing folks are doing a good job :)
They are thinking about video or they wouldn't be putting them on their DSLRs.
Yeah, as I said, I think Nikons video mode already did improve, they just don't promote it on their professional cameras too much, which makes sense to me.
mhood
01-12-2010, 11:54 AM
It makes no sense at all to me. In what measurable quantitative way did Nikon's video mode improve and where is the URL that reports the data? I'll believe that when I see full manual control...
It makes no sense at all to me.
I meant Nikon's marketing strategy, apparently it does make sense.
In what measurable quantitative way did Nikon's video mode improve and where is the URL that reports the data?
I meant IQ, sry
the_shadow_killer
01-22-2010, 10:52 PM
No. Got get some more money and get a 7D.