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Jean Dantes
11-27-2009, 10:45 AM
Hey guys, I've been looking around for a cheap, yet good, external LCD monitor, but haven't had much luck yet. The "SmallHD DP1" seems like a really good deal, but is still out of my price range:

http://www.smallhd.com/store/

I don't know if I can justify spending $1000 on an external LCD. Does anyone know if there is anything decent for around $250?

Thanks in advance to any replies :)

mcgeedigital
11-27-2009, 11:45 AM
"Decent" vs "best" are two separate things.

I have the DP1 and, IMO, it was worth every penny.

One of members is selling one in the market place right now for $700.00

Kent OGP
11-27-2009, 01:06 PM
I also can't afford to spend much for a monitor. I'm filming a movie with mostly tripod shots, would it be practical to use a small HDTV plugged into my 7d to monitor my focus and composition?

Something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Coby-TFTV1524-15-Inch-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B001PYOVSW

Jean Dantes
11-27-2009, 01:19 PM
Sorry, I meant something that is cheap, yet still decent.

Anybody have any suggestions?

eL ProduceR
11-27-2009, 01:38 PM
Try these guys (http://www.manhattanlcd.com/), if you search thru the forums you will find some good info.

You won't find any decent hi-rez capable monitor for 250... you might want to pony up couple of hundreds

mhood
11-27-2009, 04:09 PM
I bought this one: http://www.coollcd.com/619ah-7-inch-tftlcd-vga-monitor-no-touchscreen-hdmi-new_p634.html

It works gr8 with my 7D.

manglerBMX
11-27-2009, 05:29 PM
try these guys http://www.manhattanlcd.com/

LukeWarm13
11-27-2009, 05:59 PM
Check out this company: http://smallhd.com/

I don't own one of these units but I've had the opportunity to test one out. They are top notch monitors and built like a tank. You can't beat it for the price.

mhood
11-27-2009, 06:15 PM
you can't beat it for the price.

$800!?

ROCKMORE
11-27-2009, 09:56 PM
I bought this one: http://www.coollcd.com/619ah-7-inch-tftlcd-vga-monitor-no-touchscreen-hdmi-new_p634.html

It works gr8 with my 7D.

That sounds like a great deal for a low budget. How well can you focus with it?

mhood
11-28-2009, 05:32 AM
I focus fine with it. There's a big writeup on the Lilliput here: http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5799 and several other threads including a group buy that can save you some money. I've ordered this battery: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330362839509&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT If it will ever get here, I'll let you know how long 9800mAh will run the monitor.

Jean Dantes
11-28-2009, 07:42 AM
Thanks for the replies guys!

Awesome find mhood! That is precisely the sort of price/performance I'm after.

How could we go about mounting this thing to a shoulder-rig I wonder?

mhood
11-28-2009, 07:57 AM
Any number of ways. It has a standard 1/4 20 female on the base. A hotshoe mount would sure work. I fashioned a DIY plate on my Gini rig and I use a 1/4 20 bolts with wingnuts for mounting both the LCD and a LED light. You could always go Hollyweird and use a $600 arm too. LOL!

Jean Dantes
11-28-2009, 08:52 AM
Haha, no way in hell am I dropping $600 on mounting lol :P

If you have time mhood, could you post pics of your rig? :)

mhood
11-28-2009, 11:18 AM
K, here are some quick shots of my DIY plate. Velcro strips for holding Lectrosonics receivers, etc. and 1/4 20 carriage bolts with wing nuts for holding most everything else. If I didn't have the Edirol HR09 on the hotshoe mount, the LCD or LED could go there just fine. The last shot is with a flash to clearly show you everything that's there...you can't see the actual shoulder pad on the Gini Rig but this is the shoulder mount configuration. You also can't clearly see it but there is a D|Focus FF mounted on the left side. And that is a "Y" cable coming out of the headphone feed on the Edirol...one side goes to my ear buds and the other side feeds the 7D mic input. I edit on Windoze so no PluralEyes for me...matching waveforms really helps me with manual sync. ;-) And if it all gets too heavy, I have a quick release on both the Gini Rig and the 7D so I can pop the camera off of all the stuff or take all the stuff with me on my shoulder.

First person who laughs and tells me I need to drop $2000 on a "real" shoulder mount setup is an official twit and just doesn't get it. :-)

Jean Dantes
11-28-2009, 01:10 PM
That is a really cool rig man!!!!!!!!!!

The rig I am invisioning for my 7D is most likely gonna be this:

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.923/.f

+ this

http://lcdvf.bigcartel.com/

+ this

http://www.dfocussystem.com/dfocus.html

I hope I can get the monitor + battery you suggested onto this rig somehow...

I'll most likely have a Zoom H4N on my hotshoe like you have done with the Edirol HR09.

I'll be using Windows too. Are you using a clapper-board to know where to line up and sync your audio?

mhood
11-28-2009, 01:24 PM
Are you using a clapper-board to know where to line up and sync your audio?

I shoot corporate executives and (believe it or not) they really enjoy slating a take. I get everything set and rolling and tell them to "slate it"...they give the title and take and clap their hands...some of them even w8 on me to say "action". :smile:

I'm gonna get the LCDVF just as soon as he makes it available again but in an office setting, I'll probably stick with the Lilliput LCD. I also have a small ball head on a handle with little tripod legs that can hold the Lilliput for client approvals of takes. They really like doing that...

Jean Dantes
11-29-2009, 11:45 AM
Haha, that's cool man. I guess being a corporate executive isn't the most fun job in the world...they probably love feeling like actors for a day! lol

I think I'm gonna get the LCDVF too, and get the Lilliput for on-set playback to make sure that I got the shot. I guess the Lilliput would be heaps good for low-shots too.

Let us know how you go with that battery too!

P.S. Anyone know how much slates go for these days? (not the electronic ones)

mhood
11-29-2009, 02:54 PM
Just got the battery (forgot to check the mail yesterday). It's big and heavy but the velcro adhesive strips seem to hold it okay to the back of the Lilliput. It came with enough of a charge to power up the LCD and I *think* it's charging now (there are no instructions...charger and battery only). I read that it takes 10 hours to fully charge and that it will power the Lilliput for 8-9 hours. I've got a shoot Tuesday and Wednesday so I'll be able to check it out.

Jean Dantes
11-30-2009, 06:14 AM
Awesome! Keep us updated!

mhood
12-04-2009, 04:29 AM
Just got back from a 2 day shoot with the Lilliput and the 9800mAh battery. The monitor was wonderful in the package I pictured a few posts back. I never tried any handheld, so it was totally a studio setup. The Lilliput worked gr8 for focus and review of shots (allthough too much live view can heat up the 7D rather quickly). The battery charged overnight and ran the Lilliput all day long. This is a real winner ya'll.

Jean Dantes
12-04-2009, 06:26 AM
Great to hear mhood! Considering the price and performance of both the Lilliput and battery, I'm sure a lot of guys here will be adding it to their arsenals!

pmgmedia
12-10-2009, 12:47 PM
Beware of the Lilliput external battery from coollcd. I bought the Liliiput HDMI (from coollcd.com) for my 7D rig and within 1 minute of hooking it up the external battery literally EXPLODED. Pow! And it was attached to my camera via a screw mount - I had to unscrew my precious camera from while it spewed hot noxious gas. This just happened in the last hour... Anyone else notice the battery overheating or anything?

f64manray
12-10-2009, 02:55 PM
Hey guys, I've been looking around for a cheap, yet good, external LCD monitor, but haven't had much luck yet. The "SmallHD DP1" seems like a really good deal, but is still out of my price range:

http://www.smallhd.com/store/

I don't know if I can justify spending $1000 on an external LCD. Does anyone know if there is anything decent for around $250?

Thanks in advance to any replies :)


If its a justification you want, I can't think of a better justification than the Small HD will show you what your filming much better than the little 3" inch LCD on the camera. Anything that helps you to see what your actually capturing the moment you're shooting it is worth $1000. It should be pointed out that the Small HD itself is around $799. The $989 kit comes with 2 batteries (as well as other stuff) and a cool sun shade that will make you look like Spielberg on set. :-)

I've really been enjoying it as I'm testing stuff out. I bought it for video, but now that I have it, I really think its a must have for still photography as well.

morgan_moore
12-10-2009, 10:11 PM
I just got a SmallHD

I dont think it is very small !

IMO the picture is good, and the suncreen will be a life saver

It is a massive boost in confidence to know that I can see what I am filming - which is kind of fundamental to shooting- playback is even better

Here is is on my rig..

http://www.halfinchrails.com/hir/hir.asp?SiteRan=hir&PageString=Gallery

Since these pics I have built a support system that takes the forces away from the nut - meaning it wont unscrew and fall off

S

Jean Dantes
12-11-2009, 06:29 AM
Dammit!! I want the SmallHD!! :(

It definitely seems like a very good quality product!!

One thing I'd like to know is: what type of LCD is it? TN? IPS? PVA?

I'm using a IPS panel right now for my PC, and with it's 178degree viewing angle and true 8bit colour, I'm not sure I could ever go back to TN's 160degree viewing angle and 6bit colour...

MadHMC150
01-14-2010, 06:01 PM
try these guys http://www.manhattanlcd.com/


Why is this not being picked by you guys that went small lcd?

From what I have seen this has a very impressive picture also... At less than $600?

Ugh, tough decisions...

Tim Kay
01-17-2010, 10:55 AM
I know that when I did a bunch of research for the Ex1 (which i though I was going to get) I too had this same question and like many here didn't want to spend $500-$1000 on a 7"tv (no way i'm paying more for this then my big ass, kick ass plasma!)

So the research pointed me to this,

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DVP-FX930-9-Inch-Portable-Player/dp/B001TCJI7E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1263754363&sr=8-1

Might need an adapter or work out of the box, not sure on the How it connects yet.

MadHMC150
01-17-2010, 08:22 PM
That's going to be standard composite... not a really good picture by my prediction...

A 15 or 19'' HDTV with HDMI input is a pretty good solution for larger options... (like $150)

But in the field a 7" HD is really ideal to mount right to the cam and be mobile... That's why I am torn between the Manhattan at $600 and a SmallLDC at $900

Tim Kay
01-18-2010, 09:41 PM
No doubt, you always want to go for the best you can afford and those monitors are top tier, if you can afford them!

For $150 to get a 9" portable ready-to-rumble monitor, operates on battery or AC (plus it's a DVD player so you can use it on the plane) something more for the budget Indie film guy

Tyler Shoemaker
04-02-2010, 03:13 PM
My girlfriend bought a used mini-DVD player for herself for 25$, which ended up breaking down after a couple months. However the IN/OUTs where fine, but the lazer must have died. So instead of having her throwing it out, I removed the bulky disk section and was able to construct an awesome 7" external monitor. It's SD, but has been calibrated accurately and have no problems finding focus, composition, adjusting usual settings etc. All for 25$.

Chris Santucci
04-02-2010, 04:08 PM
I second the Lilliput 7" unit: http://www.coollcd.com/619ah-7-inch-tftlcd-vga-monitor-no-touchscreen-hdmi-new_p634.html

It's a really great monitor for the dough.

I ruled out the DP1 based in part on the controls being on the back of the unit. Manhattanlcd has some great options, but the 8.9" units are a little large for onboard use.

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pixelated
04-02-2010, 07:06 PM
My girlfriend bought a used mini-DVD player for herself for 25$, which ended up breaking down after a couple months. However the IN/OUTs where fine, but the lazer must have died. So instead of having her throwing it out, I removed the bulky disk section and was able to construct an awesome 7" external monitor. It's SD, but has been calibrated accurately and have no problems finding focus, composition, adjusting usual settings etc. All for 25$.


We all hate you.

Just so you know . . .

MadHMC150
04-05-2010, 05:07 AM
I second the Lilliput 7" unit: http://www.coollcd.com/619ah-7-inch-tftlcd-vga-monitor-no-touchscreen-hdmi-new_p634.html

It's a really great monitor for the dough.

Second that

FatBird19
04-06-2010, 11:09 AM
We all hate you.

Just so you know . . .

Hahahaha!!..

FatBird19
04-06-2010, 11:13 AM
I second the Lilliput 7" unit: http://www.coollcd.com/619ah-7-inch-tftlcd-vga-monitor-no-touchscreen-hdmi-new_p634.html

It's a really great monitor for the dough.

I ruled out the DP1 based in part on the controls being on the back of the unit. Manhattanlcd has some great options, but the 8.9" units are a little large for onboard use.

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Wow, cool deal!

I'm confused though. What connectors does it come with? Does it come with a breakout connector that allows for composite and component input?

What input possibilities does that kit come with? Besides, HDMI obviously.

MadHMC150
04-06-2010, 11:16 AM
Yes, breakout with all the additional connectors... HDMI built in...


I purchased the liliput here - great deal: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=202565

FatBird19
04-06-2010, 11:26 AM
Yes, breakout with all the additional connectors... HDMI built in...


I purchased the liliput here - great deal: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=202565

Nice.

My biggest need for an external monitor as opposed to the T2i's LCD is so that I can:

Articulate the LCD where I need to see it
Be able to look at what's going on outdoors in sunlight


I see it's a 300nit LCD (like most) so I know I'd need a sunshade outdoors.
In efforts of saving money right now, I'm wondering if I should just create a ghetto sunshade for my T2i until I have more saved.

MadHMC, what have your experiences been with this LCD? How has it served you best and are there any situations in which you have not been able to use it?

I'd like to hear from anyone who owns this LCD, really.

MadHMC150
04-06-2010, 12:17 PM
It would be a good solution to what you are looking for...

Real studio monitors have features like color correction, focus assist and usually no overscan... I typically can do without them and have had a lot of success with these little guys - for the money you are getting a MUCH better idea of what you are shooting... and very easy to pull focus...

from another thread:

The Ikan SH7 sun hood made for the V7000 just came from B & H, it fits on the 7" Lilliput 619AH and comes with Velcro to secure it to the monitor. Works good.

Thats a deal, just ordered.

Osslund
04-06-2010, 12:18 PM
Marshall is about to release a 5" HDMI monitor that might do the trick for t2i users. Runs on four AA batteries.

FatBird19
04-06-2010, 02:43 PM
Marshall is about to release a 5" HDMI monitor that might do the trick for t2i users. Runs on four AA batteries.

Any ideas on a price? (It's marshall, so it can't be low)

MadHMC150
04-06-2010, 03:09 PM
true... 5" would be to small for me... love the 7's

FatBird19
04-06-2010, 03:27 PM
It would be a good solution to what you are looking for...

Real studio monitors have features like color correction, focus assist and usually no overscan... I typically can do without them and have had a lot of success with these little guys - for the money you are getting a MUCH better idea of what you are shooting... and very easy to pull focus...

Thats a deal, just ordered.


So up until now, you haven't had many issues with shooting under sunlight?

Do you have the monitor mounted right on the camera setup or do you have it on a stand to the side? Most importantly, how do you power it?

Sorry for all the questions. Haha.

MadHMC150
04-06-2010, 03:41 PM
I think this thread will answer those questions and a few more... The monitor is usable in the sun if you have the sunshade, cant really comment on how much better a Marshall or equivalent would perform in comparison though... I use an Ikan Sony L batt adapter... most of my stuff uses it. More:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=197103

I attach my monitor to the Halo Rig, great for mounting all your accessories on 1 rig... The Mini is just for dslrs, the HD is for medium video cameras...

Camera Expert
04-06-2010, 07:55 PM
These seam like good deals.
http://www.noydcom.com/press_release/vizio/mobile_tv/

http://www.amazon.com/Viore-LED24VF60-24-Inch-1080p-Black/dp/B002TOKT56/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1270609036&sr=8-16

Osslund
04-07-2010, 03:48 AM
The 5" Marshall will about around $600. But 5" is really small. I wouldn't have anything smaller than my 7" Marshall.

FixMix
04-07-2010, 04:09 AM
My DP1 is on its way. For a 7D HD-resolution is a must. :)

FatBird19
04-07-2010, 07:53 AM
These seam like good deals.
http://www.noydcom.com/press_release/vizio/mobile_tv/



....I may wait for that 9" Vizio.

FixMix
04-08-2010, 04:13 AM
SmallHD just announced a 5.6 inch 1280 x 800 LCD. Price will be announced at NAB :)
They call it DP-SLR...

MadHMC150
04-08-2010, 07:37 AM
Finally they got something coming out a little smaller...