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1150A
11-18-2009, 05:27 PM
Still new to all this, but recently picked my brother's D90 and played around with it. Recorded a few things and edited some short videos and had a ton of fun.

That being said, I'm interested in the GH1. The D90 I'm using is great, and I honestly have no problems with it so far.. but then again, I've only messed around with it for a few days. While the D90 isn't mine, let's just say I can borrow it for a lonngg time.. :) I found a GH1 locally for a great price and am wondering if I should pick it up. How does it compare to the D90? What features does the GH1 have that the D90 doesn't? I'll be recording video primarily.

Basically I can use this D90 for free, or spend ~ 1k on a GH1. I don't mind spending the money if the GH1 has many advantages over the D90.. but if they're close in quality, saving money is always nice.. :)

Ian-T
11-18-2009, 06:35 PM
The GH-1 will spank the D90 in many many ways.

jamesjjs
11-18-2009, 07:20 PM
Differences:

Plus
1. Long recording time with GH1 up to whatever card size
2. Autofocus with kit lens
3. Ergonomics - Articulating screen, dedicated record button
4. Can use many lens with adapters
5. Can record video through the lcd viewfinder
6. Framerates & 1080
7. Stereo sound onboard
8. Live histogram while recording video
9. Size and weight - lighter and more stealthy

Minus
1. Limited choices of lens with autofocus
2. No battery grip option
3. Only Panasonic battery - expensive
4. External mike input is 2.5mm - not the usual 3.5mm
5. No external live monitor feed during video recording

But, I would hang on to the d90 and wait until Feb (new models get announced) which could lead to price drops. And you can still learn video with the d90

John Caballero
11-18-2009, 07:25 PM
It's like DajaVu all over again.

1150A
11-18-2009, 08:28 PM
It's like DajaVu all over again.
;)

John Caballero
11-18-2009, 08:40 PM
The GH-1 will spank the D90 in many many ways.

In every way but still pictures.

saaby
11-18-2009, 08:55 PM
Yeah if it's Free vs buying a GH1, I'd hold off...but as others have said, the GH1 just really shines in many many ways for video.

DanDOF
11-18-2009, 10:39 PM
Differences:

Plus
1. Long recording time with GH1 up to whatever card size
2. Autofocus with kit lens
3. Ergonomics - Articulating screen, dedicated record button
4. Can use many lens with adapters
5. Can record video through the lcd viewfinder
6. Framerates & 1080
7. Stereo sound onboard
8. Live histogram while recording video
9. Size and weight - lighter and more stealthy

Minus
1. Limited choices of lens with autofocus
2. No battery grip option
3. Only Panasonic battery - expensive
4. External mike input is 2.5mm - not the usual 3.5mm
5. No external live monitor feed during video recording

But, I would hang on to the d90 and wait until Feb (new models get announced) which could lead to price drops. And you can still learn video with the d90

In my opinion the most important advantage is having manual control over ISO and shutter speed, which I can't believe you forgot to mention, like omagaw!!!!

Ozpeter
11-19-2009, 02:04 AM
My nephew came to stay recently and brought with him his D90 and some nice lenses, and the photo quality was very impressive. However, I was pleased, and he was miffed, to see just how much better the GH1 video was - simply a different thing altogether. He really was quite stunned the first time I ran some GH1 video on our 42" Bravia.

Chris Light
11-19-2009, 02:08 AM
nice Oz.....though, the GH1's still-photo capabilities are nothing to scoff at. man, the RAW's look amazing on a large LCD.

Pelerino
11-19-2009, 03:51 AM
I disagree, the resolution of the photos from the GH1 is better than the D300. Video - no comparison. The fact you have the option to record for hours on a single card and auto focus with a flip screen is invaluable. No other camera does these things. Very happy with mine.

philiplipetz
11-19-2009, 04:52 AM
GH1 is lighter! Lets me do unusual angle shots easily. However, if you want still more than video go with D90. For video there is no contest. GH1 wins easily.

1150A
11-19-2009, 05:50 AM
Thanks for the tips everyone.

Think I'll keep using the D90 for now....doesn't hurt to learn on it, plus, the price will hopefully drop on the GH1 soon.

Unless $1k for a GH1 is an outstanding deal?

Osslund
11-19-2009, 06:21 AM
Nothing wrong with stills on the GH1 but the shortage of AF lenses is sad.
I had the D90 and I now have a GH1 and they don't even compare when it comes to video.
GH1 is so much better.

Lammy
11-19-2009, 04:17 PM
What are all of you smoking? :P

D90 BLOWS GH1 out the water! The things the GH1 has going for it is less jello, less moire, and manual control. None of this really is a problem for most projects, and if you use the D90 sensibly anyway.

The colour on the D90 and the grain is the most pleasing out of all the cameras. It's like a love hybrid between betacam and 16mm.

The GH1 looks like videotape, but with more pixels. I'm serious. It looks so much late 80s video, it even has that "colour laser printer" style grain/streak across the entire image. And when conditions are best, it looks like Living TV to me. Not that it's bad... afterall most people here like that look. But I will disagree .


If I were you I'd just borrow your brother's d90, or wait, or plunge for a 7d.

tflak
11-19-2009, 05:14 PM
BandanaDan, I think it's wonderful of you to stand by your D90 like that in spite of all the shortcomings you've listed. There's a lot to be said for that kind of loyalty and persistence. It's rare these days.

Lammy
11-19-2009, 05:29 PM
lol it's not about loyalty or persistence, it's simply a matter of taste...

John Caballero
11-19-2009, 07:33 PM
What are all of you smoking? :P

D90 BLOWS GH1 out the water! The things the GH1 has going for it is less jello, less moire, and manual control. None of this really is a problem for most projects, and if you use the D90 sensibly anyway.

The colour on the D90 and the grain is the most pleasing out of all the cameras. It's like a love hybrid between betacam and 16mm.

The GH1 looks like videotape, but with more pixels. I'm serious. It looks so much late 80s video, it even has that "colour laser printer" style grain/streak across the entire image. And when conditions are best, it looks like Living TV to me. Not that it's bad... afterall most people here like that look. But I will disagree .


If I were you I'd just borrow your brother's d90, or wait, or plunge for a 7d.

Yeah right, sure, aha.

sheridan pennell
11-20-2009, 01:44 AM
I was one of the first to buy a d90 simply because of the video recording,but after shooting video with it i found the quality TERRIBLE!!! switched to a gh1 and the difference is like chalk and cheese ,recently bought a mark II and still i find the gh1 gives the best video

Lammy
11-20-2009, 03:55 AM
My God, you guys are bringing back memories of film school when my peers would used to cream all over the Sony Z1 and wanted to shoot on that because it was "HD" rather than shooting 16mm. "oh no, 16mm is only standard def and it's all grainy and mushy"

This is the same argument. The GH1 is definately the most feature packed and easiest camera to use. Excellent if you're going to go into documentary, soap, corporate, weddings, or cheap porn: It's more compact, it doesn't overheat, more is in focus, longer recording times. It most definately shoots better video, but that's not a good thing for most other types of work.

Hell, I'm also including home videos. At our home we've got a GH1 and a D90. I always use the D90 to capture the moments. It makes things look more like a memory, how I saw it, rather than a doc ;)

The d90, for the price, you could buy extra lenses and support systems to minimise the jello and you could put in slight extra effort to get near manual control. Just go to the d90 board of DVX to see the fantastic work produced. And then go to the GH1 stills and motion gallery to see the other fantastic work produced. It's your choice and taste in what you believe "looks" best.


And on a more serious note, sod these two cameras get a 7D ha. The only reason why I haven't jumped ship to Canon is because I love my d90 too much and the ergonomics feel nicer in my hands. Unless somehow TVs are going to be Ultra Definition TV, I'm in no rush to upgrade. It's not like any of the current DSLRs are proper HDTV ready anyway.

tflak
11-20-2009, 04:12 AM
You could enjoy all the features of the GH1 (or 7D) and still have the footage look like your D90. Just apply a gaussian blur.

But, like you say, it's all a matter of personal taste. I used to use Unsharp Mask on all my D90 footage.

Martti Ekstrand
11-20-2009, 04:14 AM
I find that GH1 has a much more film like image than either D90, 5DmkII or 7D - but with 30+ years of working with film and never gone to film school what do I know. As for grain, with D90 you are stuck with the jpeg ant noise, with GH1 you can decide to add in post as much and what kind you like.

Ian-T
11-20-2009, 06:38 AM
Forget what everyone else here has to say.....buy a Red One. ;)

greymog
11-20-2009, 06:48 AM
i switched from d90 to gh1and 7d.

got the gh1 first.

it felt grrrreeeeeeeeeeat, but i miss the nikon for stills.

jonE5
11-20-2009, 06:57 AM
You will lose some ability with stills. D90 is better in some respects, but for video most agree GH1 is slightly better. That said, the 7D is better than both. If your giong to upgrade go all the way, not a half way upgrade to the GH1.

NO 7D? NO CARE!

Ian-T
11-20-2009, 07:08 AM
....oohh....it's gettin kinda cold in here... I feel a storm-a-brewin...lol

tflak
11-20-2009, 07:16 AM
Yeah, talk about beating a dead horse.

philiplipetz
11-20-2009, 09:58 AM
You will lose some ability with stills. D90 is better in some respects, but for video most agree GH1 is slightly better. That said, the 7D is better than both. If your giong to upgrade go all the way, not a half way upgrade to the GH1.

NO 7D? NO CARE!


Not all the posters agree that the 7d is better. Some pros say that the aliasing makes it unsuitable for pro TV work.

Martti Ekstrand
11-20-2009, 10:04 AM
That said, the 7D is better than both.

Not if you want a film like image. 7D exhibits some pretty bad colour moire that I personally loathe to watch or have in my footage. Especially in 720 mode so for slow motion it's particularly bad option. 7D in 720 mode just screams fugly video to me.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=187165

I'm not alone in this assessment:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1795042

Camera Expert
11-20-2009, 12:43 PM
Theirs also heating issues with prolonged usage when in 720 60p. I've had the GH1 for over 4 months and most of my shooting is 720 60p. With all of the shooting that I've done, I would have destroyed a 7D. I did start to worry a little bit about my GH1 when I first heard about that but so far so good.

bronxjragon
11-22-2009, 08:52 AM
What are all of you smoking? :P

D90 BLOWS GH1 out the water! The things the GH1 has going for it is less jello, less moire, and manual control. None of this really is a problem for most projects, and if you use the D90 sensibly anyway.

The colour on the D90 and the grain is the most pleasing out of all the cameras. It's like a love hybrid between betacam and 16mm.

The GH1 looks like videotape, but with more pixels. I'm serious. It looks so much late 80s video, it even has that "colour laser printer" style grain/streak across the entire image. And when conditions are best, it looks like Living TV to me. Not that it's bad... afterall most people here like that look. But I will disagree .


If I were you I'd just borrow your brother's d90, or wait, or plunge for a 7d.

Its for these exact reasons I sold my d90 for gh1 and in love with it