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andrew00
10-28-2009, 05:16 AM
Hey,

I'm looking at getting one or other of these two products for my 5D. I shoot a lot of handheld and need decent stabilsation. I was wondering if anyone had thoughts either way as I can't find somewhere to test the Captain Stubling in time for my next gig.

The tactical shooter I have tried out, it seemed pretty steady and well made, surprisingly heavy and worked very well with the z-finder. However, it is very expensive (about £750) and doesn't come with accessories like a follow focus, unlike the stubling.

It also has its benefit exclusively when you have it all braced in to your shoulder. If you, say, want to move the camera around freely you can't really do this as instantly you'll affect your centre of gravity lugging this heavy rig about. Therefore, whilst it's really strong, I'm wondering if it's usage is limited in that sense.

The Stubling is an opposite force to the Zacuto in that it's designed to be moved about. Like the zacuto it's not tiny and not large, that gangly mid range size and will therefore probably be equally heavy.

It does have the advantage of having a redrock follow focus with it which, judging by the cost of the rr ff individualy, makes up the bulk of the cost. Therefore with the CS you get essentially a follow focus and a handheld rig to support it, with the Zacuto you get the rig and no FF.

The CS is also a lot cheaper than the Zacuto (its's £480, £250-300 less). My concern is that, especially if i want to use it with a Z-finder, I'm going to have trouble holding it for long periods. This is part of the problem with the DSLRs. On my Ex1, if I get tired I can always cradle it and angle the LCD up - here because you can't do that you have to work with the camera, and so rig, held up and in front of you.

One advantage of the CS is Redrock do well both a tripod mount and also a shoulder brace seperately, so in the former's case you get an easy mounting option and some flexibility there. The shoulder brace is also interesting, given that the tactical shooter sells itself on the handle/shoulder brace combo and with the CS you can essentially get this combo, plus the ffocus and tripid mount and it'd still be cheaper than the zacuto.

Generally, people say zacuto gear is high quality, and whilst i've got seen anyone criticise the quality of redrock products, I also have no idea of the build quality of the CS.

One thing that does strike me though, is that, if the bulk of the cost of the redrock CS is coming from the follow focus - maybe I should consider the CS more as an investment - i.e. I get a follow focus and some stabilisation gear out of it. Then, at a later date if I feel I need more, i can get the TS and add the RR follow focus to it. Seems a plan?

Anyway, those are the relative merits of the two pieces of gear, I'm wondering if anyone can offer some thoughts, esp as I need to make the decision soon, before I can try the Captain in person.

Cheers!

atomick
10-28-2009, 09:02 AM
I get the sense that tons of people have this question, and few folks have grabbed the CS due to lack of distribution, preventing people getting hands-on experience with it.

FWIW, I think I will get the CS because you can easily add a shoulder brace to it. This would give a critical point of torso contact without eliminating the CS's core benefits. Redrock Micro's customer service has confirmed this would fit the stock CS.

All that said, there's a ~3 week lead time on all Redrock products. If time is of the essence, keep that in mind.

andrew00
10-28-2009, 09:26 AM
Aye I don't know if the CS is just new or if it's just not really got out there yet, but certainly there is a lack of info about it.

You are right about the shoulder brace, the Tac Finder is essentially handle and shoulder brace. The CS with the shoulder brace has both that and a handle and a second handle and follow focus, so on paper at least seems as flexible at the Zacuto alternative with the addition of the follow focus and second handle which gives you more handheld flexibility. On paper at least heh!

JCA NI
04-25-2010, 07:22 AM
Guys,
I've got the Redrock Captain Stubling and Zacuto Z Finder Pro on order. The Icelandic ash cloud is holding up shipping to the UK so I'm keen to know if the Z finder is compatible with the Redrock rig before I take delivery in case I should cancel my order.
The obvious problem is the Zacuto's gorilla base plate raising the SLR and lens higher then the follow focus on the Stubling. -Is this the case? Is the follow focus height adjustable?
There aren't many picture of alternative views of the Redrock rig other then the stock Redrock press pic that every retailer carries. The usual hunt round the forums I've found little info on the subject from users.
The Z finder seems the best quality and although the LCDVF or Hoodman seem like cheaper alternatives, as a News Cameraman I know the value of a good viewfinder. So if I'm spending money on any finder I'd like to get one that's future proof and good quality.

As for the good gear: My plan is to whack on the Redrock should mount bits to the kit at a later date. i'd love to get the best of both the Redrock value and the Z finder's reported quality?
So -Is this possible? Has anyone got pics of the underside and back of the Stubling mount? I'd rather fit an alternative, cheaper tripod plate then paying Redrock another £100+ for a plate.
The tripod connector at Shoot35 seems good for around £50. Anyone used it?


I'm trying to cut out a few hundred quid spend where ever I can. I found the Stubling on an old price on CVP/Mitcorp for 498 inc Vat! Even though the next day they put it up to £750 it was saved as a basket so I was able to make a spontaneous Credit-card purchase and buy it at the cheaper price.

More budget stuff:
As a quick-cheap shoulder brace I found a Manfrotto Monopod shoulder brace on Calumet for £25! -add on Calumet's own £10 short minipod and you've a really quick mount for £35!
http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/item/MN361/
http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/item/CK7101/



So Z-finder Pro and Stubling: Compatible or not?

Cheers
John

VGurcu
04-25-2010, 11:23 AM
The tripod connector at Shoot35 seems good for around £50. Anyone used it?

I use the Shoot35 DSLR Mount (essentially bottom part is the tripod connector you are talking about) with RedrockMicro shoulder support components. I can only say 'excellent' about the quality & value about Shoot35 products. DSLR mount comes with a Shim set to adjust the height of the mount. If you get the tripod connector only dont forget the order the shim set for an additional £10.
CPM just announced a cheaper shoulder support alternative, make a quick search and you'll find it.

averan
04-25-2010, 01:50 PM
the CS configuration is very stable while still allowing you to move the camera around.
i use something very similar with my hmc150 (more like the Halo rig actually).
i think you can solve a lot of issues by adding on the Junior rig to the bottom of the CS:
http://www.dvtec.tv/id3.html.
having the vertical shock support arm allows you to relax your arms, reposition, and get all kinds of shots you otherwise couldn't pull off without some serious jittery jello motion.