I vote for DVSLR or DVSC. EDIT -forget that, it's HDSLR [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

Barry_Green

10-17-2009, 11:17 AM

We've wondered what to call these cameras, these SLRs that have video on them. They've been called DSLRs because they're Digital Single Lens Reflex cameras.

But how does that address video?

Some have said "what about VDSLR"? It keeps DSLR, but adds V on for Video. Well, besides the chlamydial imagery it inspires, it reads clunkily (Video Digital SLR).

And we can't call them DSMC's, because that's a Red registered trademark for digital still and motion camera.

So how about DVSLR? DV = digital video, SLR = single lens reflex, seems to fit.

Except for the GH1, which isn't an SLR at all (because it doesn't have a mirror box). So how about DVSC, Digital Video and Still Camera?

I dunno, something feels "right" about the first two letters being "DV"...

Ben_B

10-17-2009, 11:28 AM

Too confusing Barry. How about something simple and easy to remember?

I propose ILLSVCTATP....short for Interchangeable lens large sensor video cameras that also take pictures (gh1, GHX-100, Scarlet,more geared toward video and sans mirror box) and ILLSSCTATV for Interchangeable Lens large sensor still cameras that also take video (5D mkII, 7D, D300s, D3, etc, where they are more geared toward stills and have a mirror box.)

Much simpler and easier. :D

Until cameras like the GF1 and EP-1 get better video features I see no reason that DVSLR won't work...the GH1 is trying to mimick an SLR which is why it has the formfactor it does as well as the great viewfinder.

Zim

10-17-2009, 11:52 AM

I like and I saw it at AbelCineTech

HDSLR

Martti Ekstrand

10-17-2009, 12:28 PM

I've realised since I got my GH1 that very few people these days actually know what SLR stands for. The whole construction with a mirror viewfinder is a mystery to them, even to some who actually own one. Mostly they go "Still Long... something". So DVSC actually would make sense for most people.

J Davis

10-17-2009, 12:46 PM

These days SLR equates to the shape/form factor regardless of whether there is a mirror there any more. And the line further blurs.
Look at the 'point and shoot' sized GF1 that takes interchangeable lenses. What would you call that?

Jeez ... stick that little cam on the end of a zoom and it would look like a hi-tech lens cap.

One thing I've noticed is that the SLR form factor is good prep for scarlet. Its a small box with a sensor.
Need it on your shoulder? Buy rails. And whether we recognize it or not, we are using these SLR bodies in a parallel fashion to Jim's DSMC concept.
Especially with the 7D that needs HDMI connected monitor because its lack of articulated LCD.

So back to what to call these things.
DSMC is the best name but its coined. If we can forget 'SLR' originates from the mirror and now applies to form factor then hdSLR, vDSLR or DVSLR all work.

I remember when D got added to the front so following history I added lowercase v on the front. vDSLR.
It conveys what I mean with little or no explanation, even to those who don't know cameras.

mhood

10-17-2009, 12:53 PM

Being the lone wolf renegade, never follow the herd stud that I am, I will continue to call them what I have called them in the past and pay no mind to what you conformists/nazis try to foist on the masses.

vDSLR

10-17-2009, 12:58 PM

or VDs for short...

Stephen Mick

10-17-2009, 01:34 PM

HDSLR gets my vote.

Kholi

10-17-2009, 02:30 PM

HDSLR gets my vote.

Yup

I'm undecided between hdslr or dslr-v

but hdslr is in the winning. Soon as I'm done with my 7D and general dslr video writeup I'll know.

Luis Caffesse

10-17-2009, 02:32 PM

HDSLR definitely has a better ring to it....

...but I'm just wondering how much will power it's taking Barry to resist posting that these cameras resolve closer to DV resolution as opposed to HD.
:evil:

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-17-2009, 02:35 PM

I like and I saw it at AbelCineTech

HDSLR

HDSLR gets my vote.

Yup

I'm undecided between hdslr or dslr-v

but hdslr is in the winning. Soon as I'm done with my 7D and general dslr video writeup I'll know.

Yeah that's what I was going to suggest after reading the first post.
Technically it would be HDDSLR, but HDSLR is better.

Stephen Mick

10-17-2009, 02:38 PM

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-17-2009, 02:53 PM

Stephen Mick

10-17-2009, 02:59 PM

DVCPRO-HDee?

Barry_Green

10-17-2009, 03:00 PM

Okay, y'all are swaying me, I'm thinking HDSLR sounds better, even if it isn't truly accurate... :)

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-17-2009, 03:04 PM

... y'all ...
Apprantly Stephen, Luis, and I are rubbing of on you.

Barry_Green

10-17-2009, 03:27 PM

Four years in the south will do that to ya.

Barry_Green

10-17-2009, 03:39 PM

Well that never stopped us calling the HVX HD :evil:
If the 7D and GH1 get to be called "high def" then the HVX has *definitely* earned its HD badge... the little HVX certainly outperforms the 7D as far as "real" detail goes, that's for sure.

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-17-2009, 04:04 PM

how about the GH1? it sure seemed (to the eye) sharper than the 170 even in 720
is that just some kind of oversharpening or something?

Barry_Green

10-17-2009, 04:54 PM

how about the GH1? it sure seemed (to the eye) sharper than the 170 even in 720
is that just some kind of oversharpening or something?
It's all smoke and mirrors. I've got an aliasing article coming that explains it all, hopefully.

Kholi

10-17-2009, 05:02 PM

I just thought about this, but the H-- for me-- equals HYBRID. So is it still accurate to call it a Hybrid-DSLR?

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-17-2009, 05:05 PM

It's all smoke and mirrors. I've got an aliasing article coming that explains it all, hopefully.

Interesting. Seems like somewhat similar territory to the HVX resolution chart / "don't worry about that it looks awesome go shoot" discussions of the past.

J Davis

10-17-2009, 05:08 PM

ADSLR

where the A stands for Aliasing
or Added detail

commanderspike

10-17-2009, 05:29 PM

I doubt it'll change from marketing word 'DSLR' just yet because all DSLRs will have video soon, and they'll become synonymous with the concept of hybrid stills / video cameras.

It would take a industry wide marketing push on one term to get it accepted by the bovine public!

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-17-2009, 05:30 PM

ADSLR

...

ADDSLR ... a camera that can only focus on something for a few seconds at a time :)

ChipG

10-17-2009, 05:34 PM

ADDSLR ... a camera that can only focus on something for a few seconds at a time :)
LOL :) good one!

I dunno about trying to re-brand them, everyone now knows they all (for the most part or will soon) shoot video.

WaveRiderXIX

10-17-2009, 05:45 PM

how about something that doesn't have any of that?
HPVC
Highend Photography and Video Camera

That way the average consumer won't be confused even further between HD cameras and the rest of the technology world.
I get enough students and clients coming into my workshops and class confused as hell not knowing what to ask for anymore now-a-days.

Then a DSLR. Then HDV... and DV... and... ahhhh. A DSL that shoots video. A point and shoot that does video... an HD camera that takes pictures... too many terms lol

DVI to HDMI to DV to Mini Display to AVCHD... average consumers are already getting confused to the point where they don't know that they are comparing a video codec to a physical camera.

commanderspike

10-17-2009, 05:58 PM

All these acronyms make my head spin.

I'd rather call them BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH cams. But for the GH1 I reserve EVIL. I've always liked that. Electronic Viewfinder Interchangable Lens camera. But it doesn't work for BLEEEEURRRRHH SLRs. Damn.

Jason Ramsey

10-17-2009, 06:20 PM

I would have to say (even though I've been calling them VDSLR's) that HDSLR is probably the best of the suggestions... Regardless of it's resolving power, they record HD formats, so.... Otherwise, there are a few cams that we shouldn't call HD cams...

anyways... I laughed my ass off at this... Only b/c the thought had never crossed my mind before:

Well, besides the chlamydial imagery it inspires,

We all know where barry's mind is at...

Oh, and that would go the same for the HPV suggestion above :)

later,
Jason

James0b57

10-27-2009, 09:45 PM

I vote for DSLR.

(only because i've never heard of a "V-point 'n shoot" Besides, DSLR could stand for Dynamic-SLR)

Other than that, I'd go for HSLR. Hybrid SLR.

James0b57

10-27-2009, 09:50 PM

HDSLR is too reminiscent of the failed format "HD-DVD" and the crappy "HDV" format.

on top of that, five letters it one too many. It's a mess! 1-4 letters, please.

Nitsuj

10-27-2009, 11:42 PM

I have seen them called HDSLR's in magazines and it seems to be dominant in most places I visit online. I also noticed it being called HDSLR on reviews, webisodes, and podcasts. Also the Wikipedia has it listed as HDSLR's as well. I have only called it that and can't see it being called anything else really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_single-lens_reflex_camera#High_Definition_DSLRs_.28HDSLRs .29

Moses Chisel

10-28-2009, 03:01 PM

I think they should be called "2-HATZ" , at least until they they deliver what we really want :)

insanityfw

10-28-2009, 03:09 PM

darn, I've been calling it vDSLR for while now and now you're telling me that I'm going to have to remember something new :)

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-28-2009, 03:28 PM

LHDSLR
for
Love/Hate DSLR
:)

mhood

10-28-2009, 04:16 PM

I'm calling them "vDSLR"!!!! Now quit confusing me or I'll start waxing Shakespearean on you!

stip

10-28-2009, 04:26 PM

I vote for "Paul". Or "Lilly" if they turn out to be female.

Jack Daniel Stanley

10-28-2009, 04:29 PM

I vote for "Paul". Or "Lilly" if they turn out to be female.
Probably best to go with something like "Terry" or "Kelly".
I'm calling them "vDSLR"!!!! Now quit confusing me or I'll start waxing Shakespearean on you!

I've taught, directed, acted Shakespeare - but sure, give it a whirl :)

plasmasmp

10-28-2009, 05:03 PM

I've been calling them vDSLRs for a year or so. Video is tacked on the title just like the video feature itself. Hopefully they will grow into HDSLRs, but by that point I hope the mirror is gone.

dcloud

10-28-2009, 11:37 PM

hybrid-dslr. HDSLR

morgan_moore

10-29-2009, 02:47 AM

VDSLR

Trouble is you cant actually make video with them , video is handheld stuff with power zoom and no focus issues

CineDSLR ?

S

Nitsuj

10-29-2009, 07:53 AM

Hehe well one could decide to change the name of a banana and say it is now called a long yeller fruit-a-ma-bob but that doesn't mean it is actually called that. Trust me it is HDSLR. Hehe.

Jester2138

10-30-2009, 10:38 AM

They're still Single Lens Reflex cameras, even if they shoot video. In a year or two or three all SLR's will shoot video, so all this acronym discussion is ultimately moot. They're just SLR's (or DSLR's if you feel like specifying digital).

Ben_B

10-30-2009, 10:49 AM

I like VSLR. It's 4 letters, sounds awesome, and do we really need to keep saying these things are digital? Lets just rename SLRs FSLR for film single lens reflex...they're not the norm anymore, the digital ones are, and so therefore VSLR, video single lens reflex (camera). The end.

Barry_Green

10-30-2009, 10:54 AM

Well, for that matter -- do we even need the letters "SLR"? The GH1/GF1 aren't SLRs at all...

commanderspike

10-30-2009, 11:09 AM

The letters S, L and R brought to you by Sesame Street are the problem I have as well with all this.

There doesn't seem to be a relevance to using them any more. The mirror has no roll to play in video. It's a rubbish acronym. HDLSR seems to be the way it's heading and it's not for us to decide - larger market forces and branding exercises will do that, and the people will simply pass around the meme.

I have always had a soft spot for EVIL.

James0b57

10-30-2009, 06:22 PM

Well, for that matter -- do we even need the letters "SLR"? The GH1/GF1 aren't SLRs at all...

At least we can still just call it a camera. That's usually what I call it, anyway.

Hopefully we can get away from near pase' terms like "HD" since everything is almost HD. "D" since cameras are almost unanimously digital. And "SLR" is nothing but a battery saver. The viewfinder on even pro cameras is annoyingly small, focus with an LCD may soon replace it and SLR's with their clunky mirrors will be less common. (note: viewfinders on full frame slr's are still great.)

Anyway, I'm saving my money for an HCAM. Holographic 3D camera.

DJDecay

10-30-2009, 06:45 PM

At least we can still just call it a camera. That's usually what I call it, anyway.

Wow, you posted exactly what I was going to post to this thread. But technically you cannot even call them that, since none of these devices contain a light proof, dark box where light sensitive film is kept. There is no film anymore and the CCD is exposed to light 24x7 most in most of them.

HD is the most misused/misapplied acronym in the universe, prefixed to just about everything now. I'm just waiting for the HD-Car, HD-Microwave, HD-Toaster.

Technically HDSLR would apply to the 30megapixel+ Hasselblad/Mamaya still cameras, they have an Reflex Mirror and they are of Higher Definition than your average 12 megapixel SLR.

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I guess the body type, not the mirror/prism no mirror would define it first, second is their ability to record passable video frames at acceptable resolutions and frame rates.
(audio and other things go out the window).