View Full Version : Questions about Redrock gear for 7D
Jean Dantes
10-09-2009, 01:09 PM
Hey guys, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna with this:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.433/.f
However, I was wondering, do I need this?:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.821/.f?sc=2&category=2700
Or would the 7D attach to the shoulder rig without the baseplate?
Also, does anyone know if this would be enough to counter balance a 7D with Sigma 30mm f1.4 lens?:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.1045/.f?sc=2&category=2700
Really need your help on this guys! :)
Thanks in advance to any replies!! :)
stephenmick
10-09-2009, 01:17 PM
Jean,
I'm looking at my RR Shoulder Mount (for sale in the marketplace, by the way), and I think you will certainly want that DSLR baseplate. It'll make life much easier, from what I can see.
As for the counterbalance, my amigo Caffesse has that lens, and I think the weight should balance quite well with the 7D and Sigma 30mm. But that's just an observation on my part, your mileage may vary.
--SM
Jean Dantes
10-09-2009, 01:23 PM
Thanks for the reply SM!! :)
This is gonna sound like a stupid question, but what exactly does the baseplate do?
Perry Wilson
10-09-2009, 01:27 PM
this is exactly what you should get Redrock Souldermount with 18" rods, DSLR Baseplate, and shouldermount offset... this setup will be perfect I know becuase it is the one I use daily
ryansheffer
10-09-2009, 01:28 PM
Currently I have the eyespy deluxe and am using it with my 5d and 7d. Great product but The only issue I have found with my 7d is that the dslr baseplate comes with a little screw that gives two screw in points for the 5d so that the camera is always perfectly straight and that screw hole does not exist on the 7d - not a major issue you just have to be more precise while mounting the 7d if you plan to attach a follow focus.
Yesterday I used the Genus advanced bars (not their yet to be released dslr version) and loved it for handheld with my Marshall monitor. The camera mount in the genus bars has a hollow area between camera munt and baseplate mount which makes for a great place to put your hand in order to cradle the camera. Obviously my redrock rig allows me to mount longer lenses and use my hoodloupe, but if you have a monitor something smaller than the redrock like the genus bars may be perfect for you.
Yesterday I had my 7d on th genus bars with a genus wide mattebox and a tamron 17-50 with a redrock follow focus v2. The result was a compact rig that could fly on and off my tripod. The Dp I was working with said he could shoot the whole movie on that setup. I only bring this up because we had the eyespy on standby and it was barely used.
Jean Dantes
10-09-2009, 01:59 PM
this is exactly what you should get Redrock Souldermount with 18" rods, DSLR Baseplate, and shouldermount offset... this setup will be perfect I know becuase it is the one I use daily
How much did that setup cost Perry?
Perry Wilson
10-09-2009, 08:11 PM
$674 but I also use a Redrock Follow Focus V2 but it isn't a necessity this rig is perfect it is very stable...
vcfilms
10-09-2009, 09:59 PM
Anyone else find those counterweights to be a bit overpriced? I mean they are just tiny metal weights. I want to buy one or two, but could probably make one just as good for about $20-25.
For those who own them, what are your thoughts on them?
Craig Zarkos
10-10-2009, 08:53 AM
Currently I have the eyespy deluxe and am using it with my 5d and 7d. Great product but The only issue I have found with my 7d is that the dslr baseplate comes with a little screw that gives two screw in points for the 5d so that the camera is always perfectly straight and that screw hole does not exist on the 7d - not a major issue you just have to be more precise while mounting the 7d if you plan to attach a follow focus.
Yesterday I used the Genus advanced bars (not their yet to be released dslr version) and loved it for handheld with my Marshall monitor. The camera mount in the genus bars has a hollow area between camera munt and baseplate mount which makes for a great place to put your hand in order to cradle the camera. Obviously my redrock rig allows me to mount longer lenses and use my hoodloupe, but if you have a monitor something smaller than the redrock like the genus bars may be perfect for you.
Yesterday I had my 7d on th genus bars with a genus wide mattebox and a tamron 17-50 with a redrock follow focus v2. The result was a compact rig that could fly on and off my tripod. The Dp I was working with said he could shoot the whole movie on that setup. I only bring this up because we had the eyespy on standby and it was barely used.
could you post a few pics of your rig for us?
Jean Dantes
10-11-2009, 02:48 AM
That sounds like a nice setup Perry. Would it be possible to take a photo of your rig and post it here?
Jean Dantes
10-11-2009, 02:49 AM
Also, again, I know this is gonna sound like a stupid question, but what exactly does the baseplate do?
ecking
10-11-2009, 10:07 AM
I've got the rrm shoulder mount deluxe bundle that I use on my hvx setup. I'm still waiting on my 7D to ship so last week I had to rent a 5D to use for a job. If money is tight you can just use the second rod clamp to attach the camera, which is what I did since I haven't got all my dslr stuff yet. The dslr baseplate is useful because you don't have to use an allen key to disengage the camera from the baseplate and also because the baseplate itself can quick release from the rods. Perry is right about needing that offset. Since i didn't have it I was always kinda looking to the side, which is a huge pain and hurts your eyes after a while.
If you have the shoulder mount kit with rods, the baseplate and the offset you've essentially made your self a 2 handed version of the eye-spy standard kit.
andrew00
10-11-2009, 10:49 AM
Anyone used the Captain Stubling?
Amongst other things I shoot a lot of handheld footage and was thinking of a Zacuto tactical shooter, but the Stubling looks interesting and comes with the FFocus too. Little concerned it won't be stable enough but it's intriguing.
Am also thinking about hooking it up to a Z-Finder - I like how you can take the z-finder off easily, so depending on the handheld situation one can snap it on or off as needed.
Perry Wilson
10-11-2009, 12:15 PM
yeah my 7D ships the 16th I will post pics the day I get it... right not I use it with my XHA1s
Anyone else find those counterweights to be a bit overpriced? I mean they are just tiny metal weights. I want to buy one or two, but could probably make one just as good for about $20-25.
For those who own them, what are your thoughts on them?
I would also like to hear from someone who used these. Worth it? Can't really justify spending $130 on weights at the moment.
meauounji
10-11-2009, 01:18 PM
Also, again, I know this is gonna sound like a stupid question, but what exactly does the baseplate do?
It attaches to your 7D via the tripod mount at the bottom of the camera so that the whole thing can be mounted on to the rails. It's not the only way (or the most versatile way, for that matter) to attach a camera to rails but it is pretty neat looking, IMO. Purpose built parts look more professional when you're out on the job as opposed to re-purposed bits.
Personally, I like a more universal solution that I can attach a tripod quick release plate to. That way, I can take the camera on and off and mount it into another rig quickly.
meauounji
10-11-2009, 02:12 PM
I would also like to hear from someone who used these. Worth it? Can't really justify spending $130 on weights at the moment.
Really though, how much of a recommendation do you need for $130 weights? The pluses of going with these would be 1) they look good. 2) they're made to fit with your kit, so you don't have to bother ghetto-rigging up something that might detract from your professionalism on a paying job. On the other hand, if you already have something like a battery pack or some other kind of gear you could securely mount onto a universal plate in the same spot then it would work just about the same.
Perry Wilson
10-11-2009, 05:56 PM
I know with my XHA1s in the front rear weighting is very necessary. But I prob wont use too much weight with the 7D but remember the heavier the rig the more stable it will be it is important to weight your shoulder rig so that you can take your hand off of your grips and it should stay stable of slowly fall backwards( camera raise up)...
if you already have something like a battery pack or some other kind of gear you could securely mount onto a universal plate in the same spot then it would work just about the same.
I had tried looking around, but where can we find 15mm rod baseplate type pieces that don't break the bank?
Edit: Also, I was looking for a new piece to attach my shoulder mount to my tripod. The tripod mount on the shoulder piece doesn't balance my rig too well.
Jean Dantes
10-12-2009, 07:07 AM
Thanks for the replies :)
So, I can still use the Redrock shoulder rig above without the baseplate? I just dunno if I can justify $195 on a baseplate right now...
Do you guys think that I'll need a "microBalance counterbalance add-on weight" (http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.900/.f?sc=2&category=2700), or would the "microBalance counterweight Starter Kit" (http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl;jsessionid=0a0105531f43c1d87fcb852241a99e00f4 1f17d9fb77.e3eSc3uRax8Te34Pa38Ta38Pb3z0?c=472981&it=A&id=1045&sc=2&category=2700) be enough to balance a 7D + Sigma 30mm F1.4?
Also Perry, what did you mean by "shouldermount offset" ?
Perry Wilson
10-12-2009, 09:15 AM
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Also Perry, what did you mean by "shouldermount offset" ?[/QUOTE]
If you type Shouldermount Offset on the Redrock Shopping site search it will show up... it off sets the cam so it is in front of your face... I use a Zacuto Z-Finder and I can't see into it unless I offset the cam it also helps if you are planning on just using the LCD by itself here is a link... http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.765/.f?sc=2&category=2700
and here is what the rig looks like and this is exactly that my rig will look once my cam gets here I use the Z-finder and Zoom H4n this is the exact rig as I have except for the sony wireless mic and battery on the back...http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2009/09/27/tv-cameraman-matt-jasper-unboxes-and-rigs-up-his-new-7d/
Do you guys think that I'll need a "microBalance counterbalance add-on weight" (http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.900/.f?sc=2&category=2700), or would the "microBalance counterweight Starter Kit" (http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl;jsessionid=0a0105531f43c1d87fcb852241a99e00f4 1f17d9fb77.e3eSc3uRax8Te34Pa38Ta38Pb3z0?c=472981&it=A&id=1045&sc=2&category=2700) be enough to balance a 7D + Sigma 30mm F1.4?
That will be two pounds of counterbalance. Then you can always add the add on weight later. So, I'd say go with the starter kit and see how that works for you.
Jean Dantes
10-12-2009, 11:56 AM
Thanks for the replies :)
Ahhh I see. But to use the "Shouldermount Offset", I will need the DSLR Baseplate, right?
Yeah, I think I'll get the starterkit and see how it feels before ordering anymore weights.
Perry Wilson
10-12-2009, 12:45 PM
Thanks for the replies :)
Ahhh I see. But to use the "Shouldermount Offset", I will need the DSLR Baseplate, right?
Yeah, I think I'll get the starterkit and see how it feels before ordering anymore weights.
No u dont need the DSLR base plate if your are going with the deluxe shoulder mount
Jean Dantes
10-12-2009, 12:52 PM
Ok. What I wanna do is buy this:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.433/.f
PLUS THIS:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.1045/.f?sc=2&category=2700
PLUS THIS:
http://www.hoodmanusa.com/prodinfo.asp?number=H%2DLCKIT
(I'd buy the Z-Finder if I could, but money is tight right now).
However, now I'm wondering, do I need the "Shouldermount Offset" in order to use the Hoodman HoodLoupe correctly?
However, now I'm wondering, do I need the "Shouldermount Offset" in order to use the Hoodman HoodLoupe correctly?
I think comfortably would be the correct term here. I'm pretty sure it is possible to use the loupe without the offset, but you will be bending your neck at a pretty awkward/uncomfortable angle.
My question is, would the offset rails work better or worse than the offset riser for the 7D?
Perry Wilson
10-12-2009, 01:49 PM
not the offset riser is too high(unless you have an unusually long neck) and like 711 said it is a comfort issue... Otherwise you will have a stiff neck plus you will be looking at your screen at an angle... which for me is a huge annoyance... I would just buy the offset that I linked earlier its only $85 but it may be just me in the sense that I would spend 85 to not have a cricked neck and also have leveling issues because I am looking at my LCD crooked you dont need the four link offset just the Three that I showed
Jean Dantes
10-12-2009, 01:53 PM
Haha, it's funny, when I originally typed that message, I was going to use the word "comfortably" and not "correctly"! lol
I'd pay $85 for comfort! Do you guys think the 3 thing's I've chosen (in post #25), plus the Shouldermount Offset, is enough for a decent 7D shoulder rig?
Thanks again for your opinions and feedback, much appreciated!
stephenmick
10-12-2009, 01:56 PM
Sounds like a winner to me.
andrew00
10-12-2009, 02:08 PM
I asked this earlier on but it got lost in the flood:
Anyone have opinions on the Captain Stubling? I shoot a lot of handheld, run and gun and it seems a reasonable solution, from the pictures, has a follow focus, spreads the centre of gravity etc.
But then it could be another expensive rig that does little, so please would people offer opinions.
Oh and I also noted there's very few videos out there shot on it, which is weird!
Perry Wilson
10-12-2009, 02:58 PM
Def. will be a perfect kit
meauounji
10-12-2009, 04:35 PM
I had tried looking around, but where can we find 15mm rod baseplate type pieces that don't break the bank?
Edit: Also, I was looking for a new piece to attach my shoulder mount to my tripod. The tripod mount on the shoulder piece doesn't balance my rig too well.
I think you're going to have to define "break the bank" for your own personal budget.
Cheapest thing I can think of is combining this:
http://www.cinevate.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=176
with this (use two for extra security):
http://www.cinevate.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=68
What you end up with is a tripod mount for your rails that can be moved back and forth for balancing and attached to a quick release plate so you can easily take on/off for different shots. Very helpful for event-type shooters where you have typically very limited time and no second chances. The less time you spend fussing about with your equipment, the more time you have to shoot.
By the way, if you're thinking these bits of metal are overpriced, remember that what you're really buying is a decrease in setup time which, depending on who you are, might be worth a lot.
By the way, if you're thinking these bits of metal are overpriced, remember that what you're really buying is a decrease in setup time which, depending on who you are, might be worth a lot.
Definitely. I hear you on that. I don't shoot commercially yet, so film is still a hobby for me, not a profession, and therefore, all the little trinkets add up quickly. Thanks for the link to the cinevate gear, I will definitely look into that.
Jean Dantes
10-13-2009, 12:03 AM
microshoulderMount Deluxe Bundle - $395.00
microBalance counterweight Starter Kit - $130.00
microShoulderMount offset kit - $85.00
HoodLoupe 3.0, HoodEYE 3.0, & Cinema Strap - $115.00
TOTAL: $725.00
Now that I look at it like that, my mind starts pushing me back towards the indiSYSTEM indiRAILSpro DSLRsm (http://www.indifocus.com/products_indirailsprodslr.htm) for $369.00 (which would be $484.00 with the HoodLoupe).
...dammit. I'm gonna rob a bank, who's with me? ;)