Your plans for stabilizition on the 7D? [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

Lkorver

10-01-2009, 10:42 AM

This should probably be a 5D question since those guys have already fought this battle but I just got my 7D and took what I thought was a very smooth walk around the house with it and realized in looking at the footage I'll definitely need some sort of steadicam/stabilizer to make this camera work.

So what are people planning on purchasing for the more aggressive hand held shots (stabilization options and viewfinder options??).

thanks!

CameronMagee

10-01-2009, 10:56 AM

I haven't shot on one, but these look slick...

http://glidecam.com/product-hd-series.php

Jordan Berry

10-01-2009, 11:00 AM

You can't expect to get good results while walking unless you're using a glidecam, steadicam, merlin, etc. A heavy should rig is another option that can yield quite good results in the right hands.

Most people just don't shoot while they're walking. As a wedding videographer i get 99% of my shots while standing still and the shots I get while walking I shoot with a glidecam. I know that otherwise I will just make people sick.

If you're on a budget and you want something run and gun then i suggest a monopod with a small fluid head. Like this one...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618351-REG/Manfrotto_by_Bogen_Imaging_561BHDV_561BHDV_Video_M onopod_with.html#accessories

If you're not worried about having a tripod then use that, it will yield better results than anything else. If you want to run and gun AND you have the money to spend you might look into the million and one different shoulder, etc, rigs you can purchase. I highly suggest borrowing, renting, etc, one of these setups before investing the money. They aren't right for everyone.

Another good option is getting some sort of DSLR viewfinder. It will help you see your focus and add another point of contact for hand held shooting.

EDIT: Any sort of glidecam, merlin, steadicam, etc will require patience and skill. You can't just spend the money and get good results. You HAVE to learn how to use one correctly before you will get good results.

Mark Harris

10-01-2009, 11:08 AM

I also love the spiderbrace. cheap and effective.

But if you are trying to get away with trying to look like a tourist while actually shooting a movie, I've also had some success with the strap around my neck, and holding the camera out tight in front of me.

mhood

10-01-2009, 11:09 AM

How important is IS on the lens?

patssle

10-01-2009, 11:19 AM

Has anybody used the Glidecam on the 5d or 7d? If so, how well does it work for such a light small camera?

Jordan Berry

10-01-2009, 11:26 AM

How important is IS on the lens?

Dave Williams shoots almost all of his work with a 5D and he says that IS is very important.

Andrew Brinkhaus

10-01-2009, 11:29 AM

Has anybody used the Glidecam on the 5d or 7d? If so, how well does it work for such a light small camera?

Glidecams work great for these small cameras, but unless you intend on always using a wireless FF and focus puller, forget this rig because it is nearly impossible to operate the gimbal, compose the frame and focus all at once, you need a third arm. Generally you can get away with wide/deep dof shots but anything tracking or with shallow dof, your going to need an AC.

Peter J. DeCrescenzo

10-01-2009, 11:31 AM

Refer also to (just a few examples):
http://www.camotionllc.com/
http://www.ikancorp.com/pages/monitors/V5600/index.html

Typically you turn off in-cam or in-lens image stabilization when using a tripod, steadicam or other camera support because the IS system "fights" intentional camera moves -- for example, it may tend to overshoot at the end of a pan, etc.

For hand-held work you often use IS, unless you find it similarly interferes with a particular move.

People have been doing relatively steady hand held camera work for decades with cameras of all shapes, sizes & weights. It takes practice to do it well, but a shoulder brace or steadicam can be a very good addition depending on circumstances.

Jordan Berry

10-01-2009, 11:33 AM

Has anybody used the Glidecam on the 5d or 7d? If so, how well does it work for such a light small camera?

The glidecam works very well with the 5D and it will work well with the 7D.

Lkorver

10-01-2009, 11:40 AM

Jordan Berry

10-01-2009, 11:48 AM

I'm not familiar with the 1000.

I would suggest the 2k if you just plan on flying a 7D + lens. If you want to attach sound, lights, etc, then I would suggest the 4000. Remember, you want the HD MODEL ONLY. The HD model is soo much better than the older 2k,4k, etc.

Lkorver

10-01-2009, 11:51 AM

Thanks Jordan, going to look for some tutorial vids on the glidecam HD series, and based on that, probably pull the trigger.

Perry Wilson

10-01-2009, 12:01 PM

REDROCK Shoulder mount and grips... follow Focus V2, Z-Finder V2, and Zoom H4n... the same rig that was posted under 7D Rigged up for ENG

cjwolff

10-01-2009, 02:28 PM

I'm going for this. I can't be bothered with handholding a camera.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/47696/1254428904.jpg

Jordan Berry

10-01-2009, 02:40 PM

Thanks Jordan, going to look for some tutorial vids on the glidecam HD series, and based on that, probably pull the trigger.

No problem. Just remember that using a glidecam can be difficult to learn. It is also hard on your arms. Most people only use it for small periods of time in order to get certain shots.

Here are two great videos for you...

http://www.lensrentals.com/video/glidecam-setup

http://www.lensrentals.com/video/glidecam-balancing

ProAmateur

10-01-2009, 02:48 PM

Which glidecam would you recommend for the 7D? the HD1000,2000, or 4000?

would you recommend something like the Z Finder to go along with the glidecam? I think the external monitor would be a pain in the butt and would throw off the balance anyway.

Well I don't have one of these (stabilizer) but I cannot see how you would use a Z-Finder with one. I guess maybe if you kept you face a few inches away and just peered though it maybe? Otherwise it seems you would be defeating the purpose by having a contact point with your eye on the Z-Finder.

If this is wrong I hope someone will let me know, because I have thought about getting a stabilizer too.

Regards,

G.
Rookie

kalieaire

10-01-2009, 03:57 PM

What I wanna get all depends on loads and what not. If you plan on shooting all day long, the Merlin with the arm and vest is good. If you have to shoot a wedding, the arm and vest will be a worthy investment.

Personally, I'm going for the Steadicam Pilot. I need a field monitor, so this setup works best for me. 5D, or 7D. Extra batteries and other toys.

Secondly, I came from an XH-A1, so I also have a shoulder rig for situations when I don't want to pull out the Pilot.

Plus, having the Pilot will afford me opportunities as a B/roll shooter - if I'm looking for side gigs I can use whatever equipment I'm assigned.

Jackson Miller

10-02-2009, 12:42 AM

You really need some sort of rails system and shoulder mount or handles. I would say that is more important than a steadycam type thing. Get both if you have the money. But I think you will beat yourself up trying to shoot without a shoulder mount or rig.

iniosante

10-02-2009, 06:51 AM

If you have the money Zacuto makes some amazing stuff... http://www.zacuto.com/dslr-rapid-fire

I pulled out my old Bushhawk this morning and was surprised by how well it is working to stabilize the 7D... http://www.amazon.com/Bushhawk-BH-220D-Shoulder-Safety-Orange/dp/B002AG118W

For telephoto shots get on a tripod (Cartoni, Miller, etc) or a REALLY good monopod like the Manfrotto 561BHDV.

Ash
www.iniosante.com

ChadKinkle

10-02-2009, 09:30 AM

Hey guys! I got my 7D on Wednesday and I love it!

I'm also looking at the Zacuto Rapid fire with Z-Finder or I might go with the Stu's Redrock Captain Stubing. They are basically the same price though I might add the Z-Finder to the Redrock as well. But I'm a little worried that the Redrock might be too heavy to hold up to my face with the Z-Finder since it doesn't have shoulder or chest support. What do you guys think?

Also, I was wondering if you could attach the Redrock rig to a tripod.

-chad

http://www.harpegraphicnovel.com

mtan

10-02-2009, 06:16 PM

Man even with a monopod my footage is shaky, I am thinking an IS lens is required for a good picture, too bad i just bought 2 lenses without it. Guess its tripod only for me until I get an iIS lens.

Perry Wilson

10-02-2009, 06:46 PM

powervideo

10-02-2009, 07:21 PM

I went the full Monty and bought Zacuto. But I've got the new Cinevate gears on the way as well.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=185267&highlight=zacuto

Peter

Kegan

10-02-2009, 09:25 PM

I picked up the Rapid Fire and have had a chance to play around with it. My 7D was delivered to my brother's house, now its just a matter of getting it to Canada.

Kegan

rgdfilms

10-02-2009, 11:21 PM

For stabilization, I had the chance to play with the Blackbird made by Camera Motion Research. Their site is www.camotionllc.com - I've played with a Merlin, Glidecam 2000 and the Blackbird primarily with a Canon 5D. Merlin is very slick and pretty looking but kind of a pain to balance, not to mention, expensive. Glidecam is bulky but offers incredibly easy, smooth shots. The Blackbird is a bit of both worlds. Very compact & lightweight like the Merlin but easy to setup like the Glidecam. I made a demo video for them, here on the 5D, http://vimeo.com/6679723 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzbPWCJhCh8 Very good product for these Vdslrs. Looking forward to using it with the 7D whenever Amazon wants to ship me one!

Humanoid Typhoon

10-03-2009, 03:02 AM

Took at a look at the blackbird. I'd definitely choose it over a merlin but not a glidecam. I'm currently flying with a steadicam pilot and have grown accustomed to the design of the sled. Shot with the merlin for months, don't like it for my operating style.

Zim

10-03-2009, 08:54 AM

With this also being a still camera a monopod would be nice plus having a way to have stable video. I don't know about taking a picture with a shoulder mount. Has anyone tried a Flowpod on a HDSLR?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/zimvg/flowpod_dslr_tall_3.jpg
IMG]http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/zimvg/1shooter_03.jpg[/IMG]

jrod81

10-18-2009, 01:08 AM

referring to this:
http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.472981/it.A/id.433/.f

REDROCK Shoulder mount and grips... follow Focus V2, Z-Finder V2, and Zoom H4n... the same rig that was posted under 7D Rigged up for ENG

jrod81

10-18-2009, 01:23 AM

jrod81

10-18-2009, 01:26 AM

what about ole johnny, would this work for us poor fella's:
http://steadycam.org/

ydgmdlu

10-18-2009, 01:49 AM

what makes the hd series of glidecams better than just the regular glidecam 2000... i was on the cuff of buying one but now the comment about the HD series being superior has me on hold... would like to hear from you guys on it
They're essentially the same. Yes, the HD series is better, but not by much. If you could afford that, then go for it. But otherwise, don't bother.

ydgmdlu

10-18-2009, 01:54 AM

what about ole johnny, would this work for us poor fella's:
http://steadycam.org/
Yes, it would work OK, but you'd get pretty much the same results by using a tripod as a Steadicam, as this video shows you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2QmcAYOxvc

rksw12

10-19-2009, 07:04 AM

FYI, we're talking about the switronix dslr bracket in another post. Not quite a steadicam but may be functional. Amazon has the dslr bracket for $265 with free shipping. I ordered one to give it a try.

http://www.amazon.com/DSLR-Camera-Sh...5957178&sr=1-2 (http://www.amazon.com/DSLR-Camera-Shoulder-Stabilizer-Canon/dp/B002SYI364/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&m=A2V4064T1479HM&s=generic&qid=1255957178&sr=1-2)

commanderspike

10-19-2009, 08:09 AM

7107339

Also works for 7D. Just add weights as appropriate.

jrod81

10-19-2009, 08:58 PM

what was that video? is that diy rig or something? is it a glidecam sitting on the desk and you are saying that the one in your hand is better? i am confused...

jrod81

10-19-2009, 09:04 PM

not bad... actually, there is one on ebay for $50...

Yes, it would work OK, but you'd get pretty much the same results by using a tripod as a Steadicam, as this video shows you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2QmcAYOxvc

commanderspike

10-20-2009, 06:27 AM

what was that video? is that diy rig or something? is it a glidecam sitting on the desk and you are saying that the one in your hand is better? i am confused...

Sorry should have explained on the thread what I put on the Vimeo page. The camera is a 5D and it's on a tiny stabiliser. That's what I recommend for the 7D. You could get the much larger Glidecam (there for size comparison), but the Hague Mini Motion works just as well if not better, for a camera the weight & proportions of the 7D / 5D. You need to add extra weights though, as it doesn't come with enough in the package.

commanderspike

10-20-2009, 06:29 AM

not bad... actually, there is one on ebay for $50...

I see so he's created a pivot point with his fingers and is gripping the tripod leg for stability. Seems to work well but a bit awkward. You'd have to keep your fingers in the right place to achieve the balance and it'd be tiring. Nice try though.

ZazaCast

10-20-2009, 08:38 AM

Has anyone ever tried one of these?
http://www.sivanstabilizer.com/

Seems a little pricey for what it is....?

Constantinos

10-20-2009, 11:32 AM

Hello there. Just want to pop in a give you some usefull info about stabilizers so you wont be buying stuff that dont work.
Make sure the rig you are looking at has a gimbal, either the glidecam style hheld gimbal style stabilizer or Merlin style stabilizer. If you are looking at stuff that dont have a gimbal there is going to be no isolation of vibrations or motion there for no stability.
All of the above styles of stabilizers work to a degree depending how well you can balance the camera in x.y adjustments compensating with counter weights, and secondly how much friction there is in the gimbal. Because these systems are free floating the less friction the better they work. All the rest of the stuff you see are more camera positioning systems rather than stabilizers so they wont work as stabilizers.
Third always demand to see a video from actual footage taken from the systems rather than sawing the systems. that will tell you the truth as long as the footage is from the actual systems taken and not scam.
BR
Constantine

commanderspike

10-20-2009, 01:34 PM

The Hague Mini Motion has a gimbal. I honestly think, after researching the market for months I can't get a better one for the money. £70 is a steal especially as us UK guys are usually ripped off to high heaven over camera kit.

Footage from it is on my Vimeo account - Erase & Rewind music vid. And the video I posted earlier is simply a shot of the steadicam in action and a size comparison with the much larger Glidecam.

jrod81

10-20-2009, 05:47 PM

here is a link to the product:
http://www.b-hague.co.uk/Camcorder%20Stabilizer%20HCS3.htm

wonder about US pricing with shipping???

The Hague Mini Motion has a gimbal. I honestly think, after researching the market for months I can't get a better one for the money. £70 is a steal especially as us UK guys are usually ripped off to high heaven over camera kit.

Footage from it is on my Vimeo account - Erase & Rewind music vid. And the video I posted earlier is simply a shot of the steadicam in action and a size comparison with the much larger Glidecam.

jrod81

10-20-2009, 05:50 PM

from that website above, which would we need for the 7d? just the mini? will that support it if we get into FF, mattebox, etc???

PaPa

10-20-2009, 09:21 PM

I don't understand what the point is at looking at a gimbal based stabilizer ?? Do you have access to a wireless FF unit? How do you intend to pull focus, or will you just always have your subject at equal distance from the camera during any given shot? Because truly you are restricted to that.

Now with a wireless FF, i would say go for it. But if you don't have those resources at your disposal, not to mention a focus puller, then getting some sturdy shoulder rig would be of the most benefit, along with a strong tripod, a dolly, maybe a jib as well: all things you can control manual focus pulls.

morgan_moore

10-20-2009, 11:15 PM

jrod81

10-20-2009, 11:57 PM

how much?

The question of focus I find most bemusing

even the shoulder mounts where you cant access the focus seem totally useless without having a puller working for you

My rig www.halfinchrails.com gives the operator access to the focus wheel..

S

morgan_moore

10-21-2009, 12:40 AM

about 300UKP - small runs = large outlay

not the cheapest but it works in some situations better than any other kit you can buy all

black is coming BTW

S

Constantinos

10-21-2009, 01:45 AM

For most new hd cams there is a wired ffocus solution have a search.For DSLRs there is birger mounts, and also you can make a cheap r/c servo control for focus controlled only by a pot. If you like I can give you info about hoe to make this.
That will allow you to pull focus placing in somewhere convenient with out having to tough the lense.
The wires are very thin and wont have any effect if rooted nicely on the stabilization.
If there is no gimbal there is no isolation from motion its just pure physics and Iam afraid thats the way it is .
The rigs you dont see a gimbal are just for easy and comfortable positioning of the camera and angle nothing else really as they react to any body error.
Take my word for it my firend. Ive been a steadicam op for more than 12 years and designer of tools for more than 8 years.
There is also a cheap solution to your probs if you like to make it for your selve.
Buy a manfroto little stage and plate , connect a tube under it, and add some counter weights at the bottom . Make it in a way that you can adjust the counter weights in x,y axis adding some rods and rod bracket.Now you have created a rig with big inertia and just grab it at the post where its balance a bit bottom heavy.
Your wrist and arm will act as a gimbal, your arm as a spring arm.
This is the cheapest possible way to have some stabilization, it was called a pogo -cam.
But seriously a gimbal design is a must for stability.
Thats why I have a gimbal on my shoulder mount rigs and 12 bearings for each rig 6 pivots.
My 2 cents .
Constantine

PaPa

10-21-2009, 06:32 AM

The question of focus I find most bemusing

even the shoulder mounts where you cant access the focus seem totally useless without having a puller working for you

My rig www.halfinchrails.com gives the operator access to the focus wheel..

S

lol, of course you can access a focus wheel on a shoulder mount. I do it all the time with ease, where as on a gimbal, it's impossible without throwing off the balance. Seems like a bit of a waste to go gimbal route without a wireless FF when there are so many other better investments you can make that will allow you to control focus.

morgan_moore

10-21-2009, 08:57 AM

lol, of course you can access a focus wheel on a shoulder mount. .

I think there is some cross chat going on , im not suggesting a gimbal

---

How do you access a FF on a shoulder mount - without taking your hand off the handle

removing your hand from the handle surely ruins your shot

S

PaPa

10-21-2009, 09:26 AM

I guess it depends on how you run your rig, but i simply have my right hand on the right grip, i have my left hand on the focus wheel, and if everything is nicely balanced, then most of the weight is being held by your shoulder and not your wrists. Easy peasy.

jrod81

10-21-2009, 11:06 AM

doesn't zacuto or redrock make a single handgrip shoulder mount? perhaps it is balanced properly for this very reason... of course i can't afford it but just throwing it out.
the captain stubling i believe

morgan_moore

10-21-2009, 11:23 AM

PaPa

10-21-2009, 12:09 PM

sure man.

http://www.vimeo.com/1692678

pass: tight

3 of the shots have focus pulls.

morgan_moore

10-21-2009, 12:58 PM

that link goes to soething shot with..

shot on XH A1 - truecolor preset
Letus Extreme 35mm adapter

the rig is a little heavier and more balanced is it not ?

You have a 7d clip online too just at the end you pull focus and the image shakes as you do it ...

im not attacking your work BTW - I just think handleing the small light DSLRs is a new skill and techset required..

S

rksw12

10-21-2009, 01:34 PM

I just received in my switronix DSLR-pro bracket for my Canon 5D and it works pretty well. I didn't have the budget for the zacuto rig, so I gave it a shot at $265. The single handed grip works well for me. You may want to check it out. One pain is that the shoulder portion is pre-bent so you have to manipulate it a bit to get it to fit right, but after about 30min. of working with it, i got it right.

I'm going to try to post some pics.

PaPa

10-21-2009, 05:07 PM

morgan, ill post footage in about an hour and a half. If that doesn't convince you.. ;)

PaPa

10-21-2009, 07:22 PM

might take a little while. Rendering for an hour and a half.

morgan_moore

10-22-2009, 12:55 AM

looking forward - a pic of the rig too ?

S

Constantinos

10-22-2009, 01:04 AM

Hello. Maybe I didnt get it right, but are you talking about stabilizers for the DSLRs or shoulder mounts for easy shoulder or hand held shooting?
Cause there is a big difference in between these two.
When I talk stabilizing shots I take the word stabilization with full meaning and not just steadier shots from your hand holding .
So if you talk about shoulder base, yes its steadier than your hand using them but not in any way a stabilizer.
Thats why I dont even use the word stabilizer for my rigs even if they work pretty well.
Its not for DSLRS though overkill for these cams.
Maybe I do something for them in the near future.
Thanks

morgan_moore

10-22-2009, 05:39 AM

They are talking shoulder mount in the main

ps your rig looks interesting similar to mine in that you keep it loose at the shoulder

S

PaPa

10-22-2009, 09:13 AM

a shoulder mount is a form of a stabilizer. Don't get yourself confused now :) Stabilizer is not a steadicam, it's a form of stabilizer.

Video is uploading now.
photos coming soon.

Constantinos

10-22-2009, 09:54 AM

In the industry business we refer to camera stabilizers when we talk about any kind of steadicam related or gyro related assisted rigs, all of them apart of rigs that are just cameras with mounted gyros under are gimbalized,
Shoulder mounts are shoulder mounts, tripods are tripods cranes are cranes,otherwise you can say that a crane is a stabilizer, a tripod is a stabilizer, and just about anything that you can have more stable shots than the ones you do by pure hand held.
Just to clear this out, and because i saw people mentioning glidecams and stuff my advice was towards that direction.
Dont get confused.
Best regards
Constantine

PaPa

10-22-2009, 02:10 PM

here it is, proof in the puddin:

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Kholi

10-22-2009, 03:51 PM

Papa what Focal Length and aperture are you at?

PaPa

10-22-2009, 04:11 PM

using a nikon 35mm F2

Kholi

10-22-2009, 04:16 PM

using a nikon 35mm F2

At what stop?

It's straight. The real deal is going to 100mm or higher. That's honestly, to me, the testament of a successful shoulder mount setup.

PaPa

10-22-2009, 05:51 PM

100mm it is.. Gimme another night to upload.

just did the test and realized using a 105 within the confines of my house is pretty stupid... Way too telephoto to get most of anything in a proper frame.

But meh, will post regardless to show that there are no problems pulling focus from the shoulder rig.

PaPa

10-22-2009, 07:46 PM

PaPa

10-22-2009, 08:32 PM

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Jean Dantes

10-22-2009, 10:07 PM

PaPa, if you have time, can you please post a pic of your shoulder rig? Thanks! :)

PaPa

10-23-2009, 08:06 AM

ill try, the problem is the camera i would use to take a photo of my rig is on the rig!

patssle

10-23-2009, 08:23 AM

Glidecam 2000. Finally a light enough camera, even my weak arms can hold it up without a body brace.

And this is only with a couple hours of practice, still need a lot more!

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PaPa

10-23-2009, 08:37 AM

very good work there man. A little bit of swaying, but i don't see any up and down bumping, which means you are on good track!

Again, not to be pessimistic about using the 7D on a glidecam/steadicam, it's just you are limited to shots that :

1) subject to camera distance remains the same
2) subject/target is infinity focus or hyper-focal distance.

I mean, it's definitely doable, it just means blocking your shots according to your limits.

Here is a shot i did for a school project a little while ago for example:

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patssle

10-23-2009, 08:48 AM

very good work there man. A little bit of swaying, but i don't see any up and down bumping, which means you are on good track!

Again, not to be pessimistic about using the 7D on a glidecam/steadicam, it's just you are limited to shots that :

1) subject to camera distance remains the same
2) subject/target is infinity focus or hyper-focal distance.

Thanks!

You're right, you are limited to what you can do with a glidecam. But for less than $300 and a very lightweight and compact unit, I accept those limitations. It's just like working with an HDSLR, know the limitations and work around them.

Cory Braun

10-23-2009, 09:54 AM

Has anyone used DVTEC's MultiRig with their dSLR? I have one for my DVX100b + Letus35 and am trying to figure out if it would work well with my GH1 that is coming hopefully this weekend.

Kholi

10-23-2009, 10:08 AM

uploading now.

but just fyi, i don't see the point in doing this test with a 105 mm lens on the 7D. I would never ues anything more than a 50 mm lens on a shoulder rig if i were moving around tracking the subject.

Standing still sure, but thats it. This test would probably be most relevant to see if racking on a shoulder rig causes any bumps and disturbances in the footage with a 50 or 85 mm lens. 105 is a little over kill.

LOL Why are you complaining? It looks pretty steady/acceptable to me, man. 100mm - 135mm Handheld tracking is definitely NOT overkill and common enough to warrant practice. I've gotten up to 180mm safely with the 7D and can rack and track just fine.

Whatever rig you're using you've got it down, looks like to me. Good job.

Handheld is useless if you can't go beyond 85mm, to me. Might as well be on a tripod or something else. =D But that's just me.

Post pics of your rig already.

PaPa

10-23-2009, 10:14 AM

lol, alrighty.

Kholi

10-23-2009, 10:22 AM

lol, alrighty.

Once you get to a point where you can do that sort of on the fly focusing, walking and tracking with a 100mm you're good to go handheld. It's pretty sweet to see that your image isn't jittering all over the place, as well.

I need to get my small LCD or another one on board asap.. trying to crane my neck to see the 7D LCD is a pain when pulling focus.

Pics, though, of your rig. Quickly!

PaPa

10-23-2009, 10:33 AM

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http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/303/7dsetup07.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2294/7dsetup08.jpg

PaPa

10-23-2009, 10:35 AM

Once you get to a point where you can do that sort of on the fly focusing, walking and tracking with a 100mm you're good to go handheld. It's pretty sweet to see that your image isn't jittering all over the place, as well.

I need to get my small LCD or another one on board asap.. trying to crane my neck to see the 7D LCD is a pain when pulling focus.

Pics, though, of your rig. Quickly!

what im most pleased with, is there is ZERO jello. Some skewing here and there, but just popping this on a shoulder gets rid of the jello almost completely. And this is with a telephoto lens.

Nothing wrong if you like using that much lens on a shoulder, lol, but for me anyway, my style of shooting, i would never go over 85. Good to know that the 105 is stable enough to give me confidence to use the 85!

Kholi

10-23-2009, 11:41 AM

what im most pleased with, is there is ZERO jello. Some skewing here and there, but just popping this on a shoulder gets rid of the jello almost completely. And this is with a telephoto lens.

Nothing wrong if you like using that much lens on a shoulder, lol, but for me anyway, my style of shooting, i would never go over 85. Good to know that the 105 is stable enough to give me confidence to use the 85!

That's because you threw weight on it in a way that's proper for the application. It's RIGHT against your shoulder instead of lingering out an extra thousand and four inches of space. I have NEVER been able to understand the logic behind putting weight out on your joints in a see saw fashion.

Most of the weight should be on your shoulder or very damned near to it, like how your rig is setup.

I'm having my rig refined today, hopefully, will post new pics of it with the new gear attached. Hint: Redrock DSLR quick release plate and Zacuto Z-ARms (The long ones) are the greatest assets to the DSLR handheld application.

Kegan

10-23-2009, 12:58 PM

Very nice rig PaPa. What is it comprised of? Of course a lot of it has to do with your ability to shoot handheld as well. You can focus on the fly pretty nicely.

Damn, maybe it is time I forked out for an FF. I'm finding it a little difficult without one.

Kegan

Jean Dantes

10-23-2009, 06:09 PM

PaPa, is that a indiRAILSpro XVsm?

PaPa

10-23-2009, 07:34 PM

alright, so its

Cinevate camera mount to rails
indifocus rails
indifocus follow focus
the whole Z riser thing was made from Letus bracket parts
and finally, indimatte box.

mhood

10-23-2009, 08:25 PM

Really nice PaPa. Here's my poor boy's rig in its present state (no Loop, FF or MB). It's the Gini Rig off ebay ($265 shipped). It's my first experience with rails (always typical ENG cameras before) and I must say it is quite light and I seem to be able to be pretty steady with it.

morgan_moore

10-24-2009, 06:32 AM

Papa

interesting rig , I see you have added significant additional mass which of course helps stability and FF challenges

I would concur that your rig is most likely 'usable'

I note that the rear mass is dropped to give rotational intertia to the system which will help too

nice layout

my personal mission s to create stable rigs that add minimal extra mass

S

Jean Dantes

10-26-2009, 12:07 AM

PaPa, is that the indiFOCUS20?

http://www.indifocus.com/products_indifocus20.htm

SWB

10-26-2009, 12:29 AM

PaPa, is that the indiFOCUS20?

http://www.indifocus.com/products_indifocus20.htm

looks like the indiFOCUSpro: http://www.indifocus.com/products_indifocuspro.htm

PaPa

10-26-2009, 09:52 AM

ya, it's the pro.

Jean Dantes

11-02-2009, 12:18 AM

That's because you threw weight on it in a way that's proper for the application. It's RIGHT against your shoulder instead of lingering out an extra thousand and four inches of space. I have NEVER been able to understand the logic behind putting weight out on your joints in a see saw fashion.

Most of the weight should be on your shoulder or very damned near to it, like how your rig is setup.

I'm having my rig refined today, hopefully, will post new pics of it with the new gear attached. Hint: Redrock DSLR quick release plate and Zacuto Z-ARms (The long ones) are the greatest assets to the DSLR handheld application.

Ever get your rig up and running Kholi? Would love to see it!

minuz

11-03-2009, 11:37 AM

HY GUys,
have you ever seen this system Easysteady (website www.easysteady.com) and they are discussing even in this forum... there you can see some photo and comment of the system carrying on a 5d canon...
http://hbsboard.com/index.php/topic,4175.0.html
Take a look and tell me what do you think about it
Bye

boo

11-03-2009, 03:07 PM

how much is that? US dollars?

minuz

11-07-2009, 07:25 AM

It' should be between 22.000 /26.000 € but if you think that we can compare it to progpi or tiffen g70 system it should be cheaper than those system...

minuz

11-07-2009, 07:30 AM

I would apologize with everyone who are reading this thread, but bucause I'm to engaged in several forum, I've noted that in this forum I forgot to mention that I'm the owner of mindfilm, the factory which produces easysteady the brand new stabilization system for light and pro camcorder...
So if you think that this shoul be represent a sort of hidden pubblicity, please banned us for our future post, but if you think that this should represent an occasion to share our experience and giving further information or comaprizion between our and other stedicam systems, please do not exitate to ask us further informations about us...

Thank you again

Fabrizio Minuz
info@easysteady.com

USLatin

11-09-2009, 08:55 PM

Kholi, I suppose this is the stabilization thread you mentioned to me a few weeks back. Thanks.

And thank you Jonathan, for posting that 105mm test and others.

I would love to see those pictures of your rig Kholi, if you got it all dialed in to your liking already.

johnhafner

11-11-2009, 02:54 PM

I'd like pics too Kholi...

minuz

11-22-2009, 07:18 AM

Hi everybody,
I think that this product coulb interesting for you
take a look and tell me what do you think,
in this way you can quickly pass from stedicam to tripod an to crane in just few seconds...
bye bye

Wendt

11-22-2009, 08:12 PM

PaPa, Do you think the Redrock Eye Spy would work as well as your rig? What would be the pros and cons from your point of view? Thanks

http://www.redrockmicro.com/cartpics/eyeSpy_deluxe_v2_lg.jpg

minuz

12-05-2009, 08:06 AM

Hi guys
her some further examples of our steady in different configurations

Jean Dantes

12-05-2009, 09:07 AM

minuz

12-05-2009, 01:38 PM

yes of coure,
you can go to our website
www.easysteady.com
or you can contact me by mail, or phone or skype or facebook
my name is Fabrizio Minuz...
regards

Jean Dantes

12-05-2009, 06:05 PM

Hey minuz, I wasn't referring to the Steadicam (which looks great by the way!), but rather the picture you posted with this link:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/attachment.php?attachmentid=14040&d=1258899445

Where can I find out more about this product?

minuz

12-06-2009, 05:02 AM

jonE5

12-08-2009, 10:30 AM

I just found a Glidecam 1000 pro on ebay for $100 and ordered it. Been looking for a while to find one at that price point, anyone know of a shoulder rig that is around $100 as well?

Even the gini rig is closer to $300

meimaluco

12-08-2009, 08:34 PM

ohhhh sorry...
by the way we are the producer of this system too... it's called Xplate full kit and it's available by our catalog at the price of 645,00 € vat and shipping excluded..
it can be connected to the steady and to the tripod in a very fast way, thanks to the plate standard in our system...
for further informtions don't exitate to ask us

Hi Minuz,

I'm interested in the Xplate Full Kit for the Canon 7D.

I didn't find the kit on your catalog, only the Xcess plate.

How should I proceed if I decide to buy it?

I would like to see more photos, is it possible?

Best,

Ricardo Claper