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ramsaur
09-28-2009, 10:08 PM
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/TheatricalPoster-5.jpg

July 27, 2009
Concept in mind and given to writer.

July 30, 2009
Script writing begins.

August 20, 2009
Final draft written, casting and crewing starts.

September 26, 2009
First day of shooting.

October 11, 2009
Second day of shooting.

October 30, 2009 @ 2:22am CST, USA
So I just want to thanks all my editors for helping me out even at the last minute!
Some of you are still working but it's coming very close to the end and this film will be
worth all of your hard work. You won't be let down :)

October 31, 2009
Approved! Everyone enjoy my film!

ramsaur
09-28-2009, 10:09 PM
Cast



News Reporter: Lindsay Small
Test Subject 1: Barry Free
Test Subject 2: Bryan Freeman
Test Subject 3: Caleb Jones
Test Subject 4: Saffron Neuman
Test Subject 5: Ashley Sweeney
Test Subject 6: Tristan Lavelle

Crew
Director/Producer: Matthew Ramsaur | IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2850087) | www (http://www.ramsaurfilms.net)
Writer: Alex Whitmer | IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3566392) | www (http://alexwhitmer.wordpress.com/)
Director of Photography: Brian Garcia | www (http://www.tacolamp.com)
Editor: Matthew Ramsaur
Music: Justin R. Durban | IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0243943) | www (http://www.edgen.com)
1st Assistant Director: Eddie Armes | IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2307209)
Boom Operator/Sound Recordist: Ken Wactor
Sound Design: Ben Hase
Visual Effects: Ben McEwan | IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3229205) | www (http://www.youtube.com/BenMcEwan) & Daniel J. Maher | IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3595512)
Compositors: Justin Armstrong, Zachary Nichols, Nathaniel Caauwe
Special Makeup Effects Artist: Frank Johnson
Production Assistants: Matthew VanWinterswyk, Cole Sullivan
Transportation: Amy Pope

ramsaur
09-28-2009, 10:10 PM
Locations

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/IMG_1234.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/IMG_1235.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/IMG_1240.jpg

Props

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/clip3.jpg

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/touchholo1.jpg

ramsaur
09-28-2009, 10:10 PM
Shot on Canon Rebel t1i

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/009.jpg
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http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/011-1.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/8-2.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/2-3.jpg
http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd191/ramsaur/013.jpg

Michael Anthony Horrigan
09-29-2009, 05:12 PM
Cool grading! Some nice grabs.

Big fan of Alex's writing so I'm looking forward to this one.

ramsaur
09-29-2009, 05:17 PM
Thanks man. I'm going to post a few more after we have our 2nd day of shooting / finishing up the film.

Ki-Ki
09-29-2009, 05:42 PM
Hey 'Ramsaur,

Caught your Twit. Nice thread, liking the stills. Looking forward to the final piece. :)

Synopsis?

Rodney V. Smith
09-29-2009, 06:03 PM
Hey dude. Nice looking stills. What look are you going for with the grading?

ramsaur
09-29-2009, 06:10 PM
Hey 'Ramsaur,

Caught your Twit. Nice thread, liking the stills. Looking forward to the final piece. :)

Synopsis?
Thank man. Synopsis.. gotta wait for the film this time man. I'll post a few more grabs and updates when we do our 2nd day of shooting.


Hey dude. Nice looking stills. What look are you going for with the grading?
Thanks man. The grade, a few scenes have different grades to them. But just a weird creepy one. A little hard to explain at the moment. But in the end I won't be the colorist. I'm just doing it to get a feel of what I want right now.

Marlon Ladd
09-30-2009, 08:00 AM
Nice grabs. Make up looks good and frightening. Looks like you had some good locations - plenty of room to get stuff from all angles.

ramsaur
10-28-2009, 03:53 AM
New Poster and Screen Grabs. Film is coming along nicely.

Marlon Ladd
10-28-2009, 06:51 AM
Everything's lookin' good. How close are you to the finished product?

ramsaur
10-28-2009, 12:24 PM
Pretty close. Wrapping up some vfx, sfx, composites, music fixes, and regular touch ups.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
10-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Nice! This one is looking good.

Shaun Patrick
10-28-2009, 12:31 PM
I definitely dig those grabs. Pretty cool.

ramsaur
10-28-2009, 12:51 PM
Thanks! You'll just find my film... very interesting. That's all I'm going to say till you all get to see it.

Charli
10-28-2009, 01:29 PM
Freakish poster, dude, whoa.

ramsaur
10-30-2009, 07:41 AM
So only ONE thing left to composite and for a good few hours it's been up to me. No editors online, till now. Found one guy who is better than me. So hopefully it will come out well and I can finally upload! If there's any compositors reading this who could try the shot. Shoot me a PM

Sarah Daly
10-30-2009, 07:55 AM
Awesome poster and very creepy grabs - like the look of this - plus, I'm always an Alex fan.

Matt Harris
10-30-2009, 05:43 PM
ramsaur back in the building. i love the hologram on the poster, the creepy masks... everything. this looks cool man. and you shot on the rebel? what did you do for sound? was the camera mic good enough? i have shot stuff on the d90 and i thought the mic was actually decent for voices.

ramsaur
10-30-2009, 05:51 PM
The t1i has some great audio but the BG noise is too much. But we had a boom operator/sound recordist there operating on my RODE NTG-2 and it sounds soooo much better. So you'll be hearing audio from that.

And thanks about the comments. I actually got crept and freaked out after watching it on my on a couple times. So I hope you all enjoy it when it comes out tomorrow hopefully.

ramsaur
10-30-2009, 08:57 PM
So I just decided to put up 2 more grabs (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1759839&postcount=4). The 2nd one is pretty much one of my favorites and the last one is just cool looking.

Matt Harris
10-30-2009, 09:05 PM
looks really freakin cool, i love the desaturated color.

ramsaur
10-31-2009, 02:40 AM
Woo Hoo! Approved! Can't wait to view all the films!

Edgen
10-31-2009, 08:56 AM
Congrats on the approval Matt! Good luck

/j

mustardseed
10-31-2009, 10:20 PM
Great job on the film Matt! Absolutely disgusting

Michael Anthony Horrigan
10-31-2009, 10:40 PM
From my notes.

Could have cut out the noticeable camera bump at the end of the opening shot.
Acting seems a bit wooden. The Lead actress is good though, as are the followers.
Great VFX/sound/score. Really liked the score in this one.
Great makeup!
See you got a good DP. :)
Little fuzzy on the ending but overall this is your best yet.

MAH

EditPhish
11-01-2009, 02:08 AM
I liked some of your special effects, though some of them seemed gratuitous (I'm not sure I get why you set the story in a future world - what purpose it served in the story).

There were times when it looked REALLY good... but there were also times, not so much. Did you have problems with lighting consistency? Did you change your color grading process along the way? The look just didn't seem to me to stay consistent.

I also think the sound needed some work, but I liked the soundtrack.

It was an interesting concept and I certainly didn't get bored watching it, but I did feel a little confused in the end. Overall it scored about in the middle for me because it just wasn't as tight as it could have been, but I did enjoy watching it.

MrFluffy
11-01-2009, 06:42 AM
This was a well made film, but I just didnt get the ending.

mustardseed
11-01-2009, 07:13 AM
See you got a good DP. :)


Thanks for the compliment! (I was the DP)

Michael Anthony Horrigan
11-01-2009, 07:34 AM
Thanks for the compliment! (I was the DP)
Lots of nice rack focus shots. :thumbup:

Noel Evans
11-01-2009, 01:06 PM
Matthew. Seeing some improvement IMO over last fest. But still seeing the same issues with sound and lighting (although improved). The acting was a bit stiff. None really believable. Some of the shot choices seemed a little thrown together. Score was excellent.

Im going to say this with a big spoonful of respect. Ive said it in past fests to you as well. IMO you should do one short and make sure every component works 100% (havent seen Thirst yet... now I have and I think it reiterates my point).

In these two shorts you had two writers, and Im not sure you conveyed either story as intended by either writer.

I can see what you're trying to do. And being a prolific filmmaker is an admirable pursuit and I commend you on actually completing two. But I just dont think the end result is showing the full potential.

Marlon Ladd
11-01-2009, 01:11 PM
I was confused by the ending. One shot that stood out though, was the cnn TV shot. That was so great. They only thing I would do to that is take out the "rec" in the top right corner. You only see that when you're actually looking in the camera. The makeup was very good in here. One guy looked like the original Michael Myers from "Halloween." Very scary indeed. There's definitely some potential here and it stood out in some parts more than others. Good luck!

ramsaur
11-01-2009, 02:27 PM
Hey guys thanks for the feedback so far! Me and Alex Whitmer are going to re write a few things for a few minutes longer version to make it all understandable so everyone can understand as to what is going on. The end really is:

**SPOILERS HERE**
As she puts the painting into her she is giving the painting her soul so she can become mortal. The end when watching the news report it is telling that of course the painting was stolen. It's a little too grainy behind what is going on. But the zombies who dressed up as guards stole the painting. The painting was on tour from the Louvre.
**END SPOILERS HERE**

@ Noel Evans - About the should stick with one film. I now do agree. After starting a 2nd film when I could have worked more on LISA is when I told myself I should have done one film overall. So any next fests I do, I will be doing one film :)

If anyone just doesn't understand anything else just shoot me a PM and I'll let you know or you can wait later this month when we release the version that explains everything.

Thanks for all the comments and keep them coming. We need them as well to help us with the longer version, so feel free to leave longer/descriptive critiques.

TMerry
11-01-2009, 08:26 PM
Hey ramsaur, I watched this last night and enjoyed it! I wasn't really sure what the story was about. I'm guessing, they steal artwork, step into the painting and it allow them to be normal for a while? Story aside, you had some cool after effects 3d interfaces, and the desk hologram projection was creepy too. There was one shot as you dollied by all the actors sitting on the floor. The close ups of their faces were blue-sih and creepy, I would have kept that same look for all of their scenes. Everyone in the room saw that scene and said Whoooo, that's sick. Good overall work, I look forwards to seeing more great films from you in the future!! :-)

mobiledeli
11-01-2009, 09:43 PM
Oh, Mona Lisa.

I think that your "monsters" are probably the scariest in the fest. They remind me of some obscure cult acting out demonic stuff. Spooky.

The special effects, while well executed and visually interesting, stepped in front of the story.

Great job on the old fist through stomach gag. Grotesque.

All of a sudden Mona Lisa?

The concept's there (as far as the "monsters" appearance) but it needs reasons why.

Now. Perfect.

Chris_Keaton
11-01-2009, 09:46 PM
Somehow this short made more sense to me when I watched it than when I read it. Didn't fully understand what was happening, but that didn't stop my enjoyment of it. Everyone liked the makeup, but I didn't. Don't know what's wrong with me, but there was the one zombie you used in your promo pictures that really looks good in it, but everyone else just looks like stuff was plastered onto their faces and not part of their faces. I think your baddie did a great job. Your news cast also looked great. Overall good job.

Charli
11-02-2009, 12:03 PM
I just watched the film and while it was creepy to see the dead-like class there, the entire story itself I found confusing. The motives, the story itself, it was difficult to follow and the ending I also didn't get and why the Mona Lisa? Why not some other painting?

Things just were a tad confusing.

jasonthewho
11-03-2009, 02:05 AM
There were some very nice elements in this: cinematography, make-up, special effects... The biggest problem for me is the storytelling. Important moments need to be emphasized and shown from the right perspective.

For instance, when the guy walks into the room, sees the zombie people, and turns and runs - we see all this from across the room from him. We need to be in his face, in a closeup, seeing his reaction. Then we spend far too much time watching the zombies file out of the room, when the focus should be on the guy trying to escape, with the occasional shot of the zombies getting closer. Also on a logic point, he tries to get back into the elevator (which looks like a closet?) but he never tries the door to his left.

Anyway, I definitely think your films are improving, but I want you to constantly remind yourself to make sure you are telling the story in a clear, effective way.

Michael Anthony Horrigan
11-03-2009, 07:14 AM
I just watched the film and while it was creepy to see the dead-like class there, the entire story itself I found confusing. The motives, the story itself, it was difficult to follow and the ending I also didn't get and why the Mona Lisa? Why not some other painting?

Things just were a tad confusing.
I believe she was Mina Lisa, or is now. Like her soul was trapped in the painting.
She begins to step through the picture and then looks quite different at the end of the film.

Maybe Alex will expound on this.

MAH

ramsaur
11-03-2009, 01:00 PM
There were some very nice elements in this: cinematography, make-up, special effects... The biggest problem for me is the storytelling. Important moments need to be emphasized and shown from the right perspective.

For instance, when the guy walks into the room, sees the zombie people, and turns and runs - we see all this from across the room from him. We need to be in his face, in a closeup, seeing his reaction. Then we spend far too much time watching the zombies file out of the room, when the focus should be on the guy trying to escape, with the occasional shot of the zombies getting closer. Also on a logic point, he tries to get back into the elevator (which looks like a closet?) but he never tries the door to his left.

Anyway, I definitely think your films are improving, but I want you to constantly remind yourself to make sure you are telling the story in a clear, effective way.

You know, I never thought about that. Good thinking. Might have to include that in our reshoots or just choose from a different angle when back in editing. Thanks for the feedback!


I believe she was Mina Lisa, or is now. Like her soul was trapped in the painting.
She begins to step through the picture and then looks quite different at the end of the film.

Maybe Alex will expound on this.

MAH

Hey MAH, yes you are right about that. And right about Alex expounding on this. We're both collecting notes for re writes then re shoots to make it all understandable so I can send it to other film festivals. And possible a longer 30-40 min version but nothing for sure on that right now.

Chad_from_Chad
11-03-2009, 04:58 PM
I don't know where to really begin. I really liked the CGI effects you did, thought they looked cool, but completely unnecessary. You did a great job blocking the shots, but the framing was plane bad in every scene. I liked the music. Like you've already said story-wise, you want to rewrite and reshoot a lot of stuff. One suggestion, for the news live shot at the end, it needs to be more like something a news person would say in real life, nothing about high profile security, and they would definitely pronounce The Louvre (Loov) correctly. All in all, I really look forward to seeing more from you. Just try to find an equal balance of style and substance.

Rodney V. Smith
11-03-2009, 06:27 PM
Ramsaur, you once again over-extended yourself. Lack of focus leads to a film that doesn't know what it's supposed to be. This was a very confusing film and it had a lot of extraneous stuff that was never needed.

I kept waiting for some kind of explanation on the "future tech", maybe even a reason why it was so important. Quick answer is that it wasn't. It played no part in the story and as it is became a crutch and then just annoying. Like you were just showing off a cool effect you just discovered. Yes you can do those things, but the big question you must always pose is: HOW do they serve the story.

Story comes first and this was muddled. I actually expected better from a script by Alex Whitmer and that your interpretation of the script would do justice. You're talented and you can pull a production together, so kudos to you, but it only goes so far. Serious lack of attention was placed on the story and how all of the elements come together, but it started with how you introduced us to the story and the characters.

Let me explain: We meet a character who goes us stairs and is beset by a bunch of weird zombie people. They kill him.

This is the end of the story. It does not continue past this point. The guy you just introduced us to, our AVATAR into this world, is DEAD.

Instead what he have is transference of story to the villain of the piece... and there is no reason to make this transference. There is no relationship between the characters except that he was delivering a package. There is nothing at stake, nothing to invest in. All that is left is for us to watch these weird people walk around in single file, have a heart ripped out of a chest... and then a HEIST???

:-|

Seriously dude. I have to give you both barrels on this one. You could have focused on story development. Spotted all of these problems early on and worked with Alex to make a more shootable script. Something that was actually clever instead of just trying so hard and failing on all levels.

Yes you had some cool shots, but your composition was ALL OVER the place. You were missing closeups and reaction shots.. the visual elements required to pull a complex piece off. All of this could have been tackled in your development phase, but you barely spent time there so you didn;t know the WHY of the shot, the IMPACT of the scene... the subtext was missing.. and it was because of how you shot it.

Iif you want a good example of character transference, watch "Serenity" by Joss Whedon. The movie starts with River Tam and it is clearly on her and about her, but then the movie needed to be handed off to Captain Reynolds. That was handled in a subtle manner in just two lines of dialog and a single shot that allowed us to understand the importance of the new character coming in.

They're talking about a heist:
Mal: I hope you understand your part in this?
River: Do you?
And she walks off screen leaving us with Mal in the foreground... and we get it completely. It's subtext.

I'm not even going to talk about the Mona Lisa or any of the rest of it beyond where our Avatar is dead. The movie ended there. Period.

Listen to us when we say this: focus on one movie at a time. You shot three and every single one is flawed. This one could have been your masterpiece.... YOUR Mona Lisa.

It isn't.

Blaine
11-03-2009, 08:53 PM
Let me start by saying I liked this one more than anything you've done in the past. You've come a long way.

That said, this one started with what I thought was a great concept. Zombies being indoctrinated and served up the flesh of an unwitting delivery boy. If you had stopped with that, I'd have been fine with it. BUT, it went on to be some kind of caper to steal the Mona Lisa which was totally unnecessary and irrelevant even if the 'zombies' had been capable of pulling it off, which I doubt. This one went a "bridge too far."

Rodney V. Smith
11-03-2009, 10:00 PM
oh cruel irony. I repost the etiquette of criticism and I lay into Ramsaur like this. Yes, the above critique is harsh in areas and I'm sorry if I criticized Alex (the writer) too harshly.

I do stand by the critique as point in there are valid, but I do apologize for my harsh tone. Hopefully you are able to glean something from what I have said.

You did do quite a few things well and I must admit (as I shoul dhave before) that you have shown a HUGE growth in this film. The kind of growth that we've all been looking for. Better production quality, actual cinematic style beginning to emerge. Some nice things to see. You did avoid any major blocks of dialog so we don't see how you've grown directing your actors in emotional scenes (panic, fear, love all count), and the zombies have such a limited range of expression.

I'd like to see you tackle a piece with actual character and story development at some point, and really just step back and use everything you've learned to not make it good, but excellent.

ramsaur
11-03-2009, 10:10 PM
I really liked the CGI effects you did, thought they looked cool, but completely unnecessary.

Can you elaborate a little more? If it's because of it taking place in the future for some odd reason I'm working on that as well for the reshoots. But those vfx will stay. No need to waist something that took time from editors. But if you could elaborate more by what you mean of unnecessary for them.


Let me start by saying I liked this one more than anything you've done in the past. You've come a long way.

That said, this one started with what I thought was a great concept. Zombies being indoctrinated and served up the flesh of an unwitting delivery boy. If you had stopped with that, I'd have been fine with it. BUT, it went on to be some kind of caper to steal the Mona Lisa which was totally unnecessary and irrelevant even if the 'zombies' had been capable of pulling it off, which I doubt. This one went a "bridge too far."

Thanks Blaine. I do feel myself improving, just need to work more with the script before shooting it. I plan to show all of you improvement in the next fest :)

Shaun Patrick
11-04-2009, 08:08 AM
This is probably my "guilty pleasure" film from the fest. I really was entertained and the special effects were great. Yes, the story probably needs more development (and "The Louvre" was mis-pronounced) but you kept it moving. It was just fun to watch and you've definitely improved your visuals.

Kudos, ramsaur.

ZazaCast
11-05-2009, 09:44 AM
Although I was confused by the story I really enjoyed this. The score was excellent! I liked your VFX stuff too. Yes, there were a few thing that jumped out at me... the over mix could use a little tweaking, In the beginning when the delivery guy goes to the elevator the shots don't match colorwise and when Lisa rips out the guys heart (I think) and steps back, her hand is clear? Where's all the blood?

Great make-up, good camera work and an improvement over your last three films (including Thirst).

Focus on one film at a time and you'll be a contender in my opinion.
Congratulations to the whole cast & crew on a job well done!

ramsaur
11-05-2009, 02:06 PM
and steps back, her hand is clear? Where's all the blood?

Yea we shot it all backwards then I forgot about that. I noticed it when editing so when fixing I'll find some way to fix it.

Thanks for the critiques. One film coming up next fest :)

lawriejaffa
11-10-2009, 08:28 PM
Right, well Ramsaur...

First of i noticed you haven't responded to the criticism provided by Rodney? He wrote a virtual essay - you should mind to thank him even if you disagree with his point of view.

I found some elements i liked about this film was the concept of indoctrinated zombies, and there peculiar martial behaviour could be quite creepy and taken to the next level in a longer form project etc.

The character of the controller, and her depiction with CGI screen etc was cute, it seemed strangely unncessary but it was cute. Helped conjure a slightly futuristic world. The Mona Lisa element to the story was not very well expressed and i know Alex Whitmer to be too good a writer to lay the blame on script. So what happened? Did part of the film get scrapped to meet the 6min deadline?

A lot of time was wasted on the delivery boy, of course our lady has ordered lunch for her zombies, but that could have been achieved in almost half the time it took for him to get munched in the film.

There is i think here a distracted desire to achieve better production standards by you Ramsaur, in an attempt to show personally how you are growing and improving as a filmmaker. But remember this cannot come at the cost of storytelling - the time spent on cgi would have been better invested by ensuring that your storytelling of the script, was more coherent.

Its definately an improvement of your past works, but remember your storytelling is king, i feel it wasn't here.

ramsaur
11-10-2009, 09:54 PM
Right, well Ramsaur...

First of i noticed you haven't responded to the criticism provided by Rodney? He wrote a virtual essay - you should mind to thank him even if you disagree with his point of view.

I found some elements i liked about this film was the concept of indoctrinated zombies, and there peculiar martial behaviour could be quite creepy and taken to the next level in a longer form project etc.

The character of the controller, and her depiction with CGI screen etc was cute, it seemed strangely unncessary but it was cute. Helped conjure a slightly futuristic world. The Mona Lisa element to the story was not very well expressed and i know Alex Whitmer to be too good a writer to lay the blame on script. So what happened? Did part of the film get scrapped to meet the 6min deadline?

A lot of time was wasted on the delivery boy, of course our lady has ordered lunch for her zombies, but that could have been achieved in almost half the time it took for him to get munched in the film.

There is i think here a distracted desire to achieve better production standards by you Ramsaur, in an attempt to show personally how you are growing and improving as a filmmaker. But remember this cannot come at the cost of storytelling - the time spent on cgi would have been better invested by ensuring that your storytelling of the script, was more coherent.

Its definately an improvement of your past works, but remember your storytelling is king, i feel it wasn't here.

I PM'd Rodney.

The confusions were also in the script, so it was my fault to take control of why this and this was happening and going on. I missed that. So we're working on it to get all the answers out so it'll all be explained with no questions to have a good film. As well as fixing some edits.

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.