View Full Version : Best HD Camera For under A grand!

09-15-2009, 04:52 AM
Iam after a hd video camera for under a grand.
i dont care if its tape or card based because i will be capturing either from the hdmi port or the componant port via black magic.
I want manual everything and because iam in pal land 25p would be nice :-)
so would zerbra stripes.
and adjustble sound level would be great.

the hv30 was a prime contender, but after learning the short comming of the
camera i thought i would look else where.

so what iam thing of is getting the
panasonic hdc-TM300



09-17-2009, 04:57 AM
Does any one have any thoughts?
Would most appreciate it.

09-19-2009, 12:22 AM
I would go with the Canon. Camcorders without cinemode shoot very harsh skin tones and any blemish will be magnified badly due to lower latitude which causes harsh contrast on the face often. I switched between the regular modes and cinemode on a face under typical tungsten lighting and the regular modes looked so brutal if someone is having a bad skin day even when in person it doesn't look very bad at all in person; the camera will exaggerate it badly. The camera's lower latitude without a cinemode (for film like gamma which improves dynamic range) will multiply the harshness because it will see much lower dynamic range compared to your eyes.

The cinemode increase the dynamic range and makes it much more flattering to a person's face, not to mention giving you more detail in the highlights and shadows. Ideal for good post manipulation.

That's just me though. I won't use a camcorder without cinemode when it comes to shooting people. It can be very unflattering and sometimes brutal. Cinemode is a bit softer, but it still looks great.

It's not manual everything, but it can be tricked into locking into different apertures at low gain settings if you read the forum on how to do it.

09-19-2009, 02:52 AM
Thanks Skital for your reply dude, as far as iam aware the panasonic hdc-TM300 has a cine mode feature. the reason i am leaning more towards that camera is because to seems to offer more for your buck. especially if you aint interested in its native shooting format.

09-23-2009, 10:08 PM
Go with the Canon.

09-24-2009, 12:14 AM
2xHF10=1 grand, refurbished. Multicam!

09-24-2009, 04:49 AM
I see what every one is leaning towards the canon`s, but no one has given me a definative reason as to why?
i know the cmos is slightly larger on the canon than the panny, however the panny is 3 cmos, better in low light, and has every manual feature under the sun.

09-24-2009, 07:13 AM
the pentax k-x looks pretty nice. 24p 720p DSLR. Would blow the socks off the image of any little camcorder out there.

09-24-2009, 08:49 AM
The fact is that the Canon HV30 does not meet the specifications for full high definition. The Sanyo HD2000 on the otherhand outputs full HD 1920x1080p at 60 frames per second.

09-24-2009, 01:50 PM
Remember i will be taking the hdmi output from the panny and ingesting through an intesity card!

as for the Sanyo HD2000 you need to use a docking station to get acsess to the hdmi port.

and i dfont think the pentax even has a hdmi port so for my needs its usless.

09-24-2009, 02:10 PM
The fact is that the Canon HV30 does not meet the specifications for full high definition.

The TM300/HS300 and all the Canon AVCHD cams record 24p over 60i. The HV40 records native 24p. The Canons have larger sensor, built-in ND filter and better image overall. "Two HF10s - multicam" is a great suggestion. These last year's cams are in fact better than current ones in every respect but resolution at good light. Still, 700+ lines is good enough, and is more than any pixel-shifted Panasonic delivers.

09-24-2009, 04:40 PM
Hi cranky
i live in pal land so what does that tranlate to?
secondly if using blackmagic card it can only ingest 1080i
it wount do 1080p
so that has to be done in post.

09-24-2009, 04:50 PM
If you live in 50Hz land than you are in luck.

1) No problems with 24p pulldown.
2) You can shoot 25p-over-50i, ingest via Blackmagic and process the video as progressive (the NLE will process both fields as one frame). Simplicity itself. AFAIK, you will still have to deal with interlaced chroma.

09-25-2009, 02:38 AM
if you are capturing 8bit 4.2.2 would you still have an issue with interlaced chroma?
i dontt see why everyone over the water dont just jump to shooting uk pal mode so you wount need to do all this pull down stuff :-)

09-25-2009, 08:32 AM
The Sanyo HD2000 is the only camera that has full high definition progressive at 60 frames per second. Even if you are into 24p a 60p capability means overcranking capability for awesome slow motion.