More Dublinites, or Dubliners... Dublonians? Anyway Thanx Senior Bloom!!!

[Rakesh Jacob]

http://vimeo.com/6551436

[squig]

I don't see anything to complain about......but I'm sure the peepers will find something, meanwhile I'll be out making films.

[grifter09]

too many dubs on screen these days... at least there's music over the accents.

[Zak Forsman]

too much noise in the letterbox bars. no sale. </ sarcasm>

[Rakesh Jacob]

too much noise in the letterbox bars. no sale. </ sarcasm>
Lol

At 1:42 was that Nikon breaking out in a cold sweat in front of the 7D :)

At 0:33 the shot of the yellow jacket or whatever flying into focus is one of the sexiest shots I've seen in a long time (no insectophile jokes please, I don't even know how that would work)

[Zak Forsman]

also, i don't like that they looped Elliot Smith tracks into the AGC. talk about crippled audio!!!

[squig]

Just shot my first 24hr short with the MKII (actually my first short full stop). I was DP, only blew one shot......I blame the camera it's a flawed DSLR. I'll post it in about a week once I sync all my boomed H4n audio, the wind and AGC destroyed the MKII sound.

I think I like this bloomin footage more than anything he ever shot with the MKII.

[Rakesh Jacob]

Just shot my first 24hr short with the MKII (actually my first short full stop). I was DP, only blew one shot......I blame the camera it's a flawed DSLR. I'll post it in about a week once I sync all my boomed H4n audio, the wind and AGC destroyed the MKII sound.

I think I like this bloomin footage more than anything he ever shot with the MKII.

Yeah it is good, now go and finish editing I wanna see what you did!!! :thumbup:

[Rakesh Jacob]

also, i don't like that they looped elliot smith tracks into the agc. Talk about crippled audio!!!

ouch! Lol

[Mattykins]

too much noise in the letterbox bars. no sale. </ sarcasm>

Exactly. This camera could never be used in a production environment. Wait for the scarlet.

[squig]

Exactly. This camera could never be used in a production environment. Wait for the scarlet.

I might be dead by then.

Yeah just look at the form factor. The cine students at school shot their 24hr short with a JVC camera and the battery on it was the size and weight of the MKII.

[NoxNoctus]

The shot with the Yellowjacket needs a shallower DOF. I can see entirely too much Yellowjacket.

[Peter J. DeCrescenzo]

also, i don't like that they looped Elliot Smith tracks into the AGC. talk about crippled audio!!!

Yes, LOL! :beer:

[Zim]

it is very good. Even for someone not paying attention I can see it is very good.

But lets see some footage with a cheaper lens or my Nikon lenses on one?

[Eddy Robinson]

Then you'll just be learning about the lens, not the camera. You can always manage with lenses...buy cheap ones, rent expensive, for example.

Meantime, thanks for more footage Philip & co. I've been having a lot of fun grading this stuff all week, this looks like another good file to play with...and after seeing the raw files from the night shoot, it's nice to know there's even more detail in there...I this one is less compressed than DP, too. Lovely stuff!

[Uwe Lansing]

This footage looks extremely clean to me - very good...

[Jean Dantes]

Wow. The 7D is f**king amazing. Beautiful! Thanks Philip!!

[USLatin]

Wow, some really stunning shots in there. Many of them. Thanks for posting it.

Jean, just remember that the camera doesn't do everything.

Does he always transcode to ProRes?

[Jean Dantes]

Wow, some really stunning shots in there. Many of them. Thanks for posting it.

Jean, just remember that the camera doesn't do everything.

Does he always transcode to ProRes?

It does enough for what I need. My main priority is music-videos. And if I ever wish to shoot a short film, I will record audio seperately. Considering I will be going from SD miniDV handycams to a Canon 7D, I am over the moon with the 7D's performance.

[USLatin]

Gotcha, but I meant to say that the camera won't shoot amazing shots by itself. :)

About the audio though, since you brought it up, it might not be amazing, but with a nice preamp and a good mic you should be able to get decent audio.

[PaPa]

Very cool! Took the liberty of checking out the zacuto video blog, freaking hilarious dude.

Yeah, the skewing is still quite present with that 35mm lens, which is what again, roughly equivalent to a 56mm? Mind you, it was being moved quite forcefully so im sure anything slower could easily minimized the skewing. Woulnd't really call it Jello though.

Very excited to get this cam.

[mhood]

Yeah, the skewing is still quite present with that 35mm lens

He was really whipping it around though. I was struck by how much it looked like typical ENG "pull it wide and get in their face" footage (only much much much cleaner). I wonder what rig was being used? I saw the one shot of someone just hand holding a naked 7D. I wonder how that works out....

[Zim]

the part when the guy is getting make up or something you can see the guy in the mirror with the 7D. It looks like he is just holding it. No rigs.

[Zim]

We have seen that with the D300s. Great pro video but not so good video from others.


Sure, it looks good when a good cinematographer uses it. Let's see some footage from an epileptic four year-old who's blind in one eye. Then we'll know.

[xbourque]

the part when the guy is getting make up or something you can see the guy in the mirror with the 7D. It looks like he is just holding it. No rigs.

They are in the *Zacuto head office*.

Look again. :-)

You can see the cameraman's pinky wrap around some metal tubing at 4:41. (Zacuto Tactical Shooter maybe?)

In other news: "Bob Primes" declared most awesome name ever for a Director of Photography.

[Rakesh Jacob]

Sure, it looks good when a good cinematographer uses it. Let's see some footage from an epileptic four year-old who's blind in one eye. Then we'll know.

O_o ummmmm ok, OR you could just dip your hands in ice water for 20 minutes first, OR you could slam your hand in a door, OR hit record and then lay on your back and use your feet, OR smash your finger tips with a ball peen hammer first, OR balance on one foot while juggling the camera with a bowling pin and bowling ball, OR video tape a fly being chased by a cat... I'm sure there are many ways that don't involve the hypothetical misuse of imaginary disabled children :grin:

[John Caballero]

Sure, it looks good when a good cinematographer uses it. Let's see some footage from an epileptic four year-old who's blind in one eye. Then we'll know.

Then we will now that epileptic four-year old one eye little fellow, God protect him, should not be getting this cam. A camera at this level IS for professionals. If the person isn't a pro and is not going to take full advantage of is capabilities then he should go and get a point and shoot. He would be doing himself a favor. In reality if you are a pro, or can at least function some of the time as one, you can get good looking footage from any camera. But if the person is just pretending, or a wannabe, thats another story.

[Zim]

You have a sharp eye. Something there for sure.


They are in the *Zacuto head office*.

Look again. :-)

You can see the cameraman's pinky wrap around some metal tubing at 4:41. (Zacuto Tactical Shooter maybe?)

In other news: "Bob Primes" declared most awesome name ever for a Director of Photography.

[mhood]

They are in the *Zacuto head office*.

That's why I asked. You're probably right...the gun stock is hidden maybe...but the zgrip handle isn't there for sure.

[Kegan]

Thanks again Phillip! Excellent work all around.

Kegan

[Tim Joy]

The zacuto office shots are the most revealing for the camera, IMO. That's the video that really sold it for me.
I think this will be a GH1 killer, especially for someone like me with a ppc mac. The workflow will be 20x's faster and easier. No mud that I can detect. Decent sound for docu stuff. Very little jello. Blown highlights seem to fall off nicer than the GH1. A lot less banding. Imagine the shot at 6:54 on the GH1.. red gradient BG in low light. It's wouldn't be pretty.

[PaPa]

I was really impressed with the footage while Bloom was getting his face put on, the hilights of the bulbs along the glass and the wall was very very reassuring. Cannot wait for this to arrive.

[squig]

Sure, it looks good when a good cinematographer uses it. Let's see some footage from an epileptic four year-old who's blind in one eye. Then we'll know.

yeah I wanna see what that Spielberg kid can do with it too.

[Rakesh Jacob]

yeah I wanna see what that Spielberg kid can do with it too.

ZING! :grin:

[griffin86]

Nice footage there- it'll be great to see more!
I can definitely appreciate the daytime shots to see how everything is taking shape- Well I guess I am sold- now if I can figure out solutions to the audio issues and other quagmires for the HDSLRs this will be cake for a cam;-)

Thanks!

[f64manray]

Nice footage there- it'll be great to see more!
I can definitely appreciate the daytime shots to see how everything is taking shape- Well I guess I am sold- now if I can figure out solutions to the audio issues and other quagmires for the HDSLRs this will be cake for a cam;-)

Thanks!

This might work for your audio solution from Beachtek

http://www.beachtek.com/dealers_images/DSC_7061.jpg

[Jean Dantes]

Woah f64manray! That looks insane! What's that worth!?

[f64manray]

Woah f64manray! That looks insane! What's that worth!?

It sells for $379.00 and defeats AGC. This is made for the 5DII, but I see no reason it wouldn't work for the 7D. It also comes with headphone jack to monitor sound being recorded. It will not monitor playback of course.

http://www.beachtek.com/dealers_images/DSC_7067.jpg

[griffin86]

It sells for $379.00 and defeats AGC. This is made for the 5DII, but I see no reason it wouldn't work for the 7D. It also comes with headphone jack to monitor sound being recorded. It will not monitor playback of course.

http://www.beachtek.com/dealers_images/DSC_7067.jpg

Hmmm seems like a godsend to me- monitoring audio during playback wouldn't necessarily come close as a dealbreaker if I can feel confident while monitoring whats coming in. It'll be like engineering a record old-school style where you pretty much had to commit to whatever was gonna go to tape (as there wasn't exactly any 'undo' button or whatever of any kind)- just be mindful of what is going in

This has the 3/8" screwhole below for baseplate/rods/tripod mounting underneath the audiobox i presume

[f64manray]

This has the 3/8" screwhole below for baseplate/rods/tripod mounting underneath the audiobox i presume

One would hope. This does have pins that line up to mount to the 5DII, so I'm thinking they may not line up with the 7D. The pins can be removed though for mounting to other gear. Just an FYI.

[Luis Caffesse]

IIt also comes with headphone jack to monitor sound being recorded.

Not quite - it comes iwht a headphone jack which will allow you to monitor the sound going through the beachtek... but keep in mind that's NOT what's being recorded...

the only way to monitor the recorded signal would be to monitor off the 5D itself, but unfortunately Canon (along with Panasonic) didn't seem to think a headphone jack was worth the effort to add to these cameras.

That may not seem like a big deal - but just last week I was shooting some tests with the 5D, partly to see if the audio was "good enough" for some of the stuff I shoot. I tested the Zoom, along with the Beachtek, as well as just the 5D on it's own....

Well, when it came to the beachtek, we shot about a minute of basic interview stuff (just tests)... some basic talking, etc, everything sounded great via the headphones.... go to play it back, and guess what? Static. Nothing but white noise. No audio had been recorded.

And yes, I'm certain that was user error... obviously some setting incorrect, something not hooked up right, any number of things could have gone wrong - but the point is exactly that - any number of things can go wrong at any moment, and if you're not monitoring the actual recorded signal you have no way of knowing because the audio coming out of the beachtek's headphone jack sounds great... EVEN IF the camera isn't recording anything.

Until these manufacturers decide to take their own claims seriously about the great audio recording capability of these cameras (read both Canon and Panasonics sites on the DSLRs and you'll see paragraphs devoted to the audio capabilities) and include the simplest of things (ie a headphone jack) onto the camera - the only way to confidently record and monitor audio is going to be some sort of dual system.

Anything other than monitoring the actual recorded signal is taking a serious risk.
Just my two cents.

[f64manray]

You could do a instant check just by playing back your video clip and listen to the 5DII speaker just to make sure you have audio. Also, there is a AV out jack. there must be a way to custom make a cable that will take the audio part of that signal and run it into a little head phone distribution amplifier, and then the director and the sound guy as well as a couple of other people could monitor play back.

[Luis Caffesse]

And perhaps in situations where you can recreate the scene (ie narrative) that would be okay... though in that case I can't imagine you'd want to use the 5D's recorded audio seeing as the quality from even something like the Zoom is bound to be superior to work with in post.... so why go out of your way to record lesser quality audio that you can't monitor while rolling?

...but I was thinking more of situations like interviews - which can't be easily recaptured (and can't be stopped periodically to check for audio).

Ironically those are the sorts of gigs where I think the 5D (and 7D, and GH1) would record audio that was 'good enough' for the product (corporate web stuff, industrials, etc).... but those are also the same situations where monitoring on playback alone wouldn't really cut it.

[Rakesh Jacob]

For narrative it's definitly a PITA but wow never considered what a dealbreaker the audio would be for Doc work.
Hopefully they'll have full fledged video cameras soon, I'm thinking 2nd quarter 2010.
Till then I only plan on doing a couple shorts and a bunch a music vids so here's hoping for a real video camera early next year:beer:

[squig]

I've heard the juicedlink is better. I've got a H4n but the juicedlink with magic lantern installed would be faster when it counts.

[xbourque]

You could do a instant check just by playing back your video clip and listen to the 5DII speaker just to make sure you have audio. Also, there is a AV out jack. there must be a way to custom make a cable that will take the audio part of that signal and run it into a little head phone distribution amplifier, and then the director and the sound guy as well as a couple of other people could monitor play back.


The stock 5D2 and 7D disable audio on the AV jack while recording and also disable the LCD when something is hooked up to the AV jack.

Magic Lantern on the 5D2 basically enables proper in-camera audio recording:

It turns the AGC off and sets levels according to a config file.
It routes the audio to the AV cable while recording (without disabling the LCD?)
It adds on-screen VU meters.

With such a setup, you should use a decent pre-amp, like a JuicedLink XLR adapter. I've read on forums that the signal being sent to the AV jack is a bit too low, so users get cheap Boostaroo headphone amps for easier monitoring.

So there you go, a plausible scenario for interviews and such... but it requires a bit of firmware magic... and we all know that sometimes it doesn't pan out the way we think it will...

-- X

[Rakesh Jacob]

Guess we just wait on the 7D firmware hack then...

[Zim]

I plan on buying one of these.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y22/zimvg/445854.jpg

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/445854-REG/Zoom_H4_H4_Mobile_Stereo_Field.html

[Michael Olsen]

What are the advantages of the Zoom H4 over the H4n?

[ydgmdlu]

Well, it's cheaper because it's the older model, but I honestly don't know why anyone would prefer not to spend a little bit more for much improved performance and design polish, unless he/she was really strapped for cash. The H4n is only $299 now.

[PaPa]

Since this thread has gone a little sound heavy, would anyone care to point me in the direction of understanding how we record with the H4n, through a mixer, making sure that we can sync the 23.976 video with the sound in post?

[Tim Joy]

The H4n will sync, no speed changes required. Just line it up in your 23.976 timeline.

[Zim]

What are the advantages of the Zoom H4 over the H4n?

here is a link to their website. But just more features I guess. Zak used one of these on his Model/Photographer short. I used music recorded from a H4 once. The sound guy plugged it into the sound board. Works great.

http://zoomh4.net/

[John Caballero]

Well, it's cheaper because it's the older model, but I honestly don't know why anyone would prefer not to spend a little bit more for much improved performance and design polish, unless he/she was really strapped for cash. The H4n is only $299 now.

Exactly. Spend the extra $ and get the H4N. It is worth it.

[Zim]

all I can say and I'm not a sound guy is I was recording a band at a show with my DVX100b. The loud music and moving around made the sound not good. The sound guy had his H4 plugged into the sound board. He emailed me the song I wanted to use and I just put it into the the FCP timeline. I just moved it around till I got it synced up. Since it was the same music from the video on my DVX it was really easy. It was so easy I plan on buying one. I'll probably just get the H4N



Since this thread has gone a little sound heavy, would anyone care to point me in the direction of understanding how we record with the H4n, through a mixer, making sure that we can sync the 23.976 video with the sound in post?

[ydgmdlu]

But just more features I guess.
I don't know how you got that idea, because only a moment's worth of research would tell you that the H4n is the replacement for the H4 and offers significant improvements in usability and sound quality. For instance, this page was at the top of a Google search that I just did to find a comparison between the two models: http://www.bradlinder.net/2009/03/testing-zoom-h4-h4n-and-sony-pcm-d50.html

[f64manray]

Does the H4N sync up with the 30P of the 5DII in editing pretty well ?

[Tim Joy]

Does the H4N sync up with the 30P of the 5DII in editing pretty well ?

Only if you conform the video to 29.97 first.

[f64manray]

Only if you conform the video to 29.97 first.

So do you need to select 29.97 for the 5DII or 23.976 for the 7D on the H4N before you record with it? Sorry, but I've never dealt with this syncing stuff before. Thanks

[Tim Joy]

The 5d records at 30.000 only, I believe, so a video conform will always be necessary, (need to conform for NTSC playback anyway) .

The 7d only records at 23.976, 29.97, 59.9x, so it will sync with the H4n straight out of the box at any frame rate.

EDIT: The H4n only records at the 29.97/ 23.976 SPEED, (not frame rate), so it will sync with anything running at those speeds.

[PaPa]

sweet.

[Uwe Lansing]

The 5d records at 30.000 only, I believe, so a video conform will always be necessar...
........
EDIT: The H4n only records at the 29.97/ 23.976 SPEED, (not frame rate), so it will sync with anything running at those speeds.


What about pal => 25p, 50p?

[Everts]

Im sold Im getting this cam and the same lens PB used & IM looking at the 70-200mm as well , but I'll asked for more info when the times come.
Cause Im Mr brokemon right now !

Nice work PB , loose the vignette next time !

[Eddy Robinson]

EDIT: The H4n only records at the 29.97/ 23.976 SPEED, (not frame rate), so it will sync with anything running at those speeds.

Just FYI, all audio recorders (not just the zoom) record at a speed indicated by the sample rate - typically 48Khz. The frame rate is just metadata. The only exceptions are on pro recorders with a pulldown option, where the record or playback sample is modified by +/- 0.01%. You would engage this (down) if you knew the final output was going to be film or if you were doing playback for a music video (up). But generally the picture frame rate is not baked into the audio itself in any way.

This only matters if you need to maintain separate workflows for film and video, where the theatrical 24fps but the video frame rate is 23.976. In general you should set everything - camera, audio recorder, NLE - to 23.976 and then forget about it. If you are lucky enough to make a film which is sold commercially the distributor will pay for the conversion.

None of this is an issue for people in PAL-land, where 25fps means 25fps.

[Michael Olsen]

None of this is an issue for people in PAL-land, where 25fps means 25fps.

Man! They have the metric system, too. It's just not fair.

[Cranky]

Wow. The 7D is f**king amazing. Beautiful!
As amazing as film?

[f64manray]

Just FYI, all audio recorders (not just the zoom) record at a speed indicated by the sample rate - typically 48Khz. The frame rate is just metadata. The only exceptions are on pro recorders with a pulldown option, where the record or playback sample is modified by +/- 0.01%. You would engage this (down) if you knew the final output was going to be film or if you were doing playback for a music video (up). But generally the picture frame rate is not baked into the audio itself in any way.

This only matters if you need to maintain separate workflows for film and video, where the theatrical 24fps but the video frame rate is 23.976. In general you should set everything - camera, audio recorder, NLE - to 23.976 and then forget about it. If you are lucky enough to make a film which is sold commercially the distributor will pay for the conversion.

None of this is an issue for people in PAL-land, where 25fps means 25fps.

Sorry I'm a bit thick. I've done a bit of recording, but I've never run into a recorder where I've noticed that I could select 23.976 or a 29.97 setting, but then again I've never had to look for it. So just to be clear, the zoom H4N will let you select 23.976 or 29.97 recording speed? ...and then select 24bit 48 KHZ and I'm good to go right?


Also, when doing a music video, can I just put the redbook 44.1 16 bit CD track on the time line and have it sync up right after having the artist lip sync to it while filming. Thanks ....also thanks Tim

[Tim Joy]

Just FYI, all audio recorders (not just the zoom) record at a speed indicated by the sample rate - typically 48Khz. The frame rate is just metadata. The only exceptions are on pro recorders with a pulldown option, where the record or playback sample is modified by +/- 0.01%. You would engage this (down) if you knew the final output was going to be film or if you were doing playback for a music video (up). But generally the picture frame rate is not baked into the audio itself in any way.

This only matters if you need to maintain separate workflows for film and video, where the theatrical 24fps but the video frame rate is 23.976. In general you should set everything - camera, audio recorder, NLE - to 23.976 and then forget about it. If you are lucky enough to make a film which is sold commercially the distributor will pay for the conversion.

None of this is an issue for people in PAL-land, where 25fps means 25fps.

I'm only talking about the H4n, and from testing and my background, I'll te it will sync with any video cam that records at frame rates of 29.97, 23.976... etc. The Zoom does not have an adjustment to switch from 29.97 to 23.976 or any other frame rate, and I believe, although haven't tested anything other than 48k, that it does not matter what sample rate you record at.


What about pal => 25p, 50p?
Hmm. Possibly the european version of the Zoom will sync out the the box, but if it doesn't, you would probably just conform the audio file from 29.97 to 30.000. Don't hold me to that. Best guess.


Sorry I'm a bit thick. I've done a bit of recording, but I've never run into a recorder where I've noticed that I could select 23.976 or a 29.97 setting, but then again I've never had to look for it. So just to be clear, the zoom H4N will let you select 23.976 or 29.97 recording speed? ...and then select 24bit 48 KHZ and I'm good to go right?


Also, when doing a music video, can I just put the redbook 44.1 16 bit CD track on the time line and have it sync up right after having the artist lip sync to it while filming. Thanks ....also thanks Tim

No adjustments for frame rate on the H4n. Yes, 24bit 48k and you're good to go.
The 44.1 music... I would need to test that, but I think it would sync up right.

What thread was this again?? :grin::grin::Drogar-Evil(DBG):

[Ian-T]

I keep reading or hearing about the zoom not syncing properly with recorded video and I always found that to be strange. There shouldn't be any reason whatsoever for a device like the zoom to slide off course when playing back UNLESS of course either the zoom or the camera itself PLAYS BACK at a DIFFERENT speed than it recorded ( that to me is some sort of manufacturing defect). I also believe that if you change the sample rate it can also possibly affect playback. For example...if something recorded in 24 bits but played back in 16 bits then there might be a slight shift (Might). IMHO

[ydgmdlu]

Yes, that does sound rather nonsensical... If you record exactly ten minutes and 21 seconds of video, along with exactly ten minutes and 21 seconds of audio, then they should sync properly, regardless of the frame rate or sample rate, unless they change during playback or editing.

[Eddy Robinson]

Also, when doing a music video, can I just put the redbook 44.1 16 bit CD track on the time line and have it sync up right after having the artist lip sync to it while filming. Thanks ....also thanks Tim

If you're shooting video to output video, yeah. If you were shooting the music video on film (which was the case for any pro work until quite recently), then the conversion to video would throw the lip sync off slightly by the end of each take.

In those cases what (used to) do was get a copy of the song on DAT and play it back 0.01% faster than normal during shooting, then use the normal speed audio during editing, because the image playback gets slowed down by the same amount during telecine.

There's an exhaustively complex explanation here (http://www.philrees.co.uk/articles/timecode.htm); the short explanation is that back in 1953 the broadcast frequencies in the US were tweaked slightly to make color TV transmission easier. This system has persisted so long that they've actually stuck with it for digital TV transmission to ensure backward compatibility with old equipment.

[Rakesh Jacob]

Sorry for the hit and run post, I don't know if any one touched on this 'cause I don't have time to back track. In the middle of negotiating with stupid suits over a budget that's allready too low, and I'm trying to decided should I call on my inner divine nature and work through it or summon some couRAGE and tell them to F---OFF!
Anyway the problem people have with 5D audio syncing is cause the 5D tags are misslabled as 30p isntead of 29.97 so the NLE plays it back too fast. If you slow down the 5D footage to 99.9% (I believe) it works out a lot better :)

[Michael Olsen]

Sorry, I'm daft.

If I record at 23.97 on the 7D and set the Zoom H4n to the 23.97 speed, will I need to do any adjustments in post to prevent slipping, or will everything line up real nicelike?

Again, apologies for my thick-headedness.

[Ian-T]

Ahhh...now that makes sense. Then this should be something that's unique to the 5Dll only and not most other cameras.


Anyway the problem people have with 5D audio syncing is cause the 5D tags are misslabled as 30p isntead of 29.97 so the NLE plays it back too fast. If you slow down the 5D footage to 99.9% (I believe) it works out a lot better :)

[Ian-T]

Sorry, I'm daft.

If I record at 23.97 on the 7D and set the Zoom H4n to the 23.97 speed, will I need to do any adjustments in post to prevent slipping, or will everything line up real nicelike?

Again, apologies for my thick-headedness.

It should work with no problem on 7D footage. It seems like from what Johhny Cola is saying that the 5Dll's frame rate is being incorrectly read within most NLE's. This is because it (Canon 5Dll) uses a non-standard frame rate that NLE's don't quite understand. So they pick the closest match which throws EVERYTHING off (no pun intended).

[Michael Olsen]

Ah, didn't read Mr. Cola's post. Thanks. :beer:

[xbourque]

Audio recorders don't have framerates people. (Well... unless you count 48kHz as a "framerate").

10 seconds of audio is 10 seconds of audio, no matter if the camera is 18fps, 132fps or any other fps.

Audio drifts appear when:

A) Video isn't played back at the same speed it was shot. (either because of a problem with camera/NLE or on purpose -- i.e overcrank/undercrank for slomo/speedup)
B) Audio isn't played back at the same speed it was recorded. (for instance if the clock in the audio recorder is off and records really at 47978Hz when it thinks it records 48000Hz)

-X

[Michael Olsen]

I clearly need to read up on audio so I can be a proper soundo.

[f64manray]

Sorry for the hit and run post, I don't know if any one touched on this 'cause I don't have time to back track. In the middle of negotiating with stupid suites over a budget that's allready too low, and I'm trying to decided should I call on my inner divine nature and work through it or summon some couRAGE and tell them to F---OFF!


What would Jesus do? Yeah.... I'm thinking jesus would pretty much tell them to F--- Off. Buddha on the other hand was a pussy, and would do it for free. I'm thinking somewhere in between would be good.


Thanks so much to Eddie and Tim for helping me with my stupid questions here in the Dublin audio sync thread!

[Eddy Robinson]

Sorry, I'm daft.

If I record at 23.97 on the 7D and set the Zoom H4n to the 23.97 speed, will I need to do any adjustments in post to prevent slipping, or will everything line up real nicelike?

Again, apologies for my thick-headedness.

No you won't, yes it will :-)

Don't apologize, everyone who is not a broadcast engineer hates this. Walter Murch has a multi-page rant about it in his book on editing.

[Rakesh Jacob]

Ah, didn't read Mr. Cola's post. Thanks. :beer:
WTF I said something usefull? That's out of character, but your welcome :grin:

[Rakesh Jacob]

What would Jesus do? Yeah.... I'm thinking jesus would pretty much tell them to F--- Off. Buddha on the other hand was a pussy, and would do it for free. I'm thinking somewhere in between would be good.


LOL You know this has a high probabillity of deletion, but thanx for the advice :grin:

[ydgmdlu]

Audio recorders don't have framerates people. (Well... unless you count 48kHz as a "framerate").

10 seconds of audio is 10 seconds of audio, no matter if the camera is 18fps, 132fps or any other fps.

Audio drifts appear when:

A) Video isn't played back at the same speed it was shot. (either because of a problem with camera/NLE or on purpose -- i.e overcrank/undercrank for slomo/speedup)
B) Audio isn't played back at the same speed it was recorded. (for instance if the clock in the audio recorder is off and records really at 47978Hz when it thinks it records 48000Hz)

-X
That's basically what I said. :)

[squig]

WTF I said something usefull?

see miracles do happen, good thing you joined that fundamentalist christian church.

how do you negotiate with a suite btw?

The question is are you mad enough to do it without them?

[NoxNoctus]

I love this forum, so very, very much :-D

[squig]

What would Jesus do? Yeah.... I'm thinking jesus would pretty much tell them to F--- Off. Buddha on the other hand was a pussy, and would do it for free. I'm thinking somewhere in between would be good.



You got copyright on that?

fookin brilliant, I wanna use it.

[Rakesh Jacob]

see miracles do happen, good thing you joined that fundamentalist christian church.

how do you negotiate with a suite btw?

The question is are you mad enough to do it without them?

HAHA I all ready fixed it, and before you brought it up, I take functionally illiterate to new heights! Or I could just blame it on the fact that I poo poo spell :grin:

EDIT: Damnit they caught the "C" word, oh well, it's my favorite typo joke, "can't" with a "u" instead of an "a" O_o

[f64manray]

You got copyright on that?

fookin brilliant, I wanna use it.

Yes, but I've put it in the public domain. Feel free to use it.