View Full Version : LOL at the disclaimer in the 7D user manual:
Rick Rock
09-08-2009, 10:50 AM
From page 260 of the Canon 7D manual:
"About MPEG-4 Licensing
This product is licensed under AT&T patents for the MPEG-4 standard and may be used for encoding MPEG-4 compliant video and/or decoding MPEG-4 compliant video that was encoded only (1) for a personal and non-commercial purpose or (2) by a video provider licensed under the AT&T patents to provide MPEG-4 compliant video. No license is granted or implied for any other use for MPEG-4 standard."
Planning on doing commercial work with your 7D? Better be ready to pay AT&T royalties! :grin:
Sttratos
09-08-2009, 06:48 PM
What?
sblfilms
09-08-2009, 06:57 PM
What?
You can not use the files off the camera in a commercial applicatin without paying royalties...but anything you edit is going to finish in a different codec so it is unimportant.
Eugenia Loli-Queru
09-08-2009, 11:21 PM
Yeah, but when you edit in workplace, you do use the off camera files in a commercial setting. Even if you pass them through Cineform, as long as you do it at work, it's still commercial usage.
This can be a problem! Canon needs to come off clean!
BTW, the Canon HF-S100 manual has the same disclaimer, but that's not a pro camera.
Eddy Robinson
09-08-2009, 11:39 PM
I'll add this to the list of things I don't care about. Number of people who've been sued for doing things with other cameras under similar licensing conditions: 0.
Rick Rock
09-09-2009, 09:29 AM
Right. Just thought I'd post this little gem from the manual.
And to any AT&T lawyers reading this...your house is on fire! Honest!
youngindiefilms
09-09-2009, 09:47 AM
How come you have a manual for a camera which hasn't been released yet? Do you have a sample cameras as well?
BTW... Canon can eat my pants!
Rick Rock
09-09-2009, 10:25 AM
Wish I had a sample camera. Then I'd stop answering my phone and it'd become my regular camera. JOKES.
Anyway, here's the link for the full manual on Canon's website. It's at the bottom of the guides and manuals section.
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=19356#DownloadDetailAct
Enjoy.
John Caballero
09-09-2009, 10:31 AM
this can be a problem! Canon needs to come off clean!
lol!
sblfilms
09-09-2009, 11:02 AM
This can be a problem! Canon needs to come off clean!
If you transcode to a different codec, you're fine. Stop being such a drama queen.
Tracey Lee
09-09-2009, 11:19 AM
LOL...great stuff guys! Just don't tell anyone what you used :)
Sttratos
09-09-2009, 03:45 PM
Still not sure I understand.
youngindiefilms
09-09-2009, 07:09 PM
If you transcode to a different codec, you're fine. Stop being such a drama queen.
Eugenia said it already, you always have to work with the original codec first in order to convert it. As long as the project you're working on is commercial then the transcoding belongs to the workflow and you're back to zero.
So what you wanna do is give all your files to a friend and let him/her privately and for free transcode it for you. After that you're fine :)
robmneilson
09-09-2009, 07:38 PM
I wonder why that is a clause in the instruction manual? Does it maybe have something to do with theater bootlegging or something?
Eugenia Loli-Queru
09-09-2009, 08:47 PM
No, it's just that Canon went cheap and didn't fully license the codec for us.
youngindiefilms
09-10-2009, 02:56 AM
No, it's just that Canon went cheap and didn't fully license the codec for us.
That's what I think, shame on Canon.
filmmaker's gang
09-10-2009, 03:39 AM
stop to joke or be silly.. these guys are losers.. who wants to identify the 7d now?
you don't need to say which device you used.. they will not guess either.. ehehehehe good bye 7d look.. btw me posted this on 35 film stock lol
sblfilms
09-10-2009, 08:14 AM
Canon can't license the codec for the commercial distribution of all of its users. I actually talked with somebody at ATT's IP office this morning and they in no uncertain terms said that as long as you aren't distributing in their codec, it's not an issue.
The issue is at what point does using their codec become commerce, and that is apparently at distribution.
youngindiefilms
09-10-2009, 07:35 PM
Well that's good news.
In anyway, it's not like this codec had anything to envy when you could simply output to good old h.264 from quicktime, the final online version. I don't even think you can output with the codec from the camera. It's like trying to export in AVCHD. Makes no sense.