Panasonic BTLH80 monitor and the 7D [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

robmneilson

09-06-2009, 10:36 AM

I'd like to be able to use my monitor when I get the 7D, but I'm having a very hard time trying to find the right cable to do so.

Is there a mini HDMI to BNC cable out there, or will I have to get HDMI type C to HDMI type A and then a BNC converter?

ryansheffer

09-06-2009, 01:50 PM

This has been suggested in other forums. I have no experience with it, but plan to buy one myself.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/478471-REG/AJA_HI5_Hi5_HD_SDI_SDI_to_HDMI.html

robmneilson

09-06-2009, 01:54 PM

Thanks...that would certainly work, but it would be great to find something that didn't need any external power!

ryansheffer

09-06-2009, 02:27 PM

Agreed.

Digihead

09-07-2009, 03:31 PM

I have the Hi5. It's for going the other way -- HDSDI to HDMI. I use it to go from my Kona card HDSDI out to my HDMI monitors. It does require 5v powersupply.

robmneilson

09-07-2009, 04:12 PM

What do you use for a power supply? Is there a small DVD player type battery that I could use to power the SDI box for the days worth of shooting? Its unfortunate I cant find an HDMI to Comp cable!

Digihead

09-12-2009, 01:04 PM

I use the Hi 5 in the studio , so I use a 110v adaptor. A device I have that could work for your application is the Convergent Design HD Connect MI. It can take HDMI and convert it to HDSDI. It's a bit of overkill, as it also adds rs422 control to firewire camcorders. This device also needs 5v supply as well.

robmneilson

10-08-2009, 02:34 PM

Anyone have any luck with this?

Tried my 7D with a mini HDMI to HDMI plug, and with an HDMI to component cable with no luck.

Is there a workaround that I would not need to power?

ydgmdlu

10-08-2009, 03:59 PM

Anyone have any luck with this?

Tried my 7D with a mini HDMI to HDMI plug, and with an HDMI to component cable with no luck.

Is there a workaround that I would not need to power?
You cannot use a simple HDMI to component cable because HDMI carries a digital signal, while component carries an analog signal. You need a special device that converts the digital signal to an analog one. These devices can be found for around $100 or more. One cheap and effective converter is the HDFury, which works without an external power supply.

robmneilson

10-08-2009, 04:08 PM

Thanks for the HD fury heads up...I will surely be springing for that!

robmneilson

10-08-2009, 04:11 PM

Small print on the site: It does not require external power supply to operate when used with PS3 and Xbox360 (and some other cases).

Do you have the HD Fury and can confirm that it doesnt need power?

ydgmdlu

10-08-2009, 04:24 PM

I can confirm it.

robmneilson

10-08-2009, 04:27 PM

Thanks so much!

mikkowilson

10-08-2009, 04:47 PM

Does (can) the HD Fury (2?) down-convert from HD HDMI to SD component?

- Mikko

smelni

10-13-2009, 11:31 AM

i am a little confused - it says that you need to choose a power option - how does this work without power?

Barry_Green

10-13-2009, 12:11 PM

I can confirm it.
Can you confirm that the HD Fury allows you to use an HDMI camera such as the 7D/GH1/HMC40 with an HD component monitor such as the BT-LH80?

It sounds like it should work, but before ordering I'd love to get a definitive confirmation.

Barry_Green

10-13-2009, 12:16 PM

Does (can) the HD Fury (2?) down-convert from HD HDMI to SD component?

- Mikko
The FAQs say no. What you input, is what it outputs.

Barry_Green

10-13-2009, 12:17 PM

i am a little confused - it says that you need to choose a power option - how does this work without power?
Apparently there are devices that output power over the HDMI cable, and the Fury taps into it. But, if you're using a longer cable, or your device doesn't output enough power, or you want optimum quality, you'd want the external power box.

smelni

10-13-2009, 12:20 PM

then the question is - does the 7d output power and enough of it

mcgeedigital

10-13-2009, 12:33 PM

I plan on using this bad boy to go from HDMI to HD-SDI on my LH-900:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=620830&is=REG

Barry_Green

10-13-2009, 12:33 PM

I found an ebay auction from monoprice, $135 including shipping for the HD Fury 2, so ... I'll let you know when it arrives. :thumbsup:

ydgmdlu

10-13-2009, 02:42 PM

Can you confirm that the HD Fury allows you to use an HDMI camera such as the 7D/GH1/HMC40 with an HD component monitor such as the BT-LH80?

It sounds like it should work, but before ordering I'd love to get a definitive confirmation.
Barry, sorry that I didn't answer this sooner; I didn't read this until just now. But you'll be pleased to know that the HDFury 2 does indeed work beautifully with the 7D, and it does not need an external power supply. I have one, which I bought for my 5D.

The original HDFury was confirmed to work by a regular user at cinema5D, but I don't have it, so I can't offer my confirmation.

Barry_Green

10-13-2009, 03:36 PM

Well, hot diggity! $139 beats $500, which is what I would have gotten (an HDMI->HD-SDI converter)...

ydgmdlu

10-13-2009, 03:40 PM

Well, hot diggity! $139 beats $500, which is what I would have gotten (an HDMI->HD-SDI converter)...
Yep. As I was in the process of replying to your post a little while ago, I took my HDFury 2 with component outputs attached, and I connected it to my 7D and my 67" DLP HDTV. Beautiful results!

bcheong

10-13-2009, 10:14 PM

I plan on using this bad boy to go from HDMI to HD-SDI on my LH-900:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=cart_accessories&A=details&Q=&sku=620830&is=REG

Let us know how this works! I was planning on using this in my setup as I have a Panasonic BTLH900 monitor w/ SDI and was going to get another HD-SDI onboard...

Barry_Green

10-30-2009, 10:50 PM

Okay, a follow-up on the HD Fury II: yes, it works with the BT-LH80, and the Canon 7D even supplies power to power it.

But not enough.

I had a weird experience with it where the brightness on the signal would drop by about 10%, making nothing hit the top of my waveform monitor. I tried a few different things, and then I just decided to try plugging in the HD Fury's power supply ($1.98 at monoprice.com). The power supply solved everything.

So -- while it's technically possible to sort of use the HD Fury II powered by the 7D/HDMI cable, I recommend against it. Just get the USB power supply and use it.

mikkowilson

11-02-2009, 12:28 PM

The FAQs say no. What you input, is what it outputs.

Barry, now that you have the unit, could you confirm this test for me?

Can the HD-Fury Down-convert from HDMI to SD (Preferably Composite or S/Video)?

- Mikko

Barry_Green

11-02-2009, 02:20 PM

No, the HD Fury doesn't do any sort of conversion. There are no options (other than a slider switch for YUV or RGB).

mikkowilson

11-02-2009, 02:28 PM

Thanks.

Dang.

Gotta say I understand though. A D/A converter isn't that complex. Down-conversion is.

- Mikko

pazuzu666

11-02-2009, 05:54 PM

I was thinking about buying a new monitor for my 7D , will this HDfury work on my
Marshall V-R70P-HDSDI ? Connecting it trough the tally input maybe ? ?

mikkowilson

11-02-2009, 06:01 PM

The Tally input is exactly that, a Tally input. It's not a video input.

- Mikko

pazuzu666

11-02-2009, 06:10 PM

Any way to get the HDfury output to work with the HDSDI input on the Marshall ?

Thanks

Barry_Green

11-02-2009, 06:17 PM

No, the HD Fury is an HDMI->component converter.

If you have an HD-SDI input, you'd want an HDMI->HDSDI converter, there are several of those on the market, usually around $500.

pazuzu666

11-02-2009, 06:21 PM

Thanks Barry .

SPZ

11-02-2009, 10:01 PM

Barry_Green

11-03-2009, 09:45 AM

If it outputs 5V DC (I think it's 5V DC) to the right-sized connector, sure. The power supply I have includes a USB-to-Fury connector, so a battery pack that has a USB port on it should definitely work, as long as it can output 5V.

smelni

11-03-2009, 11:23 AM

strange that you see the levels for me looked correct with clipping happening at 100 percent. i wonder why it worked for me and not you - were you using a fully charged battery in the 7d

Barry_Green

11-03-2009, 11:26 AM

At the beginning, yes -- but then as time went on, the levels dropped by a big chunk. So maybe the battery can sustain it when it's freshly charged, but after a while it just wasn't able to.

NewYorkLion

11-05-2009, 09:31 AM

I am so psyched i found this thread. once again, monoprice has saved me a bucket of money!

NewYorkLion

11-09-2009, 09:31 PM

ok, HDfury recieved. is it just me, or does it totally suck that the back lcd shuts off when you plug in an hdmi cable? is there a setting to turn that off? i hope so, as i can't find it.

also, is there a way to get just the picture up on the monitor, so it's no 4:3? if not....that also sucks big time.

if that's the case, whats the point of even monitoring with this thing!?

Barry_Green

11-09-2009, 09:37 PM

It's a $1700 consumer SLR. It doesn't do everything the way a video camera does it.

So no, the LCD shuts off and there's nothing you can do about it. And yes, it gives you a lame-ish subsection of the monitor.

NewYorkLion

11-09-2009, 09:48 PM

so weird....

oh well.

it's all good.

i think i'm going to send this HDfury thing back though, as without critical focus and proper color i have no use for an 8" monitor, i'd be better off buying a 13" consumer rig.

I'm wondering what people are using monitors for on this thing? playback for clients? monitoring low angle shots?

I'm really glad i didnt buy the backmagic!

bcheong

11-09-2009, 10:00 PM

How does the HDFury with component compare, sharpness and ability to focus, with the composite feed directly out of the camera? Given the monitor is the same.

ydgmdlu

11-09-2009, 10:02 PM

The component signal will be HD while the composite signal is SD. The larger the monitor, the greater the difference.

Sttratos

11-10-2009, 04:14 AM

I find that the best way to make sure your focus is spot on is to have a large monitor on set. I use a 24" and it's really easy to see focus. The task is to find a way to use both my 24" and a top mounted portable one for the cam operator at the same time. As passive splitter is not working well.

bcheong

11-10-2009, 04:04 PM

how well does component loop through (from an onboard to a director's monitor) work with the HDFury? I was going to explore that route - a Marshall or Ikan to my Panasonic BTLH900.