So I talked to the Canon rep at IFA in Berlin...

[Spartacus]

"Hey, so you guys still offer those tapebased XL cameras - anything new to look out for at IBC...?"
"I´m not aloud to talk about this."
"Not aloud because there´s sth in the oven...?"
"Well, you should definitely keep your eyes and ears open next week, but that´s all I´m going to say..."

:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

Tried out the 7D and have to say it´s a real nice cam. A real nice photocamera. No headphonejack, as most know by now, kills it anyway for me. Of course for music vids or a standard film workflow this may not be an issue at all...
Tried out the GH1. I´m sure i will see amazing stuff shot on it here, but this thing just doesn´t make me want to use it.
Tried out the D300s. Same as the 7D, really nice cam. But I´d still go for the Canon.
This all of course purely subjective.

But if this Canon rep didn´t just want to get rid of me, my hopes are up again.
If Canon delivers what I hope for, I´ll hopefully don´t have to make up my mind again between a photocamera with video or a HDcam with small chips...
We´ll see soon.

[Taylor Rudd]

I wonder how many hundreds (thousands?) of pre-orders will be cancelled if this thing is announced.

[f64manray]

I wonder how many hundreds (thousands?) of pre-orders will be cancelled if this thing is announced.

Yes, the specs sound incredibe.

[mhood]

What specs?

[Nicolas Christakis]

What specs?

I think f64manray was being ironic.

[f64manray]

What specs?

Yes, indeed. What specs?

[mhood]

Now you tell me...after I waste 30 minutes searching Canon rumors. :-)

[f64manray]

Now you tell me...after I waste 30 minutes searching Canon rumors. :-)

LOL ....sorry.

[Nik Manning]

Yes Please cancel your 7D preorder so I can move up in line. :) Whatever will be announced by the video side of canon will likely be over $4k but more likely $6k or more.

[OPHERBA]

we were waiting for Scarlet and might get a Scanon instead...

Johnnie

[Spartacus]

Guys,
I already said that the Canon rep maybe just wanted to get rid of me as fast as possible, because he was harrased all day by the same question.
Maybe this even is sth they are being tought, "always tell them to watch out for sth upcomming"...
I don´t know.

I´m scepticall myself, cause there hasn´t been much talk about the rumored highhopes-Canon lately. None to be precise.
Only good thing is: rumoring will be over pretty soon.
But my take is: show the prototype at IBC, deliver after NAB. (that´s a ryme!!!)
That`s how they did it with the XL-H1...

Generally a new Canon wouldn´t be very surprising, the timeframe fits production cycles and thanks to the 5D they are gaining A LOT of followers lately...

[Emanuel]

Yes Christian, I had the same information when I entered in touch with a Canon rep after the 7D surprise. Actually, as I had posted and they confirmed, there's 24p/25p on their DSLRs just 'cause there's something new on their video line to come.

[Taylor Rudd]

Now you tell me...after I waste 30 minutes searching Canon rumors. :-)

LOL.

I wasn't trying to stir any rumor mill. Just saying, if Canon releases the camera I've been dreaming of for the past 2 years (and they are in the best position to do so right now), then I - like many others - will stop trying to adapt these DSLRs for production work and buy a real camera. You're already going to spend that much to outfit a DSLR to work properly anyway, and it still won't have proper monitoring for the director's camp.

IF the camera we're all hoping for is announced, then there is less reason to go for a 7D. Simple as that.

[Spartacus]

Yes Christian, I had the same information when I entered in touch with a Canon rep after the 7D surprise. Actually, as I had posted and they confirmed, there's 24p/25p on their DSLRs just 'cause there's something new on their video line to come.

:beer: So we almost have a double confirmation now, Emanuel!

Vamos a ver...

[Rakesh Jacob]

JESUS CHRIST CANON! How much of my money are you trying to get?!!!!!

[Kholi]

Yes Christian, I had the same information when I entered in touch with a Canon rep after the 7D surprise. Actually, as I had posted and they confirmed, there's 24p/25p on their DSLRs just 'cause there's something new on their video line to come.


What? Seriously? But no rumors or information prior to an announcement in this day and age? Well, with two people reporting the same thing I'm curious now. Did they really say info in the next week?

[Emanuel]

I know nothing. Not even a clue about specs. Just an informal conversation about 24p/25p @ 7D -- a big surprise to me. I asked why?

He said, because we don't need to sell more XL-H1, XH-A1/G1, etc. There's something on the corner to come. When? IBC '09, I asked. Silence. Only vague considerations about the competitors aka RED. For sure, the manual controls was towards RED as Canon's advertising has shown to us. He laughed when I mentioned the Epic ref on their website on last June 1st.

A curious note, he was aware of Jon, former Canon now part of RED team.

[Justyn]

As Barry reported, people are willing to accept all of the limits of these DSLR because of the results.. but ergonomics, lack of real monitoring, lack of real audio, lack of zebras or other such exposure controls are a real drag. Whomever comes to the table with all of the benefits of a cinematic film style image, with all of the requirements that video people want... well then it's going to be some big sales. I forgot the model number but that new Sony HD that has the interchangable lens is a real interesting cam, until you shoot with it. So heavy... ergonomics are crap, layout is crap, I just really hate the sony line of camcorders including the EX1. Horrible for anything handheld and I know some people don't shoot that, but tha'ts not my universe.

yes... would someone please give us what we are wanting.. a bit of this.. a bit of that.. and I'm not waiting for Red. Those guys are harbingers of a future that never ever comes and when it does, it gets pushed back and back and back. That's what happens when someone isn't under authority and just can do whatever... Personally the more I wait for that cam, the more I'm not interested.... but till then I'm happy with the 150.. .still shoot a nice image and didn't break the bank. At the end of 2010 I'm shooting my feature so I hope that something catches my eye and I can buy 3 of them.... Still wouldn't be as expensive as shooting film and I'd own the babies when it's done.

[Adam J McKay]

There was a rumour a while back about an xl style canon with an apc sensor. Its on canon rumours somewhere.


Edit:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/03/new-video-camera-system/

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/05/more-video-camera-rumors-cr1/

[dadoboy]

I keep thinking of the majority of videographers out there for whom APS-C sized sensor may mean quite a bit of adjustment in terms of running and gunning. I can see how 1/3-2/3" cameras really can benefit the majority of non dramatic shooters out there - we here are a definitely a niche. It all depends on how well autofocus is implemented, and I'm sure that will take more time.

I'm very interested to see what Canon AND Panasonic show at IBC. Also Arri, etc.
For sure I'll be checking it out through various sources. It would be funny if both Canon and RED show prototypes.

[Spartacus]

There was a rumour a while back about an xl style canon with an apc sensor. Its on canon rumours somewhere.


Edit:

http://www.canonrumors.com/2009/05/more-video-camera-rumors-cr1/

Yup, but it has been quiet ever since...
And that´s at least different to new developements in the photo department, where rumors start pouring in about a month prior to a new release.
But that´s also of interest for a much bigger clientbase, compared to Canons video departement.

It just is the perfect time - let´s keep our fingers crossed!

[Dave Draper]

I want to see Canon bring out a professional / prosumer camera with either a FF sensor, or an APC variant, in an ENG form factor. Enough of this hand-held crap! I want something I can just chuck on my shoulder, if need be, without having to add a whole bunch of other (usually heavy) components in order to turn it into the camera it should have been in the first place. Come on, Canon!

DD.

[Emanuel]

I kept the idea that the 5D Mark II has been a market test to them.

[Adam J McKay]

I kept the idea that the 5D Mark II has been a market test to them.

That actually makes a lot of sense. They release the 5D MKII, rediculous amounts of people complain, so much so they bust out the firmware they probably already had, then people complain about frame rates, voila 7d. Now they I am sure they are aware of these forums, and the amount of chatter in the video world going about the 7D...

Video camera time?

[Emanuel]

There's also an open thread @ reduser.net, follow the link for more from my informal conversation last friday:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=34663

[entry]

That actually makes a lot of sense. They release the 5D MKII, rediculous amounts of people complain, so much so they bust out the firmware they probably already had, then people complain about frame rates, voila 7d. Now they I am sure they are aware of these forums, and the amount of chatter in the video world going about the 7D...

Video camera time?
That's why I'm skipping the 7D, it's not ready yet. The next HD DSLR will most likely have most things we want and I'm going to buy that.

[tnle2]

I've been thinking about Canon's next move and it seems to me they could really drop the hammer if they want to. Most of us just want the DSLR sensor packaged in a video camera form factor with the right controls. There's nothing hard or new about that--it's just mechanical design. The real question is does Canon want to take their business in this direction? They tend to be a conservative company so I use to think no way since this is a niche market with low volumes, but now it's beginning to look like they will. I agree they will go after the Scarlet market and will probably remain at 1080P.

Canon really does appear to be better positioned. Good grief, they make their own sensors and image processors! They enjoy huge economies of scale (unlike anyone else except maybe Sony) because these sensors are used in still photography. They probably make several hundred thousand of these chicklets. I'm surprised Canon hasn't registered the trademark "EOS Movie" since the future seems to be the EF mount. But they have started using the term HDSLR.

I just wonder what codec they will support and what video specific EF mount lenses they will make. Either way, it will be a lot more expensive than an HDSLR so the 7D will still serve a purpose.

[f64manray]

I'm very interested to see what Canon AND Panasonic show at IBC. Also Arri, etc.
For sure I'll be checking it out through various sources. It would be funny if both Canon and RED show prototypes.

I can hear Jannard laughing already.

[J Davis]

Speaking of JJ, Epic X is at IBC. No asic tho.
(sorry for being off topic)

[Kholi]

Wonder how many are gonna wanna pay the price for it. lol

[Taylor Rudd]

Wonder how many are gonna wanna pay the price for it. lol

I bet Kholi is first in line - though it'll be in the marketplace the following week :D

[scoemlek]

Its not the 7D what the Canon rep means. I think they are going to release a new fimware for 5D Mark II, which you can shot 24p finally.

[Everts]

I did a search first test footage is already up .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iAXC3VfvQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iAXC3VfvQk)

All I can say is wow !

[Rakesh Jacob]

I did a search first test footage is already up .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iAXC3VfvQk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iAXC3VfvQk)

All I can say is wow !

Dude there's a whole thread dedicated to this! :violin:

[Spartacus]

Its not the 7D what the Canon rep means. I think they are going to release a new fimware for 5D Mark II, which you can shot 24p finally.

No, I wasn´t asking about the 5/7D at all, I talked to the VIDEO rep, standing in front of the Canon XLH1.
I asked one of the photo reps about the 5D and she said an 5D 24/25p update wasn´t sceduled, but obviously comming soon...

[Everts]

Dude there's a whole thread dedicated to this! :violin:
made you look !

[bwwd]

I asked one of the photo reps about the 5D and she said an 5D 24/25p update wasn´t sceduled, but obviously comming soon...

So Canon rep told you that 24p is coming to 5D for sure but they dont know when ? Or he meant 7D as "24p update" ?

[axio]

it will be based in cmos chip or ccd? i say this because y hate rolling shutter effect. or can be cmos with global shutter? i don´t know this is possible or not.

[el presidente]

When there is a vacuum of information...rumour creeps in...i would just wait n see what happens. we dont know whether its an update to a camera or new camera or whatever...let alone a cmos or ccd chip camcorder.:grin:

[roxics]

When there is a vacuum of information...rumour creeps in...i would just wait n see what happens. we dont know whether its an update to a camera or new camera or whatever...let alone a cmos or ccd chip camcorder.:grin:

You mean it's not a 70mm polymer plasma imaging sensor with 263 megapixel resolution in an XL-H1 body for $50 bucks?? Someone on the internet is lying to me?

[el presidente]

could there be such a thing as.."WISHWARE"?

[Spartacus]

So Canon rep told you that 24p is coming to 5D for sure but they dont know when ? Or he meant 7D as "24p update" ?

For the 5D. But even if Canon decides not to, I bet this will be hacked in the near future...

Two more days till IBC starts, so an announcement could be due as early as tomorrow...
"Wishware"? Whatever, mate, but hell, I wouldn´t have bothered to post what the video rep said, if it wasn´t so close to find out:beer: