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tall_sided
06-18-2009, 09:07 PM
Hey everyone,
Just curious if anyone is aware of a way to input xlr-based mics into the GH1. I'm considering offloading my 2x Xh-a1's to get 2x GH1's for event and wedding projects as well as film-oriented projects. However, I can't afford to lose the ability to use my xlr microphones in order to get optimal sound. Any thoughts?

drk3p
06-18-2009, 09:23 PM
I'm thinking about getting the GH1, and I was just gona buy an external xlr recorder to hook uo my mic to.

Abstract Photog
06-18-2009, 09:43 PM
as of right now a Zoom H4n is your best bet.
theres the beachTek made for the 5D that in theory would work the same way
on the GH1. only problem is no one has confirmed whether the input is the same,
or whether there are any suitable adapters.

Martti Ekstrand
06-18-2009, 10:22 PM
Try look at the Hardware section first

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1659963&postcount=10

Abstract Photog
06-18-2009, 10:42 PM
Try look at the Hardware section first

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1659963&postcount=10
nice, i missed that. BeachTek it is!

rubberbandito
06-18-2009, 11:26 PM
H4n is too big, top heavy, for me. I'm mounting the little olympus ls10 on the hotshoe as a general directional mic and mounting the camera on the small Sign Video XLR pro which will mount to tripod keeping weight under cam, and plugging it into the mic input on the ls10. The sign video has 2 balanced xlr adapters and two mini jacks for lav and wireless.

Then sync up in post. The sound on the olly is incredible

Abstract Photog
06-19-2009, 12:03 AM
H4n is too big, top heavy, for me. I'm mounting the little olympus ls10 on the hotshoe as a general directional mic and mounting the camera on the small Sign Video XLR pro which will mount to tripod keeping weight under cam, and plugging it into the mic input on the ls10. The sign video has 2 balanced xlr adapters and two mini jacks for lav and wireless.

Then sync up in post. The sound on the olly is incredible

both those devices are gonna add up to be both more expensive
and heavier than the H4n. not to mention the extra wires your gonna
have running around. The Zoom handles both tasks (prob better)
than both those 2 devices combined.

Maybe its just personal taste, but Im not seeing the advantage.

rubberbandito
06-19-2009, 07:33 AM
both those devices are gonna add up to be both more expensive
and heavier than the H4n. not to mention the extra wires your gonna
have running around. The Zoom handles both tasks (prob better)
than both those 2 devices combined.

Maybe its just personal taste, but Im not seeing the advantage.

I thought alot about this. I'm doing run and gun stuff. in extreme mobility. If you have H4n you want to use it as a directional mic on top of the cam. Ok great. But then if you want to plug lav and wireless mics, as well as xlr mics, then you have all these wires on the top of the cam. Unless you want to put h4n on a belt, but then you need a directional mic on the hotshoe for run and gun stuff (I don't have a sound person).

So with the ls10, if I want to go shoot just with directional mic I pull it off tripod and run around with a really light unit on top with no wires (other then headphones... but the progress bars do a great job at accuracy anyway), and if i want to use more audio, back on tripod with xlr pro, plug in external mics down there, below the cam, not above.

Also, I already owned the xlr pro, so it was cheaper to buy the oly.

And.. most people are saying the xlr on the h4n is not great so what is the use there.

Lastly, I hardly ever use xlr, but when i do, its out of the bottom of the cam.

So now you have a highly mobile cam when you need it, and a bit more bulky when you need that. Imagine running around with the h4n as a directional mic, its too big I think.

But its all about how you are going to use it.

My biggest worry is syncing. Never have done much of that. I hope leaving the cam mic on will make it easier to sync up in post. then just delete the cam mic track after syncing.

My 2 cents

mhood
06-19-2009, 08:34 AM
I have an XLR-Pro and like it a lot but there's one thing I'm not following. I have to mount my quick release head plate to the bottom of the XLR-Pro after I mount the XLR-Pro to the bottom of my D90. How are you quickly getting your GH1 off the XLR-Pro? In my setup, I would have to keep the XLR-Pro attached to my camera to use the quick release plate.

Abstract Photog
06-19-2009, 10:41 AM
I thought alot about this. I'm doing run and gun stuff. in extreme mobility. If you have H4n you want to use it as a directional mic on top of the cam. Ok great. But then if you want to plug lav and wireless mics, as well as xlr mics, then you have all these wires on the top of the cam. Unless you want to put h4n on a belt, but then you need a directional mic on the hotshoe for run and gun stuff (I don't have a sound person).

So with the ls10, if I want to go shoot just with directional mic I pull it off tripod and run around with a really light unit on top with no wires (other then headphones... but the progress bars do a great job at accuracy anyway), and if i want to use more audio, back on tripod with xlr pro, plug in external mics down there, below the cam, not above.

Also, I already owned the xlr pro, so it was cheaper to buy the oly.

And.. most people are saying the xlr on the h4n is not great so what is the use there.

Lastly, I hardly ever use xlr, but when i do, its out of the bottom of the cam.

So now you have a highly mobile cam when you need it, and a bit more bulky when you need that. Imagine running around with the h4n as a directional mic, its too big I think.

But its all about how you are going to use it.

My biggest worry is syncing. Never have done much of that. I hope leaving the cam mic on will make it easier to sync up in post. then just delete the cam mic track after syncing.

My 2 cents

well, those are some good points...
i may have to consider your set up now as Ill also be doing a good amount of run and
gun work. i wasnt aware that the H4n's XLR inputs were under question...guess ill have
to do a little more research.

so you basically use the Olly as a shotgun mic? hows the range on that?


I have an XLR-Pro and like it a lot but there's one thing I'm not following. I have to mount my quick release head plate to the bottom of the XLR-Pro after I mount the XLR-Pro to the bottom of my D90. How are you quickly getting your GH1 off the XLR-Pro? In my setup, I would have to keep the XLR-Pro attached to my camera to use the quick release plate.
i believe he only uses the full set up for non-run and gun work that doesnt require a light camera

rubberbandito
06-19-2009, 11:09 AM
i have not used it yet as a shotgun mic yet, wating on my cam (other one is broke, waiting too long for the gh1). i got it a few days ago and testing it out. i think its going to work great. has a zoom setting to go from wide to narrow in case you want sounds just in front of you or all around. range is as good as h4n but only two tracks, not four, 44.1khz 16 bit up to 96khz 24 bit and also records in wma and mp3. has high and low senstivitiy and a low cut filter that takes out a little of the background noise. it is super sensative. the sound is simply incredible.

i was thinking of the tripod mount problem today but its simple. i use the manfrotto rc2 rapid connect system and have three of those. the fluid pan head mounts to tripod with quick connect on top, xlr pro mounts to that, a mini ball head with rc2 mounts to top of xlr pro. camera mounts to that. oly is mounted to this little thing that fits in the hotshoe but has a tripod thread on top. cost me $24.

i have a third rc2 on top of a monopod with a fluid pan head in base of monopod for run and gun stuff. so i can take off the cam from the tripod (and xlr pro stay there on the tripod) and stick the cam right onto the monopod with just the little oly up there.

i think its going to work well. i might even look into one of the bluetooth wireless ear phones to stick a little adapter into the ear output on the oly so i can go completely wireless sometimes. but really the meter on the oly seems just right and there is a blinking light to indicate peak.

mhood
06-19-2009, 12:27 PM
Well, that will defeat the level on your fluid head won't it? Actually, having the XLR-Pro mounted to the bottom of the camera doesn't really prevent it from going handheld. I do that all the time with my Camcorders...just pull the XLR feeds and pop the camera (with XLR-Pro) off the head...not a big deal actually.

Maybe this http://www.amazon.com/Manfrotto-323-Connect-Adapter-200PL-14/dp/B001ASU1QO/ref=pd_bxgy_p_text_b
on top of the XLR-Pro would eliminate the ball and preserve the head level.

rubberbandito
06-19-2009, 01:08 PM
Ok right so put it below fluid head. but ur right the xlr pro should be small enough to leave on cam and dimensions are probably a good fit also. It may even provide room to hold cam. Another post was a guy with bigger hands saying the cam was too small for his hands to hold.

rubberbandito
06-19-2009, 01:14 PM
Ooops I missed ur link and idea. Yea that would get around the problem of the ball head though the bubble level on tripod may be obscured by xlr pro down there

mhood
06-19-2009, 01:25 PM
It doesn't block the bubble on my 501.

tall_sided
06-19-2009, 06:19 PM
So here's a breakdown of the options that seem to be available for the GH1, but none have really been thoroughly tested with the GH1:

XLR-Pro = http://www.signvideo.com/xlr-pro_xlr_adapter-audio-mixer.htm

Zoom H4N = http://www.bradlinder.net/2009/03/zoom-h4n-review.html

tascam dr100 = http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/tascam_dr100_recorder_1205/

E-Mu Tracker Pre: http://www.emu.com/products/product....&product=17511

Juiced Link: http://www.juicedlink.com/index_file...dio_mixers.htm

Beacktek: http://www.beachtek.com/dxa5d.html

Any others I missed? I'm thinking if the beacktek works with the GH1, I'll probably go that route. However, does anyone know if the Tascam dr100 records four unique channels of audio like the Zoom H4N?

Also, does the Tascam dr100 maintain sync with video for long periods of time? Like 2 hours?

I keep reading that the Zoom H4N has really lousy xlr inputs with hiss. Anyone deal with this issue first hand?

tall_sided
06-19-2009, 06:43 PM
One more to add to the list:
Marantz PMD661 = http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/marantz-pmd661-review.html

Also, some interesting things to watch / read:
http://www.vimeo.com/4782593
http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/23/how-to-record-sound-with-the-canon-5dmk2/#more-3281

And this seems to be the only adapter that fits snuggly into the GH1, creating no hiss:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062470

mhood
06-19-2009, 07:56 PM
Roland Edirol HR9.

Ozpeter
06-20-2009, 12:03 AM
The forums to get end-user opinions on hand-held recorders is http://taperssection.com/index.php/board,11.0.html - though more from a rock concert recording perspective than for video.

sdhurley
06-20-2009, 05:41 AM
Reviews of Tascam DR100 not so hot.

I was sold on this unit and was intending to get it to compliment my GH1 but upon digging through blog posts and replies it appears it has some issues. Most significantly for our video purposes, sync lag, with one user reporting a 9 sec lag from the recording of onboard mic on his HV20 over 52 min. Yikes!

Other reviews took issues with it's bulk, and also recording quality.

looks like I will do what everyone else is doing and opt for H4N

Ozpeter
06-20-2009, 04:29 PM
...And the unofficial H4N user forum is here - http://www.2090.org/zoom/bbs/viewforum.php?f=15

bluesgeek
06-21-2009, 09:36 AM
My biggest worry is syncing. Never have done much of that. I hope leaving the cam mic on will make it easier to sync up in post. then just delete the cam mic track after syncing.

My 2 cents

PluralEyes... worry no more (http://www.singularsoftware.com/autosync/index.html)