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Martins Video
06-08-2009, 09:20 AM
Purpose:
Lots of people wanted to see some 300 footage and it was our first real outing with the camera.
We were not concerned with perfect camera settings.
Everyone has been screaming about their concern of noise and "rolling shutter" so we thought we'd put it to a very fast pace test.
all footage is as shot...EXCEPT...around in the middle where I did 360. I ramped that up 300% to match the music.
Squeezed to a 29Mb QT file


We basically took the camera out of the box with these settings.
720 60p, Shutter set @ 100, aperature was mainly @ 2.8 - 4.0, ND filter set on 3, Scene 6, matt box with a 4" x 4" Cir. polarizer, and shot mostly in Intra 100 & 50, focus was taped to infinity. There are a couple of DVCPRO HD clips in here also.

http://www.alphaomegadesign.com/parachute-test-web.mov

davideo.net
06-08-2009, 09:40 AM
Looks awesome to me! My opinion on the whole skew issue is that it's not an issue. You only see it if you're wildly panning, and even then only when you freeze frame and study it. I love my new 300...

Cees Mutsaers
06-08-2009, 09:43 AM
looks ok

why didn't you test the fast panning at 1080/24p where skew is most visible?



Purpose:
Lots of people wanted to see some 300 footage and it was our first real outing with the camera.
• We were not concerned with perfect camera settings.
• Everyone has been screaming about their concern of noise and "rolling shutter" so we thought we'd put it to a very fast pace test.
• all footage is as shot...EXCEPT...around in the middle where I did 360. I ramped that up 300% to match the music.
• Squeezed to a 29Mb QT file


We basically took the camera out of the box with these settings.
720 60p, Shutter set @ 100, aperature was mainly @ 2.8 - 4.0, ND filter set on 3, Scene 6, matt box with a 4" x 4" Cir. polarizer, and shot mostly in Intra 100 & 50, focus was taped to infinity. There are a couple of DVCPRO HD clips in here also.

http://www.alphaomegadesign.com/parachute-test-web.mov

Max Smith
06-08-2009, 10:05 AM
Looks awesome to me! My opinion on the whole skew issue is that it's not an issue. You only see it if you're wildly panning, and even then only when you freeze frame and study it. I love my new 300...

If your opinion is based only on 720p then it's valid. 1080p is a different story though.

Jan_Crittenden
06-08-2009, 11:35 AM
My offer on the hand-held native 23.98 1080P MXF files still holds. You can indeed use 1080P/24 to shoot. If you want to see it, send me a privet massage on this board and I will send you a link to the download. 1080P can most definitely be used as effectively as the 720P. You just need to know how to control the skew.

Thanks,

Jan

Max Smith
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
My offer on the hand-held native 23.98 1080P MXF files still holds. You can indeed use 1080P/24 to shoot. If you want to see it, send me a privet massage on this board and I will send you a link to the download. 1080P can most definitely be used as effectively as the 720P. You just need to know how to control the skew.

Thanks,

Jan


I don't really disagree with this, only the notion that skew isn't an issue. It's a valid issue for all rolling shutter HD cams, Red included.

It also seems to be more of an issue with the HPX300 in 1080p than it is with an XD Cam in 1080p or a Red.

Does it make an HPX300 useless? No. It still produces beautiful images at 1080p, I just took exception to the statement that skew isn't really an issue.

Cees Mutsaers
06-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Is this due because the other ones have that extra buffer built in to store frames?

[quote=Max Smith;1658801]

It also seems to be more of an issue with the HPX300 in 1080p than it is with an XD Cam in 1080p or a Red.

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G.P.
06-09-2009, 06:31 AM
I hate to say it, but just to be "scientifically" fair, your footage cannot be used to judge Noise or Skew at all, for many reasons...

1) you are shooting 60p at 720 (our problems are at 1080 24p)

2) there are no backgrounds other than blue sky which wouldn't show skew in any condition.

3) Noise would not be shown because the video clip is very small.

Jan's footage along with others are much more useful to evaluate Skew and Noise. I am not saying its bad footage, just not really useful to determine anything fairly.

We have great footage posted on the FTP site that shows this camera CAN handle the skew well. Please check that our for proper evaluation.


Great skydiving footage by the way, I always wanted to do it, but never did.

Martins Video
06-09-2009, 09:11 AM
No other backgrounds other than blue sky?

Hummmmmm?