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dcloud
06-01-2009, 03:06 AM
http://43rumors.com/olympus-pen-e-p1/
Olympus releasing info on mid june?

will it do 60p, 30p or 24p?

AdrianF
06-01-2009, 03:43 AM
As a bit of an Olympus fan, I'm quite excited to see what they come up with. I think by what has been said that this will be a very compact camera and probably ( though don't know ) will do 720 capture.
I'm interested in what Olympus could do as far as a pro bodied VDSLR. They are one of the few companies without a video line to protect, yet they also were early developers in 4k, with their Octavision camera. I presume a lot of the R&D from this went into their science imaging division, but I guess it's possible that they could pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Justyn
06-01-2009, 07:00 AM
Adrian, That does look very cool. I know the guy at the cam store was raving about this very camera the other day. I think that there needs to be an all out shoot out soon cause these cams keep popping up.. too many to keep track of, so I hope we can get someone to do a thorough review and put them all through their paces.


merci.

Steve Castle
06-01-2009, 09:55 AM
Panasonic is Oly's major supplier so it should pretty similar to the GH1 in terms of video capability (same sensor, same processing engine, etc.). My question would be if Oly's "E-P1" will have the dual Venus HD's like the GH-1, or will it only have one. And how will that effect the video capability, will they purposefully handicap it to not step on the GH1's toes?

Being that this is positioned as a lower-end device, what compromises are made in terms of functionality. Obviously not having an EVF or swivel screen will be a big cost savings. The camera will also likely be positioned below or around the Oly E450.

One advantage that this camera may have on the GH1 is the possibility of an in-body sensor-based image stabilization. This means, that lenses mounted to this camera may benefit from the in-body IS.

Justyn
06-01-2009, 10:45 AM
IF it has uninterupted HD and SD video out.. I'm going to buy it when it comes out. I need to be able to shoot digital stills remotely and feed back uninterupted SD video through our RCA downlink

Ian-T
06-01-2009, 11:03 AM
I hope it has 1080/24p but I doubt it.

stip
06-01-2009, 11:09 AM
1000$ with kit lens :)
no 1080p :(

Late
06-01-2009, 06:23 PM
I'm not really expecting very impressive video mode from Olympus. They have been lagging behind in video in their compacts (although that's at least partly because of the slow xd cards). We don't know whether this camera will use the G1 or the GH1 sensor or maybe a completely new one. It seems that they going for a sligthly retro still camera look that will mostly appeal to traditional still photographers. My guess is that they will just put a 720 30p mode in so they can tick the "video" box in their spec sheet.

dcloud
06-07-2009, 08:52 AM
http://43rumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ep1.jpghttp://43rumors.com/

DonalDuc
06-07-2009, 11:57 AM
comparing E-P1 and GH1/G1

http://666kb.com/i/b9lqvceddqoyosjnc.jpg

E-P1

no moveable display
no viewer
no fullhd
no grip
no flash

bodies ~~ same size, ~ same price ???

hmmm ... the winner is ...

http://forum.fourthirdsphoto.com/images/misc/progress.gif

tackleqb
06-07-2009, 12:14 PM
If the olympus has no 1080 then Im not sure it is gunna be a big hit. Probably might be somewhere in d90 zone not the GH-1. It really all depends on if it has HDMI live monitoring, 24p recording, mic out, audio meters? (doubt it) etc. I would say if it has those things then it might be a step further then the d90 and a step behind the GH-1. However the $990 price range probably tells me it won't have these things, but it will certainly be a good little camera for low end consumers needs.

raymondluo
06-07-2009, 12:28 PM
if the E-P1 has a better 720p output i'd still be very tempted anyways. Possibly no internal mic as well?

Abstract Photog
06-07-2009, 12:41 PM
that E-P1 is fugly...

tackleqb
06-07-2009, 01:09 PM
that E-P1 is fugly...

Haha I agree. I dont know why all of these companies are all of a sudden coming out with their weak versions of DSLR HD cameras. It's either ONLY 720p with only 24p or 1080 but only 30p or only 720p but only 30p. Or 720p and no mic, terrible bit rate, and no HDMI live out. It frustrates me to no end!!!

dcloud
06-07-2009, 01:14 PM
i like it. its a rangefinder type camera. plus itll be under 900.

if this baby actually has good video capability, then it could be a hit. it does use the same venus engine as the gh1.

Late
06-07-2009, 01:45 PM
i like it. its a rangefinder type camera. plus itll be under 900.

if this baby actually has good video capability, then it could be a hit. it does use the same venus engine as the gh1.

I don't think the video quality has much effect on whether it's going to be a hit or not. As long as they can write "HD video" on the brochure it will be enough for most people. This is a still camera first and the video feature is probably just going to be a bit of a gimmick.

dcloud
06-15-2009, 12:28 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/2aaecd1.jpg

killacam
06-15-2009, 12:47 AM
http://i44.tinypic.com/2aaecd1.jpg

shmexy

AdrianF
06-15-2009, 02:29 AM
shmexy

Yeah, that pancake could be a nice addition to a GH1 kit too!

DonalDuc
06-15-2009, 10:35 AM
pixels: 12.300.000
max. resolution 4032x3024
display 3", 230.000 pixels
OIS
video 1280x720, 640x480
size 120.5 x 70 x 35 mm
weight 335 g (body only)

http://666kb.com/i/b9tsnlzuffxejbw35.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/b9tsomm65snx1475d.jpg

DonalDuc
06-15-2009, 10:53 AM
http://666kb.com/i/b9tti3jhg5z5gbxgx.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/b9ttc573py9hfgl69.jpg

http://666kb.com/i/b9ttcwncg8e0j8y7l.jpg

Late
06-15-2009, 10:54 AM
The current rumor is that the mechanical IS only works in still photo mode and video mode has electronic IS. (Unless you use a panasonic lens with optical IS of course)

dcloud
06-15-2009, 11:49 AM
rumored 17mm 2.8 price: $100

gh1 owners rejoice :)

Late
06-15-2009, 12:12 PM
rumored 17mm 2.8 price: $100

gh1 owners rejoice :)

That doesn't sound very realistic. The current olympus pancake costs more than twice that. Maybe you can get it for $100 when you buy it as a kit with the camera.

Osslund
06-15-2009, 12:28 PM
The sample images where really bad, seams highly compressed. Tomorrow is the release date right? Interesting to see what pops up.

dcloud
06-15-2009, 12:33 PM
That doesn't sound very realistic. The current olympus pancake costs more than twice that. Maybe you can get it for $100 when you buy it as a kit with the camera.
rumor. but hey what if it is?

Late
06-15-2009, 01:38 PM
rumor. but hey what if it is?

I'm certainly not opposed to it as long as the quality is still there.

DonalDuc
06-15-2009, 04:16 PM
http://www.numerimatch.com/photo-video/exclusif-premieres-photos-de-l0lympus-pen-e-p1/12652

http://666kb.com/i/b9u1le9q3hcyhqasx.jpg

Osslund
06-16-2009, 12:42 AM
It's cool to finally see some cameras that resemble old film cameras apart from DSLRs. But the step from GH1 to this is just to small to justify.

AdrianF
06-16-2009, 06:49 AM
Originally Posted by Late
That doesn't sound very realistic. The current olympus pancake costs more than twice that. Maybe you can get it for $100 when you buy it as a kit with the camera.
rumor. but hey what if it is?

The rumor was close. It looks like $100 for the VF, which works with the pancake. Kit price for lens, vf and camera is 749, on Amazon in the UK.
The two adapters for 4/3 and OM lenses look really interesting and should work with the GH1 ( unconfirmed ).

Kholi
06-16-2009, 08:52 AM
Samsung's got the floor now.

Hope they've been paying attention all these months.

720/60P and 24P, and a 1080/24P and 30P of great compression.

Body Stabilization System

Live Video Out

They could devour.

Boz
06-16-2009, 10:05 AM
Don't get your hopes up. Samsung has NEVER done a camera with 24P. Yeah I know that doesn't mean they won't do it for the NX, but I'm just saying historically they've never gone there, so don't hold your breath. In fact, they are the king of really ODD frame rates (20 & 15 fps), just check some of their past cameras. I hope I'm wrong and they surprise us all and really knock one out of the park with a killer camera. But I'm really not expecting much. My prediction: 1080@30/15fps, 720@30/60fps, no flip-out LCD.

AdrianF
06-16-2009, 10:31 AM
Footage samples from the Oly are now over at dpreview, including a real skew test from a train:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0906/09061602ep1movies.asp

Voytech
06-16-2009, 10:40 AM
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1461&page=specs

Recording format AVI Motion JPEG(30fps)
Movie Mode HD: 1280(H)x720(V) Aspect 16:9
SD: 640(H)x480(V) Aspect 4:3(VGA)
Compression Ratio 1/12
File Size Max 2GB(limited by AVI format)
Maximum Recording Time HD: 7min, SD: 14min

Martin Koch
06-16-2009, 10:50 AM
http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1461&page=specs

Recording format AVI Motion JPEG(30fps)
Movie Mode HD: 1280(H)x720(V) Aspect 16:9
SD: 640(H)x480(V) Aspect 4:3(VGA)
Compression Ratio 1/12
File Size Max 2GB(limited by AVI format)
Maximum Recording Time HD: 7min, SD: 14min

CD quality audio, 4 MB/s data rate (2x D90) plus chroma subsampling of 4:2:2 (just checked).

What do you guy think? I think the samples at dpreview look very good IMHO better than what I've seen from the GH1. The three girls walking looks pretty good. The second last clip shows aliasing but I guess the 5D mark 2 will also have problems with this scene. Right? I see no jaggies in all those clips.

Steve Castle
06-16-2009, 10:58 AM
This camera does seem to have some-level of manual controls based off of early reports (which thankfully should becoming the norm); hopefully as more info is released we can find out if we have full-control or not. 720/30 is disappointing but being that it has the same Live-MOS sensor as the GH-1 so the jello effect should be in worse then the GH1 at that setting, and the sensor-based Image Stabilization should be nice since IS would be available on older lenses where I would have never imagined it before.

Overall, I like the design and I'm glad its made of aluminum/stainless steel rather then using a lot of plastic parts; really reports say it has some heft to it. I personally believe the rangefinder body is well-matched for the u4/3rds system; hopefully we'll see more.


Samsung's got the floor now.

Hope they've been paying attention all these months.

720/60P and 24P, and a 1080/24P and 30P of great compression.

Body Stabilization System

Live Video Out

They could devour.

If we use the Pentax as a predictor; being that they are partners of the dSLR system and use Samsung sensors and components- I doubt we'll see the camera getting anything better then the K7 in near future. Especially being we may see the K7 rebraded into a Samsung like they did the GX-1S, and the NX may use a variant of that APS-C sized sensor.

I'd love to be wrong, but 720p or even 1080p/30 seems to be more realistic, since the NX is geared more toward regular consumers like the E-P1 where those video features would have little commercial impact.

SLoNiCK
06-16-2009, 11:09 AM
Let me guess... No PAL again?

AdrianF
06-16-2009, 11:24 AM
Overall, I like the design and I'm glad its made of aluminum/stainless steel rather then using a lot of plastic parts; really reports say it has some heft to it. I personally believe the rangefinder body is well-matched for the u4/3rds system; hopefully we'll see more.

I second that. It could be a good base to build from. One of the Olympus chiefs dropped the hint ( I read it somewhere today, but forget where ), that a camera with EVF might be on the horizon, so it could be that there is more to come from them later this year.

As a pocket/street camera I love this design, but if anyone was going to use it for any mount based shooting, the tripod thread is offset, meaning swapping out batteries and cards without moving the camera would be close to impossible.

Late
06-16-2009, 11:50 AM
The rumor was close. It looks like $100 for the VF, which works with the pancake. Kit price for lens, vf and camera is 749, on Amazon in the UK.
The two adapters for 4/3 and OM lenses look really interesting and should work with the GH1 ( unconfirmed ).

Well it's close if you buy it as a kit with the camera like I said. Alone the lens costs $229.99 at amazon.

dcloud
06-18-2009, 08:45 AM
body only (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CGSYKI?ie=UTF8&tag=photorumors-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002CGSYKI) $750
body with 17mm (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CGSYL2?ie=UTF8&tag=photorumors-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002CGSYL2) $900
body with 14-42mm (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CGSYKS?ie=UTF8&tag=photorumors-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002CGSYKS) $800

not bad pricing!

I wonder if panny will release a compact m4/3 along with the 25mm 1.7 pancake?

I love how well the ep1 is marketed with a lot of people getting a pre production model to test it out. panasonic gh1 team could learn from this.. :)

raymondluo
06-20-2009, 02:35 AM
Does not seem to have any external microphone input, big no no for me- Even if it looks comparable (heck even better?) than the GH1.

guva
06-20-2009, 03:35 AM
In what way is it better?

raymondluo
06-20-2009, 04:06 AM
It doesn't look like the video breaks apart during pans or quick motions as compared to the GH1, although I have not held either in my hands.

guva
06-20-2009, 04:30 AM
Is there any more info regarding the manual controls? Is everything auto or can somethings be controlled?

rawfa
06-21-2009, 01:55 AM
Just checked out the videos on a 46" hdtv and they look pretty sweet...too bad about not having a 24p mode, though.