Neoscene - Mac and PC Workflow - One Step Pulldown Removal [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

squig

05-30-2009, 06:57 PM

I just tried converting some mts files on my macbook pro running OS 10.5.6 and there's a few issues. First I tried the conversion with voltaic all good. When I convert the 720p "stormtroopers" file http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/1232715/00000.MTS to prores or cineform there's some dirty brown patches appearing in the black background that don't appear when I use voltaic. The whole picture also appears a little less sharp/clean. Also there's some performance issues, neo scene freezes and crashes and is sluggish. Also I couldn't get it to convert anything to 25p it was either 50p or 23.98p no matter what option I chose.

David Newman

05-30-2009, 09:18 PM

That link is broken, I would like to pass the sample on, particular if you had conversion issues. Unlikely to be any color change as the conversion is a direct YUV to YUV transfer. Are you sure the other tool isn't truncating to black as YUV can hold more shadow and highlight details have stock RGB conversions. Converting 50p to 25p is not a current feature of Neo Scene, Neo HD can do that as a slow motion. Are you looking for slow motion, drop every second frame or blending frames to turn 50p to 25p?

squig

05-30-2009, 10:06 PM

It's hard to say because I haven't seen what the file looks like pre-conversion because it was just an mts file without the AVCHD folder so I couldn't do a log and transfer in FCP or open it in iMovie. I can see the brown patches when I convert in voltaic but they are barely noticeable whereas they are a lot more prominent using neo scene. here's where I got the file- http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1649853&postcount=9 if you get in touch with QTI he might be able to pass the file on to you.

squig

05-30-2009, 10:15 PM

I wasn't looking for slow motion just a method to view these damn mts files on a mac. But I'm interested in using cineform instead of prores for editing and grading. I've heard some things about final cut pro 7 and quicktime native AVCHD editing which doesn't particularly excite me because I'm not about to blow the money on a machine fast enough to deal with AVCHD. But I'm hoping that color will have quicktime support so cineform would be a viable option.

squig

05-30-2009, 10:44 PM

I just installed the latest VLC update and was able to view the raw mts file and can confirm that neoscene is enhancing the brown patches in the black background. voltaic appears to produce a more accurate copy of the source file.

squig

05-30-2009, 11:37 PM

here's the "stormtrooper" mts source file http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SIMJXZEL

David Newman

05-31-2009, 08:14 AM

Your VLC test is still not conclusive, as there is no color transformation during the conversion -- there is no reason one file type would do something no others do. QuickTime is notorious for gamma shifts so you might be seeing something that.

David Newman

05-31-2009, 09:00 AM

On the PC I tested VLC and Neo Scene and the color is indentical during playback and presentation. Weirdly when exporting a frame (snapshot) form VLC, it switched from 709 to 601 color, so the VLE export was wrong.

squig

05-31-2009, 01:14 PM

no offense but testing it on a PC isn't conclusive either. I'll upload the file that I converted in neo scene for you to have a look at shortly.

David Newman

05-31-2009, 04:28 PM

no offense but testing it on a PC isn't conclusive either. I'll upload the file that I converted in neo scene for you to have a look at shortly.

True, but the base code is the same, and VLC and Neo Scene both look correct. QuickTime issues could be at play on the Mac. Happy to look a samples, and I'll pass them on to the Mac team.

Isaac_Brody

06-16-2009, 12:16 PM

I am in the process of trying to fully test out the Mac version but it's presenting all sorts of issues. For some reason the Mac version is very buggy while the PC version works perfectly. On top of bugs the authentication process after buying the software has been a nightmare. Anyone else on Mac experiencing issues?

Martti Ekstrand

06-16-2009, 01:17 PM

I only have the NeoScene evaluation version since Sunday. The GUI is indeed pretty buggy, dropping some Parameter Processing settings when deselecting the file and selecting it again, the really small preview icon has inverted colours and saving a Preset and then applying it to a file doesn't do anything. The 'Output folder' frame in Parameter Output panel is rather confusing, would be better to set paths only in the OSX save window.

I have a tip though, Toast 10 can access the Cineform codec like any other QuickTime codec you have installed. Haven't tried that option but Toast's interface is a lot more solid, has full preview playback of the .mts files and can make a short preview of the resulting file. Perhaps worth a try.

That said the quality of Cineform codec is very very good with smaller file sizes than ProRes. Pity it doesn't have real time support of colour correction or speed changes in FCP but if I would do something ending up on big screen or Blu-ray I would try to set up a workflow with Cineform.

David Newman

06-16-2009, 05:35 PM

Isaac,

There was new Mac build that was posted yesterday that addressed a crash and some stability issues. We are working to completely replace the authenicator, we license that off a third party and it is not worth what we have paid, so we doing our own.

http://techblog.cineform.com/?p=878

Isaac_Brody

06-16-2009, 05:40 PM

Hey David,

I've tried the new build and it's a good thing you're replacing the authenticator because it doesn't work. I've got a serial number and a trial mode that isn't working. I bought the software three days ago and have been fighting with the authenticator with no success. Tried on two different computers with no luck registering my copy.

I've heard that the PC side works pretty smoothly from most accounts, but at the moment I'd say the Mac version is still very beta.

Isaac_Brody

06-17-2009, 11:39 AM

FINALLY got the Mac version registered. Running footage through it now, and reporting any bugs I find to Cineform.

PappasArts

06-23-2009, 06:01 PM

FINALLY got the Mac version registered. Running footage through it now, and reporting any bugs I find to Cineform.

So how's Neo Scene looking Isaac?

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Isaac_Brody

06-23-2009, 06:06 PM

It's working out well, just ran out of raw footage to run through it to test and compare.

PappasArts

06-23-2009, 06:14 PM

It's working out well, just ran out of raw footage to run through it to test and compare.

Awesome. I just was looking at Neoscene on their website. Need to upgrade my OS from 10.4.11 to 10.5 to use it I guess.

Nighthawk

06-28-2009, 08:10 PM

It's working out well, just ran out of raw footage to run through it to test and compare.

Any more thoughts on the subject, Isaac? For a Mac user would you recommend Neoscene over others as a workflow preference? (if this isn't putting you on the spot).

GMC

06-29-2009, 04:57 AM

Dear David,

I am currently testing the GH1 (NTSC Model) workflow with Edius Neo 2 (trial version) and I was also using the free utility which converts AVCHD into the intermediate CanopusHQ codec.

This works great with the 720p60 footage, but for the 1080i60 wrapper the additional 24p pulldown is required. The free utility offers some pulldown options but none of them seems to work for the GH1 specific wrapper.

Are you planning to offer a GH1 specific option for the free utility converting the 1080i60 wrapper into 1080p24 Canoopus HQ in one go?

This is a crucial buying decision for me (I am planning to buy the Edius software simply because the performance is best on my dualcore system - believe me, I've spent some hours on other products ... no crashes, fluid, very nice).

best regards, Gunther

P.S.: forgot to mention that I am on Windows Vista 32bit

SonicStates

06-29-2009, 08:44 AM

This is a message I got from David re: Edius compatibility:
Never used it. If Edius is compatible with media standards like VfW, DShow or Quicktime is might be compatible, but I don't have high hopes for it, as I think I would have heard that it works. Nothing CineForm can do, as it is up to Edius to be open.

Edius is indeed a very stable platform. I haven't had any issues with it whatsoever. AVCHD kicks my comp in the gizzards but I need to be a little more generous when it comes to memory...actually I think an i7 is in order given the drop in prices...
I'm shooting a short in a couple of months and I too am looking for the best workflow when it comes to pulldown etc.

GMC

06-30-2009, 12:14 AM

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tonydvcoste

06-30-2009, 03:01 PM

any free alternatives to pull down removal? in regards to vegas?

Ozpeter

07-18-2009, 04:47 PM

I am finding that Premiere Elements 7 doesn't like 720 footage from the GH1 at all. I'd like to use 1080 footage and 720 footage on the same timeline (so I could shoot in whatever seemed best for the shot). I'm trialling Neoscene for the 720 stuff and PE accepts that, but the rendered result when using the PE AVCHD 1080 project preset and exporting to AVCHD is horrible - like every horizontal line is repeated twice, a kind of venetian blinds effect. Any suggestions? I realise that I'm scrabbling around at the low end of things here... Pinnacle Studio 12 does the job natively with no problem but I'd rather use PE.

Meanwhile I shall continue to experiment - the best help is self-help!

Ozpeter

07-19-2009, 03:59 AM

Update - I already have Elecard Converter Studio AVC HD Edition and after much preset tweaking, I seem to have got something that works with Premiere Elements for 720 footage, at least with some test material, and once rendered to AVCHD DVD it stands up well in comparison to the original. My initial concern is to get to the point where I can get stuff out of the camera, edit it, and get it onto AVCHD DVD with minimal quality loss. Making it look more filmic can follow, once I've know I can get it looking unfilmic but accurate.

mlangton

07-20-2009, 05:13 AM

Forgive my ignorance I'm just learning about chroma subsampling but how does Neoscene turn 4:2:0 into 4:2:2, wouldn't it be like taking a small image and blowing it up, essentially creating colour info that was never there.

Martti Ekstrand

07-20-2009, 05:27 AM

It will still only have as much info as the original but as Neoscene is 10 bit 4:2:2 it has greater precision to place the colours in the spectra. There's no guarantee that another 8 bit 4:2:0 codec has the same division of steps which can exacerbate banding for instance. As long as you only show stuff on the web like Vimeo or YouTube it doesn't matter that much but if you aim for a nice picture on bigger tv-screens and even projection it will help. Both for grading where you have much finer steps to bend the colours too and when blurring, graining and adding other effects/elements.

mlangton

07-20-2009, 05:40 AM

Thanks Martti, I was considering buying a GH1 but the 4:2:0 codec was holding me back a bit but this sounds like a decent option if it's as good as Isaac says it is.

nickybee

08-01-2009, 02:35 PM

I tested the trial version and it properly removes pulldown. And you can tell the difference when you click "fix chroma" under processing. The footage looks visibly improved when bumped to 4:2:2, especially when it comes to banding.

finally got my GH1 and I'm just "tweaking" my workflow...Isaac where is the fix chroma tickbox ??

I'm guessing it's something that used to be there but then got removed...cause I certainly can't see it on the latest trial build.

I just bought Neoscene from videoguys.com (For $89 ;)) - but using trial until they sort out sending me a serial number.

Nick

Oedipax

08-09-2009, 04:13 PM

It's in the latest build for the Mac - 1.0.8.15. Should be right there on the processing tab, like so:

http://i26.tinypic.com/ehyngg.jpg

I'm loving NeoScene for converting GH1 stuff. One thing I have noticed (maybe it's been noted in this thread and I missed it) is that when you remove pulldown on a 1080/24 clip, the first 8 frames are still prone to having combing artifacts and ghosting. Fortunately no real production will ever have an issue because of this, but when you're run and gun and grabbing stuff on the fly, it can be kind of annoying.

Edit: Some other workflow stuff...

There's a QuickLook plugin (called HD QuickLook) for the Mac that lets you view a frame of the MTS file in the Finder which is very useful. It costs $7 but I find it's totally worth it. It lets you look at all your MTS files at a glance and have a thumbnail showing you their contents - makes the process much easier prior to conversion. You can of course also play the files back in your player of choice (Toast Video Player is great) but thumbnail view is even faster when you're looking for a certain clip. You can get it here (http://www.shedworx.com/hdquicklook).

Now if there was a way to do the same thing for the GH1's .rw2 still files. Adobe Bridge is the closest thing I know of, but I'd love having it right there in the Finder instead.

Finally, has anyone come up with an easy way to distinguish 1080p from 720p files in the Finder? Right now I'm opening the files up in Toast Video Player and then assigning them a colored label accordingly. It's kind of time consuming but necessary since you only want to remove pulldown from 1080 stuff. In the future I may consider shooting a 720 or 1080 slate before each batch of clips on shoots. Presumably everything after a slate and before the next one would then be in said resolution, making conversion easier.

saaby

08-21-2009, 02:24 PM

I can't make NeoScene work. I was trying the trial. I tried on 2 users on 1 machine.

It works fine up until it begins processing the clip. At that point it just spins forever, at 0 frames/0%. It doesn't crash or anything, but it doesn't actually do anything either.

Anybody else had this problem?

I've uninstalled and reinstalled NeoScene more times than I can count...deleted preferences, deleted stuff in /Library/Application Support. No dice.

ustein

08-21-2009, 06:00 PM

>GH1's .rw2 still files.

Not in the finder but you can use Silkypix (comes with the camera) to browse folders. Also Lightroom works.

Uwe

nickybee

08-25-2009, 01:05 AM

there is no fix chroma in the latest PC build - at least not anywhere I've found...perhaps it is "ticked" by default...

Oedipax

08-30-2009, 12:39 PM

Anyone having success with NeoScene under Snow Leopard? It crashes for me when I try to convert something. I want to try an uninstall/reinstall but am unsure of how to proceed (do I just use AppZapper, or...?)

Jack Daniel Stanley

08-30-2009, 12:50 PM

on mac?

they provide an uninstaller in the neoscene folder

applications / cineform / uninstall neoscene mac

Oedipax

08-30-2009, 02:49 PM

Ah, thanks Jack. Never actually thought to look in the folder just because so many apps don't bother providing an uninstaller.

Unfortunately I'm still having the same issue on a fresh install - maybe it needs an update before it'll work. Anyone else tried it under 10.6?

El Producto

08-31-2009, 01:30 PM

So once you remove the pulldown in NeoScene, export to avi, you will be able to import and edit in Premiere Pro CS3?

simonclivehughes

08-31-2009, 07:34 PM

Anyone else tried it under 10.6?

Won't work for me either. Hangs as soon as you try to convert.

Voltaic seems funky too... when you're in a filer window (to choose a file etc), the contents don't show up until you go up a level etc, then they appear. Does seem to convert OK though. I'm trying trials right now.

It's a bit disappointing neither (or Toast too, for that matter) have anything about a SL incompatibility on their websites.

UPDATE: Roxio does actually have a SL compatibility statement. I've emailed Cineform and hope to hear back on Neoscene.

Cheers,

simonclivehughes

09-01-2009, 12:08 PM

I heard from Cineform that Neoscene should be updated for Snow Leopard later today.

UPDATE: Well, obviously they didn't make that deadline! Still waiting.

Cheers,

tony240sx

09-02-2009, 06:27 PM

Any news on this for Snow Leopard? Im getting the spinning that doesnt stop.

Oedipax

09-02-2009, 09:49 PM

A statement from Cineform would be much appreciated, they have a Tech blog and a Twitter account so there's a straightforward way to do it. But if they get it sorted in the next few days it's not that big of a deal, I guess.

simonclivehughes

09-03-2009, 09:03 AM

tony240sx

09-03-2009, 09:35 PM

Here's what I received yesterday from their Technical people:

" Update: The fix will take a few days. Maybe not until next week. Sorry for the bad news, but I wanted to keep you posted. Its our top priority to get this working."

Cheers,

Thanks for the info. I hope there is a way to extend my trial since I downloaded yesterday and may not be able to use it in the next 7 days.

The Main Event

09-04-2009, 07:32 AM

Glad I found this thread. Uninstalled about 3 times trying to make it to work. Will wait impatiently for the SL update.

Oedipax

09-04-2009, 01:24 PM

Still no announcement? Why? I'm having Carrion flashbacks!

simonclivehughes

09-04-2009, 01:42 PM

I got an email this morning with a link for a new build... try emailing support. Haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Cheers,

jmo928

09-05-2009, 05:00 AM

whats the link ?

The Main Event

09-05-2009, 09:00 AM

After uninstalling and updating I've been having this msg:

This application was deactivated, possibly due to changes in the computer time and date. Contact the vendor to reactivate this application.

Does anyone else have that problem? I just sent a msg to Cineform.

lucidimage

09-08-2009, 12:26 AM

Same issue as "the main event" here. I've emailed them 4 days ago...still waiting on a response...

Program is great when its working but the service has been pretty ordinary.

The Main Event

09-08-2009, 07:42 AM

Same issue as "the main event" here. I've emailed them 4 days ago...still waiting on a response...

Program is great when its working but the service has been pretty ordinary.

Glad to know that I'm not the only one. Still waiting for a response too...

Michael K

09-08-2009, 11:12 PM

Okay, I'm fairly new to the digital filmmaking aspect. I have yet to get my mac and should I be concerned with the pulldown problem before I start editing? Just got the Gh1 and Im worried I might have used a 7D?

Any Help would be great?

Isaac_Brody

09-09-2009, 10:11 AM

Pulldown removal works perfectly well with neoscene. The program can be buggy on the mac side, but as far as pulldown removal goes it does the job well.

lucidimage

09-09-2009, 11:00 PM

Got a reply from Cineform.
Installed a new version (Version 1.0.10.17) and entered new activation code.
Back up and running!

Oedipax

09-09-2009, 11:20 PM

Argh. Why aren't they posting some kind of official statement on this? Should I just bug David Newman on Twitter?

Edit: Okay, if you go through the downloading process you'll now see there is a new build available as of 9/4 (although the version listed on the page just prior to it is still the old one from 8/29, so I didn't think to check further). About to test it out and see if it works.

2nd Edit: Hallelujah. It's working again. I did have to do an uninstall/reinstall (with a system reboot for good measure) to get it going. Just installing over the old version still crashed out for me. But now it seems to be working again.

3rd Edit: Still pretty crash-happy. It seems kind of random. At least now when it crashes (right after pressing the Convert button) it seems to initiate the background process that actually converts the footage, so it's kind of like starting a job in Compressor and then closing your Batch Monitor. The file still converts, but you don't get an indicator of its progress (other than monitoring the file size in the Finder).

greymog

09-10-2009, 09:27 PM

Sorry I'm a newbie three day old GH1 user, using trial version of Neoscene, conversions looking good, nothing wrong.

One question on pal models, for my 1080, am i removing pulldown? am i deinterlacing? or am i checking neither box? this is for 108050i, but it already says 25p when i drag it to queue.

T

The Main Event

09-12-2009, 03:16 PM

3rd Edit: Still pretty crash-happy. It seems kind of random. At least now when it crashes (right after pressing the Convert button) it seems to initiate the background process that actually converts the footage, so it's kind of like starting a job in Compressor and then closing your Batch Monitor. The file still converts, but you don't get an indicator of its progress (other than monitoring the file size in the Finder).

Doing the same thing to me. Thought at first that it was crashing on me, uninstalled, yada yada but you're right, it converts but the progress bar doesn't show up.

One question about something that I haven't figured out. When updating, it mentions to not deactivate Cineform. Yet when I uninstall it (the correct way would be to delete the two Cineform folders in the library/quicktime folder right?), and then update it it sees it as a trial when I re-open it. Of course running the uninstall program does the same thing. Is there something I'm missing here, or do I really have to re-activate it everytime?

Oedipax

09-12-2009, 03:28 PM

I didn't have to reactivate mine - even when I ran the uninstall script, rebooted, and reinstalled. I do have the Cineform Player software installed as well, maybe that stores the activation info?

The Main Event

09-12-2009, 06:14 PM

I have both the Neo Player and Neo Scene files installed.

After leaving my computer on for a file to finish converting, I just realized that the program just doesn't work anymore, it just hangs up, yet the converted video file gets bigger and bigger (it was now up to 140GB...original file is 140MB...)...it was working perfectly 2 days ago after I've been able to reactive it.

Those issues are getting on my nerves since I have projects that I want to actually work on.

Oedipax

09-12-2009, 11:08 PM

I'm finding Toast 10 to be a pretty good substitute until Cineform gets its software updated fully. You can export from MTS to whatever Quicktime codecs you want (or Cineform) and performance is pretty fast to boot. This is on 720p60 clips, however, not 1080p24 clips that need pulldown removed.

Oedipax

09-17-2009, 11:52 PM

Okay, there's another new NeoScene build. This one seems more stable so far. I haven't had a crash yet, knock on wood!

jay nelson

09-19-2009, 09:20 PM

In order to get mts files into an editor do i just need to buy neoscene. Because when i hook up my external harddrives with the mts files on them Both imovie and fcp will not let me import them. unless I do it from the camera inself directly into imovie. But that doesn't help me with the files that are on the other drives. We shoot all the footage at (FHD 1920 x 1080 24p). Please help me I am very new at this.
Thanks Jay

Oedipax

09-20-2009, 10:04 AM

What versions of FCP and iMovie? And what version of Mac OS, plus are you on an Intel or PPC machine?

Using Log and Transfer in FCP, you should be able to get the MTS files in okay assuming you preserved all the other files in the /PRIVATE hierarchy on the memory card. If you just have the MTS's, then FCP doesn't seem to be able to do it, but Cineform does. Voltaic might as well, I haven't tested it.

Revsta

10-11-2009, 01:59 PM

Can you SEE the difference when pulldown is removed on a computer? I just Neo Scened a scene and I can't really see a huge difference, if I'm seeing one at all.

Oedipax

10-18-2009, 02:44 PM

Like between 1080p24 w/ pulldown and without? It makes a big difference, but mostly on scenes with motion. Look at a camera pan with pulldown and you'll see a lot of unusual stuttering as it moves; with pulldown removed it should be nice and smooth (assuming the original camera move was).

chrismagicc

10-21-2009, 11:28 AM

in terms of quality, cineform should have no quality loss compared to the original mts file

ajamils

11-14-2009, 11:45 AM

If i edit video on two different computers (my laptop and desktop) will I need to buy two separate licenses of Neoscene ?

Soroush Shahrokni

11-27-2009, 09:23 AM

I emailed Cineform with a question but didn't get a reply. Here is my question, what should I do with GH1 PAL 1080p footage, deinterlace it or maintain source frame format?

Manoeuvre

11-30-2009, 11:40 PM

Does this "Fix Chroma option" exist on PC?

philiplipetz

12-19-2009, 03:29 PM

I emailed Cineform with a question but didn't get a reply. Here is my question, what should I do with GH1 PAL 1080p footage, deinterlace it or maintain source frame format?

Do not deinterlace. Mark the remove pulldown and fix chroma boxes. Set for target file format. I use ProRes LT because I am on a Mac and ProRes SQ is overkill and Cineform stresses the computer.

Martti Ekstrand

12-20-2009, 01:52 AM

"Mark the remove pulldown" does not apply to PAL footage as there is no pulldown to remove in PAL footage. Only reason to use Neoscene with PAL is if wanting to use the Cineform codec.

Oedipax

01-03-2010, 09:58 AM

I'm getting glitched frames in the latest NeoScene build (27 on 10.6.2). Anyone else having this problem? It's happening on 720p60 MTS files from which I'm "removing" pulldown (i.e. dropping frames to get a 23.98 file for non-slow motion).

This is really unacceptable for something so basic to be broken in a mature build of the product. What are they even doing?

Isaac_Brody

01-03-2010, 10:07 AM

Wait, you're dropping frames from 720 60P to get to 24P? You should only be removing pulldown on 1080 material.

Oedipax

01-03-2010, 11:23 AM

Wait, you're dropping frames from 720 60P to get to 24P? You should only be removing pulldown on 1080 material.

It's footage that was shot to give us the option of slow motion or regular motion. Some clips are being left at 60p, others are being dropped down to 24p. I know you can drop 60p clips on a 24p timeline and have the NLE do it but that necessitates rendering, plus the files are much larger. This has worked perfectly well in previous builds, but the new one makes a mess.

Once picture is locked, I'll go back to the original MTS files and do one of the fancier 60-to-24 conversions (with Compressor or Shake & optical flow) but for now just dropping the frames is enough to get an edit down.

Edit: Found this thread about the issue: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1843156

Isaac_Brody

01-03-2010, 09:30 PM

Ah, that's a bummer. I've quit using neoscene. Like you I've found that it's always felt like a beta program and it was doing some very strange things to my 7D footage. So just sticking to mpeg streamclip for now.

j1clark@ucsd.edu

01-05-2010, 11:21 AM

Ok, I downloaded the Neoscene, and I had the following experience...

1) The Tool name appears to be:

"ReMaster"...

2) When I run 'ReMaster' select my MTS file, it is shown in the selection list with a thumbnail, but when I click on 'convert', the program 'just hangs', the status bar never becomes highlighted, nor dos the 'stop' button become 'enabled'... a second click on the 'convert' button, yields a program crash and exit...

I'll be trying the JES tool next...

The one thing I did notice on the Cineform website, was a requirement of 4 GB of memory... I only have 2 in my Mac Book Pro... to me the lesser memory should result in slower conversions... not crashes...

fabi8bit

01-18-2010, 01:28 PM

Oedipax

01-22-2010, 11:55 AM

New build for the Mac is up (build 30). Reportedly the tearing/corrupted frames issue is fixed.

noirist

01-26-2010, 11:24 AM

hi,
i'm really new to this forum. I experienced the same problem with my mac book pro and neoscene (10.2 b27). i bought the neoscene but it doesn't work properly on mac os(10.6.2). around 10 sec i get allways 3 or 4 jagged frames and it doesn't matter which are the settings. i tried the trial on windows and it's working pretty well.
somebody else knows allready about that?

The windows version of NeoScene has the same problem (as of 01/23/2010) -- the frames in the first few seconds have severe ghosting. From what I can tell, the Windows version of VoltaicHD appears to work correctly (no ghosting).

JoeJITSU

04-21-2010, 11:24 AM

The windows version of NeoScene has the same problem (as of 01/23/2010) -- the frames in the first few seconds have severe ghosting. From what I can tell, the Windows version of VoltaicHD appears to work correctly (no ghosting).
So can someone tell me which is better. Cineform or VoltaicHD?

Cavemandude

05-02-2010, 09:41 PM

I use TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress, no problems so far that I can see and you can use the Cineform codec.

Randy

Blackout

05-05-2010, 03:56 PM

I am noticing that neoscene in the medium quality setting is getting some slight artifacts that the original picture does not have. There is some additional noise and little dots around detail edges that I don't see in the original clips.

David Newman

05-05-2010, 04:50 PM

Could be, medium is the mode that is "good enough" for average use, but I always use High or Filmscan 1 (next product up.)

chrisso

06-25-2010, 12:55 AM

Just installed the latest trial version of Neoscene and having one problem with Final Cut Express 4.
The GH-1 is PAL and I'm shooting 1280 x 720, 50fps (basically the SH setting).

The first time I converted the files they looked perfect (but had no Neoscene watermark on vision). The second time I tried, I'd read up more about what i was supposed to be doing (ticking boxes etc) and now my footage looks good (with watermark invision) BUT slightly speeded up.
I've tried ticking both 'pulldown' and 'none'. Either way it works without a hitch, and looks like it does out of the camera except slightly speeded up.
I know I'm doing something dumb here.