Night Footage inside GH1 Private folder

[SonicStates]

Ok, so I have some more footage to share.

As per requested the entire 'PRIVATE' folder is available for everyone who needs the file structure to remain intact. No changes were made. No transcoding etc, etc...

Location: Sakae, Nagoya (Japan)
Time: dusk and shortly thereafter
Camera: GH1 in 720 (SH mode), ISO 1600, wide open (F4 on the stock lens), AWB, shutter 1/30 (although there is some debate as to whether this really means 1/30), Intelligent contrast: off, Auto focus on for some of the shots; off for others, Film type: Vibrant (camera's stock vibrant setting)...hmmmm think that's about it...
7 clips in all, different settings, available light only (some darker places others well lit)

I hope this adds to the ballooning information about this remarkable little cam

http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/PRIVATE.rar

Thanks again to Daniel L for the server space.

Cheers

[Rakesh Jacob]

u're the best!!

[asdfyoyoyo]

Just checked this out on my ps3 at home on the 52" 1080p LCD. For the most part it looks fabulous. There is some macroblocking in shots of the sky, and a few aliasing issues, but DANG that footage is clean looking. Especially the last scene with the people walkking past the store.

I can't WAIT to get this camera and pair it with my fast Canon FD glass.

Thanks for the post! And thanks Daniel for lending bandwidth. Fast server btw. :happy:

[Isaac_Brody]

I had to import it with Toast, still couldn't use final cut. Looking at the directory the files aren't all sequential and it looks like some clips are missing. But that didn't stop me from looking at footage. First four clips look like 60P and the later ones I think are at 30P.

[mico]

Yeah the private folder should import easily into fcp but this one doesn't. Had to use toast to see footage. I would like to get one private folder without any changes to the file and see if fcp easily log and transfers it because fcp has had issues in the past with panasonic cams.

Anyway, many thanks sonicstates for the upload.

[Kholi]

Mico is right. If you do ANYTHING to thefolders (remove files, etc) then they don't work properly.

Barry might know how to do it properly, otherwise you have to shoot exactly what you want to upload then upload.

That's how I did it.

[mico]

Gotta say sonicstates the footage looks stunning. You've done alot of work already and I hate to ask you but could you upload a private folder untouched with just two 1080 24p shots with panning day or night. I'll understand if you can't. Thanks again the night stuff was fantastic.

[codeloss]

In 00025.MTS, the tree on the right side of the frame is turning to mush. At first I thought it was just out of focus, but the people walking by it seem much sharper. Does this look weird to anyone else?

Also, thanks for posting, sonicstates!

[SonicStates]

Daaaaaammmnnn! FCP really doesn't like me touching at all...I deleted a few really crap shots so the sequence was from that point...well....shot. I'll start fresh tonight and not change a single thing... 1080 24p panning day or night...probably night...
Glad the footage turned out alright...my crappy I-0 Data LCD screen makes me cry big tears...I need to see the stuff on a real monitor.

[mico]

Ha. I understand you not wanting to post bad footage but that interior shot night was so good it will redeem any future shots you think are bad. Thanks .

[SonicStates]

It is literally raining on my parade here so it might have to be interior stuff or maybe some daylight shots tomorrow if the weather clears.
Mico, when you say, 'pan' do you mean neck wrenching, hospitalization kinda stuff or watching that sexy lady saunter down the road kinda stuff? I think almost everyone here can predict where the 1080 fast pan is going to leave us...

[GregGory]

Fantastic stuff SonicStates! And credit to DanielL too.

Looks fab to me, but the Vibrant + Intelligent Contrast OFF combo seems to crush the blacks quite harshly. I would love to see a daytime (blue sky) footage with every DR enhancing setting turned on.

[upshot]

Thank you for doing this sonicstates!

1600 seems softish and there is definitely some noise/banding here and there... It's not terrible though! and F4! Some faster glass and a few iso stops will do wonders I'm sure.

I simply can't wait to test out my Switar 26/1.1, Angenieux 25/.95 and Soligor 25/.95 now that I see this footage. Very exciting!

[SonicStates]

I got to get some glass...

[mico]

It is literally raining on my parade here so it might have to be interior stuff or maybe some daylight shots tomorrow if the weather clears.
Mico, when you say, 'pan' do you mean neck wrenching, hospitalization kinda stuff or watching that sexy lady saunter down the road kinda stuff? I think almost everyone here can predict where the 1080 fast pan is going to leave us...

It would be nice to see a pan speed average of the two scenarios you suggested and if you could have an object move through the foreground as you pan with the person or object in the distance like a lamp pole or other person. You could also throw in a bourne type pan if you want just to see what it looks like in 1080.

[Isaac_Brody]

Hey Sonic,

If you could throw in more controlled shooting that would be great. As you mentioned, woman sauntering down street would be nice. Fast pans aren't going to look good so it'd be nice to see some footage shot avoiding that. And daylight would be nice too at 24P. Can you take a locked off wide/establishing shot of a location? I'd like to see how well the codec holds up when you're NOT trying to break it.

[SonicStates]

Issac, no probs...I'll be out and about tomorrow...praying to the weather gods for a respite from this 3 day (so far) rain spell.

In other news, I was just working on a song in my studio so broke out the GH1 for some FHD footage...shot a couple of takes with different (slightly) settings...will get some more "open" and outside shots as promised tomorrow. AND it will all be uploaded COMPLETELY untouched...including any deleting (BRICKTOP: "and I DO mean this time")

Until then,
Sam

[SonicStates]

Fantastic stuff SonicStates! And credit to DanielL too.

Looks fab to me, but the Vibrant + Intelligent Contrast OFF combo seems to crush the blacks quite harshly. I would love to see a daytime (blue sky) footage with every DR enhancing setting turned on.

GreGory - I'm not sure about the blue sky (grey might have to do) but let me play around with the settings


It would be nice to see a pan speed average of the two scenarios you suggested and if you could have an object move through the foreground as you pan with the person or object in the distance like a lamp pole or other person. You could also throw in a bourne type pan if you want just to see what it looks like in 1080.

Mico - Roger that

[Douglas Villalba]

Ok, so I have some more footage to share.

As per requested the entire 'PRIVATE' folder is available for everyone who needs the file structure to remain intact. No changes were made. No transcoding etc, etc...

Location: Sakae, Nagoya (Japan)
Time: dusk and shortly thereafter
Camera: GH1 in 720 (SH mode), ISO 1600, wide open (F4 on the stock lens), AWB, shutter 1/30 (although there is some debate as to whether this really means 1/30), Intelligent contrast: off, Auto focus on for some of the shots; off for others, Film type: Vibrant (camera's stock vibrant setting)...hmmmm think that's about it...
7 clips in all, different settings, available light only (some darker places others well lit)

I hope this adds to the ballooning information about this remarkable little cam

http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/PRIVATE.rar

Thanks again to Daniel L for the server space.

Cheers
Thank you for posting the clips.

Is there a way of seeing them on a MAC G5?

[chicago]

SonicStates you rule! It would be really awesome to see some raw clips w/ all settings in Manual and no zooming. It seems that continuously adjusting multiple settings overburdens the camera, and the image is degraded as the result.

Using auto-anything is usually not recommended in any professional applications since that takes creative control from the shooter. Finally, total manual control over video is by far the biggest advantage this cam has over the 5d so lets see what it can do!

Here's what I'd love to see (if anyone agrees or has any suggestions, please speak up):

In a controlled environment (with minimal light changes), set up a tripod and focus the camera on a group of colorful objects w/ lots of detail(s). Set everything to manual, (including WB, focus, ISO, etc.), and select the most normal mode (no vivid etc.,) Adjust aperture so that the least amount of the image is blown out. Shoot 10 sec clips of the following:

1 static wide @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 wide pan @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 static CU @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU rack focus @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU pan @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 static wide @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 wide pan @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 static CU @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU rack focus @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU pan @ highest ISO @ 1080/24

1 static wide @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 wide pan @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 static CU @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU rack focus @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU pan @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 static wide @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 wide pan @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 static CU @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU rack focus @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU pan @ highest ISO @ 720/60

Then, compress and upload the folder untouched. I think that will provide a really comprehensive look at the camera. Thanks in advance!

[asdfyoyoyo]

I like Chicago's idea. Sonic, what you've already done is great. If we could get those shots that Chicago has suggest, the would be fabulous and very, very helpful.

Thanks!

[Boz]

I would have to agree. That's quite a list, but it would be an invaluable resource!

[Ian-T]

Great idea Chicago. If this is too much for you to do then I'll extend that invitation to Kholi, Phil and Hunter also.

[Kholi]

Poor Sonic.

You are a brave soldier.

[mico]

Poor Sonic.

You are a brave soldier.

Exactly. Thats why no one else has offered. Give an inch they take a mile.
Do what you want Sonic. No worries.

[asdfyoyoyo]

Exactly. Thats why no one else has offered. Give an inch they take a mile.
Do what you want Sonic. No worries.

Lol. As if the guys that already have the cameras don't LOVE figuring out everything about it anyways. And the attention that they get on this forum by providing everyone with constant updates and everything (that's not why they do it, i'm sure, but it probably is nice to get some recognition)

I really appreciate that these 4 guys are telling us so much about the camera and doing tests, but it's not exactly like somebody is forcing them to walk over hot coals. This is playing with a shiny new toy for goodness sake. If I had a hold of one of these things, and had the hour to spend, I'd be all over it. Maybe I'm just a big gear head, but doing tests with a shiny new toy doesn't impose on me in the least.

That being said, I do appreciate all the footage that sonic has provided so far. And of course Daniel providing bandwidth for us to all download these massive files. Even if nothing else was updated, I'd still be grateful for the content that has already been uploaded.

peace

[mico]

Yes i would also like to thank Daniel for the bandwidth use. Its keepin this machine going. Thanks man.

[Kholi]

In the infamous words of a nintendo game that swept my generation by storm in 1989, Skate or Die 2..: No Way Dude!!!!

[chicago]

Don't mean to take advantage of Sonic :) It's just that we're all so excited about the possibilities of this camera for our work and art. I, for one, am drooling about the possibility of using REALLY fast Zeiss lenses in low light and experimenting w/ different shutter speeds. Illya's comment about GH1 footage looking like a S16 blowup is music to my ears - i just hope its true.

I also wanted to ask what's everyone's final output plans? I've spoken to a digitizing/duplication expert and he said that if you're mastering in SD, the 17mbs rate should stand up. Mastering to HD however, will be too much. The footage may look good on the computer, which means its going to look great online, but the real question is how far can you take the footage from GH1? The ONLY way to kow for sure is to test it. That's why its SO important to have quality RAW clips to test and compress into various mastering standards like HD CAM for HD and DigiBeta for SD.

End of rant. I also wanted to again thank Sonic for everything he's done so far. Also Kholi and Philip Bloom and Illya and everyone else for their contributions.

[cinebuddy]

Don't mean to take advantage of Sonic :) It's just that we're all so excited about the possibilities of this camera for our work and art. I, for one, am drooling about the possibility of using REALLY fast Zeiss lenses in low light and experimenting w/ different shutter speeds. Illya's comment about GH1 footage looking like a S16 blowup is music to my ears - i just hope its true.

I also wanted to ask what's everyone's final output plans? I've spoken to a digitizing/duplication expert and he said that if you're mastering in SD, the 17mbs rate should stand up. Mastering to HD however, will be too much. The footage may look good on the computer, which means its going to look great online, but the real question is how far can you take the footage from GH1? The ONLY way to kow for sure is to test it. That's why its SO important to have quality RAW clips to test and compress into various mastering standards like HD CAM for HD and DigiBeta for SD.

End of rant. I also wanted to again thank Sonic for everything he's done so far. Also Kholi and Philip Bloom and Illya and everyone else for their contributions.
Then how does this expert explain the HF10 footage in Crank High Voltage? The HF10 is 17mbs and the Crank footage was dubbed to HDCam cut and colored and blown up so I really wanna know what he's talking about. Maybe he should pick up the new issue of HDVideoPro. You have nothing to worry about as far as that data rate for usability INMHO.

[Kholi]

Okay, Hunter was right

Anything under 1/60 Shutter in SH (720/60P) is actually 30 with doubled fields.

That means if Sonic shot ANYT 720 footage under 1/60 shutter it's not actually 60P.

[Ian-T]

It's sort of like how we get a faux 30p when using 60i. You just shoot at a 1/30 shutter while in 60i...and wala...you have a faux 30p image. So what Hunter states for 60p makes sense.

[SonicStates]

SonicStates you rule! It would be really awesome to see some raw clips w/ all settings in Manual and no zooming. It seems that continuously adjusting multiple settings overburdens the camera, and the image is degraded as the result.

Using auto-anything is usually not recommended in any professional applications since that takes creative control from the shooter. Finally, total manual control over video is by far the biggest advantage this cam has over the 5d so lets see what it can do!

Here's what I'd love to see (if anyone agrees or has any suggestions, please speak up):

In a controlled environment (with minimal light changes), set up a tripod and focus the camera on a group of colorful objects w/ lots of detail(s). Set everything to manual, (including WB, focus, ISO, etc.), and select the most normal mode (no vivid etc.,) Adjust aperture so that the least amount of the image is blown out. Shoot 10 sec clips of the following:

1 static wide @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 wide pan @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 static CU @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU rack focus @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU pan @ lowest ISO @ 1080/24
1 static wide @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 wide pan @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 static CU @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU rack focus @ highest ISO @ 1080/24
1 CU pan @ highest ISO @ 1080/24

1 static wide @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 wide pan @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 static CU @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU rack focus @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU pan @ lowest ISO @ 720/60
1 static wide @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 wide pan @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 static CU @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU rack focus @ highest ISO @ 720/60
1 CU pan @ highest ISO @ 720/60

Then, compress and upload the folder untouched. I think that will provide a really comprehensive look at the camera. Thanks in advance!


A-a-hahahaha...

That's not a very nice list to get back from after running around for work/DVXUSer :) I can't promise to have it done today but I'll give it a shot Saturday arvo.

In the meantime you footage hungry beasts (back, I tell you, back! <whip crack>) I'll put up a link of the next round of footage...give me an hour or so to type out the settings used (I tried to get what Isaac, Mico and GreGory were after but we'll see how I fared...it was bright as hell today and the LCD had real trouble punching through the glare). Didn't have a great deal of time to play so that's why white balance was set to auto.

Please also note the first 4 shots are basically of the inside of my studio because it was peeing down last night...I don't know how useful they'll be but anyway.

12 shots - I haven't even looked at them so, if that isn't private enough for FCP then I don't know what is! I formatted the card beforehand so they are all in sequence etc.

Be right back...in an hour or so

PS...for my "homework" what shutter speed should I be looking at for the 720 and 1080 stuff

[SonicStates]

Should I start a new thread with this new stuff?

[SonicStates]

It's ready and small it is not...610MB...
As mentioned 12 shots, you can get the info in a text doc. here:
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/Intact/CameraSettingsSam.txt

Here is the latest footage:
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/Intact/PRIVATE.rar

I'll make it's own thread for others to access also.

I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a pro so bear with any F-ups on my journey to become better.

The first four shots were done in my studio (audio) so forgive the monotony...at least you can have some music to listen to while seeing my space...4 different settings (see link)

The next lot were done at Nagoya station (got some blue sky for GreGory) with a combination of static shots (hand held), soft, medium and nauseatingly fast, hello-jello pans (although I don't really know how they turned out because I haven't seen any of this stuff yet). All done in 1080

As per usual, a big hats off to Daniel...my welcome must surely be running out after this upload ;)

Enjoy...and next stop is the LIST chicago kindly put together to make sure I wasn't bored on Saturday afternoon...at work. Nah, seriously I really enjoy getting more intimate with this cam...it's been a pleasure so far except for the lens cap which drives me crazy.

Cheers,
Sam.

[mico]

A-a-hahahaha...

That's not a very nice list to get back from after running around for work/DVXUSer :) I can't promise to have it done today but I'll give it a shot Saturday arvo.

In the meantime you footage hungry beasts (back, I tell you, back! <whip crack>) I'll put up a link of the next round of footage...give me an hour or so to type out the settings used (I tried to get what Isaac, Mico and GreGory were after but we'll see how I fared...it was bright as hell today and the LCD had real trouble punching through the glare). Didn't have a great deal of time to play so that's why white balance was set to auto.

Please also note the first 4 shots are basically of the inside of my studio because it was peeing down last night...I don't know how useful they'll be but anyway.

12 shots - I haven't even looked at them so, if that isn't private enough for FCP then I don't know what is! I formatted the card beforehand so they are all in sequence etc.

Be right back...in an hour or so

PS...for my "homework" what shutter speed should I be looking at for the 720 and 1080 stuff

For 1080 24p stick with 1/50 shutter speed and 720 60p stick with 1/120.

[SonicStates]

ok...now I'm with the program (yeah right). Just to clarify 1/120 leads to a smoother conversion to 24p when shooting 720/60, right...?
1080 is golden, 1/50 all the way.

[chicago]

Then how does this expert explain the HF10 footage in Crank High Voltage? The HF10 is 17mbs and the Crank footage was dubbed to HDCam cut and colored and blown up so I really wanna know what he's talking about. Maybe he should pick up the new issue of HDVideoPro. You have nothing to worry about as far as that data rate for usability INMHO.

Touché! In all fairness though, after watch some f the movie and reading the artcicle in HDVideoPRo, they only used the HF10 for a few very quick shots. Majority of the movie was wilmed w/ the XH A1 @25mbps and w/o the AVCHD compression. With that said, that fact that that were able to blow up a 17mbps AVCD files to 35mm is REALLY encouraging.

[SonicStates]

The tests will begin momentarily...Chicago I was thinking that 720 should be shot at 1/60 for normal and 1/120 for slow...I'll shoot the 720 last and try to get em' both.
The subject matter is pretty exciting!!!! Just wait and see....(if only sarcasm would translate into text well)
Might have a chance to grab some DOF footage tomorrow...but I can't promise that's going to work out so well...whiskey might be involved

[chicago]

Thanks SS! Whiskey has to be involved! I was going to add that to the long list of shot requests ;)

Do what you feel is right - my only wish is that everything is set to manual. Thanks a million for all your work. I think I will be buying the camera, a number of lenses and a Zacuto DSLR rig, so I just need to make sure that the camera will work for my needs. Your input here is absolutely invaluable. Can't wait to see the footage!

[Ian-T]

I wonder if the GH-1 could get close to this lowlight footage done by the %Dll if it had some very fast lens:

http://vimeo.com/2666377

Wow.