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philip bloom
04-29-2009, 07:27 PM
Well I took it out for first time yesterday and shot some footage. All handheld.

It performed really well. Very nice image.

The stock lens is too slow making low light ugly as the very high ISO has some horrible banding issues. But I wlll be getting my Nikon adaptor tomorrow so will be able to use my fast Zeiss primes and I will be able to do some proper low light filming.

The mic is pretty good. Not great, but does it's job.

But mostly I LOVED the manual controls for exposure, love the ability to use auto focus and face recognition whilst filming and loved the long recording time...

You can read more of my thoughts here:
My first impressions review is up...video is uploading as we speak!!!
http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/04/30/panasonic-lumix-gh1-first-impressions-and-first-footage/

The video is currently uploading, I will update the blog entry as soon as it is uploaded and transcoded.

Phil

artforme
04-29-2009, 07:37 PM
I'm interested in hearing how well the Nikon adapter works. Thanks for sharing the info.

Terry_Lasater
04-29-2009, 07:37 PM
Thanks for the review, Philip. Nicely done as always. The only thing I look forward to as much as your camera reviews are the cool t-shirts you possess. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to the video.

Hunter Hampton
04-29-2009, 07:48 PM
Hey Phil- you have some misinformation on your blog.

excerpt:
"This camera is NOT a 35mm camera it uses the micro four thirds technology which roughly equates to a 16mm sensor"

Its actually about 90% of the frame sized used for shooting 4K with the Red.

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 07:49 PM
Hey Phil- you have some misinformation on your blog.

excerpt:
"This camera is NOT a 35mm camera it uses the micro four thirds technology which roughly equates to a 16mm sensor"

When I say 35mm I am not talking academy frame 35mm which is what the RED shoots, I am talking full frame sensor like the 5dmk2 which it is roughly half the size of give or take...

Hunter Hampton
04-29-2009, 07:53 PM
Sorry!

The sensor size used in 16:9 recording is: 18.8mm x 10.6mm.

Regular 16mm film = 10.26 by 7.49 mm

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 07:54 PM
Ok thanks! will put that sensor size info down in Blog. p

squig
04-29-2009, 07:54 PM
somebody slap him

here ya go- http://www.pbase.com/viztyger/image/109862819/original

dadoboy
04-29-2009, 08:03 PM
Super 16mm 1.66:1 is 12.4mm x 7.5mm, and that's without a 16:9 crop. So the 4/3" sensor surface area is significantly bigger than the Super 16mm surface area.

What that means is that you would be using longer lenses in general to achieve the same FOV as Super 16mm, longer lenses equating to shallower depth of field.

I'm afraid that also means Super 16mm glass will not have enough coverage for the 4/3 sensor except perhaps for the longer focal lengths on some zooms.

Am I beating this to death?

squig
04-29-2009, 08:03 PM
I was getting log and transfer errors too until I ran the last apple pro apps update

Rakesh Jacob
04-29-2009, 08:06 PM
Jebus Cripes that Red is sooooo sexxy!!! :love4:
(sorry had to get that out)

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 08:06 PM
Let's just say it's smaller than the Canon 5dmk2 sensor ;-)

Video is uploaded and transcoding now. Keep checking back to the Blog page now...very soon. Shame the compression isn't doing it that many favours. I am hoping to get someone to host the full 1.5gb version for me...

Park Edwards
04-29-2009, 08:07 PM
1.5gb?

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 08:07 PM
I asked Panny to send me a RED one...at least I can pretend until I can actually afford a RED or a Scarlet ;-)

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 08:09 PM
1.5gb?

yes, before I compressed it to h264 1080p it was 1.4gb now it is 290mb...I am sure someone will host it for me soon!! :-)

squig
04-29-2009, 08:10 PM
the kit lens looks better than I expected in the pool hall. What were your aperture/ISO/shutter settings in that shot?

Park Edwards
04-29-2009, 08:10 PM
i can host, but the download will be slow. your call really.
any idea what kind of mic jack the gh1 takes?

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 08:15 PM
i can host, but the download will be slow. your call really.
any idea what kind of mic jack the gh1 takes?

thanks...it's a mini stereo jack. smaller than the 3.5mm one...

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 08:16 PM
the kit lens looks better than I expected in the pool hall. What were your aperture/ISO/shutter settings in that shot?

mmm...think it was 400 or 800....

aperture was wide open at 4 for the full wide shots and down to about 5.6 for the longer lens stuff. shutter was at 30.

Terry_Lasater
04-29-2009, 08:17 PM
http://www.megaupload.com/

hungrych
04-29-2009, 08:24 PM
http://www.megaupload.com/

I think you need an account to download more than a 1GB file.

Terry_Lasater
04-29-2009, 08:37 PM
I think you need an account to download more than a 1GB file.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6087/picture22f.png

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 08:48 PM
dont think the 20gb a day will work that well ;-)

Daniel L.
04-29-2009, 08:49 PM
Philip,

Check your PM.

Terry_Lasater
04-29-2009, 08:50 PM
Then, buy the premium membership. :)

mkeep
04-29-2009, 08:51 PM
dont think the 20gb a day will work that well ;-)

You're going to download your own file more than 13 times?

squig
04-29-2009, 08:58 PM
terry's avatar is doin my head in........and there's a bug in my display!

ryvac
04-29-2009, 09:52 PM
can't wait to see the video. it's still transcoding...

btw, any footage is great but if can, a comparison with the EX1 would be great!

John Caballero
04-29-2009, 10:30 PM
Geeeez! Philip Bloom you make cameras fly! I just saw your footage. At least to me your first try of the GH1 was just amazing. There is absolutely nothing to complaint about. The pool shots are great! With basically no lights, wow. The color, the sharpness and hand held to boot. Wow, thanks a lot. Keep them coming. Can't wait for your Hawaii footage.

BTW: This was originally the 1080p AVCHD mode right?

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 10:31 PM
You're going to download your own file more than 13 times?

er no...but I think other people may!!

anyway the footage is online now.

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/04/30/panasonic-lumix-gh1-first-impressions-and-first-footage/

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 10:34 PM
can't wait to see the video. it's still transcoding...

btw, any footage is great but if can, a comparison with the EX1 would be great!

what sort of comparison? you mean side by side?

i can tell you now that the ex1 codec is way more robust...
the dof is more shallow with gh1...
low light will be much better with gh1...
ex1 is better overall video cam still...
but this little thing is going to be amazing...

Finster
04-29-2009, 10:39 PM
Screw the GH1. I want that Canon 814 Super 8 film camera! :happy:

Seriously - great footage Philip. You were using the kit lens the whole time, right?

Isaac_Brody
04-29-2009, 10:41 PM
Nice footage Phillip. For not knowing the settings this is pretty great first footage.

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 10:42 PM
Screw the GH1. I want that Canon 814 Super 8 film camera! :happy:

Seriously - great footage Philip. You were using the kit lens the whole time, right?

yep kit lens!

John Caballero
04-29-2009, 10:48 PM
AVCHD 1080p right? What shutter speed?

dcloud
04-29-2009, 10:50 PM
gh1 + live HDMI + KI pro = badass

philip bloom
04-29-2009, 10:50 PM
AVCHD 1080p right? What shutter speed?

yep. shutter speed varied. I kept it wide open most of time so shutter was quite high at times as you can tell and the inside stuff was at slowest speed of 1/30th

John Caballero
04-29-2009, 10:52 PM
Thanks. Again, looks excellent! I like the shots of the models. Very film like.

stephenvv
04-29-2009, 10:53 PM
Just watched the 1080p version. Wow. For $1500 bucks, it's a stunner. Sure the EX1 has a better codec and the Red more dynamic range and resolution, but man, this is the clear bang for the buck winner of any video cam. And unlike the HV20/30/40 or D90/5D, not hobbled by horrible usability issues.

Thanks a ton for shooting and posting this. Now, just trying to resist ordering a Japanese version...

Kevin Dorsey
04-29-2009, 11:37 PM
I downloaded the 1080p version as well, I think I've watched it about 5 times. It looks a lot better than a $1500 dollar camera has the right to look. I can't wait to see this camera with some ND filters and faster lenses.

This is much appreciated Philip. I bow down to your awesomness and your new short hair cut. If I had a helicopter I would loan it to you. :)

-Kevin

LizaWitz
04-30-2009, 12:19 AM
er no...but I think other people may!!

I think you're misunderstanding. If one person wants to download your footage 13 times and runs out of their bandwidth limit, that doesn't stop anyone else from downloading it.

You upload it, and hundreds of us can download it... that 20Gb limit is for each of us, not for the clip.

That's the nice thing about sites like megaupload-- they're designed for specifically this situation.

John Caballero
04-30-2009, 12:31 AM
I just watched the 1080 download and it looks fantastic. Philip Bloom you did great and it looks like you had a lot of fun down in Austin. I am getting my cash ready, can't wait 'till the GH1 hits the stores in NYC.

squig
04-30-2009, 12:40 AM
woohoo john likes it....that's enough for me

it's gonna be like dslr boot camp around here. we're gonna have to train up the next gen.

philip bloom
04-30-2009, 12:41 AM
Just watched the 1080p version. Wow. For $1500 bucks, it's a stunner. Sure the EX1 has a better codec and the Red more dynamic range and resolution, but man, this is the clear bang for the buck winner of any video cam. And unlike the HV20/30/40 or D90/5D, not hobbled by horrible usability issues.

Thanks a ton for shooting and posting this. Now, just trying to resist ordering a Japanese version...

i wouldnt get one...those japanese menus are tough!

John Caballero
04-30-2009, 12:57 AM
woohoo john likes it....that's enough for me

Its from Panasonic, mother of my HVX200, which I enjoy a lot, if only for the lack of shalllow DOF. The great thing is that I will be able to do journalistic footage for the web and be able to have screen grabs for photo illustration from the same source. At the same time I will hopefully be able to use it for a docu-drama about Greenwhich Village and a narrative I've had in mind for a while. Exciting times.

philip bloom
04-30-2009, 01:28 AM
thanks for all advice have gone for megaupload. looks like a great place for me to have some online backup of my work and for sharing large files. Perfect.

Will post a link of my review page soon.

henrooo
04-30-2009, 01:44 AM
Thanks Philip. appreciate the review and video from Austin.

squig
04-30-2009, 01:51 AM
pool hall looks cool, like no budget guy ritchie. shame you didn't have your adapter but the dof still looked pretty shallow. I'm hanging to slap some primes on this thing. That pom (hague) stabilizer sounds like it's made for the GH1

Uwe Lansing
04-30-2009, 02:18 AM
Congratulations Philip. Good shots for the first time. Nice colors and skin tones. Looking forward to your Hawaii lowlight footage with faster glasses.

GregGory
04-30-2009, 06:17 AM
Philip, I can offer around 250GB of bandwidth. If you are quick, another 280GB for today (it's reset at midnight). PM me.

Your footy looks very promising. I'd like know, did you use the default contrast setting or something else?

Oedipax
04-30-2009, 06:23 AM
Thanks for the footage, Phil.

One thing - am I going blind or is there not a place to download the less compressed version on Exposure Room? I've signed up, so that's not it... I can find the link on Vimeo, but the bandwidth says it's exceeded. On ER I can't find the link at all.

I will grab the Megaupload version when it's posted I guess. Thanks again!

DvxHerb
04-30-2009, 06:36 AM
I second Oedipax's question about the download.

Is waiting for Megaupload the only way to get it?

Thanks

dustwaterwindfire
04-30-2009, 06:50 AM
thank you for posting this, I feel I can go back to my life now that I have seen real 1080 footage, its been a long wait since monday. It looks to be real winner.

rumi
04-30-2009, 02:21 PM
I have a question to all of you who can view footage on a tv. dos the material from the gh1 look good when viewed on a lcd screen?
I own the nikon d90 and it looks fine on a computer screen hook it up to a lcd screen via hdmi and it looks bad. stairstepping, aliasing, and other visual problems.

so just wondering. every one seems to be impressed including me, but im just seeing it on my computer screen.

squig
04-30-2009, 02:46 PM
it's usually the other way around.

Kholi
04-30-2009, 02:49 PM
I have a question to all of you who can view footage on a tv. dos the material from the gh1 look good when viewed on a lcd screen?
I own the nikon d90 and it looks fine on a computer screen hook it up to a lcd screen via hdmi and it looks bad. stairstepping, aliasing, and other visual problems.

so just wondering. every one seems to be impressed including me, but im just seeing it on my computer screen.

I still own a D90. And here's my thought on that:

The D90 played BACK looks pretty good on a large HD LCD. It's not horrid, but hosts a lot of artifacts that you may not see several feet away.

The GH-1 is much more pleasing even up close to the LCD as far as artifacts etc go.

Image for Image, they both have very similar characteristics, highlight handling, softness, resolving power etc.

My LCDs are HDMI-in, a 36in 720 and 42in 1080, along with a 24 Gateway and a 22" Sony HD Production Monitor.

squig
04-30-2009, 02:57 PM
so you reckon the GH1 has the filmic look of the D90 just not as soft?

LizaWitz
04-30-2009, 06:50 PM
Ok, Vimeo is no longer allowing download of Philip's footage, probably due to bandwidth. I've uploaded it to Megaupload here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZYPJAGEM

If this is a problem, just let me know and I'll take it down.

philip bloom
04-30-2009, 09:48 PM
that's cool. Am putting uncompressed one there now...

just tried f14 nikon prime in low light

AWESOME and incredible shallow DOF

Coco Bermudez
04-30-2009, 10:57 PM
Hey Philip:

awesome stuff! quick question...can you monitor audio coming into the GH1? Also, where did you purchase your Nikon adapter? Finally...can we also see the super 8 footage and that lovely Canon Scoopic I saw on your video? :)

Coco Bermudez
04-30-2009, 11:49 PM
By the way...anyone knows where one can buy the GH1...even if it is from Japan?
I've looked online but google is not helping me...

philip bloom
05-01-2009, 02:32 AM
Hey Philip:

awesome stuff! quick question...can you monitor audio coming into the GH1? Also, where did you purchase your Nikon adapter? Finally...can we also see the super 8 footage and that lovely Canon Scoopic I saw on your video? :)

No headphone jack :(

Got adaptor from china off of ebay!!

Check out these pics. Footage to follow on my blog soon!

ydgmdlu
05-01-2009, 02:41 AM
By the way...anyone knows where one can buy the GH1...even if it is from Japan?
I've looked online but google is not helping me...
This is what you need: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1621537#post1621537

Rolly
05-01-2009, 04:27 AM
Thanks for the footage Philip, I'm sold... my D90 will be on ebay soon. can't wait for the GH1 to be available in Canada. :)

Coco Bermudez
05-01-2009, 07:52 AM
This is what you need: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1621537#post1621537

YIKES...that scared me..I can't understand a thing on that Japanese site....any other links? Especially the Canadian one?

Ruzo
05-01-2009, 07:56 AM
YIKES...that scared me..I can't understand a thing on that Japanese site....any other links? Especially the Canadian one?


What about the Amazon Japan link? Just change the menus to English (Top right corner...I think):

http://www.amazon.co.jp/Panasonic-%E...0936108&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/Panasonic-%E3%83%87%E3%82%B8%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB%E4%B8%80%E7%9 C%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%95%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9-%E3%83%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BA%E3%82%AD%E3%83%83%E3%8 3%88-%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%8 3%88%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF-DMC-GH1K-K/dp/B0021L90IE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1240936108&sr=8-2)

Rolly
05-01-2009, 08:26 AM
What about the Amazon Japan link? Just change the menus to English (Top right corner...I think):

http://www.amazon.co.jp/Panasonic-%E...0936108&sr=8-2 (http://www.amazon.co.jp/Panasonic-%E3%83%87%E3%82%B8%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB%E4%B8%80%E7%9 C%BC%E3%83%AC%E3%83%95%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A1%E3%83%A9-%E3%83%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BA%E3%82%AD%E3%83%83%E3%8 3%88-%E3%82%B3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%8 3%88%E3%83%96%E3%83%A9%E3%83%83%E3%82%AF-DMC-GH1K-K/dp/B0021L90IE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1240936108&sr=8-2)


133,322 Yen = $1593.00 Canadian Dollars, If there was a way to change the menu from japanese to english (later firmware), I would probably buy it right away...

Coco Bermudez
05-01-2009, 08:26 AM
does this mean that if I purchase the camera from a Japanese site, all the menus will be in Japanese or is there a language option?

Rolly
05-01-2009, 08:32 AM
does this mean that if I purchase the camera from a Japanese site, all the menus will be in Japanese or is there a language option?

Yes :Drogar-Mad(DBG):, no language option for now.

Coco Bermudez
05-01-2009, 08:35 AM
after looking at the footage, I am saying my goodbye's to my 3 month old d90...sniff!

Coco Bermudez
05-01-2009, 09:27 AM
No headphone jack :(

Got adaptor from china off of ebay!!

Check out these pics. Footage to follow on my blog soon!

Thanks for the info...cool looking pics....the dog one...sweet D.O.F.

By the way...do you have an Ebay store link to the dudes you bought the adapter from. So far, I ordered two different things from Ebay coming from China...1 year later, they are still somewhere in the world...not had much luck at international purchasing...if you got your adapter, then i would feel comfortable ordering from wherever you did

philip bloom
05-01-2009, 09:41 AM
Thanks for the info...cool looking pics....the dog one...sweet D.O.F.

By the way...do you have an Ebay store link to the dudes you bought the adapter from. So far, I ordered two different things from Ebay coming from China...1 year later, they are still somewhere in the world...not had much luck at international purchasing...if you got your adapter, then i would feel comfortable ordering from wherever you did

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370186356628

TrueIndigo
05-01-2009, 11:27 AM
Phil, are you shooting 25 fps (in 50i)? Kholi is reporting aliasing, are you seeing that? If caused by 24 fps (in 60i) pulldown, maybe the 25 fps option is better? Kholi also thinks it might be the kit lens, but you are now using a Nikon prime -- does that footage suffer from aliasing?

philip bloom
05-01-2009, 12:03 PM
here are my initial tests with Nikon Prime lens and low light. still getting some aliasing and not competing on same level as 5dmk2. But pretty good for a consumer cam.

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/01/lumix-gh1-with-nikon-primes-and-low-light/#more-2841

Kholi
05-01-2009, 12:10 PM
Sorry Philip, what do you mean by not competing on the same level as MKII? Do you mean the MK II performs better as far as aliasing goes?I haven't seen anything too atrocious, just distracting as far as i'm concerned.

philip bloom
05-01-2009, 12:20 PM
Sorry Philip, what do you mean by not competing on the same level as MKII? Do you mean the MK II performs better as far as aliasing goes?I haven't seen anything too atrocious, just distracting as far as i'm concerned.

sorry i meant in low light...getting same aliasing as you.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 12:23 PM
Yeah, looks like the MKii definitely still wins in lowlight. No real doubt about that. Looks like the MKii has more aliasing though from samples I've seen.

it is what it is!

PappasArts
05-01-2009, 12:49 PM
sorry i meant in low light...getting same aliasing as you.


Phil, at which point does the vertical lines come in ( asa/iso ) ?

stav1606
05-01-2009, 12:56 PM
not competing on same level as 5dmk2.

I think it would be naive to think that the GH1 sensor, which is almost 4 times smaller than the full frame Canon, will give the same low light results.

I so hope that the samsung NX will solve any problems the GH1 has... a lot of silence from Samsung lately, maybe something good is being prepared [fingers crossed].

Anyway, not to go off topic, the GH1, with its sensor is amazing even to be able to be compared with the 5D...

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:00 PM
Looking forward to the NX myself. Larger Sensor, but Samsung's hand in actual VIDEO is something else non-existant. So we'll really have to see about that.

Count on me grabbing one to play with for sure.

Zim
05-01-2009, 01:02 PM
So after having it for a few days, it is not a mini RED?
it is what it is![/QUOTE]

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:13 PM
First sight looked like some HPX3000 footage. I know what Barry meant when he saw it on a Production monitor.

After rolling through it and getting a grip on it, it's more like an EX-1 if the EX-1 had a larger sensor and interchangeable lenses.

It eats the Nikon D90 alive, and no matter what Nikon updates on the D90 it will STILL eat it alive because they will not fix:

A. Rolling Shutter ( I won't ever go back to this now)
B. MJPEG Compression ( The work around is okay, And the footage doesn't look bad after it's applied, still annoying)
C. Glass Limited to Nikon and very scant few others.

A and C are the biggest ones. I don't think ANY rolling shutter will be corrected in the D90 and youll be extremely lucky to get it in the D400.

Zim
05-01-2009, 01:15 PM
That still sounds pretty good. Nikon will have to do a new camera to fix all that...so you could easily see some films getting made with the GH1?

PappasArts
05-01-2009, 01:15 PM
I think it would be naive to think that the GH1 sensor, which is almost 4 times smaller than the full frame Canon, will give the same low light results.

I so hope that the samsung NX will solve any problems the GH1 has... a lot of silence from Samsung lately, maybe something good is being prepared [fingers crossed].

Anyway, not to go off topic, the GH1, with its sensor is amazing even to be able to be compared with the 5D...



If anything, the GH1 has killed all the HV20/30/40- HVX & Canon A1 adapter crap for good.

It has a higher MTF frequency resolution because of the dense sensor than those small sensor cams do. All is good, cause this is just the beginning. Nice beginning isn't it....

ydgmdlu
05-01-2009, 01:16 PM
I think it would be naive to think that the GH1 sensor, which is almost 4 times smaller than the full frame Canon, will give the same low light results.
See: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=169871

It's the because the 5D Mk II has bigger photosites and presumably better engineering. One is more accurate in saying that thinking a latest-generation $1500 (including lens) prosumer camera could come close to the performance of a latest-generation $2700 (body only) professional camera would be naive.

Zim
05-01-2009, 01:17 PM
One other thing,,,,how easy it to record, then download into a computer and edit. I'm using FCP. I just don't want something that is going to need a lot of work arounds.

stav1606
05-01-2009, 01:18 PM
Samsung's hand in actual VIDEO is something else non-existant. So we'll really have to see about that.



Why? The hmx20 was a very very decent camcorder. And if they are aiming to lead the hybrid market I am counting on their product... Oh I am so looking forward because I want to choose the best one and start shooting...

Exciting times

ydgmdlu
05-01-2009, 01:21 PM
If anything, the GH1 has killed all the HV20/30/40- HVX & Canon A1 adapter crap for good.
Eh, you can't forget that some people (not me) are obsessed with the full-frame field of view that most/all adapters provide. There are a few people for whom the crop factor actually is the deal-breaker.

PappasArts
05-01-2009, 01:23 PM
First sight looked like some HPX3000 footage. I know what Barry meant when he saw it on a Production monitor.

After rolling through it and getting a grip on it, it's more like an EX-1 if the EX-1 had a larger sensor and interchangeable lenses.

It eats the Nikon D90 alive, and no matter what Nikon updates on the D90 it will STILL eat it alive because they will not fix:


B. MJPEG Compression ( The work around is okay, And the footage doesn't look bad after it's applied, still annoying).


Not bad to be anywhere near the EX-1 for 1500 with access to way more lenses. And have a bigger sensor to boot.


Kholi I must have missed the Mjpeg discussion, where was that? Lightning fast threads, stuff gets lost quick....

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:28 PM
That still sounds pretty good. Nikon will have to do a new camera to fix all that...so you could easily see some films getting made with the GH1?

Definitely. I dunno about projection but then again, CRANK 2. you know?

it's all relative. And Mattias did some awesome work with the D90, as well as some others.

Imagine what they could ahve done with manual controls and no Jello limitations?

You're right, Nikon's gonna have to make a new camera, the D400 has an opportunity but I HIGHLY doubt it.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:30 PM
One other thing,,,,how easy it to record, then download into a computer and edit. I'm using FCP. I just don't want something that is going to need a lot of work arounds.

No matter which camera you go with you're going to do workarounds. It's not easy unless you deal with Edius or Premiere.

FCP is a pain in the ass, Cineform NeoScene makes it a little less painless. Much better than ProRes IMO.

PappasArts
05-01-2009, 01:30 PM
Eh, you can't forget that some people (not me) are obsessed with the full-frame field of view that most/all adapters provide. There are a few people for whom the crop factor actually is the deal-breaker.

However the crop factor is more inline with super35 which is for the most part, all films are lensed too.

People call it a crop factor, yet those that shoot 35mm film or even Red, don't refer to their format as cropped.

Funny how things can get so crazy with all this.

DavidNJ
05-01-2009, 01:30 PM
I think it would be naive to think that the GH1 sensor, which is almost 4 times smaller than the full frame Canon, will give the same low light results.


It is widely believed that the Canon is only scanning every third of its rows, so although it is physically slightly less than 4x the size, it is actually closer to a third larger (133% vs. 400%). The Canon would then also be asymmetrical, scanning 5616x1080.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:31 PM
Not bad to be anywhere near the EX-1 for 1500 with access to way more lenses. And have a bigger sensor to boot.


Kholi I must have missed the Mjpeg discussion, where was that? Lightning fast threads, stuff gets lost quick....

Nikon's got an issue with the recording where you have to interpolate lines in post.

The MJPEG from the GH-1 is better, but it's only 30P. =(

PappasArts
05-01-2009, 01:33 PM
No matter which camera you go with you're going to do workarounds. It's not easy unless you deal with Edius or Premiere.

FCP is a pain in the ass, Cineform NeoScene makes it a little less painless. Much better than ProRes IMO.

Are you going to try out Premiere Kholi? Isn't there a free trial version?

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:33 PM
However the crop factor is more inline with super35 which is for the most part, all films are lensed too.

People call it a crop factor, yet those that shoot 35mm film or even Red, don't refer to their format as cropped.

Funny how things can get so crazy with all this.

Exactly. As far as Im concerned the GH-1's "Crop factor' is non-existant. I'm not worried about Full Frame, it only limits your choice of glass for the most part.

I'm completely at home with the GH-1's sensor size or the D90's sensor size. The rest is just hair splittin'.

Zim
05-01-2009, 01:33 PM
Not really what I wanted to hear!!


No matter which camera you go with you're going to do workarounds. It's not easy unless you deal with Edius or Premiere.

FCP is a pain in the ass, Cineform NeoScene makes it a little less painless. Much better than ProRes IMO.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:34 PM
Are you going to try out Premiere Kholi? Isn't there a free trial version?

I have Premiere. I just have yet to actually use it. But I plan on it real soon.

I think it's just going to be better all around. FCP is so damned old hat it's ridiculous.

Zim
05-01-2009, 01:42 PM
I don't want to get to far off the thread here but you can't download video from the GH1 into FCP, edit and then make a .mov file without getting something else?

Is this just the AVCHD?

PappasArts
05-01-2009, 01:43 PM
Exactly. As far as Im concerned the GH-1's "Crop factor' is non-existant. I'm not worried about Full Frame, it only limits your choice of glass for the most part.

I'm completely at home with the GH-1's sensor size or the D90's sensor size. The rest is just hair splittin'.


Thank you, I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I love large format, hell my dad handed me my first 120 at 5yrs old. However different tools for different projects..

What gets me is people start wanting more than the very films/filmakers had used on films that got those same people to want to make films or docs etc in the first place. What, that ""cropped "" look ain't good anymore.. Lol

Poor Kubrick had no idea he was " Cropped". :-(.... ====> for Kubrick............

ydgmdlu
05-01-2009, 01:45 PM
However the crop factor is more inline with super35 which is for the most part, all films are lensed too.

People call it a crop factor, yet those that shoot 35mm film or even Red, don't refer to their format as cropped.

Funny how things can get so crazy with all this.
That's what I've been saying all along.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:47 PM
Thank you, I'm glad I'm not alone on this. I love large format, hell my dad handed me my first 120 at 5yrs old. However different tools for different projects..

What gets me is people start wanting more than the very films/filmakers had used on films that got those same people to want to make films or docs etc in the first place. What, that ""cropped "" look ain't good anymore.. Lol

Poor Kubrick had no idea he was " Cropped". :-(.... ====> for Kubrick............

Lmfao. SERIOUSLY man. I'm not shooting Jason and the Argonauts. Wtf do I want Full Frame/Vistavision for?

It only makes my lens selection that much more narrow. Sure, the lowlight performance looks STELLAR but whatever, the technology will catch up to that with smaller sensors.

Look at the Rebel TSI, that sucker looks great in lowlight as well. It's just a matter of time before the other manufacturers catch up to Canon's prowess.

I was really happy when I looked at the 14mm end of of the GH-1 and saw that it LOOKED like 14mm. FOV is not an issue with this camera.

I can't WAIT to friggin' slap the TOkina 11-16/2.8 on this sucker. EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

LizaWitz
05-01-2009, 01:53 PM
From Philips blog post he says "17Mbps makes grading almost impossible" (as I recall). Can someone explain to me why this is?

The color space in encoded video is what it is, but it would be the same color space at 24Mbps or 48Mbps. The bitrate and compression can result in artifacts, that's true, but I don't see how it would make grading impossible. The artifacts are going to be more significant at a lower bitrate, all other things being equal, but I don't see how that would affect grading.

When you import, you can import into a 4:4:4 color space or whatever....

I haven't done a lot of grading, so I am probably missing something....

Kholi
05-01-2009, 01:58 PM
It's not impossible. A colorist would probably respond "Whoo boy, you're really pushing it!" but they would never tell you it's impossible.

It's a matter of finding a process that compliments the post workflow as far as correction and grades go. Learning from one of my partners, you can do pretty much anything if your image originates cleanly and you export uncompressed for your grade.

Just dragging a ProRes clip over to Magic Bullet will probably yield unflattering results.

Also, you'll have to just learn how to work with the camera's limitations. If you think that your look is going to be so out there that the image will crack, then get close to that look in camera and tweak later on.

It's a good thing, too many people relying on the Power of Post Processing and not defining their look before hand.

asdfyoyoyo
05-01-2009, 01:58 PM
My guess is that grading exaggerates the artifacts or draws attention to faults in such a way that you can't tweak as much as you might normally. My guess is that playing with levels you're more apt to blow stuff out more quickly or lose detail quickly. But since I don't have the cam, I don't know.

DavidNJ
05-01-2009, 02:39 PM
While no one is saying it, at least not often, Panasonic appears to have traded some resolution in the upper mid spatial frequencies for low noise. The images I've seen so far have VERY low noise (no noise at all?) However, to do that, by my estimation, and I welcome more experienced eyes to provide a better insight, they sacrificed a lot of the contrast above what I estimate to be around 180-200lp/ph. Again, by my estimation, the Canon holds a very high contrast to double that frequency. The EX1 is about the same as the GH1, but drops off more gradually. However, again my perception, the EX1 is noisier.

I tend to examine the pictures in lab mode, and the colors in lab mode are very, very smooth. However, in RGB there appear to be some artifacts, such as the banding in red and blue that have been observed.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 02:44 PM
David, not so technically speaking, you may be right. But also remember that custom color profiles aren't being tweaked in the footage that you've seen. Hunter might have, I think the others are still pointing and shooting at this moment.

However, totally agree with the EX-1 comment because like I said, this camera really sings like an EX-1 with interchangeable glass and much better jello control. So, if that's what it is, then I'm okay with that!

mkeep
05-01-2009, 02:48 PM
I can't WAIT to friggin' slap the TOkina 11-16/2.8 on this sucker. EEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

How will you control the aperture? I really want one of those lenses but I wasn't sure exactly how it will work with the GH1.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 02:51 PM
How will you control the aperture? I really want one of those lenses but I wasn't sure exactly how it will work with the GH1.


...... I forgot about that. Lmfao. I'll probably just shove something between the tab to keep it wide open. No biggie.

Then control exposure with NDs, ISO and Shutter.

mkeep
05-01-2009, 02:54 PM
...... I forgot about that. Lmfao. I'll probably just shove something between the tab to keep it wide open. No biggie.

Then control exposure with NDs, ISO and Shutter.

Since I have neither lens I'm wondering if it's better to pay more for the much slower but slightly wider lumix 7-14 or just go for the Tokina and deal with the workarounds? Hmm, decisions decisions. :undecided

Kholi
05-01-2009, 02:56 PM
Since I have neither lens I'm wondering if it's better to pay more for the much slower but slightly wider lumix 7-14 or just go for the Tokina and deal with the workarounds? Hmm, decisions decisions. :undecided

I dunno, man.

That'll be a tough decision.

Vario = Wider, Newer, Auto Features (Focus, etc), Specifically for the Lumix but slower, perhaps of lower optical grade (who knows? I'm not calling it definitive, just wondering)

Tokina = Faster, Half the Price, Good Reputation @ 4K Video even.

TOUGH

Zack Birlew
05-01-2009, 03:22 PM
Nope, not sounding or looking good so far for me anyway. Granted, much of the footage looked a lot better than the D90 footage does as far as noise and resolution goes but I still see some of the same problems with flickering and rolling shutter, not to the same degree but it's still there. The color grading thing shocks me as I can really push my D90 footage a good deal. My current project involved moonlight shots and everything was lit with daylight fixtures gelled with full CTB. The footage came out looking very aquamarine blue and a touch green, as well as a little dark. With just some standard FCP color correction tweaks, I brightened the image up to a good level and pulled a lot of the blue back and recovered my reds for fleshtone, but I lost the moonlight look, so I added a second grade and reintroduced the blue cast over everything and it looked almost exactly like the naturally magical moonlight look we saw on set. Some image noise was introduced with both grades but it was very slight and went away with a simple noise reduction pass. I would hate to lose the ability to do that just for the sake of more resolution. Granted, this may not be the case with the GH1's footage, but this is the first project that has tasked my D90 footage so much and I've been stunned at how nicely it has handeled itself in the post color correction process.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm saying this as a current D90 owner and all I'm saying is that the GH1 so far isn't giving me enough reason to switch from the D90. The GH1's a terrific camera by comparison to anything else out there at its price point and I do agree that it kills off a lot of the low end prosumer and 35mm adapter combos, especially with the option to use practically any lens with some low cost adapters.

Kholi
05-01-2009, 03:36 PM
Granted, much of the footage looked a lot better than the D90 footage does as far as noise and resolution goes but I still see some of the same problems with flickering and rolling shutter

I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say Flickering. Are you speaking about Fluo and Sodium Vapor lights? Yeah, no getting around that with this camera so far.

As far as Rolling Shutter artifacts, if we're talking about Jello, the D90 is more like the first iteration of CMOS while the GH-1 looks to bring Jello to the end of its run. It's there, but you have to microscope it to find it, even at telephoto end.


The color grading thing shocks me as I can really push my D90 footage a good deal. My current project involved moonlight shots and everything was lit with daylight fixtures gelled with full CTB. The footage came out looking very aquamarine blue and a touch green, as well as a little dark. With just some standard FCP color correction tweaks, I brightened the image up to a good level and pulled a lot of the blue back and recovered my reds for fleshtone, but I lost the moonlight look, so I added a second grade and reintroduced the blue cast over everything and it looked almost exactly like the naturally magical moonlight look we saw on set. Some image noise was introduced with both grades but it was very slight and went away with a simple noise reduction pass. I would hate to lose the ability to do that just for the sake of more resolution. Granted, this may not be the case with the GH1's footage, but this is the first project that has tasked my D90 footage so much and I've been stunned at how nicely it has handeled itself in the post color correction process.The GH-1 stomps the D90 on all fronts. INcluding this one. Until you've actually graded GH-1 footage yourself, you probably won't know and that's a given.

It's just better on all ends aside from Aliasing. Then again, the D90 is ALL aliasing until fixed by Lee's and Mattias' plug-in.




Now, don't get me wrong, I'm saying this as a current D90 owner and all I'm saying is that the GH1 so far isn't giving me enough reason to switch from the D90. The GH1's a terrific camera by comparison to anything else out there at its price point and I do agree that it kills off a lot of the low end prosumer and 35mm adapter combos, especially with the option to use practically any lens with some low cost adapters.As a former D90 owner, the GH-1 destroys the D90. I'm not trying to sell YOU on a GH-1, but everything you posted is speculation, not factual.

I've had both in my hands at the same time. There is no contest, and I doubt there will be ven with manual controls.

Park Edwards
05-01-2009, 03:44 PM
all the means is there will be one more for me to buy

ryansheffer
05-01-2009, 05:47 PM
So, I just watched Philip's night shots while taking a break from coloring a feature. You can color his footage. All you have to do is look at it to tell there is plenty of color data. Is it going to have the range of other cameras? No, of course not.

But lots of coloring can be done to that footage. Also - it looks way better than the Ex3 footage I am currently coloring.

Rakesh Jacob
05-01-2009, 06:08 PM
Nope, not sounding or looking good so far for me anyway.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm saying this as a current D90 owner and all I'm saying is that the GH1 so far isn't giving me enough reason to switch from the D90.

Dude you have to have the visual acuity of Hellen Keller to compare the D90 favorably with the GH1. Watching D90 footage is like a pov shot for an epileptic or gelatenous alien life form. WTF!?

EDIT: Not to mention the manual controls, autofocus badassness, audio in, adaptable to any lens system because of the short focal flange... I think I just j--zed my pants :shocked:

Park Edwards
05-01-2009, 06:18 PM
heavily graded films/shorts/videos are bad taste...music videos i can see going overboard with. other than that, it's redundant and looks amateurish

Zack Birlew
05-01-2009, 06:50 PM
Well, perhaps my statements are wrong and a tade premature, they were simply based on many of the things being said on this board and many others, that was most likely the problem. Thanks for the clarification. However, I'm still not too happy with the footage shown so far, need to see some more before I make a final conclusion.

Also, Johnny, my vision is fine and the D90 isn't as bad as you make it out to be.

Rakesh Jacob
05-01-2009, 07:47 PM
Also, Johnny, my vision is fine and the D90 isn't as bad as you make it out to be.

I know it's fine bro (ur vision that is), but unless you want every single shot to be locked down, the D90 is VERY sketchy when it comes to CMOS skew... VERY

Pirata
05-01-2009, 08:29 PM
Dude you have to have the visual acuity of Hellen Keller to compare the D90 favorably with the GH1. Watching D90 footage is like a pov shot for an epileptic or gelatenous alien life form. WTF!?

EDIT: Not to mention the manual controls, autofocus badassness, audio in, adaptable to any lens system because of the short focal flange... I think I just j--zed my pants :shocked:

Glad to see the Hellen Keller analogies are still going strong haha :)

dcloud
05-01-2009, 09:51 PM
hey kholi could you post something like a review or a tour around the gh1?

plasmasmp
05-01-2009, 10:08 PM
Glad to see the Hellen Keller analogies are still going strong haha :)

I think people like to bitch more than they like to actually try to solve problems and make things work. If shot within tight llimitations, the D90 can look as good as a RED to 80% of people. I know you and I have certainly got plenty of comments from pros and regular people alike with some of our D90 stuffs. With the GH1, I think this percentage will be more like 90% of people cant tell the difference between this and Red. I love film, and I love shooting it, but you can shoot anywhere with these DSLRs and people have no clue. THe GH1 is even smaller and provides absolutely amazing features and quality for the price. Is it a RED? No. Can it look pretty damn close? You bet :D

Kholi
05-01-2009, 10:11 PM
Devil's Advocate Card: Everything looks the same on the net. Put it on the big screen or a large LCD and you will certainly spot the difference. Guaranteed.

From a RED, D90, Gh-1, Ex-1, HPX170, etc etc user.

That said, it's all good enough now. Just have to choose your tool.

ryansheffer
05-02-2009, 12:40 AM
I don't know how many of you saw this, but this was posted in the footage forum.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrHsNreo6HE

The man has a link to the .m2ts file that you can use cineform to make prores.

I did a really messy color of it to show that even at 17mbs there is plenty of room to make a look.

The look was done to show it could be done. I DO NOT THINK this looks good.

http://www.ryansheffer.com/GH1/GH1colortest.html

ryansheffer
05-02-2009, 12:42 AM
Also - I'm not sure if anyone talking about bitrate saw RED RAY running at 10mbps but I did and that would make anyone a believer that bitrate isn't everything. Granted, I know this is AVCHD...something totally different.

philip bloom
05-02-2009, 02:17 AM
working on slow motion stuff at the moment. taking forever to turn 50p into 25p in compressor...

Rakesh Jacob
05-02-2009, 02:31 AM
Glad to see the Hellen Keller analogies are still going strong haha :)


I think people like to bitch more than they like to actually try to solve problems and make things work. If shot within tight llimitations, the D90 can look as good as a RED to 80% of people. I know you and I have certainly got plenty of comments from pros and regular people alike with some of our D90 stuffs. With the GH1, I think this percentage will be more like 90% of people cant tell the difference between this and Red. I love film, and I love shooting it, but you can shoot anywhere with these DSLRs and people have no clue. THe GH1 is even smaller and provides absolutely amazing features and quality for the price. Is it a RED? No. Can it look pretty damn close? You bet :D

Dudes, Vengence on a Train looks awesome, you guys did a brilliant job, but you know who should solve the problems and make thing work, F-ING NIKON!!!

Saying that I have to be responsible for thier critical flaw is like saying that hydrogen ballons are perfectly fine, people should have just learned to jump from the Hindenberg little sooner! The Ford Pinto was a great car, drivers just needed to pay closer attention to what was coming up behind them! One of Lead paint's product feature is it's great taste, kids just need to learn how to spit it out and not swallow!
Had ANY OTHER product in a more mainstream market demonstrated such a critical flaw, the chances are really high that it would have been severly ridiculed and the company forced to recall. Fortunately the D90 never endangered any lives (potential for inducomg seizures aside) but let's hold these companies to higher standards and not just wet our selves every time we see "GREAT BOKEH"!!!!!:Drogar-Mad(DBG):

And seriously Vengance is badass, and you guys know it :Drogar-Happy(DBG):

RaviSun3D
05-02-2009, 04:23 AM
Philip..!
Kholi..!
Hunter..!

Can someone please upload some RAW footage anywhere?

I don't mind if there are only flowers and trees or beautiful faces. :Drogar-Shock(DBG):
I just want to see the original Compression!

philip bloom
05-02-2009, 05:10 AM
My first slow motion footage imminently up!!

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/02/kauai-sunset-lumix-gh1-slow-motion/

shot in 720p 50p mode and reconformed in cinema tools to 25p

Graded with Magic Bullet Looks...it held up just fine. Yay!

There is some raw footage somwhere on line...I saw a link..let me try finding it again.

mattsand
05-02-2009, 06:12 AM
wonderful stuff. did you push the contrast a lot in looks? my biggest, pretty much only actually, concern with this camera is that the latitude seems to be way less than for example the d90 or even my good old hv20. we shot a feature on the d90 recently and while it was obviously a pain with the jello and the lack of manual control it held up so nicely without any additional lighting in all situations we came across that it was worth it.

/matt

Uwe Lansing
05-02-2009, 07:06 AM
Wonderful + impressive shots...

sean90291
05-02-2009, 07:34 AM
Thanks for posting all this info/footage. Looks amazing. How does one use Nikon AI lenses with the GH1?

...

TrueIndigo
05-02-2009, 08:07 AM
Nice shots Phil -- were they with the kit lens or your prime?

EDIT: sorry, just looked again at the clip which you credit as the "stock lens". Impressive.

divide
05-02-2009, 08:45 AM
wonderful stuff. did you push the contrast a lot in looks? my biggest, pretty much only actually, concern with this camera is that the latitude seems to be way less than for example the d90 or even my good old hv20. we shot a feature on the d90 recently and while it was obviously a pain with the jello and the lack of manual control it held up so nicely without any additional lighting in all situations we came across that it was worth it.

/matt

Don't forget this was processed with Magic Bullet, this is not the raw latitude from the cam.

RaviSun3D
05-02-2009, 09:17 AM
There is some raw footage somewhere on line...I saw a link..let me try finding it again.

I am searching for RAW footage for last few days, but I haven't found yet...:embarasse

Why don't you upload some simple footage on Megaupload, as you said earlier.

mattsand
05-02-2009, 09:31 AM
Don't forget this was processed with Magic Bullet
that's why i asked if he pushed the contrast a lot in looks. :-)

Rakesh Jacob
05-02-2009, 09:57 AM
My first slow motion footage imminently up!!
http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/02/...1-slow-motion/



WOW Nice!!!!
I clapped at the end :Drogar-Happy(DBG):

philip bloom
05-02-2009, 10:45 AM
Megaupload is REFUSING to upload anything...been trying for days...must be my connection here...the raw footage looks great, I just wanted to see how well it held up to grading...

philip bloom
05-02-2009, 10:46 AM
Thanks for posting all this info/footage. Looks amazing. How does one use Nikon AI lenses with the GH1?

...

You use it manually, turn off lens control deep in the menus and buy and adaptor like I did from China on ebay!! Check out http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/01/lumix-gh1-with-nikon-primes-and-low-light/ for some pics and info

philip bloom
05-02-2009, 10:57 AM
Philip..!
Kholi..!
Hunter..!

Can someone please upload some RAW footage anywhere?

I don't mind if there are only flowers and trees or beautiful faces. :Drogar-Shock(DBG):
I just want to see the original Compression!

Here are the original & unmodified files contributed by SonicStates.

http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/Countr...lotest1080.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/Countr...llotest720.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/KimbertheQueen1080.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/TrainJello720.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/TrainJelloTest1080.MTS

Pirata
05-02-2009, 11:19 AM
My first slow motion footage imminently up!!

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/02/kauai-sunset-lumix-gh1-slow-motion/

shot in 720p 50p mode and reconformed in cinema tools to 25p

Graded with Magic Bullet Looks...it held up just fine. Yay!

There is some raw footage somwhere on line...I saw a link..let me try finding it again.

Wowza! Philip this footage rocks! Absolutely beautiful stuff, thanks a ton.

Ian-T
05-02-2009, 11:20 AM
Here are the original & unmodified files contributed by SonicStates.



For some reason the first two links are not working.

Pirata
05-02-2009, 11:21 AM
For some reason the first two links are not working.

Try this one, had to go to his main page to find it

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/02/kauai-sunset-lumix-gh1-slow-motion/

Daniel L.
05-02-2009, 11:23 AM
For some reason the first two links are not working.

Because it was taken from here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1626044&postcount=779

This forum shortens the URL and some of it was left out. Just use the original links found in the post above.

Ian-T
05-02-2009, 11:27 AM
Cool thnx. Most of these I seen in another thread but one of them is new.

plasmasmp
05-02-2009, 11:44 AM
Philip amazing footage! Was this shot with a 180 degree shutter? 50p (1/100) sec shutter?

sean90291
05-02-2009, 12:03 PM
You use it manually, turn off lens control deep in the menus and buy and adaptor like I did from China on ebay!! Check out http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/01/lumix-gh1-with-nikon-primes-and-low-light/ for some pics and info

Thank you. Just the info on Nikon adapters I was looking for.

Ruzo
05-02-2009, 12:29 PM
Here are the original & unmodified files contributed by SonicStates.

http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/Countr...lotest1080.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/Countr...llotest720.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/KimbertheQueen1080.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/TrainJello720.MTS
http://gh1.dark-stone.com/sam/TrainJelloTest1080.MTS


Is it me or the 1080p videos do not have a "filmic" look to them? The close-up of the cat would have looked much more "filmic" on the D90...

Park Edwards
05-02-2009, 12:32 PM
its you and they're shot in 60p

Ruzo
05-02-2009, 12:55 PM
its you and they're shot in 60p

Wasn't 60p only available at 720?

Park Edwards
05-02-2009, 12:57 PM
well, sorry, they're 60i.

Kholi
05-02-2009, 01:20 PM
Thats pretty much exactly why I haven't posted ANY footage yet.

RaviSun3D
05-02-2009, 01:25 PM
Megaupload is REFUSING to upload anything...been trying for days...must be my connection here...the raw footage looks great, I just wanted to see how well it held up to grading...

Hey Philip!

Try Mediafire or Rapidshare for uploads.
Rapidshare.com can hold upto 200MB and its fast too.

I like 'your' footages! Waiting for them! :thumbsup:

Ian-T
05-02-2009, 01:40 PM
Is it me or the 1080p videos do not have a "filmic" look to them? The close-up of the cat would have looked much more "filmic" on the D90...It probably depends on the mode you shoot them in. Phillip Bloom's shots certainly looked filmic to me. If you are comparing it to the D90 I think the softness of the D90 (I'm talking lower resolution) helped give it a different look. But this camera has several types of gamma like settings one could use.....it seems. But the interlaced look makes anything look like video.....AWAY WITH INTERLACE.

Ruzo
05-02-2009, 02:03 PM
Yeah, I think true 24p might have done it for me. "Almost perfect" seems to be the curse of Video DSLRs...

Park Edwards
05-02-2009, 02:10 PM
removing pull down in premeire pro takes 1second to do.

Bikergeek
05-02-2009, 04:29 PM
Philip posted this:

http://vimeo.com/groups/gh1/videos/4441911

Stunning as usual, Philip.

Justyn
05-02-2009, 06:00 PM
After seeing all of this.. I'm going to put my adapter purchase on hold an look to pick one or two of these us. Might be a great set-up for music video shoots and where multiple cams are used. Thanks to all who have contributed.

How are people shooting with this? A shoulder rig? Held out like a small form camera or face up on the cam like a still cam?

And.. is it possible to monitor footage out through either composite or HDMI? I would like to be able to use a monitor and also use the intensity card to capture if HDMI is or other HD output is working...


cheers

squig
05-02-2009, 06:41 PM
no live monitoring, only on playback

I'll be putting mine on a steadytracker

Eddy Robinson
05-02-2009, 08:13 PM
I have Premiere. I just have yet to actually use it. But I plan on it real soon.

Haven't had time to play in depth, but footage loads and plays back fine in CS4. Comes in at 29.97 though, unsure why; plays back fine in 24p timeline though. Didn't have time to dig into this yet.

Eddy Robinson
05-02-2009, 08:31 PM
heavily graded films/shorts/videos are bad taste...music videos i can see going overboard with. other than that, it's redundant and looks amateurish

Agreed. It's a great technique to have available, but (as is often the case) it's being worked into the ground on a lot of films and is going to look very dated before long. If you want to see an example of the technique gone wild, watch 'The Golden Compass'. There's a night scene that takes place on a boat that had me looking around the back of my TV for a hidden lighting crew, it took an important character development scene (at least in theory...) and turned it into a cartoon.

When the d90 came out one of the things I liked about it was the limitations of the image in terms of 'grain' and color, a lot of the footage had a gritty feel to it that I found very involving.

I like dirt and texture - so for me, the GH1's low light performance is actually pretty good (eg Philip bloom's pool hall footage, which I found hit a sweet spot between being sensitive enough to be evocative and dim enough to be mysterious and interesting).

Eddy Robinson
05-02-2009, 08:40 PM
removing pull down in premeire pro takes 1second to do.

Well, that's a second of my life I can never get back, Mr Fancy-pants. Look, in the time it takes to process film at the lab for dailies I could have removed pull down on 86,000 GH1 shots in 'just a second' each time. How d'you like them apples!

Seriously, he's right. I only did a few quick tests for but importing GH1 footage into CS4 doesn't seem to take any longer than SD video. In fact, I'm pleasantly surprised at hpw smoothly it's playing back on my machine which is good but not great.

philip bloom
05-04-2009, 08:00 PM
Engadget have picked it up and it's gone a bit Lumix crazy!!

10s
05-04-2009, 08:29 PM
How does this camera compare with the others?

Park Edwards
05-04-2009, 08:35 PM
it the suckiest camera known to date.

squig
05-04-2009, 08:38 PM
wouldn't shoot a roo with it mate

John Caballero
05-04-2009, 08:40 PM
You see Philip Bloom is guys like you that make the difference. You took the camera and bang, you shot with it. The footage looks great even though you hadn't even read the manual, then you grab tons of publicity! Thats the way showbiz works. And thats what we are part of. Laforet did the same thing and it worked great for him. Excellent for the engadget plug. You deserve it 'cause you take risks and do it well. Keep it coming until we get our own cameras. Thanks a bunch for your input.

ESTEBEVERDE
05-04-2009, 11:16 PM
it the suckiest camera known to date.


wouldn't shoot a roo with it mate


?????????

PappasArts
05-04-2009, 11:47 PM
?????????

Lol, I was thinking the same thing......

I will add too.......... ???????????????????????

;-/

We build them up, just to tear them down.....................

squig
05-04-2009, 11:57 PM
kangaroo!

philip bloom
05-05-2009, 02:22 AM
I now have an English pdf of the manual if anyone wants a copy... email me at philip@philipbloom.co.uk and I will send you details

Phil

P.S. John, appreciate the words man! it's been a manic few days responding to mails and stuff! But fun!

I can't share the manual any more at the moment...i will again later

Rakesh Jacob
05-05-2009, 04:44 AM
I now have an English pdf of the manual if anyone wants a copy... email me at philip@philipbloom.co.uk and I will send you details

Phil

P.S. John, appreciate the words man! it's been a manic few days responding to mails and stuff! But fun!

Unless you just enjoy getting a a$$load of emails, you might as well just spill the beans now LOL

Zacatac
05-05-2009, 05:24 AM
Lol, I was thinking the same thing......

I will add too.......... ???????????????????????

;-/

We build them up, just to tear them down.....................

They are using a form of Communication with SARCASM! :D :D

John Caballero
05-05-2009, 05:25 AM
it's been a manic few days responding to mails and stuff! But fun!

Good for you Philip, you really do great work. Thats the secret in this business, go out shoot first and ask questions later. Now you gonna get a ton more emails for that manual.

Peter J. DeCrescenzo
05-05-2009, 11:07 AM
I now have an English pdf of the manual if anyone wants a copy... email me at philip@philipbloom.co.uk and I will send you details. ...

I emailed this thank you to Philip privately, but want to share here, too:

Hi Phil,

You are a god among men. :happy:

The PDF file seems to "work" perfectly. Thank you very much for this!

===

Now I've got some reading to do!

philip bloom
05-05-2009, 11:59 AM
here is the gh1 with a mattebox on it!

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/05/using-a-matte-box-on-the-gh1/

philip bloom
05-05-2009, 02:49 PM
no more manual sharing an afraid...

joe 1008
05-06-2009, 07:08 AM
Philip, did yo have any posibility to compare the results of the PAL camera to the NTSC model? Is there an advantage of the 25p over 50i compression compared to the 24p over 60i (as I suppose)?

soundxplorer
05-06-2009, 08:01 AM
Philip, I have a question about this video:

http://vimeo.com/groups/gh1/videos/4441911

During the close-up of the fire (around 1:20) I see lots of horizontal line "glitches", kind of like what you get when the shutter is half closed during a flash, but not quite exactly like that.

I've seen these "glitches" in other Vimeo and YouTube videos as well, though they seem more apparent when filming fire like that.

Does everyone else see that too?
Anyone know the cause?
I'm thinking:

1. It's caused by compression or frame-rate reduction needed for Vimeo/YouTube.
2. It's because my computer is too slow to stream the video properly (or I need an updated codec).
3. It's an artifact in the original video (hopefully not).

If it's not in the original video, how do you avoid it when posting vids to Vimeo or YouTube?

SonicStates
05-06-2009, 08:11 AM
no more manual sharing an afraid...
Damn you Mr. Bloom!!!! I'll get you next time!!! Oh well, I think I have most of it hard wired in my head by now (yeah right)...if you change your mind I wouldn't be unappreciative if you would PM me :love4:

EDIT: BTW I'm liking that Matte box setup you have going there.

MatzeB
05-06-2009, 09:31 AM
Philip, I have a question about this video:

http://vimeo.com/groups/gh1/videos/4441911

During the close-up of the fire (around 1:20) I see lots of horizontal line "glitches", kind of like what you get when the shutter is half closed during a flash, but not quite exactly like that.

I've seen these "glitches" in other Vimeo and YouTube videos as well, though they seem more apparent when filming fire like that.

Does everyone else see that too?
Anyone know the cause?
I'm thinking:

1. It's caused by compression or frame-rate reduction needed for Vimeo/YouTube.
2. It's because my computer is too slow to stream the video properly (or I need an updated codec).
3. It's an artifact in the original video (hopefully not).

If it's not in the original video, how do you avoid it when posting vids to Vimeo or YouTube?

I think what you are seeing is tearing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing
It's not a problem with the camera.

philip bloom
05-06-2009, 11:55 AM
Philip, I have a question about this video:

http://vimeo.com/groups/gh1/videos/4441911

During the close-up of the fire (around 1:20) I see lots of horizontal line "glitches", kind of like what you get when the shutter is half closed during a flash, but not quite exactly like that.

I've seen these "glitches" in other Vimeo and YouTube videos as well, though they seem more apparent when filming fire like that.

Does everyone else see that too?
Anyone know the cause?
I'm thinking:

1. It's caused by compression or frame-rate reduction needed for Vimeo/YouTube.
2. It's because my computer is too slow to stream the video properly (or I need an updated codec).
3. It's an artifact in the original video (hopefully not).

If it's not in the original video, how do you avoid it when posting vids to Vimeo or YouTube?

download the .mp4 version. you won't see it in that...only in the streaming flash version on vimeo

philip bloom
05-06-2009, 11:56 AM
Damn you Mr. Bloom!!!! I'll get you next time!!! Oh well, I think I have most of it hard wired in my head by now (yeah right)...if you change your mind I wouldn't be unappreciative if you would PM me :love4:

EDIT: BTW I'm liking that Matte box setup you have going there.

if you ask really nicely i can sort you out!

joe 1008
05-06-2009, 12:44 PM
Philip, excuse me that I repeat this question but it really interests me: Do you have any thoughts about the PAL version compared to the NTSC version, especially codec-wise? Is it possible that the result of 25P over 50i is superior to 24p over 60i?

Alan Bradley
05-08-2009, 12:14 PM
Not to get too far off topic but it was alluded to earlier. A wide like the tokina 11-16 would have to be used wide open, correct? because it has no aperture dial on lens body? but how about a nikon D lens that has the aperture ring, can you adjust aperture manually on one of these lenses? obviously this is directed at Phil, Kholi or anyone else who might be using these sorts of lenses currently.

Kholi
05-08-2009, 01:13 PM
I got some 11-16 footage. Use it wide open or adjust it with something plugged into the Iris piece. I'm going to modify my Nikon mount to have a screw and pin system that'll open it as you twist the screw.

philip bloom
05-08-2009, 10:16 PM
Philip, excuse me that I repeat this question but it really interests me: Do you have any thoughts about the PAL version compared to the NTSC version, especially codec-wise? Is it possible that the result of 25P over 50i is superior to 24p over 60i?

no idea as only used the 25p version

squig
05-09-2009, 12:10 AM
Hey Philip does the UK model do 25p mjpeg?

philip bloom
05-09-2009, 12:13 AM
Hey Philip does the UK model do 25p mjpeg?

no, only 50p in mjpeg...avchd 25p

squig
05-09-2009, 12:23 AM
50p or 30p?

philip bloom
05-09-2009, 12:24 AM
50p or 30p?

uk version doesnt do 30p in any format.

squig
05-09-2009, 12:56 AM
understood, but is the mjpeg 50p or 25p?

philip bloom
05-09-2009, 12:58 AM
understood, but is the mjpeg 50p or 25p?

i answered you a few posts earlier!!! :)

squig
05-09-2009, 01:07 AM
yeah you said 50, but it sounds bizarre and I thought maybe you were on the piss

the manual you gave me is the US one do you have a UK one to refer to?

I'm trying to find out what the bit-rate for the 50p mjpeg is

philip bloom
05-09-2009, 01:10 AM
yes, the manual is the US one, don't have a UK one...and yes it is 50p and no I don't know bit rate off top of my head. sorry.

squig
05-09-2009, 01:16 AM
ok np

the US model does about 26Mbps @ 30fps mjpeg. I'm trying to establish if the UK (PAL) model is maintaining that bit-rate @ 50fps.

Uwe Lansing
05-09-2009, 01:32 AM
no, only 50p in mjpeg...avchd 25p

eh, now im a bit confused. So, the ntsc-model gonna have:

1920x1080/24p - avchd
1280x720/60p - avchd
1280x720/30p - mjpeg

pal-version:

1920x1080/25p - avchd
1280x720/50p - mjpeg
1280x720/25p - mjpeg

right?

squig
05-09-2009, 01:38 AM
almost except only one mjpeg @ 50p and 1280x720/25p AVCHD

erm correction 1280x720/50p AVCHD

squig
05-09-2009, 01:41 AM
I just can't get my head around 50p instead of 25p mjpeg. 25p mjpeg @ 26-30Mbps would be ideal for my filmmaking needs

Uwe Lansing
05-09-2009, 01:44 AM
almost except only one mjpeg @ 50p and 1280x720/25p AVCHD

Hmm...pretty weird. So there is a ntsc-version 1280/30p mjpeg and the pal counterpart is 1280x720/25p avchd.

divide
05-09-2009, 02:05 AM
No, GH1's mjpeg is always 30p (exactly 30p, not 29.97p) so it's not related to NTSC or PAL standard.

Uwe Lansing
05-09-2009, 02:19 AM
Ok - but the 720p mode differs insofar that ntsc has 60p-avchd, pal 50p-mjpeg!?

squig
05-09-2009, 02:38 AM
http://www.panasonic.co.uk:80/html/en_GB/Products/LUMIX+Digital+Cameras/G+Micro+System/DMC-GH1/Specification/2146697/index.html?trackInfo=true

the only thing different from these specs is that Philip says the mjpeg is 50p. But lets not forget he is a pom, and he's got a pre-release camera.

Uwe Lansing
05-09-2009, 02:54 AM
Ok - now it all makes sense.

DonalDuc
05-09-2009, 03:25 AM
European model - only 25/50 ?

http://666kb.com/i/b8rztnmw4hc29ft3b.jpg

akaloith
05-09-2009, 06:00 AM
guys i am a photographer, not a videographer so please be simple

will the pal version of gh1 have the same alising interlacing thing at 1920 avchd?
will it also need this pulldown thing?

xbourque
05-09-2009, 09:01 AM
guys i am a photographer, not a videographer so please be simple

will the pal version of gh1 have the same alising interlacing thing at 1920 avchd?
will it also need this pulldown thing?

Aliasing @ 1920x1080: yes, it will suffer the same as the NTSC version.

Pulldown: No. Since the camera is putting 25p in a 50i container, you can just play the footage straight up, no pulldown removal necessary.

-- Xavier

akaloith
05-09-2009, 06:38 PM
I can also now play the footage straight up but it has alising
You say the pal version also would have alising
Isnt the pulldown used to remove this alising?
So why in the pal version is not needed and in ntsc version its needed?

codeloss
05-09-2009, 06:44 PM
The aliasing is a separate problem, not related to pulldown or interlacing.

akaloith
05-09-2009, 07:00 PM
1)but doing the pulldown doesnt get rid of the alising? How is alising not related to pulldown since from what i understood so far pulldown removal removes alising?
2)alising and interlacing are different?
3)gh1 pal videos have alising, interlacing or both?
4)and in the pal version how do i get rid of what bad it would have since pulldown as you said is not needed in the pal version?

Emanuel
05-09-2009, 07:43 PM
Follow the link(s):

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1629095#post1629095

Hope this can help you out on your doubt.

E. :-)

note235
05-09-2009, 10:39 PM
Does this camera shoot in this mode?
Or is there a wrapper like on the HV series?
thank you.

xbourque
05-10-2009, 07:38 AM
Does this camera shoot in this mode?
Or is there a wrapper like on the HV series?
thank you.

No. This camera doesn't do pure 24p without pulldown in any mode.

You can shot 1920x1080@24p in a 60i wrapper (just like the HV series).

OR

1280x720@60p AVCHD... no wrapper. No pulldown to remove.

OR

1280x720@30p MJPEG... no wrapper. No pulldown to remove.

philip bloom
05-12-2009, 12:33 PM
here is my latest blog about shooting in Joshua Tree using the stock lens, and get this, Zeiss ULTRA Prime PL Lenses costing over $10,000 each!

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/12/panasonic-lumix-gh1-in-joshua-tree-and-pl-lenses/

all the below grabs are from the PL lenses apart from the rattlesnake which is on the stock lens

squig
05-12-2009, 01:38 PM
Hey Philip can you get the word to panasonic to please please give us 24p mjpeg and 24Mbps AVCHD.
There's a lot of potential buyers sitting on the fence.......and they are canon users.:grin:

philip bloom
05-12-2009, 01:40 PM
Hey Philip can you get the word to panasonic to please please give us 24p mjpeg and 24Mbps AVCHD.
There's a lot of potential buyers sitting on the fence.......and they are canon users.:grin:

out of my hands! wish they would listen ;-)

John Caballero
05-12-2009, 02:01 PM
Great looking shots. Can't wait to check the footage.

AdrianF
05-12-2009, 02:12 PM
The stills look super nice, as does the set up with the Matte Box and rails. I thought that this kind of rigging was a bit over the top for these DSLRs, but this looks pretty compact and manageable to still move quickly. Bring it on!

John Caballero
05-12-2009, 02:53 PM
Philip, are you shooting 1080p?

Edit: Never mind, I looked at the jpegs properties and you are.

PappasArts
05-12-2009, 05:02 PM
here is my latest blog about shooting in Joshua Tree using the stock lens, and get this, Zeiss ULTRA Prime PL Lenses costing over $10,000 each!

Interesting how good that stock lens optically looks considering those Zeiss ULTRA Prime lenses cost over ten times as much. Of course just speaking about the glass, not the chassis or mechanics of either lens...

philip bloom
05-12-2009, 05:15 PM
Interesting how good that stock lens optically looks considering those Zeiss ULTRA Prime lenses cost over ten times as much. Of course just speaking about the glass, not the chassis or mechanics of either lens...

The stock lens is pretty damn good. Just a shame it isn't faster...

ragamuffin
05-13-2009, 05:59 AM
The stock lens is pretty damn good. Just a shame it isn't faster...

The footage with stock lens that I've seen so far is too sharp and is more 'video-like' for me. I prefer warm and soft look of Zeiss lenses in Kholi's footage.

But looking at Phlip's latest screen grabs I start thinking that I won't sell kit lens right after I purchase the GH1. Looking forward to may 21st to see the footage anyway.

Thanks, Philip! Good luck in you 'Reverie' for Panasonic :beer:

philip bloom
05-13-2009, 10:37 AM
The footage with stock lens that I've seen so far is too sharp and is more 'video-like' for me. I prefer warm and soft look of Zeiss lenses in Kholi's footage.

But looking at Phlip's latest screen grabs I start thinking that I won't sell kit lens right after I purchase the GH1. Looking forward to may 21st to see the footage anyway.

Thanks, Philip! Good luck in you 'Reverie' for Panasonic :beer:

That stock lens is very good, especially for run and gun, I wouldn't discount it. After all you can soften the image in camera. The auto focus features are astonishingly good. Also not quite sure who would buy the lens...G1 owners?

ragamuffin
05-13-2009, 02:41 PM
Also not quite sure who would buy the lens...G1 owners?

Yes and I thought about Olympus camera owners too. Well, maybe I was too optimistic thinking that someone would want to by the GH1 kit lens. So it's a good thing I changed my mind even before having the camera :)

AdrianF
05-13-2009, 03:18 PM
I get the impression there are are a few G1 owners who would like this lens at a decent price:thumbup:

DiscoDapper
05-13-2009, 03:30 PM
I have a feeling a lot G1 owners are going to be selling G1's to get GH1s... which would net the lens too, but surely some would love to just get the GH1 kit lens if they have no interest in shooting HD.

GregGory
05-13-2009, 03:40 PM
Yes and I thought about Olympus camera owners too. Well, maybe I was too optimistic thinking that someone would want to by the GH1 kit lens. So it's a good thing I changed my mind even before having the camera :)

Olympus (regular 4/3") cameras cannot use a micro 4/3" lens, not even with an adapter since the flange back is too short (it works the other way around though, luckily). So if you do decide to sell the 14-140 I would suggest spilling the beans discretely in some Panasonic G1 forums. There are quite a few G1 owners interested in the 14-140, but find the list price quite steep. Oly will also release a few m43 cams sooner or later, but these will probably be too small to accommodate the 14-140 comfortably.

Btw, there's a guy in the DPreview forum who claims to have some quasi-insider info concerning the GH1 pricing. According to him, the GH1 will be available with the usual double kit (14-45 f3.5-5.6 & 45-200 f3.5-5.6) for roughly the same price the G1 is running for today, as soon as the G1 stock has cleared in Aug-Oct. Take it for what it's worth.

John Caballero
05-13-2009, 03:41 PM
A lot of stuff is gonna be shot with the stock lens. It was built especially for the video in the GH1. Also the camera has a ton of settings for color and image that can be used to manipulate the output. Including the softness or sharpness. Not much has been discussed on the difference between settings and how you adjust them but they are all there.

http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/gh1/creative.html (http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/gh1/creative.html)

Ian-T
05-13-2009, 03:43 PM
Personally, I'd like to see some clips wth the saturation turned up in cam.

squig
05-13-2009, 04:18 PM
I thought about tossing the kit lens but seeing as you can't monitor in a run and gun the AF may be necessary.

philip bloom
05-14-2009, 12:52 PM
I thought about tossing the kit lens but seeing as you can't monitor in a run and gun the AF may be necessary.

yeah don't toss it...you will be surprised by it's quality and range...

squig
05-14-2009, 01:21 PM
does the front rotate when you zoom/focus?

mico
05-14-2009, 01:28 PM
NP wrong thread.

philip bloom
05-20-2009, 10:24 PM
New blog on EU launch of GH1, also link to my new film "Joshua Tree" (locked until 10am local time when I will be showing it to the press at the launch)

http://philipbloom.co.uk/2009/05/21/eu-launch-of-gh1-and-new-gh1-short-joshua-tree/#more-3236

AdrianF
05-21-2009, 02:34 AM
Considering this was all straight from the camera and ungraded 1080, it looks great. The primes did look very nice indeed, especially liked some of the low light shots towards the end, though the kit lens held up well. Nice one.

Now I've just got to wait for it!

PappasArts
05-21-2009, 02:36 AM
Looks nice Phil; any chance you can upload a 720P, ER compression mucks up your short film and doesn't do it justice.

artforme
05-21-2009, 04:25 AM
Great video Phil. Loved the colors and the music.

mico
05-21-2009, 08:51 AM
Looks nice. Just curious as to why there are only two small short slow pans and the majority locked off shots. Artistic reasons or fear of creating codec issues.

philip bloom
05-21-2009, 12:08 PM
Looks nice. Just curious as to why there are only two small short slow pans and the majority locked off shots. Artistic reasons or fear of creating codec issues.

my style is generally static...surprised i did any pans ;-)

Ian-T
05-21-2009, 12:51 PM
I was going to say....

Rakesh Jacob
05-21-2009, 08:09 PM
Great work as always Philip!!!
Just curious, if you were to grade the short, what direction do you think you would take it?

John Caballero
05-21-2009, 09:02 PM
Dowloaded the Vimeo file, put it on a DVD and my TV. Just fantastic. All the lenses were spot on. The kit lens is excellent. Panasonic wants to sell lenses as well, so they are going to make sure they work. Slow? What the heck is that? Up the ISO, add more light. The shallow DOF is going to be there no matter what. At F/4 is there. I have no idea why people would think otherwise. There are a few samples out there showing it. The kit kens is perfect as it is, especially with the automatic functions tied to the camera.

13th Judas
05-21-2009, 10:36 PM
some people were just blessed with talent. life is not fair :(
:)

Apefos Adapter
05-26-2009, 01:24 PM
In the sonicstates and in the lemon soju footage there are compression artifacts in fast pans but in the phillip bloom footage (re frame) there are pans but there are no artifacts. I was thinking why the philip bloom footage (re frame) is clean of artifacts.

stav1606
05-26-2009, 05:10 PM
In the sonicstates and in the lemon soju footage there are compression artifacts in fast pans but in the phillip bloom footage (re frame) there are pans but there are no artifacts. I was thinking why the philip bloom footage (re frame) is clean of artifacts.
Do you think that it has to do with PAL vs NTSC?
Maybe the pulldown introduces the artifacts? Just guessing....

Isaac_Brody
05-26-2009, 05:16 PM
Definitely artifacts in the footage. No one should buy this camera when it comes out in a few weeks. In fact, everyone should just wait, wait for me to do my tests... :)

Apefos Adapter
05-26-2009, 05:47 PM
Do you think that it has to do with PAL vs NTSC?
Maybe the pulldown introduces the artifacts? Just guessing....

This is a good teory, but I think to know this for shure a test must be done. Put a pal and a ntsc side by side in the same tripod and do some pans to compare both footage.

Ian-T
05-26-2009, 06:18 PM
Sorry but the same artifacts exist in his video as it was pointed out before (you really have to look closely though). Run it through your viewer again (Quicktime) and do a step by step analysis you'll see them. The thing about that video was it was graded with blacks crushed a little. No matter what cam you use that has visible noise...crushing the blacks would hide a lot of that stuff (IMO). But anyways...look again.

joe 1008
05-27-2009, 08:34 AM
The kit lens is excellent. Panasonic wants to sell lenses as well, so they are going to make sure they work. Slow? What the heck is that? Up the ISO, add more light. The shallow DOF is going to be there no matter what. At F/4 is there. I have no idea why people would think otherwise. There are a few samples out there showing it. The kit kens is perfect as it is, especially with the automatic functions tied to the camera.

Right. I knew that most professional movies are shot at f/4. But I got drunk in DOF by watching adapter and MKII footage. The last days I've been watching very consciously Movies on TV and you know what: Most of them have a VERY similar DOF to the one of GH1 footage. Only in low light scenes, when they have to stop down, the DOF is very shallow. Wonder if they would have done so with a camera as fast as the GH1...

stav1606
05-27-2009, 05:54 PM
Sorry but the same artifacts exist in his video as it was pointed out before (you really have to look closely though). .
Can you specify where you see artifacts?
I am not even sure I understand what are these artifacts...