HPX170 with adapter vs. Canon 5D mkII ?

[matt9b]

Which is best for music vids?

HPX170 with adapter and canon lenses , or a Canon 5D mk II?

Will prob be using a Glidecam or something similar

Cheers

[matt9b]

anyone?

[wgzn]

"best" is a subjective term. but id say the workflow with the DSLR would be a lot more work.
plus glide cam and other stabilizers are built for the shape and weight of a video camera so the DSLR may cause headache there as well...

but then again, unless you have a remote follow focus, the adapter on the stabilizer may be a problem...

[matt9b]

"best" is a subjective term. but id say the workflow with the DSLR would be a lot more work.
plus glide cam and other stabilizers are built for the shape and weight of a video camera so the DSLR may cause headache there as well...

but then again, unless you have a remote follow focus, the adapter on the stabilizer may be a problem...

Thanks wgzn, I was forgetting about the follow focus issue - the 5D might almost solve that issue, but it can only do 30fps.

I was in fact about to get the HPX170 when I just noticed the 5D mkII was out on google the other day - always wanted the mkI, but now the mkII is out with HD video I'm struggling to find reasons to get the HPX170!

My suggested work flow will be to: film using canon 5d mkII , and convert to 60i/24p etc as per my preferences, by using twixtor or something like this.

Obviously I need to choose the best options for the image/film quality. I just can't believe I'm thinking of using an SLR camera to film on. Does it really use the full frame sensor to film?

I'm open to everyone's thoughts..

[booggerg2]

The shape of the DSLR has nothing to do with the fact that it doesn't work with glidecams/steadicams as easily as small sensor camcorder. In fact, the DSLR + lens in many cases is lighter.

When shooting a 5D2, or HMC+adapter, you are working with very narrow DOF, that in and of itself makes flying the camera so much harder.

The 5D2 will kill the HPX+adapter in indoor/lowlight. That is the biggest advantage of going DSLR.

[puredrifting]

I have the HPX170 and like it.

I am ordering the 5D MKII for a single project, if I like it, I will keep it. If something better hits the market soon, I will dump it and move on.

Two totally different tools for two different workflows. How experienced are you at production? I would say that the 5D MKII can be used to make really great professional quality work if you know what you are doing and don't mind a really inconvenient and convoluted workflow. As a video production tool, the 5D MKII is really hobbled by some real inconveniences.

I am doing a shoot next week for a large corporation. I will be shooting half a dozen 20-30 minute interviews, then handheld b-roll for the afternoon. One man band shoot, I have to handle lighting, camera, sound on top of producing the overall project, I am the writer, editor as well. Thankfully I have an interviewer to do the interviews while I shoot them.

In the scenario above, the 5D MKII would be a nightmare, not the right tool for the job at all.

I am shooting a doc on the road in June. The subject and myself traveling for a few weeks in Europe. Need stills, it is my own project and an artsy project where I have a lot of latitude about when and where I shoot. Some interviews but mostly lifestyle, b-roll, lots of stuff in low light. 5d MKII seems a perfect fit and will give me the low light and shallow DOF capability where I want it and I am in control of most of the shoot parameters.

Just depends on how in control of the situation you are shooting in, how much time you have and how skilled and patient you are. The 5D MKII lacks any variable frame rate capacity which I will really miss but I can do without it. For the personal doc, I care much more about "the look" and the 5D MKII will give me "the look" that the 170 never could.

Dan

[NC17z]

Nobody wants to point out ugh...cAn't control shutter speed/angle during video. You already know about 30p, so be prepared to increase the tempo of the song for the artist to sync to. You play it back at 24p it's in sync. Oh here's another Con Rolling Shutter. Go look at some live videos shot with Canon on YouTube of Nine Inch Nails. As soon as the lighting flashes/changes/strobes the rolling shutter goes crazy. I placed my order for the Hpx as soon as I saw that nightmare.

[matt9b]

Nobody wants to point out ugh...cAn't control shutter speed/angle during video. You already know about 30p, so be prepared to increase the tempo of the song for the artist to sync to. You play it back at 24p it's in sync. Oh here's another Con Rolling Shutter. Go look at some live videos shot with Canon on YouTube of Nine Inch Nails. As soon as the lighting flashes/changes/strobes the rolling shutter goes crazy. I placed my order for the Hpx as soon as I saw that nightmare.

Thanks for pointing out the NC17z, I found the vid.

[matt9b]

So, Pro/s Cons List:

Canon d5 mkII:
Automatic Follow Focus (presumably which you can turn on or off)
Good in Low Light
Full 35mm Frame
Smaller
Memory cards are cheap (£80 for 16GB)
can't control shutter speed
only 12 min one-shot running time
only 30p (but can use twixtor to alter this - I would just batch convert all up to 60fps using twixtor. Then do my edits in Vegas. Then export the entire thing to 24p in vegas)

HPX170:
No follow focus - would need additional follow focus gear
Not so good in low light
Larger
Memory Cards are expensive (eg. £500 for 16GB)
Film-like gamma (assuming this from videos on youtube?)
Native 24p and 60i

[Spartacus]

I believe you´re messing up "follow focus" with "autofocus".
If you want to do a lot of controlled rackfocusing, a followfocus with markers will almost become mandatory. Autofocus is sth you don´t want to use in most professional projects.
With a steadycam this also means using a wireless remote followfocus (do a search for "hocus focus" here), though you can live without, if you can work with the limitations.


You also didn´t mention which adapter you would´t use with the HVX, some cost as much as the 5D alone...
And P2 has become a lot cheaper since NAB, check the new cards...

[matt9b]

canon 5d mkII footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOHO_EphELA&fmt=22

hpx170 footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvdI5qZXK5g

[matt9b]

I believe you´re messing up "follow focus" with "autofocus".
If you want to do a lot of controlled rackfocusing, a followfocus with markers will almost become mandatory. Autofocus is sth you don´t want to use in most professional projects.
With a steadycam this also means using a wireless remote followfocus (do a search for "hocus focus" here), though you can live without, if you can work with the limitations.


You also didn´t mention which adapter you would´t use with the HVX, some cost as much as the 5D alone...
And P2 has become a lot cheaper since NAB, check the new cards...

Cheers Spartacus,

It's the HPX, not HVX I'm looking at. I would be using a cinemek G35 adapter.

The P2 card price I mentioned is a new one: http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=p2+card

[dcloud]

codec too. hpx has superior quality codec to a mkII.

however, mkII i think is sharper

[watson]

frames rates is the biggie imo, at least for a music video.

[NC17z]

Please, I beg you. Do not use the test footage found on youtube in order to help your decision. Please review the 100s upon 1000s of music videos that show up on all the music telvision channels such as MTV and MTV2 everyday, there you'll find videos shot with the HVX200 and now the HPX170 all day long. I have so many friends that have tried the Canon route and have failed. They tried to achieve everything in one simple purchase but fell short ten times over.
Want great looking music videos, look at what some of the pros did with a DVX100 and HVX200 on this forum... you'll loose your mind. Noah Shulman (http://noahshulman.com/) Hiro (http://www.studiorb.com)

[puredrifting]

You just have to realize that shooting video on the 5D MKII is very limited. If you can work within its limitations, you can get great stuff but the 170 is MUCH more flexible and professional as a video tool. In my mind, music videos are lit with a full crew, usually on a stage so the low light capability of the Canon wouldn't really benefit you there. Shallow depth of field is useful but overrated and you can get shallow depth of field with the 170 by using a 35mm adapter.

Dan

[matt9b]

Please, I beg you. Do not use the test footage found on youtube in order to help your decision. Please review the 100s upon 1000s of music videos that show up on all the music telvision channels such as MTV and MTV2 everyday, there you'll find videos shot with the HVX200 and now the HPX170 all day long. I have so many friends that have tried the Canon route and have failed. They tried to achieve everything in one simple purchase but fell short ten times over.
Want great looking music videos, look at what some of the pros did with a DVX100 and HVX200 on this forum... you'll loose your mind. Noah Shulman (http://noahshulman.com/) Hiro (http://www.studiorb.com)

Thanks NC17z, I'm looking at Noah Shulman's work now, it looks great. So I take it he uses the HVX200 and DVX100?

Out of curiousity, does anyone decent UK music video producers?

[matt9b]

Thanks everyone for the advice. I was about to bite the bullet and get an HPX171.

Just before clicking the 'buy' button... I checked out RED.com, its been a while since I was on there. I noticed they now have a new line of RED cameras planned for release very soon. They all wipe the socks off the HPX170! If I was to get an HPX170, its value would drop as soon as the scarlet came out in a couple of months. I have decided to wait and get the RED scarlet instead.

To be honest, I'm a bit surprised no one mentioned it.

[subtleinspiration]

I have decided to wait and get the RED scarlet instead.


Then you'll end up waiting instead of doing.

I suggest you get the HPX170 and start shooting.

[matt9b]

Then you'll end up waiting instead of doing.

I suggest you get the HPX170 and start shooting.

Not really - sometimes patience is a virtue- especially if waiting a matter of weeks can get a camera 10 x better for half the price, or 1000 x better for the same price (Heck, the new RED cameras are in the league of $100,000 panasonic's and can rival motion picture cameras). You will end up "doing" FAR more.. :)

[puredrifting]

as soon as the scarlet came out in a couple of months. I have decided to wait and get the RED scarlet instead.

Matt:

Thanks for the good belly laugh this morning. What? Wait, you mean you were serious and weren't joking? Oh boy! http://tinyurl.com/7af3u

Dan

[Angry Leprechaun]

Matt:

Thanks for the good belly laugh this morning. What? Wait, you mean you were serious and weren't joking? Oh boy! http://tinyurl.com/7af3u

Dan

Does this look like Vaporware to you?

Shot with a prototype 2/3" Scarlet with a prototype 25mm mini-RED Prime.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/uploaded/1_luckyxx.jpg

And don't forget, the Red One was considered vaporware before it was released, and now look at it.

[kyle.presley]

Matt:

Thanks for the good belly laugh this morning. What? Wait, you mean you were serious and weren't joking? Oh boy! http://tinyurl.com/7af3u

Dan

Are you serious? Let's not forget Izzy (http://redgrabs.com/izzy/)

[puredrifting]

Easy RED Fans, just joking around.

While it may not match the strictest definition of vaporware, can you buy one today? Can you buy one before June 2009? Can you buy the specific sensor size version you want before 2010? Has RED given any definitive delivery dates beyond vague ever shifting seasons of the year? I didn't think so. There is no such thing as a retail RED Scarlet, there are undetermined test mules in the labs of the RED building that have been named as Scarlets. How many times has the "Scarlet" changed body type, specs and price? Am I correct?

FWIW, I am just as hyped about the Scarlet "concept" as you are and will undoubtedly buy one if it is as great as everybody thinks it will be but in my book, if it has been hyped for years and you cannot buy it, it is vapor. I know that RED has every intention of releasing it, I am not saying that they won't, but for someone to put off a purchase of a camera to "wait for the Scarlet"?

If anything, cheaper VDSLRs like the Panasonic GH1 and Canon 5D MKII are the cameras that could possibly cause cameras like the HPX170/EX1 to lose value in the used market. There are plenty of people who own them and cannot afford them, they HPX170 and EX1 are pretty costly for hobbyists. Check in the Marketplace, you'll see it all of the time, people selling these because they need the money and probably over stretched themselves to buy the 170/EX1 types of cams.

Dan

[andyjar]

Easy RED Fans, just joking around.

While it may not match the strictest definition of vaporware, can you buy one today? Can you buy one before June 2009? Can you buy the specific sensor size version you want before 2010? Has RED given any definitive delivery dates beyond vague ever shifting seasons of the year? I didn't think so. There is no such thing as a retail RED Scarlet, there are undetermined test mules in the labs of the RED building that have been named as Scarlets. How many times has the "Scarlet" changed body type, specs and price? Am I correct?

FWIW, I am just as hyped about the Scarlet "concept" as you are and will undoubtedly buy one if it is as great as everybody thinks it will be but in my book, if it has been hyped for years and you cannot buy it, it is vapor. I know that RED has every intention of releasing it, I am not saying that they won't, but for someone to put off a purchase of a camera to "wait for the Scarlet"?

If anything, cheaper VDSLRs like the Panasonic GH1 and Canon 5D MKII are the cameras that could possibly cause cameras like the HPX170/EX1 to lose value in the used market. There are plenty of people who own them and cannot afford them, they HPX170 and EX1 are pretty costly for hobbyists. Check in the Marketplace, you'll see it all of the time, people selling these because they need the money and probably over stretched themselves to buy the 170/EX1 types of cams.

Dan

Someone has no idea how business works. If your going to get the upper hand on your competition, you have to have something better then they do. How is RED going to be able to do this if they go and blab everything they plan to do? That would be setting engineering goals for the other companies.

I think the RED ONE proved that RED is capable of doing what they say they will. If that's not enough proof for you, you can look up the pictures and videos that have been taken with the prototype so far. You can call up one of well over 5000 happy owners of RED products around the world and talk to them about it. And heck, if you really want to, you can go to the Reduser forums and talk to Jim Jannard himself.

Have a nice day,

Andy J

[Leo Versola]

Then you'll end up waiting instead of doing.

I suggest you get the HPX170 and start shooting.

My .02 - I agree and that's what I ended up doing... My philosophy is don't put off till tomorrow what you can do today. If you don't need to do it today, then go ahead and wait until you 'need' to do it. And 'needing' to do it can mean anything from paid projects to sheer impatience...

Besides, you can always sell your gear and in most cases, it will have ended up costing you far less than renting it for the same period of time.

Cheers,

[puredrifting]

Whoa Andy, no idea how business works? So all of those unsuccessful companies like Apple, Sony, Panasonic, Canon and Nikon have been doing it wrong all of these years? I guess I should tell them that they are missing the boat, they should be trumpeting their products years in advance of when they ship them. Steve Jobs will be all over this, what has he been thinking? Uh, yeah, good plan.

You obviously didn't read my post very carefully before commenting on it. Where did I say that I did not think that RED would deliver on the Scarlet? Oh there, where I said, "I know that RED has every intention of releasing it"? You need to learn how to read and process information in order to comment on it.

I understand about buzz and marketing, I have worked with top creatives at Chiat-Day, Grey and BBDO on internal and external projects for large multinational clients. I took marketing at school, regularly read Boards and Ad Age, I have at least a fundamental understanding of marketing.

What RED is doing is inciting a lot of foamers to foam more and pissing off a lot of what could be legitimate customers for their products. Whether or not that strategy will be successful is not really for you or I to say, we are don't work at or for RED. As the price ranges on the Scarlet rise for all of the options and sensor sizes, the clientele for those $17 to $30k camera packages rises commensurately from no budget hobbyists to professionals who may want to buy 20 cameras at a time. The fact is that RED's questionable marketing is alienating a lot of potential clients. I also find it amusing that a lot of buzz and mystery factor about the Scarlet has been stolen by cheap DSLRs from, yep, you guessed it, the Japanese companies that don't announce their supposed products years ahead of time, then change the specs and price on a monthly basis.

The more professional RED consumers have been becoming more and more disenchanted with RED's marketing strategy and other industry players have actually gone from fearing RED as a game changer to viewing them as something of an amateur hour, not for the technology but definitely from a marketing and publicity standpoint. Time will tell and I may be there right beside you in line for a Scarlet. Someday.

Dan

[matt9b]

You obviously didn't read my post very carefully before commenting on it. Where did I say that I did not think that RED would deliver on the Scarlet?

Hi Dan, I think Andy thought you implied it here:

"Thanks for the good belly laugh this morning. What? Wait, you mean you were serious and weren't joking? Oh boy! http://tinyurl.com/7af3u " - that links to a definition of vaporware, something that is never released.

[puredrifting]

That was just me being a smartass.

In my second post, I thought I clarified my definition of vaporware. Obviously RED will release the Scarlet. The $64,000.00 question is when and how much will it really cost. They have been vague and coy about exactly what will be needed to actually make a Scarlet a usable product. They recently announced that the development schedule was being slowed down due to the economy. So who knows when you can buy a Scarlet? That to me is vapor, something you can see but cannot hold in your hands.

Dan

[subtleinspiration]

Obviously RED will release the Scarlet. The $64,000.00 question is when and how much will it really cost.


And that was my point originally. I don't know if the Scarlet will become vaporware or not. A lot of people thought the Red One would become vaporware, but it is here and performing admirably (from what I've heard in my circle from people who have used it out in the field). However, there is no set date when the Scarlet will come out. You most definitely be waiting more than just a couple of weeks. The HPX-170, especially with the cheaper P2 cards coming out this month, is as viable an option as anything else that is available out there right now.

If you're just wanting to play around and you can do without a camera now, then fine, wait for the Scarlet. If you have a project that is coming up or you're looking to forge ahead into the world of video production, I suggest you get an HPX-170 and learn it inside and out before you go out on that first project.

[puredrifting]

Sound advice.

Dan

[matt9b]

Sound advice.

Dan

Not necessarily. I am certainly not looking to just play around, but this isn't the only thing I do, and I am certainly not sitting here waiting around as another of your posts suggests. If you would like to give advice, I would appreciate it, but without the "smartass" attitude.

[ANODIZED]

Back to the OP.

For music videos, the HVXs and HPXs give us the versatality of recording long form on higher capacity cards.

The MarkII is great for sit down interviews. But I've found it a bit limiting when wanting to just move on different scenes and quick setups that we've encountered during videos and concerts. As far as canon glass on HPX and Letus gives you nice look, but I have a lot of Nikon lenses so that is what I use primarily. With Letus extreme, the setup is heavier than a 5D but if you use enough lights, you can move quicker with that HPX Letus setup over 5d because you at least get manual control even when just deciding to go free with camera during your music video shoot

But the 5d, if yoursubject is not gonna move a lot gets you that superb sensor DOF. Unfortunately music videos are unpredicatable and require a lot of moving.


D. Alfredo Solares
ANODIZE
Northeast Producer/Manager
Skinny Crow Music, Inc. (ASCAP)
www.anodizeband.com
dennis@anodizeband.com

[puredrifting]

Sorry for agreeing with what I saw as a good recommendation from subtle inspiration. Since you seem to not be able to divine that from my post, here is my advice. Get off your ass and buy a camera that you can buy now and shoot whatever it is you are going to shoot. Waiting for a camera that nobody knows if and when and at which price it will come to market at is stupid.

Clear enough advice?

Dan

[ANODIZED]

I forgot to comment on glidecam. I find a 5D on a stabilizer like a Seadytracker extreme to be a little awkward in ergonomics than a HPX + Adapter but I am a big guy. I feel I can control it easier on a stabilizer if it's a bigger rig wether it's steadycam or fig rig, the 5D I guess we're just not used to following in linear tracking motion with a DSLR, the balance feels unusual for me.

And I say get a camera now and make some money with it. When the Scarlet finally comes out, sell the one you get now. Keep working on your people and shooting skills.



D. Alfredo Solares
ANODIZE
Northeast Producer/Manager
Skinny Crow Music, Inc. (ASCAP)
www.anodizeband.com
dennis@anodizeband.com

[wedieyoung]

Dude, seriously. I wouldnt trust in 1 censor with a bauyer capturing mode. I rather prefer to go with 3 ccds :P.

[Juergenheinemann]

I as well have been torn between the hpx /hmc / 5dmk2. But after reading this thread I am deffinatly going hpx. I had a hvx and loved it. Built like a tank! As for scarlet... Let's be real. It not out. Who realy knows when it's comming out. And the guesstimated price that I've heard of 3,000 ish dollars probaly won't stick. Ontop of that. It's just for the body. Remember, you still need lenses and all the gack to
make the thing work. You're easily up to around eight or ten grand by the time you've got all you need. Plus... I've worked on several features along side the red one. The last beign the new Hughes bros. Movie Book of Eli. You need an army of a.c. To run the thing. Buy what you KNOW is right and what is going to work. The site name says it all. DVX. And what's the new version of that? HPX.

[Spartacus]

I as well have been torn between the hpx /hmc / 5dmk2. But after reading this thread I am deffinatly going hpx.

Funny, I´m more and more convinced, the 5D is the way to go ATM. Owning the HVX and a 20D (meaning Canon glass) may influence that thinking.

And I´m actually pretty sure RED will deliver, but they will pobably (have to) offer less options.
A 3K$ cam isn´t THAT appealing anymore with all the VDSLRs available allready, but EVERYONE considering to buy a HPX/EX1/EX3 style camera, would rather spend that amount of cash on a tricked out (as in "made for video work") 2/3" RED Scarlet, than fiddle around with a pimped 5D or similar.
My 2c... :beer:

[alexdias]

I kinda agree with Spartacus remarks. But the Scarlet is not yet, so if you have to choose to buy 'one' camera at this time the HPX seems to be the the best choice.
Certainly the situation will be very different in 6 months with the Scarlet around and both Canon and Nikon offering new products. The shallow DOF for HD video is the new game in town and adaptors will be a thing of the of past.

[wgzn]

not to take this thread further off course but:

There is no such thing as a retail RED Scarletthere is no such thing as a "retail" red ANYTHING. last i contacted the folks at red (that was about 4 months ago the reality may have changed by now), there was still a 6 month wait from payment to delivery on a red ONE. and to me "retail" means hand over money and walk out with item.

if anyone thinks they will be able to order and take delivery of any model of scarlet before the end of this year, id call them extremely optimistic if not delusional.

and again, like dan, im VERY excited and anxious to see how the scarlet eventually flushes out. but if i were making purchase decisions regarding work in this calendar year, a scarlet wouldnt even enter the discussion.

but i digress, the subject of this thread is the 5D not the scarlet

[alexdias]

I'm not so sure about retail REDs but I can rent a RED One package pretty much anywhere I have ever filmed in minutes.
So as far as using a "real camera" the RED One have been an option for a while and I have worked with it a few times already.
The Scarlet is another story... but It will happen one day or another and it will make the game even more interesting.

[Spiral]

I enjoyed this thread, thanks for your expertise! If anyone is still reading this thread, these are my thoughts.....

I have to say that, Matt (if you are still here,) Dan may have come off snarky, but there is a reason for that. He wants to see you get out there and produce NOW, and that is very sound advice.

I am having this same discussion with a friend/associate at this very moment. Both of us are contemplating purchasing in HD, but I have a camera and he is still saving for one. He's talking 5D/HPX/RED...etc etc......The thing you need to do - is- SHOOT! Its not so much the medium, its the message! Come up with some solid work, and people will hire you and trust you.

I had a music teacher one who inspired me with one simple comment. I told him "I have been thinking about playing an instrument for a while." He replied, "Well, in 10 years you could be thinking about playing said instrument for 10 years, or you can say you have been playing for 10 years!"

At the very least, buy a good consumer HD camera, or a DVX, and shoot NOW NOW NOW. Amass a reel and some fine work.....then the equipment (and the money to pay for it,) will come.

(Whisper...) "If you build it, they will come!." (sorry, I had to do it ;)

Good luck whatever you decide!

[opatica]

My choice was using my hp170 with my bran new letus elite bundle. Ready to shoot, coming out of the plane in Montreal. But some stupid over curious person at the airport opened the hard solid protective case, probably dropped it, shattered the lense and the prism inside, lost a few parts (includin a battery connector inside that got out so much it was a viokent shock!!! and no one at the airline will ever give a dam and I have to postpone shoot, pay 1000$ US to have it repair.... (out of topic but I had to share) DONT trust airlines!!

[matt9b]

I enjoyed this thread, thanks for your expertise! If anyone is still reading this thread, these are my thoughts.....

I have to say that, Matt (if you are still here,) Dan may have come off snarky, but there is a reason for that. He wants to see you get out there and produce NOW, and that is very sound advice.

I am having this same discussion with a friend/associate at this very moment. Both of us are contemplating purchasing in HD, but I have a camera and he is still saving for one. He's talking 5D/HPX/RED...etc etc......The thing you need to do - is- SHOOT! Its not so much the medium, its the message! Come up with some solid work, and people will hire you and trust you.

I had a music teacher one who inspired me with one simple comment. I told him "I have been thinking about playing an instrument for a while." He replied, "Well, in 10 years you could be thinking about playing said instrument for 10 years, or you can say you have been playing for 10 years!"

At the very least, buy a good consumer HD camera, or a DVX, and shoot NOW NOW NOW. Amass a reel and some fine work.....then the equipment (and the money to pay for it,) will come.

(Whisper...) "If you build it, they will come!." (sorry, I had to do it ;)

Good luck whatever you decide!

Hi Spiral,

Yes I understand, but that's under the assumption that I'm looking to get hired, which I'm not... :)

Thanks all for the advice. I've given up waiting for the Red Scarlet, and went for Panny's GH1 until the reds come out. The reason I want a red, is to be able to re-frame and pan in the picture without losing quality. Whilst with the GH1 I will have to make sure I get the shot right in shooting.

Matt

[Spiral]

Hi Spiral,

Yes I understand, but that's under the assumption that I'm looking to get hired, which I'm not... :)

Thanks all for the advice. I've given up waiting for the Red Scarlet, and went for Panny's GH1 until the reds come out. The reason I want a red, is to be able to re-frame and pan in the picture without losing quality. Whilst with the GH1 I will have to make sure I get the shot right in shooting.

Matt


HI again, Matt,

Excellent on your purchase of the Gh-1, congratulations!

Making the decision to buy and shoot is all I was speaking of. Even on a shoot a few weeks ago (where I was lighting, not shooting,) I always learn something. I am sure that if you went out and shot flowers, or something trivial, you would still learn something.

As you probably know, even if you do not want to be hired, ever time you take that GH-1 out and shoot with it, it will get you further down the road and you may even have something "reel worthy" by the end. A reel has many other fine uses besides looking for work. Its a testament of who you are and what your style and voice as a filmmaker is.

But the really cool thing is that (now) you have it, you have SOMETHING, and now the fun begins (continues ) :happy:

Please post some footage soon! :thumbsup: