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dbwolfe
04-22-2009, 08:03 AM
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/04/22/sonnet.preps.card.reader/

ecking
04-22-2009, 08:44 AM
Dammit, I don't need something like this. I just need a simple 1 slot p2 reader that is USB based like the Sony one for sxs cards. I don't care if it's a slower method it's what I need in the field and would be good to go with a rental too. I'd pay 250 for that, why won't anyone make such a simple thing? The macbook I'm using does not have express card and I don't want a laptop that large or strong, what I've got is more than good enough for dumping footage.

puredrifting
04-22-2009, 08:53 AM
P2 has been out a long time. I would say that for some reason, a low cost single slot reader is not a large priority for Panasonic, the development costs may be too high and perhaps they don't think it would be profitable?

There is already the Duel Adapter for laptop users and I guess the thinking is that tower users can use a camera to offload.

It would be nice but I don't see it happening.

Dan

ecking
04-22-2009, 09:01 AM
Not all laptops have expresscard, my 13" aluminum MacBook doesn't even though it's more than good enough to offload footage. People are still using G4 PowerBooks to dump footage with, and my MacBook is several times stronger than that. Why should I be left in the cold because people claim it's consumer machine? I chose to get a MacBook because of size I didn't get it because I couldn't afford a MacBook pro. That said the duel adapted is a pos anyway with numerous problems, I just want a simple one like the Sony piece.

PhantomVideo
04-23-2009, 12:34 AM
why don't just get a PC laptop cheap as chips, IBM lenovo still has a PCMCIA slot then just network it to your mac later, or FAT32 drive

cheezweezl
04-23-2009, 12:44 AM
used powerbook g4 with pcmcia slot can be had for $300 on ebay. great for dumping p2.

ecking
04-23-2009, 11:37 AM
Because I already own a machine better than both of those. The solution of "there's no way under $1000 to offload P2 through usb so just buy yet another computer" is crazy. Don't you guys think that's a little extreme. Something like this ( http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/526430-REG/Sony_SBAC_US10_SBAC_US10_SxS_Memory_Card.html )is all it takes and frankly even that is overpriced when you think about it.

I'm gonna keep shouting from the mountain tops that panasonic should make a simple single slot USB p2 reader. I don't care if it's slower than other methods, it's needed. I'm not even trying to transfer it into my nle, I just want to copy it to my computer's internal drive so I can move it at a later date. As it is I use USB out of the camera to transfer to my macs most of the time anyways and I've got no problem taking it right into final cut. All I'm asking is to for panasonic to let me give them another 200-300 dollars for the simplest of items. Just make it Panasonic, just make it.

mikkowilson
04-23-2009, 06:46 PM
The thing is, all P2 card readers ARE computers.

(Adapters to Expresscard don't count)

- Mikko

Manuel
04-23-2009, 07:44 PM
Hey ecking I'm in the same boat in a few month. I want to go tapeless with P2 and the HPX170 and I have a Macbook which I really like because of the formfactor and leopard.
I also want to see a solution for this problem or I go with the HMC150 :-) but now with the better price of P2 the HPX170 is the better choice.

puredrifting
04-23-2009, 07:49 PM
$1,000.00 for a card reader? I don't think so. I am so glad that I am one of the few, the proud, the Duel owners who have had ZERO trouble with the Duel.

Dan

ecking
04-24-2009, 02:03 PM
The thing is, all P2 card readers ARE computers.

(Adapters to Expresscard don't count)

- Mikko

I don't understand what you mean by that. I'm looking to connect a p2 card to the computer I already have, not replace the computer in this equation. P2 cards haven't been just for expensive cameras for a long time, it doesn't make sense to buy a $2000 (or more) piece to offload from a $5000 camera. Among the 200 and 170 users a simple card reader like the one I want would arguably have a higher attach rate than any existing card reader they or a third party sell. I doubt there are people who were gonna get the $2000 multi slot, multi connection piece are gonna instead opt for the $250 card reader.

Barry_Green
04-24-2009, 03:32 PM
EVERYONE wants a simple reader. It doesn't exist.

Well, it does exist, but only to ExpressCard. You can't go PCMCIA to USB cheaply with the P2 cards. There needs to be intelligent electronics on the other side that can translate the P2 information to the USB bus. You can do it with the Sony because the Expresscard standard supports both PCI Express and USB technologies inherently.

If it was easy, someone would have done it five years ago.

ecking
04-26-2009, 10:40 PM
No offense Barry but things change all the time. I've been in debates on this board with you and others about cf cards vs p2 cards and cf chips vs the chips used in p2 cards. I was constantly told no, told those chips weren't good enough, cheaper p2 cards could not be a reality, etc, etc. Check my post history and see for yourself. But here we are years later and that's all changed. In the realm of p2 to pc transfer it can too, it just takes enough effort.

I'm not asking for it to not have "intelligent electronics" if that's what's needed, go ahead and put them in, make the piece cost $400, I'd still buy it, other people would too (but it wouldn't have to cost that much). I've used and sold the AJ-PCD20 to people. In fact I've sold a lot of p2 products to a lot of people working for a big pro video/film reseller here in Canada. The AJ-PCD10 before that only had USB as it's external computer connection. You're giving these pieces way too much credit, they aren't that complicated and a single p2 slot non-internal usb only one would only serve to simplify it's design, electronics and manufacture.

If they can make 16gb p2 cards (which are supposed to be complicated pieces in themselves) how can they not have the technology, or the profit margin to make an external only, single slot, usb reader for under $400 ($399) with all the r&d they've put into the p2 product line, since what now 2003?

The only reason they don't is they get away with not having to. If there was no competition and people weren't asking for cheaper p2 cards, why make an alternative and why change pricing? If there is one thing we've pretty much proven it is that we get listened too and we get results when we yell what we want to the companies we support.

And I am yelling.

ullanta
04-26-2009, 11:02 PM
Because I already own a machine better than both of those.

Apparently not...?

Anyway, here's a 2-slot reader which will likely go for less than $250, and connects directly to your MacBook via Gig-E: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-ThinkPad-T42-1-7GHz-1GB-XP-WiFi-DVD-14-Laptop_W0QQitemZ300309584023QQihZ020QQcategoryZ177 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

David Jimerson
04-27-2009, 07:13 AM
And I am yelling.

Yes. And you're yelling about something which has been yelled about for years.

If it were as easy as you say, someone would have done it.

Look, you bought an inappropriate computer for the use you want to put it toward. That's not on anyone else.

Barry_Green
04-27-2009, 08:54 AM
The product doesn't exist. We wish it did, but it doesn't. There are USB readers available, but they cost $2,000. If it could be done cheaply, it would be done cheaply. I'd contract some manufacturer and start making and selling them right now. But it can't be done, not at a price point that makes it practical.

The Qio drops the price of entry to $1,000 and adds eSATA. That's a big step in the right direction.

Now, if you actually want a workable solution that will work today, right now, and is far less than $400, go with what ullanta posted. That works. It's cheap, and it works, and it's much faster than USB ever would be.

PhantomVideo
04-27-2009, 03:40 PM
ifs its just for offloading, unless your cutting in the field, why do you care you've got 1k to spend, by an 800 dollar laptop

Tom 4
04-29-2009, 05:02 AM
As I understand it from my tests, a simple USB reader as this--
http://www.elandigitalsystems.com/usb/u142.php
it could be a reader of P2 cards "IF" drivers were written and chip set recognized by the host, BUT, even if they did write drivers it would be so slow (at best about 10mbs) it would have you screaming for your money back....
the Sonnet Qio is on my list when it hits the market, it will Make my Amtron on my Macpro a second back-up unit.

If you want the cheapest thrill get the Duel...or an old lappy as posted earlier...or use your camera..

Cheers
Tom K
olinevideo.com.au (http://www.olinevideo.com.au/index.htm)

ecking
04-29-2009, 10:01 PM
Apparently not...?

Anyway, here's a 2-slot reader which will likely go for less than $250, and connects directly to your MacBook via Gig-E: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-ThinkPad-T42-1-7GHz-1GB-XP-WiFi-DVD-14-Laptop_W0QQitemZ300309584023QQihZ020QQcategoryZ177 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

When connected with gig-E it'll show up the same way as if I connected the camera to my macbook?

ullanta
04-29-2009, 10:07 PM
Yup... it'll be a shared volume. You just select it (them) in the Log and Transfer window of FCP...

Jarek Zabczynski
05-05-2009, 04:16 PM
Anyone have anymore info on the Qio? More pictures? All I can find are the same two crappy cameraphone shots.

Tom 4
05-06-2009, 12:46 AM
Hi Jester
Try this-- for size....Nice .. I have mine on order.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/31982/1241595809.jpg%5B/IMG%5D
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/31982/1241595809.jpg
This NAB QIO brochure on my site too.
http://www.olinevideo.com.au/page12.htm


Cheers
Tom K
olinevideo.com.au (http://www.olinevideo.com.au/index.htm)

Jarek Zabczynski
05-06-2009, 01:25 PM
Nice! I like that if I get this it simply replaces my sata card. What I don't like is the price. I think $499 would be the sweet spot for one of these. Even that would be a bit steep.

puredrifting
05-06-2009, 03:44 PM
But how much do the Pansonic alternatives cost? I think that people like Tom are thrilled with this solution, even if it may be perceived by some as still too expensive. When you are a monopoly (only sub $1,000.00 multi-slot P2 card reader), you can set your own price. No competition.

Dan

Tom 4
05-06-2009, 04:06 PM
Some people are never happy with price points even if the they got it for nothing !, that even includes me at times, sure we'd all like it cheaper, but hey, lots of development to get it to market, I personally don't begrudge them a profit for their efforts.

Try building your own reader cheap for the Mac, it can be done I've proved it. biggest issue is that PC card technology is outdated , thus it's expensive to develop, the newer faster/cheaper expresscard is now king of connections, until the next thing comes along.

This reader is a great innovative solution, sad that pana had not come up with a simmilar product at that price point , it may have boosted sales/take-up of P2 over Sony's offerings, the pana readers cost have been a bug bear for many, I suppose pana may have over spec'd theirs , who knows, Time will tell if sonnet "clean up" with this little addition to their product line, I believe they will as they have made it more than just a P2 reader , that alone will make it attractive to many many others like the photo guys and dread I say it, even Sony guys.

It may become known as the only "true universal reader", Good luck to them, I can't wait for performance reports.

I'd consider this solid state card reader "True Multi Format" , By comparison, if it was an old fashioned VTR it would be able to read many formats from say Mini DV thru to Broadcast HD, "great value" when you look at it that way.

Cheers
Tom K
olinevideo.com.au (http://www.olinevideo.com.au/index.htm)

nsoltz
05-18-2009, 07:38 AM
I see tremendous value in the Qio for editors and facilities who deal with multiple formats of solid state media. This is an all-in-one device with a port multiplying eSata interface that can deal with anything you throw at it.

My greater question, though, to Dan and others whose glass of cool aid still sits before them is at what price point would you consider such a device to have appeal?

Ned Soltz

puredrifting
05-18-2009, 08:48 AM
I agree with Jester, under $500.00 would probably be the ideal price point.

Dan

David Saraceno
05-18-2009, 10:57 AM
This device looks great.

But it's still too expensive.

A $499 price point would be a great seller.

What is interesting is that this can be built and can be sold at the higher price.

Take some of the margin out of it, and why can't Panasonic do it just for p2 cards?

I don't think Panasonic has less resources than Sonnet.

Tom 4
05-19-2009, 02:25 AM
First time I asked a pana dealer about a card reader they told me most guys buy the "whole Kit" ie Cam/cards/reader/sticks and so on in One Purchase.
I don't do that, and I suspect many others don't either.
If That's pana's plan well no wonder they have kept their prices at a premium, But, now with the more cost effective E-series cards, I bet some more price drops are around the corner.
If the Sonnet Qio becomes a stand out winner product (time will tell), I doubt whether anyone will need to buy the much more expensive and limited to P2 only pana card readers.
Personally I'd like the sonnet Qio at a cheaper price too But, it's their call, as is Pana's call on their reader products.
the Qio being the price of an average laptop dosen't put me off, I will only have to buy it once, and to have all those features is amazing.... it will find many homes throughout the world.

Cheers
Tom K
olinevideo.com.au (http://www.olinevideo.com.au/index.htm)

Rocketeer
05-20-2009, 02:04 PM
Tom, who did you do a pre-order with?

Tom 4
05-20-2009, 04:51 PM
Tom, who did you do a pre-order with?

Downunder here I ordered thru Digistor in Melbourne, http://www.digistor.com.au/content.php?s=6&p=38
IMHO they are great at there job, If your in the US, just use Sonnets web sales, good guys to deal with too.
Unlike many companies these days they answer every enquiry.

I note your in the land of the "long white sheep", sonnet have some re-sellers there

Technology Ltd
Level 4 Catalyst House
150-154 Willis st
Wellington,
New Zealand
sales@ascent.co.nz
www.ascent.co.nz (http://www.ascent.co.nz/)

(Distributor)
MacSense (NZ) Ltd.
Unit I, 118 Bush Road
Albany, Auckland,
New Zealand
Tel: +64-9-414-1900
Fax: +64-9-414-1967
bruce@macsense.co.nz
www.macsense.co.nz (http://www.macsense.co.nz/)

(Reseller)
totallyMac
,
New Zealand
Tel: 0800 622 788
Fax: 0800 329 622
sales@totallymac.com
www.totallyMac.com (http://www.totallymac.com/nz/search.lasso?text=Sonnet&searchtype=Normal&skip=25)


Cheers
Tom K
olinevideo.com.au (http://www.olinevideo.com.au/index.htm)

DC
07-02-2009, 04:57 PM
Is the Qio actually shipping? This will probably work really well for my upcoming needs.

nsoltz
07-05-2009, 10:26 PM
After NAB announcement, it definitely seems MIA. I'll ping my Sonnet contact and ask him.

Ned Soltz

dbwolfe
07-06-2009, 08:59 AM
yeah, I actually need that little bugger really bad, it would make life a lot easier.

DC
07-06-2009, 09:06 AM
Hey Ned, please do! Thanks! :thumbsup:

Tom 4
08-05-2009, 05:06 AM
Qio i've heard is pushed back to Sept delivery,,,from august delivery,,maybe next month oct delivery,, cripes,,I hope not..
Just maybe the soon to be released Snow Leopard (sept) could be the hold-up ? to configuring the driver for the Qio ?.

Cheers
Tom K
olinevideo.com.au (http://www.olinevideo.com.au/)

Jarek Zabczynski
09-01-2009, 07:51 PM
It's September...where we at with this puppy?

Tom 4
09-30-2009, 11:25 PM
Bump, up-date

You can pre order one now --
http://store1.sonnettech.com/
it ships next month from their adds..

Cheers
Tom K
olinevideo.com.au (http://www.olinevideo.com.au/)

Christian m
10-01-2009, 03:32 PM
Interesting..
http://www.creativevideo.co.uk/public/view_item_cat.php?catalogue_number=sonnet_qio
Ships within 2-3 days?

Barry_Green
10-01-2009, 03:41 PM
Sonnet's own store still lists it as "pre-order, avail. late Oct." so I'd guess that any order wtih creative would result in a backorder situation.

Jarek Zabczynski
10-08-2009, 09:22 AM
Now give us half the slots for half the price...

Barry_Green
10-08-2009, 09:59 AM
It ain't the slots that cost.

I mean, that's like saying a 2-bedroom house should cost half what a 4-bedroom house costs. The garage, the living room, family room, bathrooms, yard, landscaping, roof, the lot, the street improvements, curb & gutter, electricity, sewer, water, phone, all that stuff is pretty much the same; the actual #of bedrooms adds very little to the overall cost.