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thekreative
04-20-2009, 12:08 PM
Hello Canon........ are you there? Anyone on the floor been by?

Spartacus
04-20-2009, 01:07 PM
I was thinking the same!

Hey NAB-goers, anything from Canon...?

jamesc
04-20-2009, 01:12 PM
Seriously. Sadly doesn't even look like they're scheduled to have a press conference: http://www.nabshow.com/2009/newsroom/conferenceSchedule.asp. I hope they're holding out for ImageNation '09 or something.

puredrifting
04-20-2009, 02:47 PM
Too bad. Canon has the resources to OWN the lower end cinema HD market if they would just rip the guts and the lens mount out of the 5D MKII and put in onto an XA-H1 body for under $10k. The 5D MKII can make such great images, it's too bad the form factor and controls are so messed up for filmmaking.

I think everyone who was holding their breath for a big NAB Canon announcement can exhale.

Dan

timbook2
04-20-2009, 03:27 PM
my thought exactly.....

Oedipax
04-20-2009, 04:51 PM
Is there a site doing good overall coverage of what's exciting at NAB? I'm pretty damn underwhelmed so far with what I'm hearing. No announcement from Apple, Canon, etc...

puredrifting
04-20-2009, 05:12 PM
Apple does not attend tradeshows any longer, even MacWorld. IF Apple has any announcement, it will be at the FCPUG Supermeet, tomorrow 5PM to 11PM. I have heard mixed rumors about FCS3, some think it could drop, others are saying, no, late this year, 2010 or whenever the hell Apple decides they want to put it out ;-)

Canon seems to be MIA for NAB. I wonder how sales of the Canon pro video cams are going? I can't imagine that XL-H1s are flying off of the shelves these days.

Dan

jamesc
04-21-2009, 12:05 AM
This is the only article I've seen about Canon and NAB '09:

http://dv.com/articlenews/81850

Barry_Green
04-21-2009, 12:19 AM
Canon never does anything with cameras at NAB. Never. They'll show lenses for other manufacturers, but that's about it.

Sttratos
04-21-2009, 06:06 AM
Apple is not attending this year again?
So I guess no FCS 3 or Shake replacement announcements. :(

Matthew Bennett
04-21-2009, 11:00 AM
Stu M. from Prolost found the Canon rep and was endlessly harrassing about the rumored upgrade to 24p (mark2)

Good job STU!

daflye
04-21-2009, 12:39 PM
I don't care about 24p, I'm not even that concerned with audio levels, just don't like constantly having to trick the camera to get the exposure I want. That is all I want for the MKII, manual exposure control. Sigh.

puredrifting
04-21-2009, 01:05 PM
I don't think that Stu's efforts will do any good.

NAB is a broadcast video show, the 5D MKII is from Canon's still division that has nothing to do with the video division. The still people are not at NAB, if he wants to harangue someone in person, PMA, Photokina or a show like that would at least have the right people there possibly.

I agree with daflye, manual control is by far the most important feature we need enabled. There are pretty effective and simple workarounds for the 24p and audio issues but there is no easy, simple and repeatable solution to the manual control issue unless those crazy hackers have a breakthrough.

Dan

bluekite
04-23-2009, 01:01 AM
Dan,

"I can't imagine that XL-H1s are flying off of the shelves these days. "

I spoke to a guy i buy gear off at the Earl's Court show in London, and he said he hadn't sold anything from Canon in ages.

still, when they do get it together i fully expect to be blown away.

canon are in a great position because they don't have to "protect" their higher end cameras like Sony and Panasonic. and of course they have the best glass around.

When they do eventually get it together, i think it'll be worth the wait.

Barry_Green
04-23-2009, 07:46 AM
Canon is actually showing a 5D Mk II in their NAB booth, rigged out with mattebox and rails.

Cranky
04-23-2009, 09:45 AM
This seemed so wrong to me. A camcorder AND a leading lens manufacturer shows its equipment rigged with Cinevate adapters.

Robert Sanders
04-24-2009, 11:53 AM
I'm very disappointed this year. The two things I was hoping to see are no-shows. I wanted to see Canon announce an APS-C Camcorder and I wanted to see Apple announce Final Cut Studio 3 (even though they're not at the show).

The two surprises this year are the HPX300 and the AJA Ki Pro.

LanceB
04-24-2009, 11:47 PM
I was at NAB all week working in the AJA booth and there was a lot of Canon talk and a lot of pros who knew nothing about it. I didn't expect to see 5Ds in the Canon booth at all but there they were with their own kiosk and at least 4 reps showing gear including fully rigged Red Rock, Zacuto and Chroziel rigs.

I asked a Canon rep about the firmware and they said they are well aware of all the issues and hope to see something very soon. So I think it's good news that they gave up a the busiest corner of their massive booth to DSLR's - I think this bodes well but only time will tell.

Spartacus
04-25-2009, 03:18 AM
Canon will have to come up with sth new anyway soon, to compete with the others tapeless workflows.
Unfortunately NAB hasnīt brought ANYHING new camera wise and Iīm still stuck in my EX1/HPX170 or HPX300/500 dilema(s).
I have to go with a single setup, otherwise right now the combination of HMC150 and 5DII would very appealing to me...
Damn you, Canon.

pressphotographer
04-25-2009, 07:17 AM
Frankly there is no point harassing Canon staff at NAB, none of the decisions about the development of the 5dmkII are made by US or European employees. All they do is sit in the middle between us and Japan feeding back information. Tokyo is already well aware of what is required to make this camera work as a full video camera and how many of us want it, if you want to complain more I suggest we all learn a little japanese and hit the phone lines.

Dan

puredrifting
04-25-2009, 11:28 AM
Why update a camera that is selling faster than they can make it?

They will introduce a new product that does what we want, I see absolutlely no value to them if they give a free update to all of the users who will sell their 5D MKIIs to buy a 5D MKIII if it has all of the right features.

They don't care about users buying Nikon lenses. Out of all of the 5D MKIIs sold in the world, how many are being used by filmmakers in proportion to how many are used by still photographers shooting stills? I think this situation once again proves at how myopic we in the filmmaking community are about our significance in the grand scheme of things as a market force. We are nothing, a tiny little portion of the overall world market for electronics, we just make more noise than the regular consumers.

I really hope that Canon does introduce some manual control and or 24P. But I doubt that they will and this has been a huge case of wishful thinking all along.

Still ordered a 5D MKII and will enjoy shooting with it but it is what it is and you should go into it with eyes wide open.

Dan

Nektonic
04-25-2009, 01:22 PM
Good points Dan. I think that if they are now saying that they are aware of the issues and are going to do something about it, plus the fact that they are showing off 5D mkII rigs in their NAB booth, that is good news for the near future.

Hearing things like that make me more optimistic that the rumored $7K APS-C prosumer XL-H1 style camera with an EOS mount that is supposedly going to come sometime in 2010 is more than a rumor.

FatDaddy
04-26-2009, 07:43 AM
Very encouraging about NAB and the Mark II. Canonrumors.com posted that someone spotted Mark II's on the set of Iron Man II. Another rumor, but NAB and some of the comments have me saving my pennies...