Video DSLR Rigs: Ideas, Thoughts, Theories

[Kholi]

If there's a thread for rigs already, sorry. I'm starting this one if there isn't so we can all begin to post our rig setups and what's been working for us in various situations.

Rigs are not limited to handheld, but filters, tripods, low mode, even vehicle mount solutions! You guys realize that you can invest in those cheap suction cup car mounts and get incredible results!?

I'll kick it off, though. I've got a lot of stuff that I want to put out there. Had a nice long weekend with my D90 and boy I can't wait for the next gen of Video DSLRs. GH-1, come on!

First off, let me share with you the handheld rig I've been using.

SUPPORT RIG

I posted a pic of this a long time ago but lost interest in the D90. I've also tweaked it a bit.

http://www.kholi.net/D90RR.jpg
http://www.kholi.net/D90RR2.jpg

What this rig basically consists of are cannibalized parts from the Redrock Shoulder Support V1.

- 15mm Shoulder Support Mount w/Standard Bolt Holes
- 15mm Handles and Support Bar

Just that deluxe kit stuff. I've taken it and assembled it so that I have free reign over the handles. Not only can I dutch the camera, I can turn it completely upside down, turn the handles so that one is above the camera for low mode, flip the handles downward in case I have to hold it up high and tilted, etc. etc.

It's complete free, but the best part is that it's stable for handheld. You've got a lot of freedom to shift here and there, rest it, turn it on it's axis with both hands, etc. I like the Gunstock Shooter that Zacuto has, but mostly for the shoulder support for pulling focus.

There's also plenty of room to mount a follow focus and a monitor on the handle's cross bar.

I got so comfy with it that I decided to hit the streets with it. Literally.

http://www.vimeo.com/4123963 -- Out of the Window on the highway and streets in low mode. Dutched some as well!

Sweet.

ADD (april 12, 2009) -- mattsand (mattias) uses this baby. Hauge (http://www.b-hague.co.uk/hague_mini_motion_cam_steadicam_type_camcorder_sta bilizer.htm). Looks pretty awesome to me! Great for work that you won't really need to have a follow focus etc. Or, might work with!

You might be wondering why I don't have a place for a mattebox though.

LIGHT CONTROL (Matteboxes and Filters)


Here's my issue with strapping matteboxes on these things, or actually, much more than what I've concocted: it removes the ENTIRE DISCREET FACTOR that we all want and are going to come to cherish. If this thing looks like you're doing more with it than the standard photographer, then it's going to cause issues.

But let's face it, you really should have filters. Polarizers, NDs, even softies if you really want that look in-camera. So what do you do?

Here's my solution: http://www.amazon.com/Dolica-CF3-ND67-Neutral-Density-Filter/dp/B001MYKZNA

Circular NDs. First thing that comes to mind is "I don't want to buy those for EVERY lens!". So, don't.

What you do is grab an adapter for each of your lens to fit the largest diameter ND that you need. For instance, the one that I'm showing is a 67mm Diameter, fits the D90 kit lens. What you would do for your primes is find an adapter that'll get you to 67mm and then you can use your filters between cameras.

Might be a case where you have specialty ND's for certain lenses, but I think it's liveable.

The important thing is that you probably should have these to get the maximum range out of your system without sacrificing your Ninja Cloaking Skills aka Discreet DSLR shooting abilities.

Tiffen makes some, I'm sure that Hoya does as well. As these things start dropping en masse I suspect to see some comparison tests for what you get paying 50.00+ for an ND versus this cheaper 18.00 ND.

Update: April 16, 2009 -- COKIN Filter Solutions

http://www.cokin.com/kits.html

Saw this while I was hunting for some filters. A great alternative that can be used with existing filters. Say you have to cross-pollinate with your larger format camera, then you can still use your 4x4's on your DSLR. However, the validity of the application will depend on the user.

Just looking at it, it's going to definitely have it's uses, I'm still in favor of Circular applications because you can use your lens hoods to guard from flares and reflections instead of having to rely on matteboxes, etc.


Monitoring/External Monitoring

ADD (april 12, 2009) -- Car30 says: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showpost.php?p=1607491&postcount=4

I can see that for stable usage. Any monitor with DVI/HDMI in will do. I had a 19" Dynex that worked pretty swell! And they're cheap, like 150 or less at Best Buy.

What are we gonna do about mobile situations?


Tripods/Heads/Sticks

Coming soon... thoughts?

Audio Inputs/Options

Coming soon... thoughts?

CarMounts/Vehicle Support and stabilization

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Please, add your rig pics, your thoughts and suggestions to this thread. Looking forward to the advancements in VDSLR technology!

[mattsand]

i use mine on a dvtec shoulder rig. i've also tried mounting the camera on rails i use for my hv20+adapter but since i don't use a follow focus nor a matte box i never actually used it for anything. the other rig i use is a hague mini stabilizer, which performs better than any other steadicam rig i've tried with this camera, and at only $100 it's a must have.

[Kholi]

Man that Hague (http://www.b-hague.co.uk/hague_mini_motion_cam_steadicam_type_camcorder_sta bilizer.htm) looks bad-ass. Going to the top of the thread!

I wonder if they ship to the US? This would be great for wide angle steadicamesque shots.

The problem with shoulder rigs, though, is that it defeats the entire purpose of the concept if it's not balanced. And there is no balancing this thing on the front. So your arms will probably tire out. Then again everyone's different.

How's it on your arms, mattias?

[Car3o]

i use a regular 17 inch dvi monitor, it's cheap and gets framing and focusing done. get a dvi to mini hdmi and good to go. out in the field, which i don't even know what's consider "in the field", it might not do you guys much. though out in the field for me is narrative filmmaking and there's always going to be power or source to one. i'll always have the cameras lcd if i can't use the monitor.

[Nektonic]

Looks good Kholi. Thanks for sharing. Great idea about the adapter for the threaded lens filters. Could you tell me how much the Redrock stuff you are using cost? It looks like a sweet set up. I'd love to buy the whole Zacuto Gunstock support system, but right now I'd rather find a more affordable alternative until the whole VDSLR thing matures another year or so.

mattsand, that hague mini stabilizer looks awesome. I checked out their site too. Can't argue with the price. Once I decide what VDSLR I am going to eventually get (leaning heavily towards the Pany GH-1) I'll also plan on that stabilizer.

Edit:

As for external LCD monitors, I've seen quite a few at Best Buy that have an HDMI input, and not only a DVI input. Might be a tad more expensive though.

These shoulder mounts look interesting to me -- http://www.steadybrace.com/OnlineStore/tabid/64/List/1/CategoryID/0/Level/a/Default.aspx

They look a lot like the Spider Brace, so maybe not too much difference there but worth a look none the less.

[mattsand]

the dvtec rig has both a counterweight behind your shoulder and a spring loaded rod that mounts to a belt. very steady and very easy on your arms.

/matt

[mattsand]

seems like the price went up more than just a bit on the hague, too bad, but lucky for me i got it before they knew how great it was. :-) still worth the money.

/matt

[Jack_Felis]

Vizio 22" 1080P LCD TV $300 from Costco = Best friend

Very good LCD for monitoring on set and it's surprisingly lightweight too. Again, there's always the same problem with power but for a lightweight $300 LCD and 1080P resolution, it's a steal.

As far as support goes, I'm pretty fine with the camera by itself but I can always add my little L bracket stabilizers to it if I want extra smoothness.

[Kholi]

Looks good Kholi. Thanks for sharing. Great idea about the adapter for the threaded lens filters. Could you tell me how much the Redrock stuff you are using cost? It looks like a sweet set up. I'd love to buy the whole Zacuto Gunstock support system, but right now I'd rather find a more affordable alternative until the whole VDSLR thing matures another year or so.

mattsand, that hague mini stabilizer looks awesome. I checked out their site too. Can't argue with the price. Once I decide what VDSLR I am going to eventually get (leaning heavily towards the Pany GH-1) I'll also plan on that stabilizer.

These shoulder mounts look interesting to me -- http://www.steadybrace.com/OnlineStore/tabid/64/List/1/CategoryID/0/Level/a/Default.aspx

They look a lot like the Spider Brace, so maybe not too much difference there but worth a look none the less.

The Shoulder Mount kit was about 250.00. I'm gonna show this to Brian V over at Redrock to see if there's a possibility that we can get a Redrock support setup just like this, without the extra mattebox odds and ends.

You could get the standard for less than 250.00 I think, but check for the Redrock Shoulder Support with grips. That's all I'm using, minuse the actual shoulder pad.

I may add the shoulder pad to get the system to behave similar to the arm brace that the Gunstock Shooter has. It's definitely NO match for an actual piece like Zacuto has for the shoulder, but it may do for now.

I'm also interested in that stabilizer. That sucker is smooth!

[Nektonic]

Thanks Kholi. I was expecting it to be more so that is good news.

I have a hunch that as the video DSLR movement grows, companies like Redrock, Brevis, etc... will come up with their own specialized DSLR rigs.

The Zacuto Gunstock looks like a really solid setup, but I think we'll be able to make things work well enough with a more affordable rig.

[Kholi]

Thanks Kholi. I was expecting it to be more so that is good news.

I have a hunch that as the video DSLR movement grows, companies like Redrock, Brevis, etc... will come up with their own specialized DSLR rigs.

The Zacuto Gunstock looks like a really solid setup, but I think we'll be able to make things work well enough with a more affordable rig.

Don't be surprised if some crazy DVXuser that's suddenly thinking more about DSLRs doesn't design one and jump into the rig game.

HMMM.

[Kholi]

Real Video is up now: http://www.vimeo.com/4123963

[Nektonic]

Real Video is up now: http://www.vimeo.com/4123963

Good lord, I thought you were going to smack into that bus head first.

One thing from seeing your video is that if there is ever going to be a Crank 3, those crazy directors of will probably shoot it with a VDSLR while hanging out the window of a car or truck.

[squig]

Well it's still a work in progress.....and will continue to evolve.

So far-

D90, 2 batteries, 8 and 4gb sandisk extreme III cards
Steadytracker extreme
Rode NTG-1 mic with hotshoe shockmount
Zoom H4 - just sold it and upgrading to the H4n
Nikkor ai primes- 24mm f/2, 28mm f/2, 35mm f/2, 50mm f/1.4, 105mm f/2.5, 135mm f/2.8.
67mm Hoya ND8 filter, 52mm-67mm step up ring, various hoods
17" 2.5ghz macbook pro with 2 gig of ram
final cut studio 2
a few cfl work lights
bob sport utility jogging stroller dolly

still to arrive-
16mm f/2.8 fisheye, 50mm f/1.2, 85mm f/1.4 and maybe a 20mm f/2.8 to complete the collection.
Mathews M25 tripod
Hoya polarizing filter
21" Sony bravia
made in bollywood follow focus/whip
Cavision rods
Cavision eye piece
Hasselblad bellows
Twixtor
Rode boom
suction car mounts
more cfl, tungsten and led lights
f-stop camera backpack
a couple of 500Gb 2.5" 7200rpm FW800 hard drives
low mode bracket for steadytracker

future upgrades-
A DSLR that works properly
some wireless mics
magic bullet looks

total cost around 10k US

The suction car mounts are great, not only for mounting DSLR to cars but for lighting indoors in tight spaces too.

I've chosen the Mathews tripod after reading many good reviews from HV20 users. It's cheap and has a good fluid action for lightweight camera's. Most pro fluid heads are designed for much heavier cams.

It won't look very stealthy in it's full setup but I can easily break it down when I need to.

I'm also interested in making a diy indieslider http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=145701&highlight=dolly+rails

[squig]

i use mine on a dvtec shoulder rig. as much as i hate using israeli equipment these days it's actually great, art is more important than politics i guess and since a lot of the palestinian children are killed with swedish weapons who am i to judge a private company based on nationality. i've also tried mounting the camera on rails i use for my hv20+adapter but since i don't use a follow focus nor a matte box i never actually used it for anything. the other rig i use is a hague mini stabilizer, which performs better than any other steadicam rig i've tried with this camera, and at only $100 it's a must have.

We just turn a blind eye which is just as bad.

I'm curious why an old filmmaking fart like you doesn't use a follow focus? I've personally never used one and I'm wondering how much more control it's going to give me for my $500

[jamesmallonuk]

I think the great thing about these cameras are their run and gun abilities, so apart from when you want static shots these big ass zacuto things are most people unessecary 'in my opinion'. I want the stabilisation to be happening in the camera or the lens if possible Or a think a simple development of the grip with some stabilisation in the lens would be helpful. I like the idea of the OP's handles on each side but maybe really all you need is a development of the grip on one side like a scarlet http://www.freshdv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/red_scarlet_smart_accessory_handle_sm.jpg

or just a added grip on the right screwed into the baseplate, I think a far simpler and cheaper solution is need rather than the robocop zacuto. If you need ENG then get a Z1 the nightly news doesn't need to have a shallow depth of field. I am wanting a good dslr for documenatry work if you walked around with the zacuto you would just shoot lots of scared faces!

[alexandroff]

i've been able to resolve all mounting with redrock items, from shoulder to steadicam low mode mount. quality is very good and looks cool

[squig]

I'm not sure a rifle stock mount is such a good idea in an age when you can get shot for running through a subway with a backpack.

[Kholi]

I think the great thing about these cameras are their run and gun abilities, so apart from when you want static shots these big ass zacuto things are most people unessecary 'in my opinion'. I want the stabilisation to be happening in the camera or the lens if possible Or a think a simple development of the grip with some stabilisation in the lens would be helpful. I like the idea of the OP's handles on each side but maybe really all you need is a development of the grip on one side like a scarlet http://www.freshdv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/red_scarlet_smart_accessory_handle_sm.jpg

or just a added grip on the right screwed into the baseplate, I think a far simpler and cheaper solution is need rather than the robocop zacuto. If you need ENG then get a Z1 the nightly news doesn't need to have a shallow depth of field. I am wanting a good dslr for documenatry work if you walked around with the zacuto you would just shoot lots of scared faces!

The issue with a single handled (you have to try it to realize it) is that you don't have a place to balance your body with the camera. It's not just about the camera, it's about how you interact with it and creating a bridge between operator and tool.

The grips on either side still allow you to reach around for a focus pull, and to get comfy in the highest reach and lowest. Say if you've got a slight disposition to where your left hand wants to be lower than the right to be comfy. Then you tilt the camera on it's single rail a bit and allow your body to do as it pleases.

This gets you smoother operation in long bursts, as opposed to killing yourself trying to be what the camera setup wants you to be.


These aren't Prosumer cameras or 35mm adapter rigs. They've got to be handled with a bit more intuitiveness and respect for the kind of tools they are: Ninja Swords. Don't knock the Zacuto rig, though. It's going to serve a purpose to those that want the shoulder mounted form factor that they're used to and trust, and there are a LOT of those.

And they're the first ones to incorporate an eye-piece into the mix.

[squig]

cavision make an eyepiece too

as do hoodman

[Kholi]

Didn't see a Cavision DSLR rig. My bad.

GH-1, though. It's got the fold out LCD. It'll solve most of my issues in one swivel.

[squig]

some kind of bike handlebar setup could be kinda funky

http://www.cavision.com/pictures/D90/D90.htm

I'm thinking about getting some LCD glasses so I can focus on the move. Probably not necessary if I get a GH1 with it's AF lens and swivel LCD though.

[Kholi]

The difference is going to be actually USING them. That's when people will begin to learn what's viable. Speculation goes too many ways.

That thing just looks so freaking obvious.

[squig]

Well there is the rig you use for legal shots and then there is the rig you use for borrowed shots if you can't run fast.

[mattsand]

I'm curious why an old filmmaking fart like you doesn't use a follow focus?
aside from cost, which is huge issue, so far we've worked in stealth mode and without a puller. if i would build a serious rig and/or use a puller i'd get a follow focus for sure.

/matt

[squig]

Have you put any extra weights on the hague? The D90 reaches it's recommended weight limit without a lens. It's perfectly weighted for a GH1 with a nikkor ai lens though.

[jamesmallonuk]

The issue with a single handled (you have to try it to realize it) is that you don't have a place to balance your body with the camera. It's not just about the camera, it's about how you interact with it and creating a bridge between operator and tool.

Actually I agree with you your right, I wonder if the eyepiece could serve as that for many. When I trained in Video production I was told if you don't use the eyepiece then your not professional as the lcd can never be 100% trusted. I learnt that the steadiest shots where with the eyepiece jammed into my eye and my arms pushing against my chest. So maybe a hand grip and eye piece would be an adequate product for many, so someone make one please.

I'm not really knocking the zacuto and sure there will be some who need it but I would argue it's a bit elborate for many people.

Another point I don't hear much about people using small cheap steady cams the type used for small camcorders, is a DSLR form tricky for this kind of thing I wonder.

[mattsand]

yes i use some extra weight. it works fine.

/matt

[artforme]

Awesome thread.

[Robert Batta]

- rod support
- ProDOF top handle
- ProDOF mattebox

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/3120695247_6e14761a72.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3188/3120695109_c924723091.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/prodof (http://www.myspace.com/prodof)

[Starscream]

Letus leftover Rails.
Homemade railholders,
zigview screen (sunshade McGyver´d from the SB600 bag)
chrosziel Mattebox

http://dailydirt.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/rodent_f_002.jpg

http://dailydirt.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/rodent_f_001.jpg

[jamesmallonuk]

This is what I was talking about. http://www.kirkphoto.com/supports.html#AG-1

Keep it simple!

The bean bag thing lower down is also a good thing to have though I was told when I was training, top tip...always have a bean bag with you costs about 1$.....unless you get a zacuto, red rock, etc bean bag and probably it will cost about $400.

[Chamber005]

This is what I was talking about. http://www.kirkphoto.com/supports.html#AG-1

Keep it simple!

The bean bag thing lower down is also a good thing to have though I was told when I was training, top tip...always have a bean bag with you costs about 1$.....unless you get a zacuto, red rock, etc bean bag and probably it will cost about $400.


lol... See I love the new Zacuto shotgun rig, but a rig like this does bring up an interesting point. Obviously a shotgun brace is going to give you the most stability, but I wonder if you're losing some of what makes these DSLRs unique if you just strap them into, essentially, a shoulder mount. Once jacked in, this tiny camera suddenly becomes part of a much larger piece -- you!

I guess the question is, at what point does a rig provide enough stability so as to move it from the visual representation of "hand held".

If the Zacuto stuff is like turning the DSLR into a shoulder-mount camera, what are these rigs (and the original rig that started this posting) considered? Steadicam?

Would these rigs be closer to steadicam or handheld? Or is there a term inbetween that I'm missing?

[Robert Altman]

As we all know who have grown to 'love' the d90, the small hand-held shakes give the d90 a terrible case of jello. The need for a much more stable platform for hand-held shooting cries out for weight and heft. I don't think that physics will allow a small/light/unobtrusive device to provide the smoothness necessary for this camera.

I find the 'jello' of hand-held shots to be the worst part of many of the videos on vimeo. Softness can work. I am used to seeing so many compression artifacts on cable that those don't even bother me as much. But jello (skew)--never acceptable in my view.

I use a larger shoulder mount (indiSytems), with a matte box/rails/FF. It works--but it certainly makes a dSLR unstealthy. Of course in some settings you are taken more seriously with a larger setup tricked out with rails/mattebox/etc., so that can be an advantage as well!

[Kholi]

Update:

Update: April 16, 2009 -- COKIN Filter Solutions

http://www.cokin.com/kits.html

Saw this while I was hunting for some filters. A great alternative that can be used with existing filters. Say you have to cross-pollinate with your larger format camera, then you can still use your 4x4's on your DSLR. However, the validity of the application will depend on the user.

Just looking at it, it's going to definitely have it's uses, I'm still in favor of Circular applications because you can use your lens hoods to guard from flares and reflections instead of having to rely on matteboxes, etc.

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Added to the first post. Thoughts

[Car3o]

I use this tripod. Nice for light weight camera's and fluid head.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/243272-REG/Davis_Sanford_PROVISTA7518B_Pro_Vista_Tripod_with. html

[Kholi]

Sweet, we're moved.

Will be reporting back on some new toys soon as well! And of course replacing the D90 photos with GH-1 pics.

[squig]

I use this tripod. Nice for light weight camera's and fluid head.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/243272-REG/Davis_Sanford_PROVISTA7518B_Pro_Vista_Tripod_with. html

fluid enough to avoid D90 rolling shutter?

[SonicStates]

Don't forget El Cheapo... I think this could be an interesting item for...18 bucks...mine is now out of the closet...preparing for GH1 work...as of tomorrow
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00ACjtukBcbYgzM/Camcorder-Shoulder-Pad-KHSP-1-.jpg

[AdrianF]

I was in a camera store the other day and saw this little box of goodies, a touring set including universal clamp, suction clamp, ground spike! and mini pod. Cullman is a name I'd always associated with cheapo tripods, but this little set looked quite nice and could serve some uses.
http://www.cullmann-foto.de/en/products/tripods/special/index.htm


I'll second the bean bag as the most versatile piece of kit you can own!

[LizaWitz]

I didn't see it mentioned, so I'll throw it out there: Has anyone used the Fig Rig?

The real one:
http://www.manfrotto.com/figrig/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5057699084327788170

And DIY:
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-PVC-Fig-Rig/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7TMa-v03aE

The interesting thing about this is that you can mount your Zoom 4 if you have one, several mics, remots for the camera or zoom, some lights, maybe a monitor on it.

It doesn't seem like it would be a comfortable rig for me, though.

[mico]

I feel the fig rig is too conspicuous and keeps your hands too far away from the camera, especially if you're using a manual lens. Heres my DSLR rig. Enough room to add mic, nanoflash etc. if needed. Room for flip out screen, lightweight. foldable for transport , it takes up hardly any room, and right hand has easy access to focus wheel of lens with a two hand grip for steady handheld shots.

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/5729/diym.jpg

[j]

What are those connectors?

[mico]

Cardellini card a links.

[j]

http://www.filmtools.com/cardalink.html

Haven't seen those before, cool. And affordable too...

[Kholi]

I still know seasoned dps that swear by filters. Think about most of the films that have been shot on film. They're almost always shooting through nds and low contrast filters.

The good thing is that these are very cheap in the circular variety, for brand named quality even. It's been pretty fun shootng with nds ritually in this camera.

For those interested my current circular filter kit includes:

Hoya HMC NDs 2, 4, 8
Hoya HMC polarizer
Tiffen Soft fx 3
Hoya Duto
Tiffen Low Contrast 3
Tiffen Black Diffusion

All for a 77mm thread size which is the diameter for the largest lens I have bthis ensurees that I can just use adapter rings for smaller lenses and use the filters with all lenses.

I also have a 77mm threaded hood shade.

The concept of a mattebox on this thing just doesn't work for me. With this I still look, at most, like a photographer.

[Nektonic]

Don't forget El Cheapo... I think this could be an interesting item for...18 bucks...mine is now out of the closet...preparing for GH1 work...as of tomorrow
http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00ACjtukBcbYgzM/Camcorder-Shoulder-Pad-KHSP-1-.jpg

Nice. Do you have a link to a site or store where I could purchase that El Cheapo shoulder mount thingy?

[dadoboy]

Anybody know of an eyepiece extension that might work for the EVF on this camera? I've seen an optical 90 degree extension for other still cameras. It would be optical of course, I can't imagine someone has yet come up with an electronic extension.

[Joseph Stunzi]

Zacuto has the Z-finder. It has Schneider optics in it. http://store.zacuto.com/Z-Finder.html

I checked out Hoodmans and Cavisions at NAB... they don't do much in terms of magnification, clarity, and blocking light.

No right angle... but it's a start in the right direction!

[ryansheffer]

The problem I have with a lot of these rig companies like Zacuto is that most of us are buying these cameras because they offer superior image quality at a fraction of the cost. Yet, as I look at most of these rig companies, they seem to be making these external pieces at the same price point that their other rigs are.

I don't want to buy a $2000 camera package and then spend $2000 on a rig. I think most of these companies are missing the boat.

[Kholi]

I've sort of added another use to my cobbled together rig.

The handles, as shown, have a really great mobility range. Now, what I'm running into with this setup is mostly trying to pull focus at the same time. And it's not really because I haven't gotten a follow focus yet.

Think about how you'd normally pull focus on a larger, more suitable system: the follow focus is probably the lightest pat of the camera, so turning it here and there shouldn't really effect any motion.

But here, if you have a follow focus on it, then it's probably the same weight as the GH-1 Body.

Also, most of the work is being put on your wrists. The normal cinema machine is putting workload on forearms and biceps if it's not shoulder mounted, and I've trained myself to be able to cradle 35mm Adapter rigs and RED in all sorts of configurations. Handheld just isn't an issue with those.

What Zacuto DID get right, and I was shown another example by JDS here: http://jbrlsr.com/?aid=5336062087&bid=3136093&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bhphotovideo.com%2Fbnh%2Fcont roller%2Fhome%3FO%3Dworkaround.jsp%26A%3Ddetails%2 6Q%3D%26sku%3D525293%26is%3DREG%23accessories -- is a piece that's mounted to press against yourself.

It's brilliant, and I'm slow so it took me a while to realize how detrimental this piece is for handheld.

By having it, you can press the camera back into your shoulder or gut, hip, etc and hold it steady through pressure, using your torso to turn or "pan" as needed. Not only that, but it allows you to get your hands off of the sides of the camera and comfortably beneath the lens and camera body as a support to pull focus with the fingers, while the other hand holds the side for added stability.

Couple it with a neck strap and you can go even lower, tilting the camera up for a semi-worms eye perspective.

So, with my rig, I twisted the handles outward so that the ends were jabbing into my chest or stomach area and got some VERY steady handheld footage beyond 50mm.

Lesson learned.

[josephj]

I've sort of added another use to my cobbled together rig.

The handles, as shown, have a really great mobility range. Now, what I'm running into with this setup is mostly trying to pull focus at the same time. And it's not really because I haven't gotten a follow focus yet.

Think about how you'd normally pull focus on a larger, more suitable system: the follow focus is probably the lightest pat of the camera, so turning it here and there shouldn't really effect any motion.

But here, if you have a follow focus on it, then it's probably the same weight as the GH-1 Body.

Also, most of the work is being put on your wrists. The normal cinema machine is putting workload on forearms and biceps if it's not shoulder mounted, and I've trained myself to be able to cradle 35mm Adapter rigs and RED in all sorts of configurations. Handheld just isn't an issue with those.

What Zacuto DID get right, and I was shown another example by JDS here: http://jbrlsr.com/?aid=5336062087&bid=3136093&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bhphotovideo.com%2Fbnh%2Fcont roller%2Fhome%3FO%3Dworkaround.jsp%26A%3Ddetails%2 6Q%3D%26sku%3D525293%26is%3DREG%23accessories -- is a piece that's mounted to press against yourself.

It's brilliant, and I'm slow so it took me a while to realize how detrimental this piece is for handheld.

By having it, you can press the camera back into your shoulder or gut, hip, etc and hold it steady through pressure, using your torso to turn or "pan" as needed. Not only that, but it allows you to get your hands off of the sides of the camera and comfortably beneath the lens and camera body as a support to pull focus with the fingers, while the other hand holds the side for added stability.

Couple it with a neck strap and you can go even lower, tilting the camera up for a semi-worms eye perspective.

So, with my rig, I twisted the handles outward so that the ends were jabbing into my chest or stomach area and got some VERY steady handheld footage beyond 50mm.

Lesson learned.
Hey Kholi.
Question for you: I'm debating whether to purchase the Redrock DLSR support rig or Cinevate's. On the Redrock one, do you use a shoulder mount for your rig? Do you have any experience with Redrock's shoulder mount and if so, is it configurable so that you can use it as support on your chest instead of having to mount it on your shoulder all the time?

[Kholi]

The actual Redrock DSLR 2.0 rig doesn't seem to have a chest support. What I did with my version of the camera support (cobbled together from the shouldermount) was turn the handles so they press into my chest or stomach instead.

Hold the camera by the lens and the side of the body so you can focus and keep it stady.

The best design right now is against your shoulder, not on top of it. It's too unbalanced for that.

Zacuto got that part right.

[josephj]

The actual Redrock DSLR 2.0 rig doesn't seem to have a chest support. What I did with my version of the camera support (cobbled together from the shouldermount) was turn the handles so they press into my chest or stomach instead.

Hold the camera by the lens and the side of the body so you can focus and keep it stady.

The best design right now is against your shoulder, not on top of it. It's too unbalanced for that.

Zacuto got that part right.
yeah, that's my feeling as well. i wonder if i the zaucto chest mount can be used on a redrock dslr rig...

zacuto is just so dang costly!

[squig]

I'm mounting some heavy glass and anamorphic adapters (up to 4lb) to mine so I'm gonna go with the redrock shoulder mount rig and follow focus with a genus matte box. Seems to be the best option for the money.

[Jackson Miller]

Hey Kholi, maybe I missed it and you already put one up, but could you post a pic of your complete rig? I'm having a bit of trouble picturing it after looking through so many different companies stuff.

[ryansheffer]

For those just looking for a way to keep the camera stable.

http://www.amazon.com/Stedi-Stock-Shoulder-Stabilizer-Camcorders-Spotting/dp/B0014007YE

Using it on my 5d and the results are astonishing for the price I paid. I'm looking into ways to build a rig around it. Will post results.

[Jackson Miller]

Cool. Could you tell me:

1) What material is that made of? It looks plastic.

2) How sturdy and does it look like it would last?

3) About how long is it from end to end? If you could measure that'd be awesome.

Thanks.

[ryansheffer]

1. Made of plastic. But, one solid piece of plastic.
2. I can't imagine how you would break the thing. Very solid plastic.
3. 15"

Definitely not the prettiest, but it gets the job done. No worries about shooting video without image stabilization.

[j]

It looks like it has too small of a base.

[Jackson Miller]

Yeah. I was just thinking of somehow incorporating int into another rig.

What I am really interested in in the cinevate ones. What do you guys think?

[NevilleBartos]

I'd love to get the Zacuto Marksman but at half the price!

[yoclay]

Why spend as much on the support stuff as the camera? Because you will have the support stuff a lot longer than the camera. (Trust me) When I buy it's not just for the current camera I own, it's also for the future, for the possibility of shooting with two or owning/using a different one later...so I need systems that are adaptable. That doesn't mean I always have to pay for the expensive stuff though. No you don't always get what you pay for, usually you get something twice as good for 4 times the price, unfortunately. It's a mix really.

I have purchased tons of redrock stuff and it is solid and very adaptable. It adds mass and that is good, but of course mass is weight. My suggestion for shoulder rigs is to use a "Steady stick" from Tiffen for $75 as a bodypod support (a weist belt plus center column support) to the redrock cheeseplate underneath a rig (it screws in directly) - OR - to take that same cheeseplate and put it at the back with a velcro ankle or wrist weight (like the ones people use for workouts) wrapped around it to create a counterweight.

The Z-finder is brighter and better magnification than anything else out there, but very expensive. It tends to fog up with the eyecup too close in hot weather and the mounting system is still a work in progress. Their version 2.0 is on the way (about 10 weeks). Another finder will also be coming out soon from a european consortium in the mid price point range in about a month or so.

You can basically make the Zacuto Gunstock rigs out of Redrock stuff, but then you might as well spring for the gunstock handle (at $200) and integrate it into your system. It's not as outrageous in price as some of the other products from them. The only other alternative is a $30 all plastic piece from Bogen/Manfrotto at B&H. I personally don't find this thing all that helpful actually....a counterweight seems more important for a shoulder rig to be honest...

[Dzip]

How about the DV balancer?
http://www.emit.fr/fr/dv-balancer/221-2-c.html

[Jackson Miller]

With my order in for the GH-1, I'm leaning towards getting the cinevate DSLR rig. What do you guys think about it?

[yoclay]

The Cinevate rig is too big, heavy and clumsy, it just doesn't look very ergonomic or refined. I honestly think it was made for more of a studio environment in mind. I think the company is terrific, but this just is not a winner. People are going more streamlined these days, witness even Redrock re-orienting itself more towards it's 2.0 stuff than the cinema bundles....

[nickybee]

redrock, zacuto etc...I mean sure that's fine - but is there a reason why nobody's mentioning indifocus ?

I only ask because if you get the shoulder kit rig plus the follow focus you're only at a little over $500 (with short and long rails)

Granted it won't look as cool as the zacuto ;) - but the zacuto is over $2k for the rig alone.

I've made a few quick release modifications on mine that make it easier to configure - and the new shaft bearings on the indifocus FF units make them much smoother.

will take some pictures when the GH-1 arrives.

nick

[Jackson Miller]

Please do nicky. I looked into the rig a bit. I would just rather invest in something a little better and a little more configurable.

As far as the comments from voclay, well I agree that the cage and the metal bars around the mattebox look bulky and ridiculous, but these actually do not come with the rig. If you watch the vid, you will see that the rig consists of a shoulder mount, connected to rails, with their awesome camera moutning plate (adjustable in every way), and two handles. I think I am going to get it along with some other things to make myself a more compact rig for when I need it. I am going to use 12 inch rails (in place of the 18 inch ones) wick will position the back of the shoulder mount so that it is pressing against my chest. It can be shaped very easily with the knobs and it should form a chest "gunstock" type thing pretty easily. I will only use one of the front handles (swung over to the middle) and use it with my right hand to press the rig up against my chest. If I want, I can quickly slip off the shoulder/chest mount, and use the handles on the sides of the camera pointing up. I am going to add a piece to tilt it so that it runs more parallel to the ground so that holding it would feel a bit like holding a DVX or similar camera under the strap like normal. Finally, I am ordering a "top handle" piece from a guy, which functions like the handle on a DVX and is nice for low handheld shots.

So thats the plan so far. I will buy a mattebox when I get the $ as well.

For when I want to just look like a photographer, I already have a manfrotto modosteady that I use with my HF-10.

What do you guys think?

[yoclay]

Sounds good Entity, the point is to have enough support stuff to build what works for you in any given situation. And those situations will change. Also what's wrong with just cradling the camera sometimes and/or only using a viewfinder? Or add a focusing ring without the follow focus and it's enough for instance. Everything depends on the usage more than having the right "look".

[Jus10m]

Hey guys,
I just came across this interesting looking rig...
What thinks you all? I really like design of having the handle directly under the camera to give you a balanced weight which also leaves your other hand to pull focus directly on the lens.
Plus it just looks pretty cool huh?

http://peterpeterpeter.com/pages/bushhawk.htm

[Martti Ekstrand]

Since the GH1 is relatively light I've been looking around at shoulder rigs for small video cams like this one from Varizoom

http://www.varizoom.com/products/supports/vzdvtraveler.html

Looks like a small rodbase can be mounted to it if a mattebox and/or follow focus is needed. They also have a larger model. I have no special knowledge of Varizoom but they look serious and price is very enticing.

[NevilleBartos]

Is this what we've been waiting for

A more basic package from Zakuto

http://www.zacuto.com/dslr-gorilla-kits

[tackleqb]

Letus leftover Rails.
Homemade railholders,
zigview screen (sunshade McGyver´d from the SB600 bag)
chrosziel Mattebox

http://dailydirt.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/rodent_f_002.jpg

http://dailydirt.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/rodent_f_001.jpg

Hey just wondering if you have made anymore of these? It looks like a sick setup. I'll buy from you if you make me another one or if you could tell me how to make one like this that would be great thanks.

[josephj]

Here's my new set-up.
http://i655.photobucket.com/albums/uu280/josephjjang/dslrrig.jpg

Now if only I had the camera to go with it........

[Jackson Miller]

Awesome! So you just bought the Z gun-mount thing separate? How much did that cost? Like 800 bucks I imagine.

[josephj]

Awesome! So you just bought the Z gun-mount thing separate? How much did that cost? Like 800 bucks I imagine.

Yeah, so I basically bought the parts from redrock and zacuto. The gun-mount makes the rig so much more secure because now I have 3 points of contact with the rig. I had to purchase the gun stock and the female rods from Z. $300.

But it's just sitting there....on my desk......collecting dust and looking cool. :(

[Jackson Miller]

Is this what we've been waiting for

A more basic package from Zakuto

http://www.zacuto.com/dslr-gorilla-kits

Still overpriced imo. But better I guess.

[Ben_B]

Here is what I am working on. Not meant to be a stabilizer, just to give me somewhere to hold the GH1 when it is on a rod system, or just by itself. I am planning on adding 10" rails and a follow focus. This part as configured attaches to the tripod mount part of the rod system. It can be unscrewed and reconfigured in different ways, a handle up and a handle down, two down, one handle, a two handles below in an L, etc, all with these parts. You can also, when mounting the rails on the other side, push one of the handles into your shoulder, and hold the other handle, or reconfigure the things a bit to use your shoulder/torso. I have some old airsoft gun stocks lying around and am thinking about a way to maybe integrate one.

Unfortunately the screw in nature means that you have to have access to a table and a clamp to really get the stuff done right, although the parts manage to give you enough leverage that you shouldn't always need a wrench or pliers as well.

It was made from off-the-shelf parts (and looks it) for about $50, took no time to build and less to come up with. Sure it's not easily adjustable like RedRock Ultraport it's pseudo based on, nor is it as small or light (local hardware store had galvanized steel, no aluminum,) but I think it will get the job done when my GH1 gets here. Also since the cameras and carbon fibre rails are so light and it works fine as is, I figure it will work fine when I get the other parts.

And no I am not going to be using it with that analog Sony 8mm-Tape camera...I just happened to have it lying around, and yes I realize it has no focus ring, I am merely demonstrating.

Sorry for crappy picture quality, I really don't have much in the way of cameras right now (as evidenced by the sample camera on the thing.) Hope you enjoy.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/2113/img1004b.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7902/moremorerig.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1338/morerig.jpg

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1940/morerig01.jpg

I will post some more images when I configure it in different ways, and some more when my GH1 and rod system/follow focus get here so you actually get an idea of what the point is.

[ryansheffer]

That definitely looks cool, but also looks insanely heavy.

[timbook2]

looks like the shopping spree wont stop ever.....I bought the GH1 for very specific purposes and have totally different requirements:
I need it to hang inconspicously from my neck and film unnoticed. My main problem is the viewfinder sticking out which makes the glass tilt downwards. I already got all sorts of c-mount glass with widest angles and apertures which reduce the front pull because of the size and weight of the lenses, but I need to find a way to attach something to the bottom screw, which comes up around the bottom to where the LCD sits and gives me an adjustable backside so it can dangle from my neck STRAIGHT!

I would NEVER mount the GH1 on some of these monster rigs....they look terrible ! :-)

I do however like small steadycams like the british thing or the first generation steadycam mini ( which does a sort of shoulder rigging too)

[Abstract Photog]

Quick preview of my rig in one of its many configurations:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3301/3651888956_c10c0491c7.jpg

Ill have more pictures and a write-up soon...might start a thread for it since iv
got a lot to cover. Basically, its a custom modified Cine Rail System + Redrock
accessories. The set up your looking at here is for low to the ground, hand
held shots.

My other main configuration is a shoulder mount/brace with these same parts.
The whole thing can be mounted to a tripod too, just like in the picture

[Kholi]

Nice.

Isn't the center of balance off though for low mode?

The handheld rig I cobbled together can be configured like that as well, it's the best of both worlds you must havveeee.

GH1.. I miss it so.

[Abstract Photog]

Nice.

Isn't the center of balance off though for low mode?

The handheld rig I cobbled together can be configured like that as well, it's the best of both worlds you must havveeee.

GH1.. I miss it so.

it is off...but not as much as it looks, and thats what the handle near the lens
is for. the way I have the top handle configured with the arm and extension rods
creates a counter balance. it works well. despite how it looks, the whole
set up is very light. the camera plate is aluminum, and the rods are CF

a top handle for low shots was my first concern when i decided on the GH1.
I used to shoot this style all the time with a DVX, so i had to have it :Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[Ben_B]

Made some major modifications to my (totally off the shelf DIY) rig (page 8, the other pipe on), first thing I tried was adding more and making both shoulder mount (+ two handles) and gunstock (plus two handles) configurations. It was somewhat heavy and uncomfortable. Then I remembered KISS! I stripped out like half of the parts and am left with something much lighter, with many more configurations, all of which can be done with torque you can generate yourself with different parts and maybe a flat surface, hopefully with an edge. The result is lightweight, comfortable, and can be used in a ton of different configurations. I am still posting them all. I will be adding a third elbow for more options but here is what the parts are, there are, of course, some limitations to the configurations you can do and have the threads be tight, and not all require that they be fully tight. (but as I said they can all be tightened and loosened without a clamp using the parts included.) My personal favorite configuration right now uses one vertical handle on the left, with the camera mount (the flange) on the right, and the screen flipping out into the middle. You hold the handle and below the camera mount. The flange the camera or rods go on has four holes in it, all of which are usable, and it can be rotated around to proper position if needed. Sorry about the lack of scale and action shots, the handle piece from end of threads to handle end is almoooooost 7 inches.

Does it work as well as professionally made ones? No. Was it cheap as nothin' and get the job done? Yes.

The parts:
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/633/img1030v.jpg

Sort of one handle, in the back. One of several with a familiar shape for trekkies out there.
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1244/img1031y.jpg

Classic Shape, recognize it from poor-mans steadicam (only mini and minus the weight...works nicely though for holding the camera.)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/8418/img1033n.jpg

Another Trekkie shape that works decently although I don't like it too well.
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/621/img1035fer.jpg

[Ben_B]

Weird shape that can be flipped at least 3 different ways and used, sort of an example of all the weird different kinds of things you can do with it, there are a million like this one.
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5776/img1037x.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/img1037x.jpg/)

My personal favorite described above, although backwards.
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7670/img1041w.th.jpg (http://img8.imageshack.us/i/img1041w.jpg/)

[dsankey]

My first post after weeks of lurking & absorbing GH1 knowledge! (thanks to all for posting their findings, this site is an amazing resource.)

My question - has anyone used the Manfrotto Modosteady? Amazon has it for cheap right now ($87 US), and with the dual purpose shoulder-stabilizer action, it seems too good to be true. What's the catch?

[Abstract Photog]

My first post after weeks of lurking & absorbing GH1 knowledge! (thanks to all for posting their findings, this site is an amazing resource.)

My question - has anyone used the Manfrotto Modosteady? Amazon has it for cheap right now ($87 US), and with the dual purpose shoulder-stabilizer action, it seems too good to be true. What's the catch?
i was checkin those out for a while. i say the catch would be that the GH1 + kit lens
might be too heavy for it in steady cam mode. What's the weight limit suggested? b/c
the kit lens is a monster piece of glass. i really wasnt expecting it to be so big and heavy
when I got my stuff. i think maybe it would work with an alternative lens, but would
be too front heavy with the kit.

then again, the GH1 + kit lens does work with the Merlin...

[dsankey]

Ya, you're right - the GH1 & lens puts it at 2.03lbs / 920g, and the upper limit listed for the modosteady is 1.7lbs / 750g. It might still work though, or perhaps it would need extra weights...

[dmoreno]

I was also thinking on buying the ModoSteady for my GH1. Has anyone tried it recently?
I was thinking on using it on the shoulder-support mode, but would be great if the "steady-cam" mode would work too!

[JB_frenchy]

what do you think of this?
http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=4606

it seems very versatile for the price,
and can work as a poor-mans steadicam too i think

[Martti Ekstrand]

Magic arms are great to have around for anything that needs a quick rig so getting one isn't wrong anyway you look at it. I got the Manfrotto 361 monopod shoulder brace and it's excellent for stabilizing a light camera as GH1 for semi-hand held work.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/554100-REG/Manfrotto_by_Bogen_Imaging_361_361_Shoulder_Brace_ for.html

[gdfoto]

I submit article B for review. A quick preview of a variation on the Magic Arm mount that I made this weekend for the GH1. Based on a Manfrotto 2935 arm and with custom grips. I'll be posting a detailed write up on my blog by the end of the week. Granted "SteadiCam" mode doesn't work so well, but shoulder/arm pit mode lets me shoot all day.

http://www.gregdestefano.com/images/GDeStefano_GH1_8462.jpghttp://www.gregdestefano.com/images/GDeStefano_GH1_8465.jpg
http://www.gregdestefano.com/images/GDeStefano_GH1_8466.jpghttp://www.gregdestefano.com/images/GDeStefano_GH1_8471.jpg

[Ben_B]

Do you like the Rode videomic? thinking of getting one.

[gdfoto]

I've had it in my arsenal for several years now. It is head and shoulders above the built in mic, specifically as it records what is actually infront of the camera, vs the built in, which only seems to record me fumbling about and talking. Quality wise, I know an H4N and boom mic will get better sound, but that doesn't fit into my camera bag =)

[mtan]

this cavision seems nice for only $175

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/531903-REG/Cavision_RS1580S_SPE_RS1580S_SPE_Shoulder_Pad_with .html

[senomar]

i have a glidecam 4000 and vest that i used with the hvx... does anyone think putting rails/follow focus/matte box/etc on this or something similar with the GH1 will work? mainly, i'm concerned about operating the camera and focusing at the same time... i figured another person would have to be close to pull it... thoughts?

[gmoe]

gdfoto-- very cool, love that creative thinking.

I'm working on a doc where I'm sending the GH1 around the country in a small kit Joby gorillapod SLR and a heavy duty noga arm which has the flexibility to do some of the same things as your rig.

You can see it here: Skip to the middle section to see the demo of the "Gorillapod / Noga Arm Steadicam"

http://www.vimeo.com/6107606


Here's just a quick tutorial that I put together for the subjects who will be using the camera. Most of the users don't know how to use a camera so please forgive the dumbed down information concerning use of auto mode, etc. I just needed to create something simple that the most technically challenged could figure out.

[Mike@AF]

I was also thinking on buying the ModoSteady for my GH1. Has anyone tried it recently?
I was thinking on using it on the shoulder-support mode, but would be great if the "steady-cam" mode would work too!

I have one, but could not get it to balance. Works well for steadying hand held work a little bit or for a really quick shoulder mount.

[Easom Aerospace]

My verson. :2vrolijk_08:Cory

[muntus]

My verson. :2vrolijk_08:Cory

I actually bought one of the Easom cages and it is really built well. I might have to order some new pieces, in fact. When my Redrock DSLR mount comes in, I'll be able to see how well it works.

[Rayzrsharp]

Sometime I think we tend to over think things. Has anyone tried using a GORILLA POD? The small one. $29.99. You can configure it anyway you like. This thing is super tough too.

[henryciullo]

i use the big one (zoom version) as an emergency shoulder support. it works quite well. I use one leg against my shoulder and the other 2 against my chest.

[seanmcleod]

Here's what I use... I still have to add a monitor, an H4N, and gotta get a shock mount to throw my boom mic up top, which will all sit on the hot shoe multiplier, plus I'm ordering the 36" slider and a that Zaza outlined...

[TMH71]

I use the Foddis 120 Pro with some modifications.

http://www.foddis.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=29

[Richard J. Johnson]

My rig. Still waiting on my lens gears. I guess I could mount the zoom and the shotgun on here somewhere. I think I'm gonna get the Steadicam Vest and mount my HD4000 and get a pair of those Movie glasses and be done with it. :)
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/picture.php?albumid=176&pictureid=2521


http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/picture.php?albumid=176&pictureid=2523

[Ron Rodenmeyer]

@seanmcleod, what is the loupe viewfinder thing over the LCD? Does the LCD move when you press your eye against this? I would expect it to be unstable, since the LCD doesn't lock in place.

[seanmcleod]

Ron it's a hoodman loupe I find it works pretty well when the lcd is swung out as it does have a bit of a locked position at 180 degrees out and flipped. However you can see I modified the shoulder piece to give me an extra 4 or 5 inches of height so that the eye piece now lines up perfectly with my eye, so that with the lcd screen in that position, everything is where it needs to be. Before I did this, I did have to put it at an angle and the weight of the loupe was too much for the screen and would pop it down to the semi-locked position of straight on. The loupe itself is beautiful and really magnifies the screen well, however the strap which is also hoodman is a bit clumsy and I would say over priced for what it is, and doesn't fit snugly on the LCD, I think it was meant for like an HVX or DVX screen which has a little more thickness and size. So I'm going to make my own out of a stretchy material that will be tighter, hopefully!

[Ron Rodenmeyer]

Sean, that's some nice work you've done to make the Infifocus gear more usable. I'd like to know exactly how you raised (lowered?) the shoulder piece if you don't mind sharing. You've obviously put some kind of metal rod between the shoulder pad and the rail mount. I have this rig as well but just don't find it very ergonomic as it is. For one thing, it's just way to heavy. The carbon rods are awesome (albeit a little long) but the hardware is sooooo heavy.

I do a lot of work handheld with just a flash bracket to hold onto and press my eye into the viewfinder. I'm interested in using the Hoodman loupe attached to the LCD in "closed" position, just to get my face back from the cam a couple inches. Does it work in that configuration?

[seanmcleod]

You would have to come up with a pretty thin way of attaching the loupe to the LCD, so that it could still close, but even then, if you're using a shoulder support I think your neck would be at a really uncomfortable angle. You would be best to use it swung out like it's pictured above I think anyway.

As for the riser, i basically unscrewed the foam from the shoulder pad, removed the carriage bolt that holds the bottom clamp to the shoulder mount metal, and replaced it with a 4" carriage bolt. Then I got the two risers you see, who's bin numbers are 131262 and 131264. The smaller one is the right size, 10 I believe, and it screws onto the thread of the carriage bolt, whereas the longer one is a bit bigger and just covers the bolt, but provides just the right amount of extra height. Then the bottom of the clamp, onto the rails and then the tightening screw. Presto!