QuestFest - Official Rules - Please read carefully

[Jason Ramsey]

Ok, folks... Consider this a draft and subject to revisions clarifications especially in the next day or so, but I wanted to get them out to you. think I've covered most of my bases.


DVXuser Announces QuestFest coming July 3rd, 2009
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The "Studio" has done the research and found that Quest is Best. The Studio believes that Quest is going to be the "IN" theme for the summer blockbuster season.

As such, they have decided to contract out a whole slew of Quest Themed Films for release on July, 4th.

What is QuestFest?


There’s something out there. Something virtually unobtainable. Something your protagonist needs despite the incredible odds and obstacles that stand in his/her way. They may need help along the way from new allies, but careful those allies don’t turn out to be wolves in Grandma’s clothing. Whether it’s sacred scrolls hidden in the land of the living dead, the phone number of that certain someone, a brain, a heart, a highly guarded diamond, a smile from an embittered friend – whatever it is your characters need more than anything else – their journey begins at DVXuser’s QUEST FEST.

Don't be afraid to dig deep. This can be more than just about getting through booby traps in an unearthed temple (which is fine). But it's also OK to ask what's REALLY at stake? What does it mean not only in terms of fame and fortune but emotionally, personally and / or psychologically to your characters if they fail?

THE PITCH

The studio does NOT feel it necessary to decide which films are good or bad, and has NO interest in partaking in that sort of subjective process. They would just as soon leave that up to the viewers to decide.

But, the studio does want to make sure that the filmmakers they enlist have a clear and strong vision of their project.

You must submit a written pitch via Private Message (PM) to one of the following "studio representatives": Larry R, Zak Forsman, Jack Daniel Stanley, David Jimerson.

They will then hand deliver your pitch to the studio for review in the Yellow Room and will get back to you as soon as possible.

You may also (if you wish, and in addition to the written pitch) submit a "Video Pitch" no more than Two (2) Minutes in length. After being greenlit, you may use your Video Pitch for promotional purposes around the web. Your pitch should not just be a compilation or montage, and must contain an oral or written explanation. You can feel free to be creative. The NO footage rule still applies.

Your pitch should be a brief synopsis of your idea that illustrates a clear and strong vision for your film. You should also be able to clearly and concisely express how your idea fully embraces the theme that the studio has chosen for their summer movie season.

The studio wants to know that you have a clear understanding of both your project, and the types of films we are looking for (Quest themed).

Again, the studio has absolutely NO interest in deciding whether they think your film idea is a good or bad one, and will NOT be pre-screening your entries on any such basis. They will leave that up to the viewers.

Your Pitch should ask and/or answer these three questions: What does your character(s) want? What are they willing to do to get it? What stands in their way?

Please note that you are NOT officially entered in the fest, and are NOT eligible for competition until you have submitted your "Pitch" to DVXuser, and have been "Greenlit" to begin production.

SHOOTING DATES

DVXuser has set March 23rd, 2009 - July 3rd, 2009 as the designated shooting dates for all QuestFest films.

Films MUST be made between this time. Deadline for entries is JULY 3rd, 2009 at 11 AM Pacific Daylight Time

ADD'L GUIDELINES, LIMITATIONS, & REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBMITTED FILMS


Each Filmmaker may submit a maximum of TWO (2) films. However, there is no limit to the number of films you may collaborate on, and you are encouraged to do so. Films MUST be separate, and not two halves of a whole film.
Films may be any Genre, provided they meet the required theme.
The maximum runtime of the films is not to exceed SIX MINUTES (6:00:00) + a leader that will be provided by DVXuser.

DVXFest is teaming up with CGIFest to provide a series of new leaders. From the leaders submitted to the current CGIFest festival, DVXuser will select at least one leader for you to use. You must include this leader at the very beginning of your film. NO EXCEPTIONS. The leader(s) for use will be provided at a later date. We will make a new sticky thread when this happens, as well as announce it here in the Official Rules.
The leader must remain visually unaltered.
You are free to alter the audio in ANY way you see fit. If audio is provided, you may use it, omit it, replace or replace it with your own (examples include, but are not limited to: overdubbed narration, v.o. music, etc.)
The leader will not count against your six minute runtime but will be in addition to. If your film exceeds six minutes + the length of the leader, you will be disqualified. NO EXCEPTIONS.
Film Title - You must include the title of your film in your film. This may be in any format and may be anywhere in the film.
You must have AT LEAST ONE (1) FRAME of credits at the END of your film. A MAXIMUM of FIFTEEN (15) SECONDS of credits will be permitted at the END of your film. This does NOT include any additional credits you place at the beginning of (or elsewhere in) your film.
Required Element - The required element for this fest is the Pitch Process.
Films may be shot with any camera and may be delivered in any aspect ratio. Depending on the viewing process this time around, if you have an unorthodox aspect ratio (such as "Again to Return" from LossFest, you may be required to submit a letter/pillarboxed version. Please just keep this in the back of your head as we move forward.
Films must be Rated "R" or lower... This is a hard R. If you are unsure, please ask first. Do NOT assume.
Absolutely NO Copyright Violations. Your material must be original, licensed, or royalty free. This includes (but is not limited to) Your script, music, sound effects, etc. DVXuser assumes no liability for copyright violations in your submitted entry.
All Filmmakers agree to grant DVXuser a NON-exclusive license to use your film for promotional purposes, for it to appear on a future DVXFest DVD (should there be one) or at a DVXuser Sanctioned Public Screening. We will make every attempt to contact you first if any of the above situations should apply to your film. If we cannot make contact, or you request us not to, we will not include your film.
You may NOT publicly exhibit any footage from your film entry, or shot for your film entry (this includes outtakes, alternate takes, etc) prior to the conclusion of the festival, or your participation in the festival. At such time you publicly exhibit any footage from your film, this will be seen as a forfeiture of any rights to prizes, awards, or acknowledgments. You will cease to be in competition at this point.

[B]EXCEPTION: If you have submitted your film to a LIVE Film Festival and been accepted (Slamdance for example) and your film will air before the conclusion of our festival, this is OK. This exception applies ONLY to LIVE festivals. Screening in any other online festival prior to the conclusion of QuestFest, will render your film invalid for competition in QuestFest. However, NO films may be publicly exhibited in any form prior to July 1st, 2009.
The Festival is open to every country and every language. However, if your film's dialog is in a language other than English, you must include English subtitles in your film.
There is NO Entry Fee. As always, our festivals are free and open to the public.
You may enter anonymously if you wish. However, you may ONLY do this with the pre-approval of DVXFest Staff.
DVXuser Moderators, and DVXFest staff, are free to enter films, and have them rated by the viewers. However, they will NOT be eligible for prizes.



OUTSIDE PROMOTION

You may promote your individual entry outside of DVXuser for the purposes of drawing attention to the festival and to let people know the work you are involved in.

This is NOT to include any kind of vote begging whatsoever. The purpose is to draw attention to the festival and to your individual entry, not to garner votes.

You must also include a direct link to the QuestFest forum, not just your own thread.

DVXuser will not tolerate any kind of spammish behavior.

Any outside activities deemed by the festival staff to be considered "spammy" or "vote beggy" may lead to your immediate disqualification from the festival.

Outside promotion is part of the filmmaking process, so we encourage you to take full advantage of it and enjoy spreading the word about your film. Be creative and have fun with it :)

UPLOAD INFORMATION

File format and size restrictions will be announced at a later date as we are going to try to implement a new viewing system for the next fest, time permitting. So, stay tuned for that. In the meantime, you should keep our usual upload format and info in mind (h.264 .mov or .mp4 of 50megs) and be prepared to fall back on that.

If everything works out well, you will be able to submit any one of several different formats for live streaming of all festival entries. And, if not this fest then for a future fest, the ability to embed your film into your own thread, with the rating stars embedded there in the player as well.

None of this is official mind you.... Just some of where we are trying to head moving forward.

However we do this, we will make every reasonable effort to have the upload page available to you by Monday, June 22nd, 2009, and have it remain open until the upload deadline passes. This will allow you plenty of time to upload your film for rules compliance screening, and to make any necessary adjustments.

CONCERNING TRAILERS/TEASERS

I keep going back and forth on this. I have decided the following:

If you wish to make a teaser/trailer for your film, you may BUT... It may NOT contain any live action footage of any kind WHATSOEVER. Whether from your film or not. Absolutely NO live action footage. So, think of it more as a promo than a trailer.

But, don't forget, that if you make a Video Pitch, and submit it to the "studio" first, you may use it for promotional purposes. The No Footage from your film still applies.

You MAY make teasers/promotionals promoting DVXFest on the whole, and these may be displayed at anytime. The NO Footage rule, still applies of course. You MAY use footage from previous festivals, but please obtain the filmmaker's permission for any clips you would like to use in this manner.

IF you are not absolutely sure that your teaser would be legal, then you need to ASK FIRST.


VIEWING AND VOTING PERIOD

The films will go live on July 4th, 2009. There will be two rounds of rating, and the rating system will be much the same as it has been for the past several fests... a 10 star rating system. We will have an additional sticky thread that will post as a FAQ/Q&A for the rating period.

The first round of Rating will take place from July 4th, 2009 (at the time the viewing officially opens) until 11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, July 14th, 2009.

Once the first round of rating closes, we will review and verify the results and in the same day announce a to be determined number of films that will be designated "Finalists". The 2nd round of rating will run from July 14th, 2009 until July 23rd, 2009.

Anyone who is a registered DVXuser Member will be eligible to rate the films. However, only those persons ratings with 50 posts or more, (or if you are a submitting filmmaker) will determine the Finalists and the Winners of the festival acknowledgments and prizes (if any).

All other ratings will be for the benefit of the filmmakers to receive data on the how good the audience thought their film was, and we will also announce an "Audience Favorite" that will reflect the highest overall rated film, including ALL ratings.

2ND ANNUAL INTERNATIONAL DVXFEST SCREENING

This is not a guarantee, but we are going to make every effort to plan for and hold our 2nd Live Screening of the Finalist films (and potentially other past DVXFest entries) in or around the Hollywood/Los Angeles area. The date for this screening will be after round two rating closes on or around July 24th or 25th, 2009.

If we are able to pull this off, we will announce the winners at the end of the screening, and will also air the screening live via webcast.

If you are interested in helping to plan and/or organize the screening and feel you will be able to contribute to making this thing go off, please feel free to contact me at jason at landmine dot tv

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So, I think that pretty much covers everything. DVXuser reserves the right to make alterations, clarifications, and/or modifications to the rules until April 27th, 2009. Please keep an eye on this thread for any updates.

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If you have any questions at all please feel free to ask away here in the rules thread, or, if you prefer, PM a moderator. But, let's all try to remain calm and civil as it will help the flow of information and ensure that as many people as possible have the most enjoyable festival experience possible. Please do not assume anything. If you are not absolutely certain, ask us first so we can clarify, and also make any changes necessary to the rules in the even that any confusion is caused by a lack of clarity within them.

Good Luck, and Enjoy QuestFest!

Later,
Jason

[Robbie Comeau]

Sounds good!

Loving it.

Robbie

[Rodney V. Smith]

And so we begin...

[Jason Ramsey]

so send me your pitch, Puck... I know you are raring to go :)

later,
Jason

[Rodney V. Smith]

so send me your pitch, Puck... I know you are raring to go :)

later,
Jason

done! Time to go finish the last 2 pages in the script....

[Vader]

Bilbo Baggins!!! Do not take me for a conjurer of cheap tricks! I am not trying to rob you!!!

***

Whoa... my bad. I just had a Lord of the Rings moment there..

[RodThompson]

As a writer/producer, can I pitch a script/story for preapproval even though I won't be directing?

[Jason Ramsey]

you mean a script that you want to do and offer up to dvxuser's to do for the fest? sure.

You mean a script that you are doing for a specific dvxuser member? Sure, I guess :)

later,
jason

[RodThompson]

Sweet. I have the mad query letter skills, and depending on the director, I'm hoping to produce this time. Thanks, J.

[Norm Sanders]

Hmmm..... (thinking, thinking, thinking....)

[Chad_from_Chad]

I'm so excited. Hope I can walk the walk half as well as the LossFest directors.

[Chad_from_Chad]

Hmmm..... (thinking, thinking, thinking....)
I've got a few that I've been brewing up since the poll!

[Brian Parker]

Loving the chance to hone the pitching skills. This fest is gonna be awesome...

[Luis_]

Hmmm..... (thinking, thinking, thinking....)


Me too!
My Crew wasn't up for LossFest,
But I am in like Flinn this time around.

Oh yeah and Puck, YOU ARE the mad! lol....

Good luck to us all...

--Luis

[Jeff Anderson]

I've got an idea but it will take a few weeks to get everything nailed down that will make it possible - Should I go ahead and pitch it and re-pitch something else should it fall through or should I wait to pitch? Or do you care....

Liking the new rules on this alot guys. Also excited about another screening - will try to make it there this time around!

[Chris Messineo]

Great contest idea and the new "pitch" requirement sounds like fun.

I already have my story idea and my title, now I just need to get to work on my pitch.

Thanks to the mods for putting this altogether.

[Ezekiel667]

This is gonna be a fun one. And it'll definitely help me with thinking about my pitching skills, which are, needless to say, terrible. Now I just have to get a good idea and roll with it.

[PaPa]

Bilbo Baggins!!! Do not take me for a conjurer of cheap tricks! I am not trying to rob you!!!

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Whoa... my bad. I just had a Lord of the Rings moment there..

I had one of those too, doing some sort of lord of the rings tribute haha.

I haven ever once been involved in any of the DVXuser fests, maybe now's the time?.

[Tim Joy]

Seeing as how I usually spend 85% of the time writing... and rewriting.... and on and on until shooting day, how much does this require RE-pitching?

Heck, I even re-wrote the story once it got to editing.

Maybe you could give us an example of a pitch?

[Zim]

I'm guessing they just want a outline more or less. Jason said yesterday like on the back of a DVD. So the story can change around as long as it has the basic idea,,,I guess!!

[Luis_]

New Jersey and Philadelphia readers... Let me know if you want to collab.
I will be asking this in a few different areas.
thanks,
--Luis

[Tim Joy]

Just another thought on the streaming options for viewing...

I don't know if I'm just really behind the times or how many other people may be in a similar boat, but my daily computer (laptop) is too slow to stream the motionbox videos and any HD vimeo movie. My editing computer can stream vimeo fine, but it's on an older OS and can't get the latest flash and/or latest browser in order to stream either motionbox or youtube HD videos. I should upgrade, I know, but "don't fix it if it ain't broke", right?

So, if we have a streaming option only, it might exclude some people like me who are stuck in the computer stone age.* Just food for thought.

*translation- Computer that is 3 years old or older.

[Jason Ramsey]

we will also have the files available for download if we do that, so no worries there... there are a lot of logistical things to think about with this, so it might not even happen this fest.... just something we are working on.

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yeah, we don't need or want a huge detailed pitch. just sell us your idea in a clean cut, concise manner.

maybe puckthemad will share his with you.

If your whole plotline changes, then yes, you might want to re-pitch us... other than that... no big deal.

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On when to pitch, etc.... Whenever you want, but I would recommend the sooner the better, so you can get it out of the way, and if we request clarification or a new pitch, you can deaal with that and have it done early, rather than later.

later,
Jason

[Rodney V. Smith]

I cant see how writing a "pitch" will help other than putting off the less professional entrants. Is this the intention?
Providing I stick to the content rules, why should I need approval to make it?

It's a pitch people and it's standard wherever you go in the industry. You meet some busy investor who's got no time to meet you and you really need to get this guy nailed down, and he gives you the time in the elevator down to tell the story, you;d better have your elevator pitch prepared. It's your one shot at doing something and you;d better not blow it.. but turns out you can't because you never practiced tellin gyour story in one concise sentence. You don;t know why it's compelling, or what the core plot line is because the story diverges and splits too much and its complex and you don't want to sum it up and say "oh it's When Harry Met Sally" meets "Aliens", cuz that says nothing.

Pitches are good practice and these fests are about nothing else if not practice.

Besides, ever had a hard time telling an actor what the story is about? Can be embarrassing.

If you note, there's also going to be the screening in LA again this year. If and when that gets announced, it's open to all to attend, even those who didn't make the final 10. I'll leave that one open ended for you to draw yor own conclusions...

[lawriejaffa]

I think the pitch idea sounds great, excellent idea gents, that should allow for a bit of creativity on the part of the filmmaker and a bit more consistency for the festival!

[ZazaCast]

It's a "pitching contest"...:)

[stinkpot]

I'm in.

:beer:

[REHov520]

is there a certain time that pitches are due by?

[Jason Ramsey]

no. but the sooner the better, for your benefit.

later,
Jason

[Sprocketboy]

Is a month from now too late for my pitch? I've got a ton work to clear off my table.

[Jason Ramsey]

nope. that's fine.

late,
jason

[Rodney V. Smith]

I guess this means the traditional last minute entries are going to have to move a lot faster in order to get in. Or at least get greenlit early on.

[Jason Ramsey]

yup. you need to allow at least a day in order to get a response, as it isn't going to just be the person you send your pitch to making the decision.

and, might be best to allow a bit more than that if we come back and ask for further clarification or re-pitch or whatever.

Later,
jason

[ChrisHurn]

I think I'm going to enter Quest Fest. I've been watching these fests since sci fest...and needless to say I'm a little scared about my first entry! Better get to work. :)

[ZazaCast]

I think I'm going to enter Quest Fest. I've been watching these fests since sci fest...and needless to say I'm a little scared about my first entry! Better get to work. :)

No worries...jump in, the waters fine!
(but watch out for the sharks)

[Rodney V. Smith]

No worries...jump in, the waters fine!
(but watch out for the sharks)

Don;t you mean the dolphins?

[ZazaCast]

Don;t you mean the dolphins?

LMAO!!! That's right...watch out for those Dolphins!:):beer:

[KTOOFRESH]

all right i'm ready for the next one lets roll...

[MrFluffy]

Ok, so my short pitch got a tentative yes but they want more details. My pitch clearly gives the theme so what exatly is it that you guys actually want?

All this does is put me off doing this. I'm a software engineer who makes films for fun. Why should I have to tell them all of story before I make it? This is not Fun!

Maybe you should post up some examples for the non-professionals to read, rather than make us guess. Not everyone on here is even remotly interested in getting hollywood contacts.

[RodThompson]

Dude, I'm in the Navy making films for fun. This is TOTALLY FUN!

It goes beyond just making the film...you ARE the director/producer. If they want more details, go over plot points, character vibes and personas. Rock their house!

[Zim]

Most people will have to think of an idea to pitch first.

[Jason Ramsey]

Ok, so my short pitch got a tentative yes but they want more details. My pitch clearly gives the theme so what exatly is it that you guys actually want?

All this does is put me off doing this. I'm a software engineer who makes films for fun. Why should I have to tell them all of story before I make it? This is not Fun!

Maybe you should post up some examples for the non-professionals to read, rather than make us guess. Not everyone on here is even remotly interested in getting hollywood contacts.

Don't freak out guys... geez... If you get put off that easily... well, then...

You sent us two short sentences... We asked you for more information and you sent us the exact same thing??? You serious? come on, man... You can do better than that.... take a breath... give it anothere shot. two sentences ain't gonna cut it. they were two good sentences, but we are looking for more like a short paragraph.

[Zim]

Jason I hope you guys don't take the fun out of the fest. First we have to please the mods? Think about it. First all we have to do is write up a pitch and make it sound really awesome. You,sorry, the studio gives them the "green light" and we can make whatever we want after that right? Will you later say "wait you did not follow your pitch close enough you are out"

I say pitch the pitch idea.

[Jason Ramsey]

We're looking for more like a paragraph on these things, not 15 words. Think back of a DVD for an idea.

If we ask for more information, don't take it personally. Explain it to us like we are 12 :)

Don't be afraid to give away details of your story. We won't leak anything out :)

We just want you to think a little. We want to be able to feel very comfortable that the theme is central, and not just a part of your story, or an afterthought. We don't really have any interest otherwise...

The "pitch" is just a word. The definition of what we mean by that is in the rules. If you are going to write an entire script and/or shoot a whole movie, writing a paragraph that meets our requests shouldn't be that much of a burden. If it is, then working through the pitch process will only help you in the end.

"There is a guy named x... he is looking for y... will he find it?" is not enough.

Hope that helps clear it up a bit for you guys that aren't clear on it.

Don't stress over it. It's not a big deal, and we are asking a lot of people to elaborate or answer questions for us, etc... Remember, we know nothing about your film other than what you tell us. We may "get it", but we'll still ask for more, b/c we want you to make us get it. Not us fill in the blanks.

later,
Jason

[Jason Ramsey]

Jason I hope you guys don't take the fun out of the fest. First we have to please the mods? Think about it. First all we have to do is write up a pitch and make it sound really awesome. You,sorry, the studio gives them the "green light" and we can make whatever we want after that right? Will you later say "wait you did not follow your pitch close enough you are out"

I say pitch the pitch idea.

Dude... you guys are making it too complicated. NO... WE WON'T... Unless you make a completely different movie than what you pitched us. Just show us in the clearest way possible that you understand the theme, and that the theme is central to your story. Period. challenging you a little does not = no fun... well, maybe for some of you it does....

Or, if you guys prefer, we can put in the requirement that your character must say x,y,z, or that you must have some random object in your film..... (and that is rhetorical... does not require an answer)

later,
Jason

[ChrisHurn]

I don't see what the big problem is about pitching! If you know the story, you know the theme, you know what you want, the vision, etc. you should easily be able to write a paragraph about it! It's such a simple task! It's good practice for when you sit down and talk it through with your cast and crew... Come on fellas, just get it done so you can go out and make your movies! :)

[Jason Ramsey]

Here is the most important question you guys and gals should ask yourself when thinking of the pitch and your story:

What is at stake? The stakes should be very high... Either great reward for succeeding in the quest, or great peril if they do not succeed.

What is at stake? This should always be the first question you ask of your main character(s). This is especially true with QuestFest.

What is at stake? If the stakes are not high, then there isn't much of a quest.

later,
Jason

[MrFluffy]

3 pitches, and a skeliton treatment and no green light. Its not FUN by any stretch of the imagination.

[Rodney V. Smith]

MrFluffy, I sent you a copy of my pitch. Hope it helps. It's really not that hard once you know your story and what they're looking for. And liek Jsaon says, what the stakes are.

[Jason Ramsey]

Fluffy is almost there... He sent me his skeleton treatment, and then I knew what was up. Now, I can see.

For the record, two of your pitches were the exact same, and the third was born out of frustration :)

Anyways, I'll get one of the other mods to write some info up that may help those of you who are feeling a little uncomfortable with the idea or confused by it.

We aren't trying to filter anyone out. On the contrary, our goal is to have as many folks as possible in the fest. But, we also want everyone to go in on solid ground, and make sure that everyone is on the same page with regards to the theme.

If you are one of the one's feeling a bit overwhelmed by this new part of the process, don't. Just relax, and feel free to ask questions. We will help you in any way possible. We aren't just going to kick someone to the curb. We want everyone to be as successful as possible, and have fun, but to also take your craft seriously. A good many of you will not have any trouble at all. Some will, and we will help you through it. It's a new element, and there will invariably be some growing pains as a result... But, we do ask you to embrace it as it will (in our opinion) be good for the fest on the whole come three months from now.... we shall see anyways. But, until then, just roll with it, and don't get discouraged. It doesn't have to be difficult.

later,
jason

[truehuss]

hey Jason, have u guys ever thought of making a "beginner fest" for new filmmakers ( like myself) to drop premiere there FIRST film for you guys?? That way it would be easier for people like myself to feel comfortable in that I'm competing with someone on a similar level.. (although, I am not afraid to go up against an established filmmaker.. I like competition) Just a thought.

anyways, I do not have 50 posts yet but hopefully i will by the time this things goes down. could I submit an outline OR do I have to wait til I hit 50 posts? I would like to try my hand at one of these Fests .

thanks.. and love the site BTW!!

[Rodney V. Smith]

It's just about communicating the heart of the story and what drives it. Once you know that, you can explain your story to anyone because everyone will be asking what it's about. After you get this done you'll feel so much more confident about the story and how you can tell it. otherwise you might find yourself writing and not likign what you've written because you've gone so far off track... something like this is a reminder of what track you're on.

Personally I've gone off track so many times, just in the past week working on the script for another movie. All of these characters wanted to get introduced, different things wanted to happen.... and it didn't fit the goal or the heart of the story. Once those elements were taken out, the story flowed so much easier.. and it was becasue of the reminder of the original pitch we wrote when we first sat down to write the story.

It's basically: This is what happens, and why.

[jakestarkey]

Pitching is a part of the filmmaking process, whether it's too a studio (or psuedo-studio) or to investors.

If you make movies for fun, great. If you have no desire to ever ask for permission to make a film, more power to you.

But filmmaking is a collaborative process and requires the writer to convince a director/producer, a director to convince a cast, a director to convince a crew, etc. In essence every time you get a cast or crew member you're having to 'pitch' your story to them.

I'm working on a pitch right now, and without having read the posts I know it's gotta be more then a TV Guide one-liner and shorter then a dissertation on the essence of what I want to make.

Don't fret people, the mod's are trying to raise the quality of the productions overall, not just in look but in story.

I personally think it's a good idea (up until the point my movie doesn't win lol).

Really I want to do it to have fun, to have a set of guidelines to follow such as deadlines, theme, etc.

If I don't win, whatever, it's about having fun. If it's not fun, then just make a short on your own and post a link, it doesn't have to be a "QuestFest" short unless you want it to be.

[Jason Ramsey]

hey Jason, have u guys ever thought of making a "beginner fest" for new filmmakers ( like myself) to drop premiere there FIRST film for you guys?? That way it would be easier for people like myself to feel comfortable in that I'm competing with someone on a similar level.. (although, I am not afraid to go up against an established filmmaker.. I like competition) Just a thought.

anyways, I do not have 50 posts yet but hopefully i will by the time this things goes down. could I submit an outline OR do I have to wait til I hit 50 posts? I would like to try my hand at one of these Fests .

thanks.. and love the site BTW!


You do not have to have 50 posts in order to enter the fest. anyone can enter, and all who meet the basic guidelines will be accepted for viewing.

The 50 posts rule is for rating the films in order to determine winners... But, if you have an entry, you don't even have to have 50 posts to do that. Plus, this time around, we are letting everyone who is a dvxuser member rate the films. However, only those with 50 posts or more will decide winners of prizes (if any). We will also do an overall audience favorite that will include all ratings.

The fest is for everyone. Try not to feel discouraged by the "competition" aspect of it. That is part of it, and it is a competitive business, but the fests are primarily here to foster new work, and encourage new filmmakers to come out of the woodwork.

Once upon a time, Jack Daniel Stanley made his first film for a dvxfest. There are numerous examples of folks making their first film for a dvxfest and either doing very well on their first outing, or growing along the way to become some of those people you feel uncomfortable competing against.

So, if you would like to enter, you are free to do so, and you may submit your outline/pitch/whatever at any time you are ready.

Everyone will have their own motivation for entering the fest and the fest will be as successful to you as you want it to be. Just depends upon your motivations and expectations. Placing, prizes, etc... all that is just gravy to me. It's great to be able to reward the hard work of the members with prizes, but that is not the focus of the fests from the perspective of dvxuser. Again, it all depends upon your motivation for entering and your expectations. There is something for everyone in the fests in my opinion.

Later,
Jason

[Jason Ramsey]

Pitching is a part of the filmmaking process, whether it's too a studio (or psuedo-studio) or to investors.

If you make movies for fun, great. If you have no desire to ever ask for permission to make a film, more power to you.

But filmmaking is a collaborative process and requires the writer to convince a director/producer, a director to convince a cast, a director to convince a crew, etc. In essence every time you get a cast or crew member you're having to 'pitch' your story to them.

I'm working on a pitch right now, and without having read the posts I know it's gotta be more then a TV Guide one-liner and shorter then a dissertation on the essence of what I want to make.

Don't fret people, the mod's are trying to raise the quality of the productions overall, not just in look but in story.

I personally think it's a good idea (up until the point my movie doesn't win lol).

Really I want to do it to have fun, to have a set of guidelines to follow such as deadlines, theme, etc.

If I don't win, whatever, it's about having fun. If it's not fun, then just make a short on your own and post a link, it doesn't have to be a "QuestFest" short unless you want it to be.

You pretty much summed up a lot of things for me there... Nice post :)

later,
jason

[Jason Ramsey]

Ok, I just added this to the "Pitch" section of the rules... And, folks it's really as simple as this. And, these are questions you should always ask yourself, not just for this fest.

In your pitch, ask and/or answer these 3 questions:

What does your character want?

what are they willing to do to get it?

what stands in their way?

For many of you, this will come naturally. for otthers, I hope that helps a bit. These are basic questions when developing a character as an actor, or a scriptwriter, etc... In the case of QuestFest, the stakes should be high.

later,
Jason

[kyrre]

Cool, I'm in.

[Jeff Anderson]

Ahh that helps a good bit there Jason - wasn't really looking at it from the "stakes" viewpoint yet. That helps alot...

[Zim]

Ok that helps. So really three requirements to meet.

[MrFluffy]

Yay, GreenLit. Thanks guys.
Sorry Ive been a pain in the ass, but maybe others will benefit from my cantancerousness. :)

[Larry Rutledge]

It's not requirements, it's a guideline. We're not trying to burden you down with a bucket load of tasks.

This is something, that if you intend to develop a solid entry, you should already be doing anyway. All we're asking is that you present it to us before you submit your entry so we can ensure the final story meets the theme.

Remember, we have always done this anyway, just in the past we did it after you submitted your film. We watched your entry, tried to extract the theme from your story and then ensure it fit the theme of the fest. If it did, it went through, if it did not, it did not go through.

We're not looking for over the top, crazy creative ways for you to present this to us. We simply want you to be able to explain your story in a clear and concise manner. Again, this is something you should do anyway before you start working on your script, let alone the remainder of the production.

If you can't explain the heart of your story, what its theme is, what the main character wants, who/what is trying to stop him/her, and what happens if they fail then you will not be able to write your script, not be able to explain the story to potential investors, crew, cast and will have a difficult time promoting the story.

We're not saying people weren't doing this before, we just made it a part of the process to help people really think about what story they want to tell.

We have never been about disqualifying entries, in fact quite the contrary. I can count on one hand the number of disqualifications we've enacted and it was always for clear rule violations, not some esoteric reason or because the "mod's" didn't like the entry.

We, the mods, spend countless hours trying to make sure that every thing we do in these fests is for your benefit. We don't just throw out ideas and see what sticks, we discuss and debate every decision until we are sure it is the right decision. And that does not mean we do not evaluate it's success, or lack of success, once implemented. We do evaluate it and make adjustments; or, where necessary, remove it.

[MrFluffy]

I think the problem is one of communication. Those that have done this before know what they mean when you ask for a pitch. When I wrote my first one liner I had no idea of what was needed. It took Jasons patience to explain to me what was needed so I could get it right.

Now this information is being posted here it should stop other having the same problem.

I would suggest though that a new "Whats in the pitch" thread be created and made sticky so that other noobs dont have the same problems I did.

[Jason Ramsey]

we're already working on putting something together fluffy :)

It's all part of the process, and we will do whatever is necessary to help you guys through it as we see needs arising.

In the meantime, folks don't be shy to ask your questions here or in pm if you are unclear about anything at all... It will be to everyone's benefit if you do, and it's a whole heck of a lot better than getting flustered over any lack of understanding you may havee.

later,
Jason

[Luis_]

Wohoo! My Story is done!

[Chamber005]

Maybe an odd question, but regarding issues of copywright -- do characters apply? I've seen some great shorts like "Grayson" and "Batman: Dead End" (they're making a part 2! Yay!). Do these sorts of entries violate copywright rules for this fest? I know that Grayson has won numerous awards on the festival circuit, so I'm assuming that copywright law doesn't extend to characters so long as it's not for profit?

Thanks --

[Jason Ramsey]

I think that if you were talking about Batman, for example, there would be potential trademark issues, and if one were going to try to make a Batman film, they would almost definitely run into issues with the owners to the rights of any Batman movies.

parodies and such typically fall into another category..

I'm not really qualified on copyright issues, but I would say no

Not for profit making it "okay" is a dangerous assumption...

Maybe shoot a pm of what you are thinking about specifically and we can better address your question.

later,
Jason

[Edgen]

good luck everyone! I'm hoping to get off my tail and actually make one this time. :)

cheers,
/j

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

good luck everyone! I'm hoping to get off my tail and actually make one this time. :)

cheers,
/jI think this theme would be perfect for you actually. Hopefully you'll enter this time around.

MAH

[lawriejaffa]

I think the new requirements are going to dramatically increase the standard of work - it will force people to think more about their entries, and ensure better consistency among the entries.

It can do no harm to the filmmakers really. We all want flexibility with our creativity but too many folk i think have squeezed in all kinds of tales that have nothing really to do with the festival theme. The challenge is to create something that deals with the theme (not in finding a way to circumvent it.) In many ways it will also level the playing field for those who take compromises in making works true to the theme and those that produce imo easier 'populist' works :P thats my 5 pence :P

[Rodney V. Smith]

I think the new requirements are going to dramatically increase the standard of work - it will force people to think more about their entries, and ensure better consistency among the entries.

It can do no harm to the filmmakers really.

The complaints are merely an expression of a fear of change. Which is perfectly natural. They're seeing it as another rule to add and are wondering how many more rules are going to be added in the future.

They're not seeing the practical benefits in this and how it can only help to improve the quality of the final project. Better more fully realized script = better production in the end.

[lawriejaffa]

Yep true enough puck mon amie - and you can never have enough practice writing pitches! Especially for us low budget indy director/producers!

[jasonthewho]

I apologize it this has been brought up but:



SHOOTING DATES

DVXuser has set March 23rd, 2009 - July 3rd, 2009 as the designated shooting dates for all QuestFest films.

Films MUST be made between this time. Deadline for entries is JULY 3rd, 2009 at 11 AM Pacific Daylight Time


seems to conflict with:



The films will go live on July 1st, 2009.

[Jason Ramsey]

sorry. I changed a couple of dates around before posting it and missed that. July 3rd is what you want. Films will go live on the 4th.

later,
Jason

[Adam J McKay]

I swear i will have a film in this festival. The time is now.

[Erez Henya]

Cool concept!

Good luck, my friends!

[Robert Eldon]

Jason,
Regarding promotion. Is it OK to list a film that we are working on for QuestFest on our own website with the title, synopsis, production status, etc.? I understand no footage.

Thanks.

[Jason Ramsey]

yes.

later,
jason

[Luis_]

Minor clarification needed.

When I post the thread for my film, are BTS pictures taken from a regular still picture camera allowed on the thread before the viewings, or are they considered footage shots?

By the way, pitch submitted.

Thank you,
--Luis

_

[Martin Landsburg]

Hi I have a few questions that I haven't found in the rules or in other posts, maybe it's obvious but I just want to make sure:

1. What if I want to make changes to the outline that conflict with my original pitch?
Do those changes have to be 'greenlit' as well?

2. My story has an open ending, to leave room for a sequel. Kind of empire strikes back style sad ending, the quest could be over at this point. However, the sequel will have a more conclusive ending to the main character's quest. Is this allowed, or must there be a definite, closed ending?

Thanks!
Martin

[Jason Ramsey]

Minor clarification needed.

When I post the thread for my film, are BTS pictures taken from a regular still picture camera allowed on the thread before the viewings, or are they considered footage shots?

By the way, pitch submitted.

Thank you,
--Luis

_

Frame grabs or bts shots are both acceptable. just no MOVING footage.... You can post grabs straight from your camera though if you want. that is fine.

Later,
Jason

[Jason Ramsey]

Hi I have a few questions that I haven't found in the rules or in other posts, maybe it's obvious but I just want to make sure:

1. What if I want to make changes to the outline that conflict with my original pitch?
Do those changes have to be 'greenlit' as well?

2. My story has an open ending, to leave room for a sequel. Kind of empire strikes back style sad ending, the quest could be over at this point. However, the sequel will have a more conclusive ending to the main character's quest. Is this allowed, or must there be a definite, closed ending?

Thanks!
Martin

If your story *drastically* changes to the point that it renders your pitch invalid, then yes.... But, if the theme largely stays the same.... you should be fine. If you aren't sure, it certainly won't hurt to submit a pitch again to be on the safe side.

2. sounds fine to me. sounds more like an artistic choice. whether successful or not, will be left to the audience to decide. It won't be of our concern when reviewing pitches. We mainly just want you to show us that you understand the theme and that it is central and integral to your story. How your movie ends, is up to you.

Later,
Jason

[Martin Landsburg]

Thanks Jason!

I PM'd you my pitch.

[Martin Landsburg]

Thanks for the quick reply, I just replied you!

[MikeWilkinson]

I've never done a DVXfest but always wanted to... I actually starting working on a short for another online contest about 3 weeks before QuestFest was announced (d'oh) Looking over the rules I think the theme of a "Quest" would be an afterthought in my piece, and not really work like that, so I don't think I can enter it. I'll still post when it's done though! Good luck everyone! Maybe next time I'll get in on it...

[zeke]

Can pitches still be submitted? I want to contact my screenwriter and come up with some ideas if it's not too late.

[Martin Landsburg]

Hi I would like to know the rules on the following:

I want to show pictures of the locations I want to shoot at. However, these pictures were not taken by me, I found them on the net. Can I still show them in my thread? Or must I link to those pictures?

Thanks!
Martin

[Jason Ramsey]

if the pictures are not yours, I would not use them without permission.

zeke... yes... pitches have no deadline... just so long as you get them in soon enough, to allow us a couple of days leeway to look at them and get back to you. deadline for film entries is july 1st (I think), so just make sure you allow yourself the time you need to make the film :)

Later,
Jason

[miamivideo]

Hi Jason,
How long do you guys take to review the pitch since the private is sent?

[Zacatac]

For me it was about a day and a half...

But jason also apologized for it taking a bit long... So expect in within 24hours...


(I feel like a mod saying this)

[miamivideo]

For me it was about a day and a half...

But jason also apologized for it taking a bit long... So expect in within 24hours...


(I feel like a mod saying this)

It's been 2 days since and I was worried.

[Zacatac]

It's been 2 days since and I was worried.

resend it then:thumbup:

[MrFluffy]

My entry has a lot of CG. Can I post individual frame renders to my thread and my blog without violating the rules.

[Ki-Ki]

Could we write a script for QuestFest, based off or inspired from a book (or series of books)?
If we can't contact & obtain permission from the author?

[armisiano]

What's the usual turn around time between pitch submission and response?

[Jason Ramsey]

should be a day or two... but, if you sent them to me over the last week or two, I've got a stack of them. I got off track from NAB and other things.

I'm trying to figure out who sent them to someone else, and who is still outstanding... will try to get around to them all in the next day or two.

Later,
Jason

[Ki-Ki]

Jason's an Administrator?
Congrat's.

[DChang]

Thanks Jason, was wondering.

[armisiano]

Come tomorrow it'll be a full week since my pitch submission. I'm worrying for my film as I lose time.

[DChang]

Come Friday it will be 2 weeks for me. Maybe resubmitting to another admin will help?

[armisiano]

Come Friday it will be 2 weeks for me.

Ouch. Are you going to go ahead with the production anyway? (or have you already been?)

[DChang]

I will try. The shooting schedule is the toughest part. I have plenty of time to work on post while at work.

[Brandon Rice]

guys, the pitch is easy... they're just looking to make sure it's a legitimate quest :)

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

guys, the pitch is easy... they're just looking to make sure it's a legitimate quest :)It's not the pitch that they're having trouble with. It's the green light. :)

But... you guys should really be getting underway regardless. It's about making movies.

Even if you go ahead and make a film that's not quite Quest Fest worthy, you still have a film under your belt!

PM them again and get out there and shoot something!

MAH

[Jason Ramsey]

they'll be coming soon through guys... sorry, lot going on and got behind with nab.

They've all been posted and will get back to you soon.

don't forget, there are other mods... you can always submit your pitches to one of the other mods listed as well :)

later,
Jason

[armisiano]

Come Friday it will be 2 weeks for me. Maybe resubmitting to another admin will help?

So have you gotten a response yet to your pitch? Or are you approaching week 3 now?

Tomorrow will be the beginning of my 3rd week, completion of my 2nd.

I'll be honest, I like the pitch concept, but I don't think that the mods quite know how to make it work yet. Maybe by next fest it'll work out better. Ah well. Life is a work in progress.

[DChang]

Yes sorry I didn't post earlier, I sent the pitch again but to another mod and they got back to me, I also see that Zak is now one of the pitch mods so I would send it to him. I sent mine to JDS and got a good quick conversation about it so it's moving along.

Good luck.

[Jason Ramsey]

sorry guys. i took my name off the list b/c i haven't been able to get back to you quickly enough. Zak has replaced me on the list of folks to send pitches to.

later,
jason

[Zak Forsman]

Please feel free to send me your pitches. The only thing that will delay a greenlight from me within 24 hours is sending an underdeveloped "tease" that doesn't clearly illustrate your story and how you are embracing the "quest" theme. Easy. :)

[fixitinpost]

Does the "No Footage" rule apply to BTS footage?

[ZazaCast]

Does the "No Footage" rule apply to BTS footage?
Shouldn't... only footage that would appear in the film. Please, post some BTS stuff.:beer:

[dsto]

There was mention in the rules for Questfest that there may be a change in the upload guidelines. Anyword on that or are we going with the same rules as previous fests (50mb limit, etc,etc...)?

[RodThompson]

Since I'm out of the closet with the style of my film, I was wondering is I could get a waiver to "AGE" the leader a bit, as to fit the feel of my film. It feels awkward to have to totally cool, crystal clear leader in front of a grunged out Grindhouse flick. I won't change the leader in any way other than aging it, which is topical.

[vnguyen972]

I think there's no problem of doing that. I did that last time, CC it to match my film on the last Fest.

[Noel Evans]

And another leader question, does the sound have to be used?

[vnguyen972]

It was an option on LossFest; meaning that you can use your own sound. Nothing said about that on the first post on the rules... so I think it's still ok, but i guess the MOD has to confirm that :-)

[RodThompson]

Nah, it says in the first post you can remove the sound.

[ZazaCast]

Since I'm out of the closet with the style of my film, I was wondering is I could get a waiver to "AGE" the leader a bit, as to fit the feel of my film. It feels awkward to have to totally cool, crystal clear leader in front of a grunged out Grindhouse flick. I won't change the leader in any way other than aging it, which is topical.

Yeah... I don't know this time:
The leader must remain visually unaltered.

I think grinding it up IS visually altering it?

[RodThompson]

Yeah, but all it consists of is a little fading and some the small details. That's why I asked, though. God I hope I can...

[dsto]

There was mention in the rules for Questfest that there may be a change in the upload guidelines. Anyword on that or are we going with the same rules as previous fests (50mb limit, etc,etc...)? Anyone?

[ZazaCast]

Can I get a better description of what you consider a "Hard R rating"?
Is topless O.K.?
Is full frontal nudity O.K.?
Are barnyard animals in lingerie O.K.?

[RodThompson]

Can I get a better description of what you consider a "Hard R rating"?
Is topless O.K.?
Is full frontal nudity O.K.?
Are barnyard animals in lingerie O.K.?


Are the animals shorn?

[ZazaCast]

Are the animals shorn?

Yes...all of them, just not the monkey!:2vrolijk_08:

[dsto]

"Originally Posted by dsto http://dvxuser.com/V6/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1667705#post1667705)
There was mention in the rules for Questfest that there may be a change in the upload guidelines. Anyword on that or are we going with the same rules as previous fests (50mb limit, etc,etc...)?"



"Originally Posted by dsto>"
Anyone? "

Anyone?

[Jason Ramsey]

looking like it will be the same as last time... We just couldnt' get around to rolling out a whole new system in time for this one, but it's still in the works.

later,
jason

[ZazaCast]

I'd figure a 50mb limit...and wait to hear what the plan is...
They always let us know.

[ZazaCast]

Any new information on:

1. the DVX leader?

2. However we do this, we will make every reasonable effort to have the upload page available to you by Monday, June 22nd, 2009, and have it remain open until the upload deadline passes. This will allow you plenty of time to upload your film for rules compliance screening, and to make any necessary adjustments.

I'm concerned about the 'hard R' rating...

[Jason Ramsey]

what specifically are you concerned about with the hard r rating? you can pm if you prefer...

just put the uploading process in motion. Hopefully we can have that set up for you by tomorrow.

I'll check into the leaders and see where we are with that.

later,
jason

[Jason Ramsey]

check that. leaders and uploading should be available today sometime.

[Jason Ramsey]

or now:

http://www.dvxfest.com/upload/

[ZazaCast]

Thanks Jason...

[Jason Ramsey]

Larry is moving the leaders over now, and they should be available soon.

[Larry Rutledge]

Leaders are here:

http://www.dvxfest.com/leaders/

[ZazaCast]

I take it we can use any one of them?

[RodThompson]

No...just the ones written in yellow.

[ZazaCast]

No...just the ones written in yellow.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Rod. :kali:

[Ben Sliker]

question about the leaders. Our film (and I assume maybe a couple others) is 2.35:1. All of the leaders are 16:9. What are our options? Can we crop the leaders or pillarbox them, technically both those options would be "visually altering" the leader, but I REALLY don't want to have to letterbox my whole movie to fit the aspect ratio of the leader.

[Larry Rutledge]

If you can crop the leader without cutting off any of the content, then that will be acceptable. Otherwise Pillarboxing is probably the best option.

[Ben Sliker]

Thanks Larry!

[Martin Landsburg]

For Jason Ramsey or other mods: when are we allowed to screen our movie elsewhere? I want to show a longer version of my film, and promote trailers etc. When are we officially allowed to do this? After all votes are in? What date will that be?

Also: somewhere in this thread someone asked about posting BTS footage. Another person speculated it should be alright. Yet in the rules it says absolutely no footage of any kind. Can the mods give a final verdict on this please? Thanks!

[Zak Forsman]

when the first round of finalists are announced, if you aren't one if them, you can screen your film outside the festival. however, if your film is well received and still in the running to be a top three finalist and prize winner, you will have to further postpone outside exhibition viewing until the end of the festival (late July).

[Ben Sliker]

question about the leaders. Our film (and I assume maybe a couple others) is 2.35:1. All of the leaders are 16:9. What are our options? Can we crop the leaders or pillarbox them, technically both those options would be "visually altering" the leader, but I REALLY don't want to have to letterbox my whole movie to fit the aspect ratio of the leader.


If you can crop the leader without cutting off any of the content, then that will be acceptable. Otherwise Pillarboxing is probably the best option.

just to follow up on this. Would THIS:

7a9dd9b71016e2c1f5

be okay?

It's much more pleasing than pillarboxing. (Nevermind motionbox's silly letterboxed player, my film is in 2.35:1, same as the video in the player.)

[Jason Ramsey]

looks fine to me...

[Ben Sliker]

thanks Jason!

one more question. Do we have open viewing this time? You just have to sign in to vote right?

[Zak Forsman]

a few entries have had their approval delayed for the same reason, so here's a friendly reminder that the maximum running time for end credits is 15 seconds. :)

[Martin Landsburg]

hi i just want to know if i can post up my movie for friends and family with color correction and titles as they didnt make it for the deadline!
One of the titles is actually crucial to the story as it indicates era and location.

Thanks!

[Jason Ramsey]

Hey. Are you asking if you can post a film that you made for questfest but did not complete in time for the upload deadline?

If so, you can provide it to larry and he can put it in the exhibition cue.

If not, please elaborate. I didn't catch what you were saying.

later,
Jason

[Martin Landsburg]

No, actually I meant if I can show my film that I uploaded to Quesfest (the art of living) with titles and color correction. I didn't have time to finish cc and titles for questfest. I know it's perhaps too late for questfest, but at least i want to be able to show it to others properly. I don't mean a screening at a filmfest, but people have been asking me if they can see my film, and I'd like to show them the best version possible of course. They're not dvxuser members but cast, crew and film community members here in Bangkok. I'm asking just to make sure this practice doesn't disqualify me.

[bwind22]

I have a question about rating our own films. What is the norm here?

Are we allowed to rate our own? Does everyone just give themselves 10?

Honestly, I wouldn't give my film a 10 because I know there's room for improvement, but I don't want to put myself at a disadvantage either if everyone else is giving themselves 10s just because it is their own film. You know?

Can someone that has participated in a few of these before let me know the status quo? Thanks.

[ZazaCast]

I don't know what everyone else does... but I don't vote at all for my film (leave it blank)... I don't see how you could?

[Gord.T]

You may not want to vote for your own film. As a mod said in a past fest: "it's not classy." And they're right. Besides, even if you won because of padding, what would that mean? It wouldn't be a true reflection of your peers and in the end you will have gained nothing but a false ego boost.

I've always strongly believed it's better to lose and learn than to win and learn nothing.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. :beer:

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

You may not want to vote for your own film. As a mod said in a past fest: "it's not classy." And they're right. Besides, even if you won because of padding, what would that mean? It wouldn't be a true reflection of your peers and in the end you will have gained nothing but a false ego boost.

I've always strongly believed it's better to lose and learn than to win and learn nothing.
Depends on how you look at it I guess. :beer:I have usually gone by not rating my films but when I made the finals (i.e. second round of voting) I was told that I then had to rate my film. Up to that point I had not.

So my suggestion would be to wait and see if you make the next round of voting.

:bath:

MAH

[MrFluffy]

I have usually gone by not rating my films but when I made the finals (i.e. second round of voting) I was told that I then had to rate my film. Up to that point I had not.


I just set mine to 5 assuming that it was neither the best or the worse and that an average rating would have no overall effect. The mods have previosuly said that the system is pretty robust and one persons ratings wont have much of an effect.

Maybe they pass a Baysian filter over the results to reject the whacky ratings :bath:

[RodThompson]

So like 2 more hours, yeah?

[Martin Landsburg]

is the first round over already? wow so soon...where can we see the results?

[RodThompson]

It officially ends at 11am PST...not sure how long after till they reveal the results. I'm off to cut the grass in anticipation! :) Lol/