SOLD MY HVX and bought 5D [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

Oynk

03-11-2009, 12:07 AM

These are, indeed, very interesting times...

Agreed. This is what it was like with editing software 10 years ago. (Premiere 5, Final Cut Pro, Avid, Discreet Edit, etc.)

Unless Canon adds manual controls and 24p, my money is not on them. I hope they do it since I have all Canon cameras and glass! Panasonic and Nikon seem to have the most to gain from innovating. Panasonic could become a player in the SLR world and Nikon could essentially build a video division.

It's very exciting to have a front row seat for all of this!

Kegan

03-11-2009, 12:10 AM

Absolutely stunning examples of night-time footage and a car that just beams aggression.

Both really well shot and edited. I too am interested to know what lenses were used.

Keagn

dan

03-11-2009, 01:48 AM

Nice footage, editing, good shooter, nice car but... is it just my computer or this is the way the clip plays back to everyone. Seems kind of choppy at times. I have read a bit about 5D ...but I still don't get it looking at the footage.

Oynk

03-11-2009, 02:25 AM

is it just my computer or this is the way the clip plays back to everyone. Seems kind of choppy at times.

Find a place that is choppy and turn off Vimeo HD. If it is smooth there, then the choppiness is from the Vimeo conversion. Vimeo makes HD 24fps and SD 30fps. (http://www.oynk.com/2009/03/03/vimeo-frame-rate/)

My HD was choppy in places because I uploaded it at 30fps and Vimeo yanked out frames.

I am going to convert to 24fps before I upload next time.

Spartacus

03-11-2009, 03:46 AM

Great images!
Can you tell me about your sound setup for the car-guys interviews?
This (besides form factor) is my main concern with the DSLR workflow.

Also, how do you market the 5DII?
How do people react, when you show up with a DSLR?

liextreme

03-11-2009, 04:38 AM

HVX was ok but the p2 cards drove me crazy, and then I had to set u the brevis, there was no way you could film at night without 500watt lights+ when you shoot throught all that glass in the adapter it deff looses quality. And when i went to the beach just to shoot some test for example, i would have to bring whole bunch of gear case then the breavis set that up heavy duty tripod, now it's my 5 pound photo bag.

5D
Well to start off, the camera a big pain in the butt, no other way to put it, hehehe, however so is film. The lack of manual controls takes more time to set it up, the audio is bad, because of the automatic gain, i connected a regular wireless lav XLR to mini, on the mustang video and it worked fine however when he stopped talking the camera started gaining the audio and then HISSSSSSS ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Well I did not need the silence so I'm ok. lenses 50 1.2 24 1.8 85 1.8

filmmaker's gang

03-11-2009, 05:38 AM

when he stopped talking the camera started gaining the audio and then HISSSSSSS ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Well I did not need the silence so I'm ok.you have a good choice.. put off the audio at post.. seems obvious for dialog serves.. who ever goes beyond that?.. what for?

cinebuddy

03-11-2009, 06:28 AM

Video is hot. Damn I gotta talk my wife into letting me supercharge my stang!

FatDaddy

03-11-2009, 07:03 AM

Well I did not need the silence so I'm ok. lenses 50 1.2 24 1.8 85 1.8

Are these Canon L lenses or Nikon?

booggerg2

03-11-2009, 07:40 AM

What happened to WB in the vegas video? Everything was overly yellow. I know a lot of it was tungsten, but surely WB would have helped?

ESTEBEVERDE

03-11-2009, 12:31 PM

The 5D MK II videos are so much better visually.

They seem to have really allowed you to express yourself orders of magnitude more....

Very Very impressive!

CovenantPictures

03-11-2009, 01:51 PM

Looks good. Shallow DOF, tonal range, ect. But I saw alot of skew.

filmmaker's gang

03-11-2009, 01:57 PM

what's the beef w/ the skew?.. c'mon.. has anybody heard of.. acting? framing? lol

the skew is only the weak link of the chain.. who cares?

liextreme

03-11-2009, 03:54 PM

The Lenses were all canon, and color in thy Nyc video was purposely balanced for that yellow contrast look, that's what the client requested.

ESTEBEVERDE

03-11-2009, 04:18 PM

What's your process?

What do you use for editing and color correction?

ESTEBEVERDE

03-11-2009, 07:29 PM

Hurts to see 5D footage. Congrats.

Kholi... what do you mean?

FatDaddy

03-11-2009, 07:35 PM

I think he likes it :-)

liextreme

03-11-2009, 07:43 PM

Final cut pro, edit in h.264 and export to h.264 web, no color correction at all.

ESTEBEVERDE

03-11-2009, 07:57 PM

WOW!

Great Color!

Kholi

03-11-2009, 08:11 PM

Kholi... what do you mean?

Well, I'm not going to invest in the 5D because it's got too many workarounds at its price point for video. Now, I know it's a still camera with an extra video mode attached, but alright... in that case...

I have a D90 and it's enough for my still work. So why would I spend the extra money to go 5D when it's not 24P, lacking manual controls, etc.

I certainly won't sell my full blown production quality P2 Camera for it. Not when it's pretty much returned its investment and still raking in money with or without me.

And then I see 5D footage like what Elton posts and others are putting up... it's sad how much it waxes the floor with my HPX170.

Still, it's not an investment I can justify unless it's returning money. That's why the GH-1 is appealing because I can totally trade-in my D90 for it if the video rocks out.

That's why it hurts to see such awesome footage from a tiny package.

infurno

03-11-2009, 08:42 PM

There are many rumors and reports of conversations overheard at rental shops where the 5D Mark II video is claimed to be used on some serious projects.

ESTEBEVERDE

03-11-2009, 09:14 PM

Well, I'm not going to invest in the 5D because it's got too many workarounds at its price point for video. Now, I know it's a still camera with an extra video mode attached, but alright... in that case...

I have a D90 and it's enough for my still work. So why would I spend the extra money to go 5D when it's not 24P, lacking manual controls, etc.

I certainly won't sell my full blown production quality P2 Camera for it. Not when it's pretty much returned its investment and still raking in money with or without me.

And then I see 5D footage like what Elton posts and others are putting up... it's sad how much it waxes the floor with my HPX170.

Still, it's not an investment I can justify unless it's returning money. That's why the GH-1 is appealing because I can totally trade-in my D90 for it if the video rocks out.

That's why it hurts to see such awesome footage from a tiny package.

Fair enough.... but what if you didn't have your HVX170?

Even better.... what if I let you use my 5D MII anytime you wanted?

Would you ever use it?

When? Where? How often?

Kholi

03-11-2009, 10:01 PM

Fair enough.... but what if you didn't have your HVX170?

Even better.... what if I let you use my 5D MII anytime you wanted?

Would you ever use it?

When? Where? How often?

If I weren't so accustomed to what owning P2 Does for someone in my position (I'm not rich, this is all I do for a living so even rentals matter)... I would probably not own any camera. LoL

Just use when I needed it. The 5D MKII would be on my top list for ownership sub RED ONE, though. That's for sure.

Unless the GH-1 (Panasonic) comes out and rocks the house, then two of those bad boys. Who really wants 30P footage, anyway? Hehehehe.

I'd use the MKII quite often, for everything. It's an awesome image, no doubt about it.

cinebuddy

03-11-2009, 10:08 PM

Kholi my man! Long time! @liextreme What ISO were you at for the New York footy? I'm interested to know how far you can push before noise becomes an issue.

ESTEBEVERDE

03-11-2009, 10:21 PM

If I weren't so accustomed to what owning P2 Does for someone in my position (I'm not rich, this is all I do for a living so even rentals matter)... I would probably not own any camera. LoL

Just use when I needed it. The 5D MKII would be on my top list for ownership sub RED ONE, though. That's for sure.

Unless the GH-1 (Panasonic) comes out and rocks the house, then two of those bad boys. Who really wants 30P footage, anyway? Hehehehe.

I'd use the MKII quite often, for everything. It's an awesome image, no doubt about it.

Cool!

Much Love! :grin:

Here is hoping Scarlet is a game changer! :beer:

liextreme

03-12-2009, 04:08 AM

1600 no noise, and also i can make my 30p to 24p anytime , easy fix

FatDaddy

03-12-2009, 07:45 AM

So you went with Canon lenses and let the camera control aperture and ISO? Just wondering because I am thinking about selling my Canon Xh-A1, Brevis and Canon 5D and throw it all into a Mark II package. I have a couple of Nikon lenses from the Brevis I could use with Nikon adapter for the Canon and have some control, or sell it all and invest in some Canon glass and wait for a firmware fix for manual control.

Any thoughts?

alpi69

03-12-2009, 08:16 AM

Unless Canon adds manual controls and 24p, my money is not on them. I hope they do it since I have all Canon cameras and glass! Panasonic and Nikon seem to have the most to gain from innovating. Panasonic could become a player in the SLR world and Nikon could essentially build a video division.

I agree, 30p is the dealbreaker. AND don´t forget SONY. I expect them to bring a video-DSLR soon. It might hurt their market, but they can´t compete in the DSLR market without.

liextreme

03-12-2009, 09:02 AM

Yeah keep waiting, they deff will come out with something new sooner or later, I was waiting for scarlet and epic and decided to get something now and film instaed of waiting:Drogar-Evil(DBG):. Yes I let the camera roll on it's own however i used the lock down feature etc.

Andrew McMillan

03-12-2009, 09:03 AM

pleaze don't even think about sony's dslr theere is no way they are going to make it a serious video camera, I mean you think the 5d is crippled just wait until sony comes out with one. There is no way sony is going to let their own little dslr compete with cinealta F35.

liextreme

03-12-2009, 05:00 PM

I love my 5d

liextreme

03-15-2009, 08:01 AM

I was wondering, how would my 5d footage mix with- hmc150+ Brevis?

reem12

03-15-2009, 09:51 PM

If canon ever puts the 24p on this cam to go with with the low light capability, the high resolution, and that super sick image, the red company as well as a lot of these 24p cam makers will suffer greatly. The footage coming off the slr camera looks better than the hvx and the sony ex1s. Companies half to be excited canon is skimping. cause when they wake up and throw some manual controls and the 24p on this thing. Game over!

Otis Grapsas

03-16-2009, 11:29 AM

And professional audio support, and global shutter, and a better form factor, and an I-frame format which the HVX includes. Also, you get less that 1/50 the light gathering when you do need some DOF to get the shot and you put the DII next to the HVX200 which leads to high ISO settings with a grainy footprint. There is always a tradeoff.

Kholi

03-16-2009, 11:43 AM

Wouldn't you just do what's been done for ages: use a wide lens...

mule ferguson

03-16-2009, 12:26 PM

I love my D5 Mkll. But I love my HVX200 and HPX2000 Better.
:Drogar-Love(DBG):
Mule

Otis Grapsas

03-16-2009, 01:10 PM

Reducing the focal length does not increase the DOF, just the way out of focus material looks (due to its magnification).

According to http://www.dofmaster.com/dofjs.html (which is accurate btw)

200mm f5.6 from 10ft
100mm f5.6 from 5ft
50mm f5.6 from 2.5ft
25mm f5.6 from 1.25ft
12.5mm f5.6 from 0.625ft

all have 0.24ft DOF while imaging the same subject at the same distance (same magnification/framing at the focus distance), but a world of difference in the background look. It's an aesthetic change, but you will not get your actors to both be in focus. The change in perspective would be a compromise anyway.

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/depth-of-field.htm

You can make the actors appear sharper with a real DOF change, by shooting your actors from the same distance using a wider lens, but this also doesn't help much because you have changed the framing and the type of the shot and your actors are now lost in the surrounding instead of being in a close shot.

RE1000

03-21-2009, 08:21 AM

There are many rumors and reports of conversations overheard at rental shops where the 5D Mark II video is claimed to be used on some serious projects.

Kanye's new upcoming video, "See You In My Nightmares"

reem12

03-21-2009, 08:46 AM

btownproductions

03-21-2009, 10:21 AM

Looks good :thumbup: Good ol' VCP Pro Scores

liextreme

03-28-2009, 08:56 PM

I know how u feel

Kholi

03-28-2009, 09:27 PM

Just got my canon mark II in and all I can say is, I'm overly amazed at the quality of the image and its low light capability. Image wise, it most definietly outshines my hvx200a. now i'm just waiting on my nikon to canon adapter to use my manual nikon lenses. I took this cam past a friends who owns the hpx, and their now debating about even using the hpx on their next film.

Soon their will be no more need for cumbersome adapters with all of its light loss. I for one like using available light to get the same quality of shot it would take me to get if I were using a light kit.

As long as standard formats exist, so will 35mm Adapters. Until those Standard Formats see acquisition hardware (cameras) that have 35mm Sized sensors and inerchangageable mounts.

If someone produced a camera with a 35mm Sized sensor and a Fixed Electronic Zoom lens, shoots to P2 (AVC-Intra to take advantage of the sensor) then you can sort of get to that statement.

We "DOF" people are a small niche within a niche that lies within another niche and we often think we're really the important ones. We aren't.

Broadcast is where the money is at and may be the only place to find it in the future if things keep going the way they are. Dunno about any of you, but I'm down with my day rate being 750+. Hopefully that'll never go away for some people.

reem12

03-29-2009, 09:34 AM

well said koli.

i it is easy to think the world of technology revolves around us who deem 35mm depth of feild as the holy grail, being we are in a forum that constantly talk about it. but nevertheless. what canon has packed into the little slr camera far outweighs the workarounds.

morgan_moore

03-29-2009, 09:52 AM

well said koli.

i it is easy to think the world of technology revolves around us who deem 35mm depth of feild as the holy grail,.

I dont think it us just 'geeks' who deem the 35 mm look as good - I have done some 'partner testing' (she is not a camera geek at all) - who voted 5d2 every time in a 'blind' pepsi challenge test

Of course misfocus etc are not seen as arty - in a test of this nature just wrong

A large chip/shallowDOF simply focuses the viewers attention on the subject and makes the footage more understandable by the brain who has to do less 'processing' to zone in on the important bit of the image

Hollywood use big chips (film) when they are going for a non art audience dont they ?

There are other techniques for making footage understandable of course - like a clean background or solid lighting

fine if you have control over your environment

S

Kholi

03-29-2009, 10:35 AM

I dont think it us just 'geeks' who deem the 35 mm look as good - I have done some 'partner testing' (she is not a camera geek at all) - who voted 5d2 every time in a 'blind' pepsi challenge test

Of course misfocus etc are not seen as arty - in a test of this nature just wrong

A large chip/shallowDOF simply focuses the viewers attention on the subject and makes the footage more understandable by the brain who has to do less 'processing' to zone in on the important bit of the image

Hollywood use big chips (film) when they are going for a non art audience dont they ?

There are other techniques for making footage understandable of course - like a clean background or solid lighting

fine if you have control over your environment

S

It's still a niche request. Feature Films or even narrative productions are NOT the only type of media available, or in production. You don't need 35mm FOV for broadcast, generally may not even want it for television shows etc so-on-and-so-forth.

We are a very tiny crowd and most of us have NO money. That's the primary reason why these VDSLRS are gaining so much traction.

morgan_moore

03-29-2009, 11:03 AM

It's still a niche request.

But how many clients know 'what to request' and before red/dslr could even actually think about such a request on costs grounds

My stills clients have not got a clue about why my pictures look nice and I have learnt not to bore them with chat about sensor size or whatever - Ive been on the bigger stills sensors since the ancient and underrated SLRn camera and then took to wilder extremes with my 'blad whose sensor is nearly 645 size !

And of course the other recording devices do have other benefits like the lack of focus problems and also (and I have been watching my local news crews operate) those guys are not dumb - they use technique to create a half decent look - like interviews with lavs shot from far away

Im not arguing with anyone BTW just chipping in some thoughts..

S

Noel Evans

03-31-2009, 05:20 PM

Broadcast is where the money is at and may be the only place to find it in the future if things keep going the way they are. Dunno about any of you, but I'm down with my day rate being 750+. Hopefully that'll never go away for some people.

I hear that. Still I am very curious about Gh1 - for side projects its looking like it could be a good way to go, waiting to hear from users. Personally though without solid audio its something that doesnt enter the equation for me as far as day to day working. The amount of stuffing around to sync doesnt interest me. PRE - PRODUCTION - POST, has to be efficient as possible.

TO TP, some nice images and color. Some focus issues going on there. But quality images for sure.