dvxuser leader

[KTOOFRESH]

can someone tell me how to download the leader .
please help

[Rodney V. Smith]

the new one has not been uploaded yet. you'll have to wait until it's up and announced on the board. should be any day soon.

[KTOOFRESH]

thank you... this is my first time entering a fest, and i'm guessing its the same for uploading more than 10 mb for the movie?

[IMNUMBERZERO]

why yes i do believe soo

[IMNUMBERZERO]

by the way im looking forward too seeing your film buddy

[KTOOFRESH]

me..... too...

[Zim]

Well it is only eight days to start the uploading. It would be nice to have the leader.

[KTOOFRESH]

I here you.... Give me the leader!!!!

[Zim]

I wonder if it is ok to use the old one?

[ZazaCast]

Any news on the new leader yet....??????

[Zim]

The leader is all I'm waiting on to finish.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

The leader is the same from last fest. So yes you can use it.

There's some kind of server issue going in which is why it hasn't been posted, as in the server where it was is no longer around. I have some copies somewhere but my hard drives are not all unpacked yet.

If anyone has the old one and can host it for download for those that don't have it, we could do that for now.

[Jason Ramsey]

Here are a couple that you guys can use... (feel free to add dvxfest participant or whatever)

....

Later,
Jason

EDITED BY JACK:
links moved to central location here:
DVXUser Leader and Rule Clarification / Update (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=163532)

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

sound is optional too, btw

[tedynecula]

have a problem. I downloaded from both links but I hear just sound. I have klite codec pack. What to do?

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

try these
(right click / save as please)

links moved to central location here:
DVXUser Leader and Rule Clarification / Update (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=163532)

[Will Clegg]

sound is optional too, btw

Does this mean that my score could begin while the leader is on screen?

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Exactly. You can have music, ambient noise, or silence. Dialogue would be cheating given the time limit but you can establish mood under the leader the same way they do with studio leaders in major features.

[preston]

dialog (in the leader) would only be cheating if the film is already at the 6min limit... right? i was thinking of doing this, just for fun. ...don't think mine will be a full 6:00, so it should be ok.

opinions...?

[armisiano]

dialog (in the leader) would only be cheating if the film is already at the 6min limit... right? i was thinking of doing this, just for fun. ...don't think mine will be a full 6:00, so it should be ok.

opinions...?
I seriously don't think anyone will be that big of a stickler about it. If you want to have audio of any kind over the leader as part of your film's beginning, I'd say go ahead. But I'm not a moderator of course so don't quote me.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

dialog (in the leader) would only be cheating if the film is already at the 6min limit... right? i was thinking of doing this, just for fun. ...don't think mine will be a full 6:00, so it should be ok.

opinions...?

If your film AND the leader come in under 6 minutes then you can put dialogue under it. If your film and the leader come in at 6:01 with dialogue under it - DQ.


I seriously don't think anyone will be that big of a stickler about it. If you want to have audio of any kind over the leader as part of your film's beginning, I'd say go ahead. But I'm not a moderator of course so don't quote me.
You can bet people are that big of sticklers about it. If a film has no shot of winning, yes no one will care if the film is over by a couple of seconds or did something creative like putting the dialogue under the leader to get in on time.

But if a film is bucking to place we get PM's from people saying "no fair" "I could have used those 7 seconds for story tellling too" etc. Happens without fail every time. We couldn't let it slide if we wanted to because a vocal handful of members will definitely make a stink.

Remember thousands of dollars of prizes get awarded here and some folks get quite competitive / invested.

[armisiano]

we get PM's from people saying "no fair" "I could have used those 7 seconds for story tellling too" etc. Happens without fail every time... a vocal handful of members will definitely make a stink.

Ya see, that's why you're here. :) I never would've even thought about that. I take it all back. On a personal note, I wouldn't give a crap if a film that beat mine had dialogue over the leader, in fact I think I'd say, "wow, that was clever, good job". And I'm competitive.

Eh, ah well.

Happy fest to all.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

No worries. We've erred on the side of thinking people don't care that much and it doesn't always turn out well. So we advise people to be as strict with themselves as possible, because someone will complain about it whatever the small infraction is if the film's in contention to win.

[KickTheMoon626]

what are the prizes? have those been announced?

[Jason Ramsey]

nope. not yet... there is always the disclaimer "prizes IF ANY.."

I'm still working on trying to round some stuff up... I'll probably announce around the time the films go live. Economy sucking and all, don't expect much, but our sponsors usually don't disappoint...

Later,
Jason

[KickTheMoon626]

ah yes. cool beans. Well, if anything, we get "bragging" rights before submission to the next film fest.

[TheMacB]

none of those leaders are working for me. the ones that Jack put up download as 1kb files and the ones that Jason put up both have audio only. What am I doing wrong?

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Try the ones in my post now, the links didn't cut and paste right. Fixed now I think.

[TheMacB]

that did it. thanks!

[Richard J. Johnson]

Is there a rule posted somwhere that states you can't have dialog over the leader? My film is 6:10 exactly. And I have very important dialog in the leader. Or is this a rule that was made up on the fly because of whiners?

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

if you have dialogue in your first 10 seconds that's very important, i.e. part of your story ... is your film six minutes long? or is your film 6 minutes and ten seconds long? i.e, wouldn't make sense without the additional 10 seconds of dialogue.

It's not a rule that was ever made up. Just seems like common sense doesn't it? If your film won't make sense without those 10 seconds, then your film is 6 and 10 seconds long, no? So you've effectively snuck in 10 seconds of story - right?

Let me know if you disagree but I would never have assumed that I could put a scene under the leader. And that's the big difference. Your putting a actual scene under the leader, not just keeping the exploding sounds that go with the leader from messing up the mood of your film etc., if it starts as a quiet drama for example. This would be like the same as having 10 seconds of black with dialogue under it when we had no leader, IMHO and that would obviously be 10 seconds over.

[Richard J. Johnson]

"Films may not exceed six minutes and ten seconds (6:10) total. This includes the DVXuser Leader (approx. 10 seconds), the film and any credits."

I understand where you're coming from. I never thought of it in that way. But when the rules say films can be 6:10 including leader and my film is 6:10 including leader , I didn't think I was doing anything wrong let alone trying to sneak anything in or bend the rules.

No big deal either way. But Some of us could have done that not knowing we would have been DQ'd for an unwritten rule.

[Jason Ramsey]

I guess if you are looking for technicalities, the rules could be more clearly stated...

But, it also says:

DVXuser leader -- this must be at the beginning of your film--no exceptions! (the runtime of the leader does not count against your six minutes).

Later,
Jason

[Jason Ramsey]

I'm willing to accept further feedback on this... If you guys think it's not clear enough, then we can discuss it.

Later,
Jason

[Richard J. Johnson]

I'm not looking for a Technicality to sneak in more time. Please be clear. that is not my style. I will follow any rule that is put in place.

[Richard J. Johnson]

I may be the only one that has done this, I don't really care either way. I'm just trying make a point that the rules on it may be clear to some and not to others. I have already taken the dialog out the leader of my film to conform this. no biggie:beer:

[Jason Ramsey]

sure it's a biggie... no worries.

If there is a consensus that something is not clear enough, and I certainly acknowledge that this may be the case, then we can certainly amend things.

We're not in the business of trying to dq people, but at the same time we don't want to make exceptions for just any ole thing.

So, if there is consensus on this that the wording in its current form is not clear enough on this point, I'm more than willing to make the exception.

Late,r
Jason

[Richard J. Johnson]

thanks Jason, I do not want to be "That Guy". I really didn't see it as cheating. I want no parts of that. Thanks again.

[Jason Ramsey]

no worries. my earlier post probably came across with a tone I did not intend it to.

Later,
Jason

[Zim]

As long as I can use the leader from last year Jason we are cool.
By the way still no book from the last fest.

[Zim]

That is really weird Jason. The book just came in the mail!!

Thanks

[Jason Ramsey]

Jack has posted an update here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=163532

[Mark Harris]

Er, the 1080 is a little small to work with. You have anything in 4K? It's so hard to work with something that tiny...

[Jason Ramsey]

Just for you, Mark....

www.ramjetfilms.com/dvxleader4k.zip

Later,
Jason

[Mark Harris]

Just for you, Mark....

www.ramjetfilms.com/dvxleader4k.zip

Later,
Jason


What's so great is it exactly matches the quality of my film! Thanks Jason! :beer:

[Jason Ramsey]

Doubtful that your film could live up to the sweat and tears put in to that 4k leader for you :) ....

Later,
Jason

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Jack has posted an update here:

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=163532

Yep. Here's our thinking

There is some ground for interpretation / lack of clarity in the rules. Mostly in that it doesn't explicitly forbid using dialogue under the leader. A non issue if your film is 5:50 without the leader, but perhaps a creative interpretation of the rules if your film is already 6:00 without the leader.

Jason and I were coming from a place of context - DVXfest films are 6 minutes long. Have been for all fests except for two 5 minute fests. People stay up for days without sleep trying to get their films under that 6 minute mark. So that's the communal assumption. The 10 seconds grace for the leader was never intended to be used to get more story in.

BUT - since the rules don't say you can't use it as such, allowing dialogue under it won't lengthen viewing time or take up more bandwidth, and there are still ten days to final upload (3/9) so that others can make use of this technique if they need it .... we are going to go ahead and officially allow it.

AS Jason mentioned the clarification sticky is up with links to all leaders placed there.
DVXUser Leader and Rule Clarification / Update (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=163532)
That way anyone who comes looking for the leader will see the new clarification.

To streamline information flow, locking this thread since it just discussed the leader, where is it / how to use it, and all of that will be covered in the sticky. Will delete the thread at the end of the day or so to further streamline information flow, i.e., have it in one place.

Thanks,

The MGMT
:beer:

[Jason Ramsey]

and, just want to add to filthrich... don't feel bad or like "that guy" or whatever for bringing it up... apologize if our initial responses seemed like we were slamming you down, and we definitely don't want to discourage folks from bringing potential concerns out into the open... But, from our side, we get a lot of "can I do this" or "can I do that?" requests, and often times they come from a place of not reading the parts of the rules that actually are clear :)

So, sorry, if our initial response sometimes may come across as a bit snippy. We are constantly trying to fine tune and evolve things to make the fests as best as we can, and the rules as clear and fair as possible. But, we are also a full on volunteer force, so our customer service rating may not be 100% :)

Anyways... thanks.

later,
Jason

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Yep. My main concern is insulating people from whiners which can diminish everyone's fest experience. And one way to do that is to encourage filmmakers to take the most conservative interpretation of the rules possible, i.e. don't put a target on yourself. Never meant to imply someone was being intentionally sneaky. Only heading off backlash. And again locking the thread is only to move the discussion to a new better organized place. No one is in trouble here. Except maybe Harris. Just haven't figured out for what yet. But it will come to me.