Lost at Sea

[TheMacB]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/4396/1235077966.jpg

Our old crew outgrew New England and moved to L.A. a couple of years ago. We're out here visiting them right now and we brought a DVX with us. This is the first time we've all made something together since A Brief Case way back in the day for Sci-Fest. We shot last night and had a blast. Now we can't wait to put this thing together!

[stinkpot]

Cool... A Brief Case was a great flick! I can't wait to see what you come up with for this fest. Keep us posted.

:beer:

[Tim Joy]

Welcome back fellow Vermonters! Lost at sea on lake Champlain?

[Mark Harris]

Nice, welcome!

[TheMacB]

just uploaded the poster. the edit is coming along nicely. can't wait to watch some loss movies!

[preston]

great-looking poster!
i too am looking forward to all these loss movies.

[Richard J. Johnson]

The poster is interesting. I see two guys holding hands.:huh: Welcome back.:beer:

[jasonthewho]

Love the poster. Looks like this films going to have a killer setting.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

Nice poster! I agree with Jason. The setting looks pretty great from what the poster shows.

[TheMacB]

The poster is interesting. I see two guys holding hands.

yeah i think we might be getting into some controversial territory with this one... a bunch of straight guys making a gay movie.

[Tim Joy]

Good to see you got it in... I mean... I cant wait to see what you've come up with.. NO... err...
Nice A$$.

I will still watch it eventhough it's a gay movie, as long as it doesn't suck. :)

[hawaiiirish]

Hey guys, great use of the short format. Really good.

[Postmaster]

LMAO! Verry good.

Frank

[abraham]

thanks guys!
it was great to make something without spending any money or lugging around any equipment.
Just the ol' DVX and a skateboard.

[Brandon Rice]

ok, this was hilarious! Funny funny stuff!!

[wesley]

haha this was pretty funny, i especially liked the flashlights in the final scene.

[vnguyen972]

Super funny... this is on the 3rd zip file and it was the first comedy that I laughed real hard... you got some real funny stuff there!!! great job! I lost it at the line .."wh... where's the couch?.." LOL

[abraham]

Glad some folks are gettin' a chance to see this.
There are whole goddamn lot of movies in this lossfest guy.
Here's a still of our whole setup:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/11243/1236717188.jpg

the only money spent, i believe, was on a sailor suit and a turtleneck.

[Blaine]

Okay, this is the best thing I've seen from you guys since "A Brief Case." I thought that one was the best of SciFest. This one is very funny. You do comedy well.

I'm going to be watching this one again.

Comedy should make me laugh...this one did.:thumbup::thumbup:

[AJ Brooks]

Take 22 was it. Print!

[vnguyen972]

I think they finally gave up on take 29... where the ran out of the tape (or space)... and still not done... LOL

[ramsaur]

That was awesome! Hilarious! Out of all the films I've seen so far I've laughed at this one the most and hardest! Awesome job guys, the acting was great too!

[pia12254]

Great job guys! I was getting uncomfortable when he put his hand on the guys knee and then the first "Cut!" It got progressively funny until I was quaking by the end of it! Great job...

[MattinSTL]

No bullsh*t.

Best so far, and I've watched what people are probably assuming are the best.

I suspect we could have another winter lilacs here (or whatever that shoulda' won something flick was called)...

SPOILERS!



I noticed the bumps on the dolly in and thought "f*ckin' amateurs" (think Labowski)... then when it looked like a gay thing I thought "f*ckin' hollywood agenda BS"... then when I heard the first "CUT!" and watched the story of ALL OUR VIDEO MAKING LIVES unfold... I thought "f*ckin' BRILLIANT!"

So far this is the only flick that I can't wait to show to all my friends... CONTENT IS KING!

Great idea... rooted in so much truth... well executed.

Freakin' 291 views... possibly the most entertaining flick in the bunch and freakin' 291 views... don't miss it folks... try to drink anything while you watch this but put anything you don't want sprayed with beverage... in a bag... it's spit-take funny.

My favorite part is the cheesy mustache and the reaction of the guy after being pressured into shaving it... so many layers... it's like "who cares at that point?" and yet, the actor cares, and the grip/slate guy cares... LOL! Seriously.

[Marlon Ladd]

Genius. Pure genius! This film had me literally laughing out loud. All of us as filmmakers can relate to this. "Where's the couch?!" "F*&k it!" Oh man, some actors are really like that and this piece was clever all the way to the end. Congrats. You guys mad a very memorable film.

[Michael Anthony Horrigan]

I really started laughing my ass off towards the end and then tried to fight it but to no avail. My family is asleep. :)

Hands down the funniest entry I've seen yet. Really great work, guys.

MAH

[Blaine]

I've watched about a third of the films. I would have seen a few more but I keep going back to this one. I hope people realize how well written and performed this is. Comedy is often thought of as lightweight but this seems to get better with each viewing. This is every bit as good as "A Brief Case" in its own right. :thumbup::thumbup:

[Mark Harris]

Fantastic work guys. I don't really have anything to critique. Execution was wonderful, nice escalation. Good stuff.

[MattinSTL]

I'm up to about 10 films now and the more I watch, the better this one gets. It makes me laugh out loud just thinking about it.

Writing is writing. Don't kid yourself into thinking comedy is easy. This little flick shows some serious skill from everybody involved. I think the incredible film tools (cameras) available to people is slowing down the overall pace of many films. The imagery is so good that people are creating moving pictures, rather then telling tight stories... I'm seeing a lot of entries that make me think "that is so beautiful" but then after a minute or so I'm thinking... yeah, so beautiful... and... um... uh...

[Ki-Ki]

Good film. Chuckled quite a few time's toward's the end. Loved the V.O's of the Director guy. When it started I was thinking.. uh oh. But it really got better and more entertaining as it went on. Well done. =)

[singleframe]

haha...funny stuff gents. the "audio" line cut off at end is great.
good use of loooooooowww budget! skateboard dolly was smoooth.

oh, and your poster is awesome.

[abraham]

haha...funny stuff gents. the "audio" line cut off at end is great.
good use of loooooooowww budget! skateboard dolly was smoooth.

oh, and your poster is awesome.

thanks so much for the comments guys! here's one more still of the skateboard dolly.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/11243/1236774124.jpg

as you can see: these prizes would be great for us.
keep talkin us up.
Can't wait to get to the other films this weekend.
We've got a BUSY week at work.

[warau]

Really funny! I just didn't know where this one was gonna go, great film.

[TheMacB]

thanks everybody! i'm so glad people are digging this.

I probably won't have time to start watching and commenting until sunday or monday but I can't wait to get lost!

[Lawsuit_Boy]

This really is a terrifically executed piece. The comedic timing of the actors, director, and crew members were spot on, and I really enjoyed the repetition of the film, expressing the monotony of filmmaking itself, especially with those that just won't cooperate. When they try to do the scene without the "Cal" character is just fantastic. I love that the AC plops down next to the actor like a stand-in. His reaction to the "ok, lose the moustache" was terrific, followed by a well-timed cut.

Generally, this work really stands out! Every little thing had me rolling. Other than the film being highly compressed, I really have nothing terribly important to nit-pick. Or nothing that would be of any use, anyway.

Loved it! :beer:

[ZazaCast]

LMFAO!! I'm still laughing as I type this...really great job in every aspect. I think this one will hit home with any filmmaker, cause we've all been there!

Thanks for good laugh, I needed that!

[MattinSTL]

Since the spoilers are already out... I like how the AC is trying to hide the fact that he's homophobic and uncomfortable with the prospect of a kiss (the way he leans his head away all the way to the couch arm)... and then later as the whole shoot is going to hell... he looks down in personal resignation to just get the damn thing done before turning toward the sailor, mentally preparing for the horror of the kiss... but as the outside lighting reveals, everybody just wants to go home... so he's ready to do it... and of course the other guy is ready the whole time, because he's the actor... man... I'm also laughing out loud as I'm typing. :)

[jasonthewho]

First film that made me laugh out loud. Very very funny.

Of course, it's totally ridiculous. But what's wrong with that?

Not much negative to say. Think you totally nail what you're going for.

[abraham]

Haha!
MattinSTL and Lawsuit_Boy:
I love that you guys have given him the title "AC"
I think we all thought of him as the Grip.
Morgan Pritchard is his name, and he's a dream.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Apparently I was the Only one thought this.

[armisiano]

I freakin loved it. This was great. Loss of the couch was a little much for me, but still great. My favorite thing was watching it get progressively darker out, as it goes from a gorgeously lit magic hour shot, to a kinda nice dusk shot, to a mediocre night shot, and finally a crappy night shot. Seriously so funny. Go ComedyFest. Way to use the DVX too by the way.

[Rodney V. Smith]

Frakk! Firefox crashed and there went my review, so you guys are getting a shorter one.

Loved this movie. The rapid de-evolution into absudity was brilliant and for it to get even more and more ridiculous... sheer comedic genius. You guys know how to make a comedy LOOK good and to make it funny. Here's a quoatable from me to you :

This film COMPLETELY brings the funny! Watch it NOW!

[Maximus]

"F*ck it! Action!" Oh, yeah... been there, done that. :evil:

Very funny.

Disclaimer: I'm not normally a fan of comedies, I don't think I've ever rented a comedy... yet, ironically, my two favorite films of Lossfest, of all things, are, surprise, comedies!

Well done!:beer:

[Noel Evans]

I saw your thread before and after watching your short I went back to check the original poster.

What can I say, the whole thing caught me by surprise and I laughed my ass off.

[MattinSTL]

Haha!
MattinSTL and Lawsuit_Boy:
I love that you guys have given him the title "AC"
I think we all thought of him as the Grip.
Morgan Pritchard is his name, and he's a dream.

EDIT: I stand corrected. Apparently I was the Only one thought this.

For the record... read my original post... I called him grip/slate. :beer:

Then a "proper" crew member came along and called him the AC... and I had to start calling him that also so I didn't sound like a yokel.

I did "PA" for Mtv Cribs here in STL and I chose, ran, rigged, and set up all the lights. How is that PA? Um... yeah... whatever. (My cam op told me to just smile and go with it.)

"Don't Ask. Tell."

C'mon... these are dudes I could hang out with... I changed my signature as a tribute to this flick.

[bosindy]

There is an edge to really good sketch comedy and you guys nailed it. Loved it.

[orchidsofwrath]

ok... this was FUNNY. seriously. Impecable job. Great actors and awesome deliveries. Caught me off gaurd as well.

[Geoff_R]

I absolutely love this piece... I'm writing this and I'n only 2 mins in.... I'll finish and continue...

Wow...

I haven't laughed this hard at a short film in a long time... seriously, one of the funniest short films I have ever seen period. I just about died when the power went.. and then I suspected the camera but still it was friggin hilarious... and also funny because crap like this does happen. Maybe not in such a horrific way and not all at once, but they happen!

Concept is brilliant. I'm jealous! Great acting and love how the 2nd AC becomes part of the movie! It's all around just a great film and no joke, one of the funniest shorts I've ever seen. I've now said that twice... I know...

Can't wait to see what you guys cook up next.

Did I tell you I liked your movie??

I wish I could give you an 11...

[Geoff_R]

Seriously, still laughing just thinking about this... and emailing a link for your film to tons of people...

[abraham]

word Geoff! thanks man i enjoyed yours also.
there's so many damn movies in this fest i'm gonna have to stay home all weekend and get it done! seventy-somethin'
:costumed-smiley-047 [<<< Yeah! i thought it was gone!]

MattinSTL: you're right -- for the record. thanks for the praise guys.
can't wait to start really watchin.

[Chris Messineo]

As Geoff said, brilliant concept. I loved the repetition and the way the shoot kept falling further and further into chaos.

This was very funny. Great editing and use of music.

Very well done.

[Spear670]

Fellow Vermonters! Nice to see! Loved the film, very funny stuff. I can imagine it was a blast to make.

[jessicalsin]

So great! All you needed was for the roof to start leaking or something! Completely hilarious.

[abraham]

thanks guys -- we just came home from 9 hrs of driving and about 4 hrs of shooting,:violin: and we were wonderin' what was happenin' on the lossfest tip.
again: can't wait to watch.

[SMarston]

haha so good! amazing job! good luck in the fest

[hioctane]

I randomly picked this movie to watch 1st and a good choice it was. Keep it up

[KTOOFRESH]

although this was a little over exaggerated (in a good funny way) you really captured the film making process. very well done, very funny.. lots of luck in the fest.

[JCVR]

dug it a lot!

I thought your timing was generally spot on. Anytime i'd think...'man, this again'? you'd switch it up and get fresh. Really nice use of a simple set up. Great work!

COMEDY IN LOSS FEST!

[alex whitmer]

Yup, good work here.

Maybe this should also be used in film schools to prepare would-be directors for some reality. Like the old 'stoned' stuff in the the 60s.

Really enjoyed the flick. Good acting. Sure love to see the bloopers on this one. There must have been some 'keep a straight face' challenges here.

Enjoyed it!

aw

[Noel Evans]

Watched it again. Dont know why, but second run was better than first, and I thought the first was damn good. Still laughing. I love how you really took it all the way i.e. couch disappears, pissed myself.

[abraham]

alex: i'll see what i can do in the way of bloopers -- that would be a nice lil' addition to this thread. although i really can't remember too many offhand...
i'll make my big bruvva check.

thanks noel -- i was wondering how the 2nd time through for people would be.

...the weekend is Here. time to download...

[Will Clegg]

Nice job guys. This reminded me of "Living in Oblivion," one of my all time favorite films. It's nice to see what can be done when applying the KISS rule.

[chriscurl]

This was great, my first thought was "not another movie about making a movie!" but you completely sold me, did it differently and well, definitely one of my favorites.

[Ryan Patrick O'Hara]

Not sure how to really vote, so I rated this thread 5-stars (as I am assuming that is how voting is going down....)

By far my favorite!

You have my endorsement, for what it's worth.:thumbup:


:beer::beer::beer:

[Imaginate]

The overall message is universal and compelling: the tragedy of life wasted, denying true love. In this case, it was an impossible situation, -- of ache and longing and regrets -- it's ultimately a story about the relationships that shape us -- for better and for worse.

just kidding... it actually was really funny... i think this has the potential to go viral.

[Sprocketboy]

Very funny. We all seen it before, but you definitely did it better than most. Are you really one of the Zucker brothers?

[TiJo]

Funny stuff. When it first came on, I was thinking, Oh no. But it just kept getting better. Good stuff.

[Shawn Philip Nelson]

well done and funny!

good shooting on that one shot too. love 'love the mustache' bit :-)

[abraham]

again, guys, thank you for the praise! i'm about halfway through the submissions and havin' a ball.

Will Clegg: What is the Kiss rule???

Ryan Patrick O'hara: I can't figure out how to vote either! Rating the thread doesn't cut it.
I was told to PM Larry R which I did...but I'm still waiting to hear back.
You do the same, and give us a Fat 10.

Apparently all the cool people get to see stars next to the movies on the viewing page, and you vote like that. But alas, no stars for me.
Hopefully I'll get them by tomorrow -- as I won't really have time to vote after that.

[fingers crossed]

[Morox]

"Fu** it! Action!"

I re-watched that part about 10 times. Hilarious.

Overall, quite funny. I liked it.

[kyrre]

This was awesome!

I pretty much never laugh out loud when watching stuff by my self, but I actually caught myself doing that on this. :beer:
- "lose the mustache", was my favorite moment as well! Loved his face after the mustache was gone - too funny!

I don't really have anything negative to say, except I really wanna watch this in better quality.

Great stuff!

[The_Happy_Haole]

Your film was great. Very clever & well executed. Definitely one of my favorites so far. Good job.

[Ryanrjack]

I just got around to watching this one, and let me say that it is the funniest movie I've seen in the fest. Every time the shot begins with that dolly in I just start cracking up!

Ryan Jackson

[Norm Sanders]

This was awesome, thanks! GREAT, unexpected humor, which I really enjoy. I was cringing at the beginning, wondering what I was getting into with this, and was pleasantly surprised.

As far as comedies in the fest, this is my favorite so far! Even comedy aside, I've ranked this at the top with just a few others.

Since this was supposed to have errors in all various capacities, it's difficult to pick anything apart with this, because perhaps it was how it was SUPPOSED to be done (very, VERY clever, BTW). :)

Again, great, great job. :thumbsup:

[Blaine]

As far as comedies in the fest, this is my favorite so far! Even comedy aside, I've ranked this at the top with just a few others.I don't understand why comedies get so little respect. (Not a poke at you, Norm, it seems that way with the Oscars, too :) )

[Norm Sanders]

In my experience, the comedies tend to be less well executed, in my opinion, that's primarily it. MacB, however, is the exception to the rule, as his work is usually comedic, AND well executed.

[Rodney V. Smith]

MacB is now the MacDaddy of the fest.

[MrKilloran]

"What... Where's the couch?!"

This was HI-larious. The way things just got more and more absurd as time went on, I loved it!
Performed and executed well, it looks great, certainly puts mine to shame.

Great work. :thumbsup:

[TheMacB]

Man, I feel terrible but I still haven't had time to watch any of the movies. I was away at a film festival for the weekend and now I'm back at work.

My brother Evan (abraham), who plays the director in the movie, has been watching and commenting to hold up our end. Thanks everybody for the comments!

[Rodney V. Smith]

No worries... you could always start with (shameless plug) MINE :grin:

[Richard J. Johnson]

No worries... you could always start with (shameless plug) MINE :grin:

Puck how could you.......................the puppeteer.:Drogar-Dum(DBG):

[MrKilloran]

Puck how could you.......................the puppeteer.:Drogar-Dum(DBG):

Really guys? ... Have some class, you don't see me saying GO WATCH LOSERS IN EXCESS :grin:

[dag.saetran]

Loved this film!
This was really fun to watch, several times. I could relate to the "Murphy's filmlaws", you nailed the running out of light bit and the actor taking off. And the guy playing "Elliot" did a very fine job. Nothing bad to say about the technical bit either.

Last, I can't go without mentioning the mustachebonanza, that rocked my boat.

A fine piece of laidback comedy!

[Brian Parker]

Laughs from beginning to end. Favs were the mustache and the couch. Great script, actors, setting, and most of all, great execution. Nothing at all to nitpick about. Loved it. Thanks guys!

[MattinSTL]

In the very first shot I thought "damn another short with no sense of pace"... but it turns out the pacing throughout is perfect. I haven't seen that in many entries. Pacing is where indi-films always get it wrong... but not here.

It's just long enough to set up the joke, each time.

I love how little the other actor cares about any of it. (that makes me laugh out loud and it's been days since I last watched this)... on the "... sent.. you"... then the "pshhhhh... lost it."

C'mon now... pure buttah.

[Spear670]

As the first round ends I just have to say how proud I am of Vermont's representation in this festival. All different but very solid films. Is that a possible future collaboration I smell? I think it is... I think it is.

[abraham]

word. this is fun.


As the first round ends I just have to say how proud I am of Vermont's representation in this festival. All different but very solid films. Is that a possible future collaboration I smell? I think it is... I think it is.

Yuuup. Agreed: Vermont is in it to win it.
But alas, Spear 670, we're headed to L.A. in June...
we were THIS close.

[Tim Joy]

word. this is fun.

Yuuup. Agreed: Vermont is in it to win it.
But alas, Spear 670, we're headed to L.A. in June...
we were THIS close.

NNNNOOOOOO! :crybaby:

Well. I know you'll be back. It took me 10 years to figure out that it is just like VT, except with every dial turned down to CRAP-SUCK (ok, maybe the filmmaking market is big, but is it really worth it?).

[abraham]

Here's one last still -- from the photo session for the poster:

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/11243/1237309151.jpg

So we had Racki & Will (the two actors) pose for all of these photos at the pier in Santa Monica.
We shoot...oh...20 photos with my old canon AE-1 35mm camera, only to realize: The film wasn't loaded right!
So here's Will in a sailor suit, Racki wearing a turtle neck and some tight-ass slacks, everyone is watching by now, and we need to shoot a whole new roll of film.

Troopers, they are. And good friends.

[Blaine]

Good job, guys. If this hadn't made the finals there would have been an uprising. :beer:

[Rodney V. Smith]

congrats guys :beer:

[Richard J. Johnson]

Congrats!!

[Tim Joy]

OOOOHHHH YEEAAAHHH. Dvx and VT strike again! Good luck guys. Congrats!

[Norm Sanders]

Congratulations & well deserved! Woo-hoo!

[Zak Forsman]

good luck guys. really well deserved!

[pia12254]

In my Top 10 for sure! Comedies should make people laugh...this one definitely did that for me!

Daniel

[kyrre]

Definietly among my personal top 3! Great work, and congrats! :thumbup:

[Brian Parker]

Congrats on placing in the finals! You guys deserve it!

[Norm Sanders]

Had my wife watch this one with me tonight, she LOVED it. More laugh out loud moments than I could count. Thanks again for making this one!

[armisiano]

Great work here, really. I'm glad to see a number of comedies make the top 10, more than that I'm glad to see comedies done well. Rock on guys.

[abraham]

thanks for the congratulatory remarks fellas -- this is FUN.
i'm wishing there was more shit to watch.

Just looking at the forums:
i wonder how many times the word "congrats" was typed today.
Has to be in the hundreds?

Has "congrats" completely replaced "congratulations" in the English language?
The same way that "quotes" has replaced "quotations."
I don't think it's bad or anything -- just interesting.

Lovin' this. So glad this little motion picture is getting some attention.
I can't wait to move out to LA permanently and keep making shorts with these guys.

[MrKilloran]

Very funny and well deserved, congrats :beer:

[John LaBonney]

Very fresh concept and quite funny, thanks very much for putting this together. Nice work making it to the finals!

[DukeONuke]

OMG TFF I practically busted my spleen from laughing so friggin' hard. On the first take...I thought this was a serious movie... and I was going OMG this acting sucks arse.. and the gay thing was about to make me wretch... Not like there's any thing wrong with that or anything <-- Seinfeld Quote 8P..... By the end of it I was damn near falling of my chair.

Thanks For Keeping It UNREAL!!! =8)))))

[aFox]

Haha that was sure fun to watch! :)

[TheMacB]

Woohoo! This is pretty exciting. Thanks everybody.

[Mike Manning]

Congrats on making the finals. I liked your take on the theme... definitely helps to lighten the heavy load. Though I find myself asking, "why?"

Why not aim a little higher? This felt very safe to me and as a filmmaker I think you should strive to be more ambitious. Next time, I suppose... but good job nonetheless. Good luck!

[abraham]

Congrats on making the finals. I liked your take on the theme... definitely helps to lighten the heavy load. Though I find myself asking, "why?"

Why not aim a little higher? This felt very safe to me and as a filmmaker I think you should strive to be more ambitious. Next time, I suppose... but good job nonetheless. Good luck!

Hey thanks for the comments man -- glad you enjoyed it.

I could see how you would think this about "aiming higher"

But the truth is, I don't think we could've been more ambitious -- given the circumstances:

We shot this while on vacation in LA visiting all the friends we made "A Brief Case" with -- a short that was entered in a DVXfest a few years ago.

All we had was a DVX and a skateboard for a dolly.

We knew the best looking shot we could get would have to be with natural light -- and as the light goes down, things would get much, much worse.
And so, out came this short!

Sure, the production value could be better -- but this was a kickass thing to do for us. Especially TheMacB and I, because we're so used to lugging around a ton of equipment, and worrying so much about every little detail.
It was great to get out there and just shoot something with some friends.
:beer:

[triplej96]

Really nice job an fresh idea!

[Methane]

I have seen about half of the films so far, and I organize them in folders of 1 star to 5 stars, and so far this is the only 5 star film.

I wonder how it would do with a non filmmaker audience, but for this competition, its a killer. Congratulations.

[conlanforever]

Congratz on making the finals. Totally deserved. This might be the funniest short I've seen on DVX in any fest.
Loaded with funny moments. Good acting. Good premise. Great job.

[Chad_from_Chad]

Heck yeah, I've been there! The only thing, on an extremely minor level was I would have made the take progression increase more between scenes. Like going from take 6 to take 18, I dunno. Just something I thought about during the flick. Really enjoyed it.

[hioctane]

MOVIEmeter:

Down 14% in popularity this week. See why on IMDbPro. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)


Other than that a very funny movie on the life of a Indie maker. I felt the love lol. Gratz on Top Ten.

[gabrielflorit]

This was great! I was laughing the whole way through. Each new mishap was so funny and I couldn't wait for the next one. Really fun flick! Congratulations.

[Jack Daniel Stanley]

Very fun guys.
Of course a little too familiar at moments :)

[stinkpot]

Wow! You guys really nailed it for your audience. This was well scripted and extremely hilarious.

Great work.

:beer: