Capture 24p footage

[Kugar13]

If I capture 24p (not 24pa) footage in a 24p timeline could that footage be imported to a 30i timeline without additional ill effect, or does it not work that way? I recently discovered 24p footage is best edited on a 30i timeline. I've captured a ton of footage in a 24p project and was wondering if I could import that into a 30i project later.

Thank you!

[Mike Harvey]

What is the source of the 24p footage?

[Kugar13]

The 24p footage is shot on a dvx100a.

Another question... if I have 30i and 24p footage I want to edit on a 24p timeline should I capture the 30i footage from a 30i project, or can it be captured from the 24p timeline?

Thank you very much!

[David Jimerson]

Just capture it. In a 24p timeline, pulldown will be removed and you'll have 24p. On an NTSC/29.97 timeline ("30i" is archaic and technically inaccurate, BTW), pulldown will not be removed and you'll have 29.97 footage.

But if you think you're going to be using the footage in both, don't shoot 24pA. Shoot 24p standard. You'll still be able to remove pulldown in a 24p Sequence, and the pulldown cadence will be correct for an NTSC sequence.

[Kugar13]

So shoot 24p. Capture both the 24p footage and 30i footage on a 24p timeline, right?

(btw the 30i footage will be shot on a panasonic consumer camcorder, not my DVX100a)

When would you ever want to shoot 24pa?

Thanks for the help guys! You're brilliant!

[egproductions]

If you are mixing 24p footage and 60i footage (thats what Mr. Jimerson meant by technically innacurate) then you should shoot 24p normal and capture the footage (it wont matter what timeline you capture in) You should however, be editing in a 60i timeline.

If you just had 24P footage then you should shoot 2PA and edit in a 24p timeline. This will result in true 24FPS and will allow you to make cleaner DVDs and web compressions due to the reduction of frames. I would always shoot 24PA and just add a pulldown if I needed to mix it with 60i footage.

Good Luck.

[Kugar13]

Hey,

All of this is very confusing. Is there a book/online article/etc where I can learn more about this? I've been doing some research on this the last few days and been getting conflicting info. Please, I mean no harm to anyone who has given me advice, but I'm confused.

Some people say edit the 30i & 24p footage on a 24p timeline.
Some people edit 24p and 60i footage on a 60i timeline.
Some people say shoot 24pa and editi....

I know this must be frustrating to someone who is trying to explain this to me. I wish I knew more about all this....

I've been shooting 24PA footage the past 3 years. Some people recently to switch to 24P footage and edit it on a 30i timeline for best results. I don't know what to do anymore.... =(

[David Jimerson]

The general rule:

If you're going to edit your footage on a 24p timeline, shoot 24pA.

If you're going to edit your footage on a 60i timeline, shoot 24p standard.


But you said you might want to do both. If so, shoot 24p standard. Assuming you're using Premiere Pro CS2 or later, you won't have a problem with it on either timeline.

Just for the sake of clarity, I'll word it this way. :) You're using an NLE which does NOT handle 24p stupidly, like Final Cut Pro does. You do not have to agonize over this like the people who use Final Cut Pro do. And almost all of the agonizing and confusion out there comes from people who are confused because Final Cut Pro MAKES it so confusing.

If you want to edit as 24p, yes, it's better to use 24pA. But you are not FORCED to shoot 24pA like you are with Final Cut Pro. Either way you shoot, you'll be able to edit it as 24p on a 24p timeline.

You will be able to edit 24pA on either timeline, too, but 24p standard is better for a 60i timeline, because the motion will be smoother. But on a 24p timeline, either 24pA or 24p is fine. Why? Because Premiere Pro doesn't handle 24p stupidly. :)

There is no such thing as 30i. There is 24p, 30p, and 60i. As I said, "30i" is an archaic and inaccurate term. (Do NOT edit 30p on a 24p timeline.)

[egproductions]

(Do NOT edit 30p on a 24p timeline.)

David this is one of my favorite things to do! but only do it if you want a true (not interpolated) 20% slowdown

[Kugar13]

Thank you for breaking it down for me. Sorry you had to spell it out with crayons for me. LOL

It all makes perfect sense now. I am thankful I'm using PP2.0 CS2!

I assume the wal-mart purchased consumer camera I borrowed is 60i. The next hurdle.... LOL

[David Jimerson]

David this is one of my favorite things to do! but only do it if you want a true (not interpolated) 20% slowdown

That's fine. Just don't edit it at real-time.