Again: 5D firmware rumours

[joe 1008]

New rumors about a firmware upgrade for the 5D on Canonrumors. Probable release date: this january. As usual with spicy 24p speculation.:)

[Lee Wilson]

New rumors about a firmware upgrade for the 5D on Canonrumors. Probable release date: this january. As usual with spicy 24p speculation.:)


Ok . . . . new firmware update is now out (on the Canon website).

No 24p, no 25p for PAL users, no manual controls over aperture, ISO or shutter speed, no changes to the video side at all.

[danap]

This was a real sad "update".... Canon customers were expecting substantially more from Canon. The infatuation in the 5DMkII might soon turn into a more critical appraisal of the kind of stuff Canon has pushed on us. Eventually, the lack of REAL upgrades and of adequate response to MASSIVE 5DMkII customer expectations, may offer opportunities for competitors. So again: CANON, would you please wake up from nirvana? Otherwise, your customers may end believing you've framed them (30p only in PAL areas ... shame on you ! Moiré and aliasing .... on every shot with roof, knitwear and cobblestoned roads, mad automatism... horrible pickup of the IS motor sound by the internal mic etc. etc.).

[bimdas]

on the other hand it takes great photos.
i think people are expecting way too much from a digital slr that has video as an extra feature. Especially when its the first of its kind from Canon.

[FatDaddy]

yes, you don't hear many still photographers complaining about the picture side of things...

[princigalli]

Of course you do. Canon = Chromatic Aberration. To record levels. Why is it that anytime you use other lens those CA problems go away? Canon says it's a problem with increased resolution of digital sensors, but the truth is that Canon always had those problems. since I way younger I used to associate images and video from Canon with Chromatic Aberration. Back then I used to think it was maybe an artistic choice.

[FatDaddy]

you talkin' stills or motion? My XH-A1 has an awful lot of CA, but have not noticed it a lot with my 5d and a variety of lenses.

[Retrospective]

Ok firmware has been released and no 24p...

When does Canon usually do press releases for their prosumer cams?

[Lee Wilson]

i think people are expecting way too much from a digital slr that has video as an extra feature.

The thing is . . . features like manual control are already there in the camera, but just - effectively - disabled.

People are only expecting/hoping for what is possible, I don't think that is way too much.


Especially when its the first of its kind from Canon.

I keep seeing this argument brought out as a reason some basic manual functionality and 24/25p could not be implemented in the 5D2.

Do we really think Canon cannot produce a 25p version of the 5D2 for Europe ? Do they lack the expertise ? How many iterations of the camera, how many releases would you expect it to take before they manage to get it to do 25p ?

The truth is they can do it right now, they can make it shoot 25/24p right now, they can make the 5D2's video functionality fully manual right now, the idea that any of these compromises are because Canon lack the experience/expertise ("this is just their first attempt") is entirely without merit.

[egproductions]

Princigalli, how many times are you gonna post the same out of context and general statement about Canon, requiring me to correct each time? I have corrected you politly a few times already, yet you still continue to post the same incorrect claims.

Chromatic abberation has nothing to do with sensors or cameras it only has to do with lenses which isn't what this thread is about.

But even to make a general statement about Canon lenses having chromatic abberation is rediculous. Maybe your issue with chromatic abberation comes from taking too many shots of trees with the sun right behind it..idk.

As said numerous times before. It's true that there is chromatic abberation with a few specialty lenses that canon produces (one of which you own) the 85 1.2 is a SPECIALTY Lens. That doesn't mean its a miracle lens that will give you perfect photos wide open, but it will get you wide open, it will get you to f1.2 at 85mm. I'm not even familiar with any other lenses that do that but you cannot compare a lens like that to a 50 f1.4. At a more normal aperture the 85 @ 1.8 or 2.8 will crush most other 85mm lens on the market.

Zeiss used to make good lenses for still photography but in todays digital still world they have fallen behind the competition (not far but still behind) take a look at ken rockwells 50mm comparison below. He shows that the zeiss lens doesn't even compete with other nikon 50mm lenses (and he even included a zoom lens!) When comparing the chromatic abberation, guess what?....zeiss is dead last with the most chromatic abberation and was definitly not the sharpest lens.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/50-comparison/index.htm

All I'm saying is that if your photos aren't coming out as good as you want you can only blame the operator because you can, and people do take, amazing and technically great photos with Canon products.

[princigalli]

you talkin' stills or motion? My XH-A1 has an awful lot of CA, but have not noticed it a lot with my 5d and a variety of lenses.

I talk about both. Some more than others, but Canon has great issues with CA. I noticed a lot of CA problems with Canon 5D mI and 70-200L2.8, and I was extremely surprised by the great amount of CA found on my 5DmII and Canon 85L1.2

Those are supposed to be great lens, but the CA made the pictures unusable sometimes. Note that I have almost no CA with my Leica price lens on both Canon 5DmI and Canon 5DmII. I also never see CA in Nikon D300 or D700 Jpegs, but this could be due in part to their integrated CA correction software.

Still, Canon seems to ignore the problem completely.

[princigalli]

Chromatic abberation has nothing to do with sensors or cameras it only has to do with lenses which isn't what this thread is about.

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I don't understand the disagreement. I am saying exactly the same thing. That's why I like to use Leica lens on my Canon body.

[egproductions]

Canon says it's a problem with increased resolution of digital sensors, but the truth is that Canon always had those problems.

It has nothing to do with the sensor or previous Canon cameras. If someone at Canon told you this you either misunderstood or they misunderstood.

The reason you don't get chromatic abberation on you lieca lenses is because your aren't shooting at f1.2 at 85mm. I would bet that when used properly and at equivelent Aperture and focal lenghts the 85mm lens rocks your lieca lenses. But if think the quality is infirior to that of your lieca lenses I wouldn't mind buying your 85 off of you for what you think it's worth.

The whole reason why an overwhelming amount of proffesional full frame and cropped sensor photographers buy Canon and Nikon is because they both have the cleanest sensors and they both have the sharpest and largest variety of glass.

[filmmaker's gang]

egg is right.. prince.. you've always posted the same.. i almost quit on my 24-105L purchase.. no more.. after all you are the only one w/ the trauma.. the most funny.. you are talking about as you have all leica focal lengths you miss w/out the canons..

yet.. awhile you whine.. others shoot and post the most beautiful ever seen on a DSLR.. where are yours?.. btw and your different leica focal lengths?.. :D

[Emanuel]

others shoot and post the most beautiful ever seen on a DSLR.. Don't pay attention to the content only to the quality of the glass.*

http://www.vimeo.com/2756021

http://vimeo.com/2748116

http://vimeo.com/2671396

Stare your eyes at the 85mm f1.2L II CA level, on the hers nose level.

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/9481/1231459923.jpg

http://flickr.com/photos/simpson_/3148661467/


* I'm sorry I couldn't resist ! :laugh:

[filmmaker's gang]

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/9481/1231459923.jpg

http://flickr.com/photos/simpson_/3148661467/


* I'm sorry I couldn't resist ! :laugh:
ehehehehe prince gal you're not allowed to download it :)

[princigalli]

egg is right.. prince.. you've always posted the same.. i almost quit on my 24-105L purchase.. no more.. after all you are the only one w/ the trauma.. the most funny.. you are talking about as you have all leica focal lengths you miss w/out the canons..

yet.. awhile you whine.. others shoot and post the most beautiful ever seen on a DSLR.. where are yours?.. btw and your different leica focal lengths?.. :D

I don't whine, and for one last time, I never believed that CA depends on sensor. And contrary to whining, I am only happy about the splendid results I get from my 5D and Leica lens. I am just annoyed by Canon not taking serious steps to resolve CA problems on their lens. They can take their time because there are many fanatic Canon fans that behave and talk like Apple fans (and I work on Mac computers).

One of the lens I use is a Leica 90mm full omen at 2.0. I never had CA problems, even when shooting high contrast subjects with the sky in the background.

As for posting images or films, I only posted my test clips in order to clarify some technical issues, and I did that several times. If you want to see anything else I do, video or photo, just ask and it will be done :-)

[filmmaker's gang]

prince.. take it.. your beloved lens.. ehehehehe

http://vimeo.com/2798793

btw.. i'd just like to see you pointing where you see your infamous CA but only there.. ehehehehe other than there?.. it does not count :D