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Here's something we produced earlier this month, shot entirely using two HMC-152 cameras and edited in Vegas 8 (50P footage transcoded using Edius because Vegas chokes on it).
http://moudanie.com.au/thebuzz/2008/12/congratulations-amelia-peter/
Hidef1080
12-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Very good stuff.:thumbup:
matt s.
12-30-2008, 04:38 PM
nice work!
what are you using for the flying shots?
nice pic with the 152 at the end of that blog :beer:
Stevet
12-30-2008, 05:12 PM
Nice work Evro!
Nice flow, great composition, artistic, fitting background music... what else can someone ask for!
Justyn
12-30-2008, 05:34 PM
Man that's really really good and entertaining. Can't say that about most wedding videos. I can see real art in this and real craftsmanship and your clients are lucky to get this in a package. Not just a wham bam thing. Theres certainly a niche in the high end wedding market and you are delivering..
So like everyone else.. come on, What did you use? What were your settings.. ? This is some awesome awesome stuff. I think their's a new king for longform HD weddings and event stuff. This looks every bit as good as any HVX or EX1 stuff I've seen.. sweet.
BrianMurphy
12-30-2008, 07:09 PM
Excellent work congrats!! Thanks also for sharing your work with us and I m sure the newlyweds are completely blown away with their wonderful wedding story. As we approach the new year I would suggest you be ready to be very busy in '09.
Brian
Wow thanks guys, I'm blown away by all your nice comments.
In terms of camera settings I used the stock F4 pre-set "B-STR" however, there is a quite a bit of colour grading & filtration done in post so the finial images are not what you'd get out of the camera, however, they did provide the base canvass. For flying shots I mostly use a Glidecam Pro2000 because it's nice and light and works beautifully with the HMC :) In this clip there was only one Glidecam shot which was towards the end of the clip where the camera comes into the reception towards the dancers, the rest was all hand held.
At the end of the day wedding video does have a pretty bad reputation for being over the top and cheesy, on the other hand, there is a growing number of us who go to lengths to move as far away as possible from old school wedding videography. We like to call ourselves wedding film-makers/cinematographers and demand the same respect still photographers have enjoyed for so many decades!
Retrospective
12-30-2008, 09:39 PM
Nice!!! Do you have the 720p available for download??? :D
If I had the time I could probably render out a 720P version and upload it but I doubt that would make that much difference as HMC footage is generally a bit softer and comparing it to XH-A1 or EX-1 (as people have been doing here) would only serve to disappoint. I don't care for resolution comparisons any more... for me it's the ergonomics and feel of having a new "DVX" in my hands again that has made me fall in love with this camera ;-)
Justyn
12-31-2008, 10:34 AM
that indeed is the point that I've been saying. THE PROCESS has been greatly improved. Your own physical interaction with the camera is just really well done. So when you shoot a 1000 hours a year that adds up. The HVX added up to causing some sholder and arm problems.. the EX1 would probably be a major commitment with my chiropractor... So the process and the results are both impressive. The cost is the other one. Getting 3 of these is within real reach. Getting 3 EX1s or 170s would require debt and in this economy that's not such a great deal...
I'm just waiting for an inexpensive HD switcher and then I'm SET. Something to do HDMI and Component HD would be ideal. Then adding a 4th cam would be bonkers.. Now sure the EX3 is an optimal studio config.. but I'd be spending 3 times as much and then I'd need CCUs and all that crap that comes with it.. Bring on the next HD switching system or maybe when Blackmagic figure out how to work 3 or 4 intensity cards.. then we'd really have a truck in a box..
...the EX1 would probably be a major commitment with my chiropractor...
Totally!! At our last association meeting some of the guys brought in their cameras and I took an EX1 and held it up above my head (I shoot a large component of dancing at wedding receptions this way) and imagined the pain in my arms at the end of the night. The HMC is definitely a run & gun camera especially suited to event work and because of it's large size/low weight ratio it is great for creative hand-held moving camera work - it was a definite struggle to keep my old JVC HD200 steady while doing this style of shooting.
Stevet
12-31-2008, 06:05 PM
the EX1 would probably be a major commitment with my chiropractor... .
Yes, they are almost impossible to hold...lol
Justyn
01-01-2009, 08:04 AM
Very true. Can't deny the beauty of the EX1 images and I just about crapped my pants when I saw how beautiful the LCD was in comparison to our HVX screens.. and the low-light capability is simply awesome. BUT yeah. I would really be hurting after 10 hours of handheld shooting on a racetrack, or at some live event.. or whatever. There's a lot more to a cam than just what it produces... Same thing as in like a tripod. They mostly do the same thing, but how much does it weigh, how easy is it to setup and take down.. how much abuse will it take. The process of videotaping something in a handheld way is greatly reduced in some of these other cameras.. where as its ideal in the 150.
Even my wife shoots with it and that's unheard of... wouldn't ever pick up the HVX for the weight and fear of dropping it.
Really nice stuff and planned well ahead ..... how many cams you had recording together ? In the church you got very nice angles and lots of variations :)
thx for sharing. your work is very stimulating !
Nick Sammons
01-22-2009, 10:05 PM
Well said Evro. Far difference between wedding videographer and wedding filmmaker/cinematographer.
robfilms
01-23-2009, 09:10 AM
evro-
thank you for sharing your obvious talent and your experience.
i somewhat agree with your point about the ex1 vs the hmc150 not being"just" about image. of course, for most clients all that matters is the images we provide.
my question is: how large a display have you seen this footage on? much of my work ends up on websites and dvds but it often starts out being displayed on a large plasma or lcd.
have you seen the hmc150 footage on a quality 52" display?
if so, what did you think? any blotchy colors? strobing with movements?
any and all thoughts are greatly appreciated.
again, thanks for allowing others to share your insights.
be well
rob
Ed Kishel
01-23-2009, 09:37 AM
evro- can you talk a bit about how you did the timelapse pan of the dinner guests?
Thanks again for your encouragement guys.
Rob, I have played this particular clip on my 32" LCD and the images don't have the sharpness or clarity that I get from my Canon XH-A1. What I do like about it though is the softer more filmic looking image. I don't think clients are as demanding of image in terms of sharpness as we think they are (unless they're tech geeks who'll sit 30cm in front of their screen analysing vertical edge sharpness & looking for banding), my clients tend to place priority on the actual content (especially for weddings.)
Just a side note: I transcoded much of this footage to SD (especially all of the 720 50P to Edius HQ standard def) because Sony Vegas is an unpredictable piece of sh*t when it tries to work with 720 50P footage, as a result the total size of this wedding has blown out to around 180GB - normally a wedding this size would only occupy around 80GB. I fu*king HATE Sony Vegas!
Hey Edweirdo, the pan during the time lapse was done by crop & zoom in post - easy :D
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What's the difference between a Wedding Film-maker & a Wedding Videographer?
A Wedding Film-maker... explores every avenue in terms of capturing images by using DOF adaptors, lenses, stabilisation devices, lot's of angles & motivated camera movement, exploits existing lighting conditions and even uses a video DSLR.
A Videographer on the other hand is a guy that runs around with a big camera & light tethered to a dollied tripod, indiscreetly asking wedding guests to leave a message for the bride & groom and, is a master at zooming in & out of a Dutch angle.
Either way you look at it the Wedding Videographer is a dinosaur whose time on this planet is coming to an end, especially now that our talented brethren (still photographers) are learning how to shoot video on their vDSLRs.