Premiere Pro 1.5 supports 24P!

[Contact_Therapy]

just saw this on another board:

http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/

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Panasonic 24P/24PA support
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As well, looks like they updated all their DV products including Encore 1.5, Audition 1.5 and After Effects 6.5 :D

[HybridTactics]

I can't wait to upgrade my Premiere Pro and the rest of my Adobe Video Collection. The new features sound great, especially the 24PA support and the auto color/levels. Hopefully this section of DVXuser will start picking up, now that Premiere Pro will have DVX100 24PA support. I really like the new Premiere Pro, and now they finally added one of the things that was missing.

[Neil Rowe]

the other feature that is just completely awsome besides the 24p support, is the ability to use AE filters directly in PPro. that is just sweet. talk about streamlining workflow!!! * *i keep saying its just like AE. and now it is more than ever. i never understood how peole could like AE and not ppro. but now it would absolutely astound me .. although, to each there own..it dosent bother me.. just boggles me. :)

also looks like the project trimmer has bee added back, which is now called a project manager. to drop unused footage from storage.. niiiice. ..

the downside of ll this is that dvfilms "dvfilmmaker will be losing business" they are a good company, and it was a good product.. still wroks for deinterlacing, and conversions though.. oh well.. hooray adobe! ppro is steadily climbing the ladder to sit with its esteemed adobe colleages.

[sfogden]

I just went to the Adobe site to order it - said it should ship in late May. ;D

[Isaac_Brody]

ARrrrr! Just upgraded to Premiere Pro. Phark! Should of waited till after NAB...That said, It's about time that Pro had 24PA support. Sweeeeeet. And the improved integration in After Effects is cake.

[sfogden]

Does anyone know if it's best to 'pre-order' the upgrade now or wait until it actually ships? Upgrading the entire collection for $249 seems a decent deal - especially for the better chapter point integration into Encore.

[Monglane]

I started a thread on that earlier in the "DVX News" section. Boy, do I feel glad I didn't learn Vegas ! 8)

[sfogden]

Yeah, I was about to take the Vegas plunge for the 24pa support - if the Premier upgrade wasn't announced at NAB, it was 'Hello Vegas.' ;)

[HybridTactics]

Yeah, I was also considering taking a look at Vegas (not change my NLE or anything). But now I don't have to.

[rbilsbor]

I wonder if the Matrox and Canopus boards will support the framerate?

[Neil Rowe]

..ive spoken with matrox a few times informing them of how silly it is that their boards can only do one frame rate. matbe they will see the light soon enough

[daveagain]

I am not sure about the framerate issue but Matrox is coming out with supportive software for the new Adobe PPRO at about the same time for the extreme which will eliminate the X before rendering and improve several other areas. It's free if you are registered.

[Neil Rowe]

i suppose it is very possible that the matrox card will work with the ppro 24pa becuase all its really doing is skipping frames and reorganizing the remaining ones from the dv stream into 24fps. *so even if the matrox card is processing all 30 fps, the software could just drop the judder frames in the stream still , and display the remaining frames at 24fps *pretty much the same as it would normally *just reading the file dv stream. .. so it is very, very possible that it will work with it, and if it does i am going to be pretty happy for that new ability as well. i guess well have to wait and see... maybe theyll just make the rtx cards 24p (and other frame rate)compatible with the new drivers. we can only hope..

[speedbump]

I've been twitterpated all day at the news that PP 1.5 will support 24P, and so I went over to the Matrox site, and they are getting ready to roll out a new version of their drivers which will 'support' PP 1.5. What is suspiciously missing is specific mention of realtime 24P framerate... if I were Matrox, I'd be painting the sky with announcements about that kind of capability.

This might be the same thing they did with the first version of PP; unsupported realtime features simply got passed through the RTX100/10 as is the card wasn't there.

Even so, the other realtime plugins Matrox is adding will be very useful, and working on the NLE I'm the most comfortable with makes it all worthwhile.

[kman90]

Just got back from NAB...spent all day Monday on the conv floor (actually 3 of the halls)...the Adobe Master classes were awesome...and yes PremPro1.5 is awesome...

[Monglane]

I just got off the phone with Adobe pre-release section, and they confirmed that the upcoming 1.5 *will* support the 25P native mode for PAL projects. Yay ! ;D

[speedbump]

I've confirmed with Matrox tech support that the new drivers due out in June for the RTX100 will NOT support realtime 24P operations, although they will allow Premiere Pro 1.5 to work with 24P.

I thought as much. Oh well, new free RT plugins, plus PP 1.5 editing in 24P will be fine with me.

[scharky]

Man, I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I really think adobe is screwing with it's customers. It is nice that it has these new added features in Ppro 1.5 but charging people more money for a program that was just released is pretty nuts. I think it is great that adobe listened to it's customers (much the same way that panasonic did with the release of the 100a) however, there are many people (like myself) who have found Ppro extremely buggy and have stopped using it for that reason. Just to list a few
-Using the audio mixer causes "a serious error has occured premiere will shut down"
-random "a serious error has occured premiere will shut down"
-trying to render still images will often give black or green frames in place of the image
-NO PROJECT TRIMMER (its a bug, it was in all the previous versions of premiere)!!!!
-Lots of DX9 hacks that people had to phisically alter in the registry in order to get any type of acceptable playback
-Aliasing problems with text. Some people have the problem other don't
-setting your safe margins to certain points causes ppro to crash
-The motion mask does not work the way it should (you have to make a separate clip in an embedded timeline
-Lots of DVD export problems
-Text being out of place after rendering

The list goes on and on.
Now most of these problems could have been fixed in an update or two (I'm sure they were fixed in Premiere pro 1.5, however, adobe has decided not to support premiere pro any longer. If you have it, your a beta tester for Premiere pro 1.5.
Don't get me wrong, Premiere pro is a great program, has lots of potential, but how about at least one free fix for this $600 program!
These arent' my thoughts alone, just check out the premeier forum. It is steaming with lots of loyal customers who aren't happy with this one bit.
Avid is updating their software to a .5 version with new features, guess what, it's freeeeeeeee
Apple is updating FCP and FCE to a .5 version with new features, guess what, it's freeeeeeee too.
And guess what, both of those programs had lots o bug fixes for freeeeeeeeee before the new versions were released.
Ppro was in it's infancy only 8 months old, and now they are replacing it. It has to make you think that maybe adobe wasn't too happy with it after all if they are trying to get rid if it this fast.

OF coarse, for all of us DVX users, the 24p support is great news, but really should have been a freeeeeee upgrade as well. Why you ask, because if you look at the press releases for Ppro, the adobe engineers tiptoed around that question. One would ask, "does premiere pro support 24p from the dvx100". adobe responds with the generic "Ppro supports framerates, and 24p is a framerate, therefor it will have support for 24p". There was never a straight forward answer and adobe knew that we wanted it, but they are now making us pay more for it. IT just aint right.
When vegas was first released it didn't support 24pa from the dvx. But the first update fixed all that. hmmmmmmmmmm. :(

[daveagain]

While I agree that a free upgrade would be nice and more reasonable(I am receiving a free upgrade with Lightwave), Adobe, is upgrading all of their video products and the professional grade version of the video collection, which is what I am receiving, has additional software with it. In addition, I don't know for sure, but I presume they will want to change the registration process so you have to "activate" their programs like they did with photoshop CS, illustrator CS etc. I am not keen on activation but I found that they allowed me to put photoshop, illustrator, indesign etc on two computers which makes it nice since I use my laptop quite a bit.

In regards to all the problems you have had with PPRO I stuck with it simply because I use all of their products and I like the integration. Also, I did not experience as many problems as you listed. I think you may have had an installation problem if you experienced all of those problems and some you listed appear to be more your preferences and are not problems with the software. There is simply no product out there that has the type of incredible integration that Adobe has available and so comparisons with other programs for me are unrealistic. It also sounds like the new PPRO will be using After Effects "effects" as well as its own.

Anyway, I am receiving 4 upgraded programs for $249 with improved integration. Also, with matrox improving their software tools (except for 24p) as a result of Adobe's upgrade, I am looking forward to working easier, faster and with a better output. I can live with it.

[scharky]

I am glad that you didn't have the problems that I did, and hundreds of other problems, however, I have to dissagree with you when you say that it was an installation problem, or a preferences problem. I also have the video collection pro (which is the only reason I might consider upgrading) and everything else from adobe ran beautifully. I installed vegas, ran perfect. I install premiere and here I am, tweaking settings until the sun came up, just to make sure that I could get a smooth playback on my clips. I figured the same thing, installation problem, then I headed over to the adobe forum and found that there were hundreds of posts of people having the same problems. There were even a few forum members who happened to post a few directx dissabliling hacks for premeiere pro. Why weren't the adobe engineers in on this. One simple patch was all I was asking for.
Oh, and the adobe integration thing with After effects, don't even get me started on that. Thankfully it seems to be worked out in 1.5. I don't know, I am just very bitter sweat about this whole thing, as I actually called adobe several times asking about a patch being available. A few of the reps aknowledged the problems, said "yeah we have been getting many reports of these problems and our engineers are hard at work with a fix". Turns out that fix is a whole new program. The thing that really bugged me was a few of the people I talked to at adobe were so rude and obnoxious that they said "problem, what problem, if you have a problem, use a different program." I was like "but I paid for this program and I would like it to run smoothly". The adobe rep said "sounds like you got computer problems". I said "thats funny, every other application I have, including adobe software runs perfectly. Nope no computer problems." So he said, "sorry, sounds like your stuck, and hung up the phone".
What a jerk, I pay $699 for some jerk to tell me I'm stuck, I think not. So if I seem bitter, that may be why. I have nothing against adobe at all, just a few lazy engineers that work for adobe. ;)
Sorry for venting, that has been building for a while. :o

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Scharky:

That's kind of astounding that an Adobe support weenie would be that rude to you, especially in the cutthroat marketplace that is the NLE scene today.

The only trouble I had with Premiere Pro was during captures, a lot of which was Operator Error, and also could be due to some issues with my Matrox equipment. I have since worked those out.

However, I have to agree that Adobe should have issued at least one free bugfix before coming out of the gate with a whole new version. Obviously, 24P support is a critical new feature which is demanded by the marketplace, but, as you say, Vegas added true 24P support through a free update.

[HybridTactics]

I agree Adobe support sucks and some of the updates (24PA support) should have been included in a free update. But I think some of your problems with Premiere Pro sound like a hardware/software conflict. I have a 3.2 ghz Dell workstation, and I've been using it since September with Premiere Pro, and I've only crashed a couple of times(something to do with the Conformed Audio Files). I've never done any tweaking or hacks to my computer. I also make sure I only install multimedia software on my computer. Also, what firewire card are you using? I'm using a generic one, and I've heard that they actually are more error free than Matrox or Canopus boards.

[scharky]

I never had to do any of the dx hacks on my machine, but i the forums there were tons of people that needed to use the hack in order to dissable dx9 while running Ppro. Ppro was always stable on my machine, except when I tried to use the audio mixer, then I would get the serious error occured thingy. My solution, stop using the audio mixer. However, I paid for it, I should be able to use the audio mixer. It was not my sound card, as I installed a new one, and the same thing happend. Plus I use the rubber bands and it works fine. I also stopped using pro because of the lack of the project trimmer. how am I supposed to back up my work? IT was included in all previous versions, did it say on the box, "New and improved, now without a project trimmer! Premiere Pro". No.
Plus there were small little glitches here and there that just bugged the heck out of me, like the fact that in order to use the traveling matt you had to create a whole new embedded timeline for it to move. I use the traveling matt quite a bit, and that was just time consuming and dumb. It wasn't like that in 6.x. Those things, and the 24p thing made me leave premiere, but I probably will return just because there are things that I do like about premiere. After effects integration is one of them. Again, I'm just really bitter sweat about this whole thing, I like adobe, but I hate how they treat their loyal customers. :( :(

[HybridTactics]

Yeah Adobe doesn't seem to have good customer support. But they do offer good value with their video collection. I remember when just After Effects Pro was $1500 by itself, now you can get the whole Pro collection for that much. You must also be happy then, that besides the 24PA support, that the project trimmer is back with 1.5

[sfogden]

Has anyone heard about timeline options in the upgrade? I got DVFilmaker a while back to convert some of my 24P Normal footage to make 24P DVDs (in Premier PRO), but Premier's 23.98 timeline seemed to cause workflow complications with the 23.976 from DV Filmmaker. Audio sample rates were a problem & their suggested workflow made my simple brain go 'tilt.'

I should have shot in 24PA, but didn't realize that till later. (didn't know I want to output a native 24P DVD.) Now, I'm wondering if I should upgrade my Premier Pro or change over to Vegas.

[matthewd5]

i can't wait for the update!

i just went in a pre-ordered the update for the entire video collection...

i had even bought a copy of vegas+dvd but i just couldn't get into their style of editing. i guess i've been using premiere too long and it just seems to work for me without having to really think about it too much.

i wonder if i start shooting stuff in 24pa how it will blend with stuff i already shot in 24p??

matthew

[Guest]

Adobe said it will support 24pA (with the 3:2:2:3 pull down)

Im still not to sure what this means.

Is it....

realtime conversion of the 24pA signal from 60i NTSC on tape to a true 24p file on the computer (23.978 is fine). I do not want a 60i file on my computer?

and editing of these 24p files in a timeline and have the timeline preview to a 60i NTSC signal in realtime over 1394 with a 3:2:2:3 inverse pulldown in realtime. Will there be any suport for sending out a 3:2 signal which most people would use?

And as a side note...if I get a seperate box that will convert my firewire realtime output to a composite output, will it dramtically affect my editing speed?

Thanks a lot for your help!
Adam

[Mike_Donis]

i wonder if i start shooting stuff in 24pa how it will blend with stuff i already shot in 24p??

It'll look identical, assuming that you reapply the 3:2 pulldown to the 24Pa footage. Remember, the DVX's CCDs still capture 23.98 frames per second...the difference between 24Ps and 24Pa is simply the storing method onto tape. Once finalized, they look exactly the same.

[John C Lyons]

will the price go up after the preorder period or do you think it will stay the same?

[sfogden]

I asked their customer service that question a couple of weeks ago & they said the price will stay the same. I asked 'why preorder?' & they didn't have a good answer.

[John C Lyons]

thanks sfogden...

curious because with the whole tight budget thing i am wondering if i can put off spending on the NLE a little longer. this is good news, unless of course they are wrong :o

[skettalee]

Well how about this. I see that adobe is keeping up with the jones' so all those remarks I said about vegas and Avid. Screw it. Im now a spokesperson of Adobe Premiere Pro 1.5 Holla at that playboy!!!

[skunker]

Got my Premiere 1.5 version in today.

IT ROCKS! Runs fast, bulletproof, and it works great with the DVX100.

So far so good....

[HybridTactics]

I preordered the Video Collection Pro Upgrade, and they haven't even charged me. That means they probably haven't even shipped it. Bastards! ;D

[matthewd5]

i ordered mine as soon as they had the pre-order thing up and they haven't charged me yet.

i went to check on their store to see if it said anything under my account but the store is offline...

i'm out of town so i don't even know if it might have come back at home but i doubt it.

people who have it please post more details!

matthew

[sfogden]

I wonder if they are shipping the PremierPro 1.5 before they ship the rest of the collection?

[skunker]

No, someone else said they got Encore with Premiere Pro on 5/20.

[matthewd5]

according to their site adobe now lists all of the new versions as shipping.

i logged into their store and it's interesting, i got the free trainning dvd with the video collection upgrade and it says the dvd shipped but that the premiere etc. is on backorder.

i'm out of town but it says that the dvd tracking number is at my house...

so if you ordered it online from adobe login to their store and check your status.

matthew