First rap song I've liked in years....(Jocko Sims)

[triplej96]

The guys name is Jocko Sims. So I started watching a show on STARZ called Crash (great show) its based on the film Crash. Theirs a black actor on the show and he sung a rap in one of the episodes and it just blew me away.

I did some research online and found out his name is Jocko Sims, his imdb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1544650/). To my surprise hes been in Jarhead and Dreamgirls among other films. I also found out he wrote and produced the rap that appeared on the TV show Crash.

Any ways here is a clip (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=tBJh7NRklQI)from the TV show with Jocko's rap scene. The rap starts at about 3:55.

I just bought his song on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Head-Up/dp/B001KWCV1I/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1228291568&sr=8-4)as well. His song isn't on Itunes yet I guess it isn't "big" enough yet. Song is titled Head Up

Just to clarify this isn't a advertisement I don't know Jocko Sims I just thought I would share this with everyone.




Josh

[Postmaster]

The only Rap song I ever liked was this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MEL84yXh0&feature=related), back in 1979 when rappers used to wear grandpa cardigans.
Watch the floor show dancers - priceless. :beer:

And maybe that one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kRuJhIVIo).
Remember that Pixelation was considered as a fancy special effect back than.

And if you think that´s old School have a look at the roots:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owqLjzTu3SA


.... OMG am I´m getting old.

Frank

[Richard J. Johnson]

Postmaster You and both are getting old!:beer: I am a hip hop head and have been since 79. The artform died in 97 IMHO. I can barley listen to anything past that. Man I hope Nsync gets back together.

[Nathyn]

The guys name is Jocko Sims. So I started watching a show on STARZ called Crash (great show) its based on the film Crash. Theirs a black actor on the show and he sung a rap in one of the episodes and it just blew me away.


This is what's called real hip-hop. You don't hear it much anymore. PE and acts like that used to break it down like this. But God forbid you try to tell anyone what's really happening now days. If you don't have booties shakin' or bling actually blingin' no one cares what you're talking about. Although there is Lupe Fiasco, but will he ever be as famous as Fifty Cents singing this kind of rap? Probably not. Sure his stuff sounds better than much stuff that's out there but the lyrics aren't about doing drive bys, bootie or slinging crack. That's what he thought about doing at first, "gangsta" rap but instead he does stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Et1siZhTk


The only Rap song I ever liked was this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MEL84yXh0&feature=related), back in 1979 when rappers used to wear grandpa cardigans.
Watch the floor show dancers - priceless. :beer:


Dude, no you didn't bust out Rapper's Delight. Indeed the granddaddy of hip-hop. And by the way Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five's "The Message" was indeed the first rap I ever heard. (If you don't count Morgan Freeman as "Easy Reader (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_PuAqRQLKA)" from the Electric Company. You don't get smoother than that).

-Nate

[Tom Marshall]

This is one of the few rap songs that I like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVVmxFnn53o

[Richard J. Johnson]

Freeman was smooth. LOL. I used to love electric company. Seriously if you ever want to hear some sick Hip-Hop music if you don't usually listen to it, check out. Public Enemy-it takes of millions to hold us back, NWA-straight out of compton, SLick Rick-the great adventures of slick rick, Nas-It was written, Eric B and Rakim-Paid in full (the single greatest hip hop album of all time to me) And the message is single greatest hip hop song of all time IMO. Now I need someone to school me on classic rock. I have never heard a single floyd album.

[Nathyn]

Eric B and Rakim, wow, been awhile since I heard that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZElWBsoyvUo

Speaking of Old School, here's Milk Dee using Fifty's "I get money" video after Fifty uses his "I get money" hook. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBwmXDloLOA I love how he's haphazardly edited into the actual video. It's funny someone listening to "Fiddy" has no idea where this came from. At some point Fifty Cents version of "I Get Money" became stupidly popular. But this is indeed a Milk Dee hook. But if you remember that then you're about my age. LOL.

-Nate

[Robbie Comeau]

The only rap song I liked was......Ummmm........Ugh...........Hmmmm.........

What's rap?

Robbie

[Richard J. Johnson]

LOL. I can quote that song word for word. If you aint in 30's you probably never heard of milk Dee. song was called top billin' produced by daddy-o of stetsasonic.

quote=Nathyn;1485295]Eric B and Rakim, wow, been awhile since I heard that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZElWBsoyvUo

Speaking of Old School, here's Milk Dee using Fifty's "I get money" video after Fifty uses his "I get money" hook. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBwmXDloLOA I love how he's haphazardly edited into the actual video. It's funny someone listening to "Fiddy" has no idea where this came from. At some point Fifty Cents version of "I Get Money" became stupidly popular. But this is indeed a Milk Dee hook. But if you remember that then you're about my age. LOL.

-Nate[/quote]

[Richard J. Johnson]

I don't know anybody that does not like Rico Suave Robbie....NOBODY:Drogar-Dum(DBG):


The only rap song I liked was......Ummmm........Ugh...........Hmmmm.........

What's rap?

Robbie

[Nathyn]

I don't know anybody that does not like Rico Suave Robbie....NOBODY:Drogar-Dum(DBG):

I remember that. Dude was hilarious and so low budget. He was indeed real big for a minute and even lasted for awhile on the Latino charts from what I understand. I still remember when people loved Vanilla Ice (you know, the people who say they "never" liked him. LOL). Can we just admit when Ice Ice Baby dropped we all thought it was pretty awesome and move on.

-Nate

[Richard J. Johnson]

You sir are correct on all counts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx64_N4AA04 here you go my friend ENJOY! the first line of this song and how he delivers it almost made me piss myself.


I remember that. Dude was hilarious and so low budget. He was indeed real big for a minute and even lasted for awhile on the Latino charts from what I understand.

-Nate

[Mark Harris]

Freeman was smooth. LOL. I used to love electric company. Seriously if you ever want to hear some sick Hip-Hop music if you don't usually listen to it, check out. Public Enemy-it takes of millions to hold us back, NWA-straight out of compton, SLick Rick-the great adventures of slick rick, Nas-It was written, Eric B and Rakim-Paid in full (the single greatest hip hop album of all time to me) And the message is single greatest hip hop song of all time IMO. Now I need someone to school me on classic rock. I have never heard a single floyd album.

I've been on Digital Underground all week...:) Also, Dr. Octagon...

[Tom Marshall]

You sir are correct on all counts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx64_N4AA04 here you go my friend ENJOY! the first line of this song and how he delivers it almost made me piss myself.

LOL. I remember this song well and watching the video when it would come on. It's actually a pretty funny song.

[matt s.]

Postmaster You and both are getting old!:beer: I am a hip hop head and have been since 79. The artform died in 97 IMHO. I can barley listen to anything past that. Man I hope Nsync gets back together.

Im gonna have to say 93 was the last really good year IMO. A few classics from 95 other than that its luck of the draw with who will drop a decent LP if anyone even the greats dont impress anymore :(

[triplej96]

Good to see everyone is reminiscing about rap and hip hop :) lol.

Yeah you are right nathyn Jocko is Hip Hop and his stuff sounded really unique.

[ugafan]

this dude was way ahead of his time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzldKO7Am9c

[matt s.]

right on uga!

[Richard J. Johnson]

Man I miss real hip-hop. This watered down crap today makes my head hurt. What happened? But I have to say this, that new ludacris album is nuts. His best IMHO.

[Richard J. Johnson]

Octagon was ill! He spit some crazy verses. And sex packets is classic!


I've been on Digital Underground all week...:) Also, Dr. Octagon...

[Nathyn]

this dude was way ahead of his time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzldKO7Am9c

All joking aside this indeed this could be the first actually rap. This guy was a comedian and was around in my parents era. My dad makes passing references to him sometimes.


Good to see everyone is reminiscing about rap and hip hop :) lol.

Yeah you are right nathyn Jocko is Hip Hop and his stuff sounded really unique.

Remember PM Dawn. He had that smooth laid back sound all the ladies went for? You had so many different kinds of Hip-Hop including romantic.

-Nate

[Gord.T]

I posted an off the cuff rant back in April in the cafe about hip hop which led to Beat Takeshi joining in at post #70 I believe. At that point things started getting really interesting.

I didn't know who Beat was then other than the odd dvxfest shorts and what not but have since been keeping in touch with him from time to time and with what his current and future projects are. A guy with quite a bit of interesting history there.

It's a long thread, but Beat's comments throughout are most notable in particular for those interested in the hip hop origins. Educated me all to hell on the matter. :)


http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=131791&highlight=dead&page=7


// And from that thread on the first page I must say this one set me aback. Some good stuff in there.


Hip Hop began as a medium for inner city youth to speak out about their social condition. It had social conscious and was primarily directed at people in a similar condition. The problem was that it was often quite heavy and the message was often quite political. And it was pretty hard to dance to!

Rap began as a splinter, generally from the same inner-city groups but was an attempt to be more "musical" and provide some entertainment at parties. In the beginning, it was mostly just bantering back and forth among DJs with good natured ribbing. Lot's of fun. And it was a primarily east coast phenomenon. Mostly NYC, and Philly. As things spread, it took on geographic overtones. LA added their gangsta culture and some felt it signaled the demise of the genre. Miami added some latin influence with strong bass and it sparked a whole new thing in the mid to late 80s. It was misogynistic but in general, they, like the new york crowd were disgusted with the gangsta stuff coming from the west coast.

And then things went commercial. There was the typical over saturation, and the splinter group pushing extremes to keep commercial entities from ruining the inner city voice.

Today we are left with a variety of small genres. There are the hip-hop purists that still do it the old way. You can listen to an entire album and hear little to no foul language, excellent musicality, etc. But it doesn't get on the radio much. You can hear the last vestiges of the gangsta stuff with the requisite hard language. You can hear the very commercialized stuff that plays on the radio ad nauseum, especially the Atlanta derivatives that were born out of a mix of Miami and LA. It's a mess.

Frankly, I don't see it as badly as many others might. All major types of music goes through these phases. Mozart was castigated for writing the Marriage of Figaro. Miles Davis was admonished when he departed the old sound for the likes of Bitches Brew. Muddy Waters was a heretic for bringing electric guitar to Blues. Elvis Presley dared to actually DANCE to rock and roll music. Heresy!

Unfortunately, much of white America has not been privy to the history and origins of hip-hop/rap and by hearing such a small subsection of it, they deem it all crap. Which is truly a shame. It's like going to see nothing but "B" grade horror flicks and declaring the entire genre crap.

[Nathyn]

Good stuff, but Beat left out the "House" culture that was happening right here in the Chi. Chicago was home to house music with DJs like Frankie Knuckles (credited as the first house DJ) and Jesse Saunders. The music started out around Cabrini Green projects. Then they added rap and then you had hip-hop.

I was down but a lot of house purest weren't "feelin' it", they just wanted the tracks. In my opinion hip-house led to groups like the KLF (The Justified Ancients of Mu Mu a.k.a "The Timelords" for you Dr. Who fans) and others with that sound.

KLF was the first to combine Rap and Country. Check out the song "The KLF-Justified & Ancient" (Stand by the Jam). Country great Tammy Wynette lends her awesome voice to the hook on the track along with "Richardo Da Force" who lends the rap vocals. This is pure dance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVM4UkQdR8A&feature=related.

-Nate

[Gord.T]

The rap started around 2:22 for a few seconds. My first response was Disco. And to say that was rap is something I'd disagree with.

That was a pathetic examaple of everything I believe in artistically from the standpoint of being an honest musical artist. Total commercail crap on the highest disgusting level imo.

So, yeah, I thought that was pathetic from an artists point of view.
Maybe not so much from an entertainers POV or maybe a cash bucket POV, but that's another story.

//lol, I have to laugh at myself. I have a few beers and tend to rant but I'm hangin out so I don't mean to sound like a prick. Just shootin the shit. man. Jeez, know what I'm sayin?
Alright....

-Gord. :)

[Nathyn]

I just said I think that hip-house was the inspiration. KLF was a lot of things (as you can see). It's not Rok Da House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fW_MSlyvAo and there's more Cookie Crew on youtube) but I mean come on. But KLF did indeed use both a Hip Hop MC and a Country Singer on the same track at a point when both no one would every think either musical form would get near to mixing. Today we have Cowboy Troy so "times are a changin' "

I enjoyed KLF immensely. They were probably the first group of this kind that I liked. I was never a fan of dance music without lyrics. Even though KLM were weird and their videos were insane. Then again anything's better than Pet Shop Boys "Go West" Video.

-Nate

[Gord.T]

...Then again anything's better than Pet Shop Boys "Go West" Video.

-Nate


lol hard. Yeah, I hear yeah, lol.

[Nathyn]

True story about why that video will be forever remembered. A friend and I were watching the local video channel at the time (more of a show than a channel). And the video came on. We figured PSB, can't be too bad. Boy were we wrong. That video got MSTed for a long time (at least an hour and a half). The big issue is it's length. It's not very long (4 minutes or so) but it's repaticious nature made it feel like it was. It made you want find their editor and beat him with the After Effects book. (Or whatever they used in that time). The irony is, in all honesty the song itself was pretty good. Every once and awhile I'll send that video to him out of the blue. Some may think it's mean but it's it is what it is. :)

-Nate

[Skribbleman]

Just curious as to what some of your favorite hip hop videos have been. The Pharcyde's "Drop" is one of my favorites.
And do you guys know that people are referring to late 80's early 90's hip hop as "Golden Era"? Makes me feel real old.

[Kirk Gillock]

All of those rappers are amateurs compared to THIS GUY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXb6bjCCtuY)!!! He's average and proud of it.

[Nathyn]

OMG! That is funny.


Just curious as to what some of your favorite hip hop videos have been. The Pharcyde's "Drop" is one of my favorites.
And do you guys know that people are referring to late 80's early 90's hip hop as "Golden Era"? Makes me feel real old.

My favorite would easily be "Walk this Way" by Run DMC and Aerosmith (I liked both groups so I loved this song), Beastie Boys "Fight For Your Right to Party" and "Parents Just Don't Understand" by, well we know who that's by D.J. Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince (a.k.a Will Smith). LL Cool J's "Momma Say Knock You Out" is in there too. But "Walk this Way" was my number #1 (It's Tricky probably #2).

In the late 80's early 90's Hip Hop was indeed golden but, yea it does make you feel old. LOL. I mean the fact I remember Surgar Hill Gang, Curtis Blow and Cool Moe D. says it all. When I said Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five's "The Message" was the first rap I heard, I wasn't kidding. This was released in 1981 or so. I was eight. My favorite songs at the time was this and - well - The Monkee's "Last Train to Clarksville". :huh:

The eighties was such a great time for music because of the variety. People like P. Diddy and DMX use hooks from people like "The Police" and "Phil Collins" for a reason. Can you imagine those names in the same sentence? As a matter of fact if you do a search DMX's "I Can Feel It" does indeed feature Phil Collins. Music was music in the eighties and you listened to what was good, period. The variety isn't there anymore. It's either Hip Hop, Pop Rock, or R&B.

In the good old days Run DMC, Metallica, Phil Collins, Michael Jackson, Madonna and the rest could easily be on the same video show right behind each other. Then again twenty years from now some guy will be saying the same thing about L'il Wayne, Dashboard Confessional and AFI so what do I know.

-Nate

[Richard J. Johnson]

The 80's were the best!!! Hip-Hop's best decade. All the classics came out. 1988 specifically. I was in 8th grade. The summer of '88 was the best of my life! Man if I could back for one week. Where the hell is Doc and his Delorean when you need him.

And "drop" was a great video. They just could not get the words right. Weird Al did a great job with the reverse thing on the Amish Paradise video. (very funny song btw)

Here is one. Who remembers the Rappin' Duke? Da Ha Da Ha..

[matt s.]

"well you think your bad with your raps well i'll tell ya pilgrim i started this crap. while you were in diapers and wetting the sheets i was at the ponderosa rappin to the beat,da ha da ha"

one of my goofy faves :)

I have a pretty large collection of 80's 12"

[Nathyn]

Rappin' Duke. I didn't get it at first. Then I caught on at the word pilgrim and ponderosa. LOL.

-Nate

[Richard J. Johnson]

"well you think your bad with your raps well i'll tell ya pilgrim i started this crap. while you were in diapers and wetting the sheets i was at the ponderosa rappin to the beat,da ha da ha"

one of my goofy faves :)

I have a pretty large collection of 80's 12"


LMAO! I still play that. It is on my ipod. My wife hates it. I sold all of my vinyl years ago when I stopped mixing. But I never had the duke.
enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2BpwT_8JzU

[Nathyn]

Rappin' Duke was gansta, LOL. But he has nothing on Blondie's man from mars rap at this end of her song Rapture. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHPikUPlRD8&feature=related and honestly when you're doing a rap like this, you better look this good. LOL.

-Nate