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Matthew Bennett
11-25-2008, 01:38 PM
Theres a big Nikon announcement dec.1 -

nikonrumors.com for info

Now that we all know the camera wars to grab the vid/still DSLR hybrid market are in full flagrante,

It will probably be a new Full frame still/video camera. Ultra secret... RED are also planning an announcement dec.3 to trump this camera...

A friend of mine was at an imaging show in CA this last week, he met a nikon designer, and the designer said that pretty much every new pro nikon camera will have a video option...

Any thoughts/new from anyone else??

Drew Ott
11-25-2008, 01:40 PM
I hope it has manual everything in video mode and less compression. :)

13th Judas
11-25-2008, 01:44 PM
they say it's MODULAR :)

murcott
11-25-2008, 03:22 PM
Im starting to get tired fo all these announcements. I know they are exciting and changing the direction of filmmaking... I jst want to know when can we buy them?

f64manray
11-25-2008, 03:31 PM
I'm assuming this will at least be $4,000+ dollars. Anyone care to speculate? I'm also assuming it's the new D3 at 20MP+ with full 1080p with 24fps.

f64manray
11-25-2008, 03:32 PM
Im starting to get tired fo all these announcements. I know they are exciting and changing the direction of filmmaking... I jst want to know when can we buy them?

No kidding. I'm especially tired of Jannard announcements. Dec 3rd? What a c#@## tease.

stoiqa
11-25-2008, 03:33 PM
Im starting to get tired fo all these announcements. I know they are exciting and changing the direction of filmmaking... I jst want to know when can we buy them?

something to remember 10yrs from now :-Happy(DBG):

f64manray
11-25-2008, 03:42 PM
Does anyone get the feeling that Red doesn't have a clue as to what they want to do. Their last announcement was met with less than enthusiasm by many. Now, a new announcement. If it doesn't compete with the 35FF of the 5DII, don't even bother.

Park Edwards
11-25-2008, 05:06 PM
The thing is, Nikon and Canon at least have a camera about a month or so after their announcement, maybe a bit longer...where as RED just announces stuff to try and deter people from buying other products. D90 was like 2-3week wait and the MkII was a month. RED just puts specs on paper.

murcott
11-25-2008, 05:22 PM
Does anyone get the feeling that Red doesn't have a clue as to what they want to do. Their last announcement was met with less than enthusiasm by many. Now, a new announcement. If it doesn't compete with the 35FF of the 5DII, don't even bother.

Jannard said that there will be changes..."expect them"!

These new changes will be even better from wat ive read on reduser. Maybe something affordable? Or sooner release date! $1000 dollar red camera? Would be crazy if u one day go to costco and seen a RED behind the glass display.

Anywhoo, I hope nikon has somthing more then the D3x on December first.

BLUESPIDER
11-25-2008, 05:23 PM
I just want to say HOW MUCH and WHEN CAN WE BUY IT....amusing Nikon fixed its compression, jello, etc. I like RED but it looks like I'll probably never get a chance to purchase one till 2012 so why even bother getting all excited. It's like having a hot stripper telling me she'll call me tomorrow so we can um...fix her computer.

Ian-T
11-25-2008, 05:29 PM
As much as I admire what Red is trying to do, it's basically just getting to the point where I don't care anymore. Sometimes businesses just shoot themselves in the foot by announcing a product too early.....and in the case of red...early is an understatement.

mrmoe
11-25-2008, 05:52 PM
it's like having a hot stripper telling me she'll call me tomorrow so we can um...fix her computer.

rofl.

Jim Klatt
11-25-2008, 07:02 PM
I heard that the new D3 will come out somewhere around $6-$7,000.

f64manray
11-25-2008, 07:05 PM
Jannard said that there will be changes..."expect them"!

These new changes will be even better from wat ive read on reduser. Maybe something affordable? Or sooner release date! $1000 dollar red camera? Would be crazy if u one day go to costco and seen a RED behind the glass display.

Anywhoo, I hope nikon has somthing more then the D3x on December first.

Look, he knows what he has to do, and that's to release a better more capable 5DII in the $3,000 ball park, and I don't even want to hear him open his mouth about it until the hardware is a month away from release like every other manufacturer does it. He's going to make an announcement on 12/3 about a product that's more than a year away from release. Spare me, Jannard. Call me when dinner is on the table, not 6 hours before.

f64manray
11-25-2008, 07:07 PM
I heard that the new D3 will come out somewhere around $6-$7,000.

Well that makes my choice for the 5dII even easier.

Jim Klatt
11-25-2008, 07:08 PM
As much as I admire what Red is trying to do, it's basically just getting to the point where I don't care anymore. Sometimes businesses just shoot themselves in the foot by announcing a product too early.....and in the case of red...early is an understatement.

Me too. Also, I am turned off by how they market these brains as if that is the price of the camera. After you have to add in all of the necessary components, it is much higher than the brain prices just to have a functioning camera.

joemondello
11-25-2008, 07:25 PM
I wouldn't mind an HD video feature being added to my D3 via a firmware upgrade.

murcott
11-25-2008, 07:49 PM
Look, he knows what he has to do, and that's to release a better more capable 5DII in the $3,000 ball park, and I don't even want to hear him open his mouth about it until the hardware is a month away from release like every other manufacturer does it. He's going to make an announcement on 12/3 about a product that's more than a year away from release. Spare me, Jannard. Call me when dinner is on the table, not 6 hours before.

ye, this is one huge freaking chess game thats going to take forever. A few problems though... there are more then 2 players and no rules. Its all about the sneek attack as your opponents make a move. Seems so far that RED is making all the strategy adjustments. But no dinner on the table yet which sucks!

Thebes
11-25-2008, 09:42 PM
I've been hearing D400 1080p, which I think would likely have a price point around $1800 to $2000 plus kit lens. I would imagine rolling shutter would be better since the higher end Nikons have quicker image processing, but who knows. D300, D200, etc have always had a more professional build and I think its quite reasonable to expect that a D400 would have some manual D-Movie controls.

Just speculation, but I'll be selling my D300 ... a "D4" and D400 release right now just sounds right. A D400 w/ 1080p24 and a decent data rate would really rock. RED obviously thinks so too, given their revised announcement just 2 days after Nikon's. Sorry, RED, but until its shipping I'll presume its once again going to change... Scarlet is vaporware until proven otherwise (which I dearly hope happens soon btw).

Nik Manning
11-25-2008, 09:45 PM
I am going to have to jump in and say the red cams are professional cams and not consumer cameras. HD prosumer cameras start around $4500 so if red wants to come out with a better than what we have now prosumer camera for 7k-10k after all the extras what is wrong with that? These video cameras are not for hv20 owners like me, but they are going after hvx200 market we are talking $5500 cameras that only have native 720p chips! So I agree I would like a $3000 scarlet next month, but geez these cameras are way better in a lot of ways than what is available now. The major players in the video market would have nickel and dimed us to death.

With all that said if Nikon releases a 1080p24/30 slr for under $3000 with some better manual features,less compression, reduced jello vision I am all over it. :)

jaybirch
11-26-2008, 04:43 AM
but geez these cameras are way better in a lot of ways than what is available now.

I think this is the point though.... on paper it all looks great but it still some way off and expected to change again and again.

I think it is a risky gameplan by Red... the 1st time around it was a novelty as they were really creating waves in a stale industry, but now that you can go and grab a 5D or possibly a pro nikon DSLR with video in the next month or two.... they are unlikely to get people to hold onto their cash unless they get something out soon.

the minute I stopped paying much attention to Red was when their spokesman said that he was embarssed for Canon on the launch of the 5d II.... then the next day or two totally scrapped months of scarlett planning off the back of Canon's news.

Emanuel
11-27-2008, 04:42 AM
First D3x pictures:

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/26/breaking-news-its-here.aspx

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/513/35325442d3xfrontsx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8363/35325442d3xbackbo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Chris_TC
11-27-2008, 06:58 AM
I have a feeling that the D3X isn't gonna do video.

mrmoe
11-27-2008, 09:24 AM
No "LV button". huh !!!

f64manray
11-27-2008, 09:32 AM
No "LV button". huh !!!


....and no XLR audio inputs on the bottom. It sucks. ;-)

Matthew Bennett
11-27-2008, 10:24 AM
There's speculation that the photo was simply a cut and paste photoshop version of the old D3 to just 'get an image up.."...

You can bet it will have a video function, everyone wants it, right?

bronxjragon
11-27-2008, 10:51 AM
First D3x pictures:

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/26/breaking-news-its-here.aspx

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/513/35325442d3xfrontsx3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8363/35325442d3xbackbo1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

what kinda lens is that? doesnt have threads or anything

Matthew Bennett
11-27-2008, 11:11 AM
I'm pretty sure thats just some photoshop frankensteining to throw nikons rumors off the scent...

They WILL hook us up with a vid/dslr. How else are they going to get our money?

It'll be the 1080p version, 24p, but still no manual controls. It'll be ONLY a HAIR better than Canon, and there will be totally rigged tests online that show us nothing about the refresh rate of the sensor...

Jim Klatt
11-27-2008, 11:19 AM
There will definitely be video. It is the price that I'm curious about.

Chris_TC
11-27-2008, 12:00 PM
You can bet it will have a video function, everyone wants it, right?
Well, everyone also wants manual control (and 24p in the case of Canon)...

ESTEBEVERDE
11-27-2008, 12:28 PM
I want the highest frame rates possible from which we can select down.

I shoot sports so it's nice to be able to see the action and not just blurs.

I'm not always trying to make the next Blair Witch.

Thebes
11-27-2008, 12:50 PM
I believe that picture was from a European Nikon website but has been confirmed to be identical in every way except the D3x logo as a certain D3 stock image. It is speculated that it was a mock up photoshop job done by someone at Nikon. The image has since been pulled. IIRC, YMMV, etc, etc.

I am not sure that the D3x will have video, but it probably will. I would guess any XLR inputs would use a mini-cable or adapter, pro still photogs would be pissed about the wasted space... Price point will probably be a little more than an HPX170 + Firestore, it will not be a cheap camera.

Jim Klatt
11-27-2008, 01:06 PM
The existing D3 sells for between $4,000-$5,000 for just the body, so the updated one will cost quite a bit more.

Chris_TC
11-27-2008, 01:35 PM
I want the highest frame rates possible from which we can select down.

I shoot sports so it's nice to be able to see the action and not just blurs.

I'm not always trying to make the next Blair Witch.
Blurs don't have anything to do with framerate at all. Fast shutter speed = little blur.

mattsand
11-27-2008, 02:00 PM
he said he wanted to see the action and not just blurs. i think you missed the first half. sure you can shoot 1 fps at 1/1000s to avoid blur but how much of the action does that capture? i totally understand what he meant.

beckspace
11-27-2008, 04:53 PM
I've found out thats hard to anticipate what's Nikon is planning, D3x, D4, or something else...

They are going for new ventures besides cameras,
look at their 'odd announcement' (http://feedmoo.com/2008/10/07/nikon-debuts-video-headset-with-wi-fi-8gb-of-storage-and-a-browser-wearable-computers/) from October (its a consumer product, but can be used for monitoring audiovideo? it has a wireless and NTSC input after all)

so Dec 1st can be anything, to me they are cooking something more than a D3 with an updated sensor

The only problem is that they took a very bad timing to play like Sony, with all economies sinking and big stores going bankrupt... maybe Dec 1st can be nothing, or everything, hard to guess

Emanuel
11-27-2008, 05:24 PM
There's speculation that the photo was simply a cut and paste photoshop version of the old D3 to just 'get an image up.."...I wouldn't say so.

http://www.benolivares.com/blog/

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/26/hidden-gems-d3x-almost-official.aspx

Any doubts?

John Sandel
11-27-2008, 08:16 PM
I wouldn't say so.
http://www.benolivares.com/blog/
http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/26/hidden-gems-d3x-almost-official.aspx
Any doubts?

Your #2 source "busted" your #1 source:

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/27/nikon-d3x-ad.aspx

anthonyt
11-27-2008, 08:28 PM
could be releasing a nikon camcorder who knows man

Emanuel
11-28-2008, 08:17 AM
Your #2 source "busted" your #1 source:

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/27/nikon-d3x-ad.aspx
I had linked: http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/26/hidden-gems-d3x-almost-official.aspx

Did you push the link provided by you? (it links you to my #1 source)

Can you read spanish?

It's already updated here, anyway:

http://sebrogers.typepad.com/

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/11/28/d3x-specs-and-details-available.aspx

reem12
11-28-2008, 08:51 AM
Yeah, I'm at a point that most of the industry is finaly catching up to the red technology and at an affordable price. \

I will not be waiting on red or anyone else for that matter to make the perfect cam. hopefuly nikon will answer the call, being that I just invested and their lenses. no more of these tease games from these companies who think they are the only ones that posses the technology that we so often seek.

timmytimetravel
11-28-2008, 09:05 AM
Ummm, so if I read that mag article correct, liveview, but no Video d-movie mode yes? :(

Ahh well, fix the d90 bits, I'm sure most of us prefer the smaller body anyway, unless they came out with a d701 with movie mode. fx would be nice.

Chris_TC
11-28-2008, 10:18 AM
Pretty much what I expected. Nikon caters to landscape and studio photographers only. So why provide high ISO capability or video mode when nobody needs it, right?
I'll take my dollars to Canon. After this announcement, the 5DII looks even sweeter.

anthonyt
11-28-2008, 10:21 AM
how could naikon not kill kwanon. argh.

anthonyt
11-28-2008, 10:22 AM
and wheres the vid rec brr

beckspace
11-28-2008, 10:45 AM
suddenly nikon got pretty conservative

but yet d-video can be implemented by firmware updates


from Thomīs site (http://www.bythom.com/):

But I will talk about the timing and the way the launch was handled: terrible. We're back to the old fumbling, disorganized Nikon. It appears that Nikon couldn't resist announcing into the Canon 5DII launch window (which also moved). Fine. I'm all for competitive positioning. But the problem is that the D3x launch appears to be completely out of control. Nikon's left plenty of rope to hang themselves, as there's now rampant speculation on price, what the real bitwidth is, and a host of other important things. As one forum post title put it "Let the D3x bashing begin."

Park Edwards
11-28-2008, 11:08 AM
and YET Nikon hasn't announced anything. It's still 3days away.

murcott
11-28-2008, 11:28 AM
and YET Nikon hasn't announced anything. It's still 3days away.

So i guess the possibility of there be another camera besides the d3x is very low. It would of been slowly leaked and rumored etc.... like this d3x camera?!? Maybe its a firm update for d700 instead? Anywhoo... a few more days then we find out everything.

Park Edwards
11-28-2008, 04:32 PM
No, i'm not saying that, but all we have is just a photo of some manual photoshopped or not...it might have video...just no telling what they'll come up with.

Jim Klatt
11-28-2008, 04:58 PM
No, i'm not saying that, but all we have is just a photo of some manual photoshopped or not...it might have video...just no telling what they'll come up with.

Actually, there is an expose in Nikon Pro magazine on the new D3x. It doesn't have video. Just follow
the links in the thread.

Man, I was totally wrong. :(

Matthew Bennett
11-28-2008, 05:11 PM
Bummer...

Ralph Oshiro
11-28-2008, 05:17 PM
Why is everyone so certain the "Nikon Big Event" is about the D3x?

Ralph Oshiro
11-28-2008, 05:19 PM
I've been hearing D400 1080p, which I think would likely have a price point around $1800 to $2000 plus kit lens . . .

Just curious . . . where have you been hearing these rumors?

Osslund
12-01-2008, 11:25 AM
Well D3x was a pure high-End DSLR but rest asure Nikon will continue D-movie.