Is there a way to correct unwanted OIS in Post Production?

[Freeze]

I'm a fairly new user of the HVX200 and have noticed almost all my pans shot with it have a slight jitter to them, and I'm almost certain it's because I forgot to turn the OIS off while shooting from a tripod.


Here's a link to download a few seconds of the original footage:
https://www.yousendit.com/download/TTZtU2V0dENJMHRjR0E9PQ

Before It was brought in to Final Cut (Straight from the Firestore)


I'ts not too bad on my computer but once I uploaded to blip.tv it became horibly noticeable: (worst at about :13 seconds in)
http://potratzpartners.blip.tv/file/1502723/


IS there any way to correct this in Post production? I'm using Final Cut Pro,

This is such a beginner mistake but any help you could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

[Douglas Villalba]

I can't really see the video. It seems like the bitrate is too high.
Try uploading it in Vimeo or ExposureRoom at no higher that 3000 mbps

[Freeze]

sorry about that, here's the 3000mbps version on blip:

http://potratzpartners.blip.tv/file/1502723/

ill upload one to vimeo or exposureroom asap

[Justyn]

might want to try that camera shake/wobble filters that they have in motion or another type of program...


I had this happen one time and I ended up reshooting as It was easier than hasseling with it in post

[Green Hornet]

Did you shoot that on tape?
It looks like footage shot from a progressive ccd and put on a non-progressive recording medium.

If you shot it on tape, it kinda looks like that.

[Jackson Miller]

Wait wait wait. So you are supposed to turn OFF OIS when you don't need it/have a fixed or tripod shot? I mean I know you lose resolution but I didn't know it actually had negative effects aside from that if you leave it on. I have never read that anywhere. I am no where near as experienced as many of you however. Could someone explain why though? Thanks.

EDIT: Wow I just watched. That has never happened to me. Is that because I have a DVX?

[Jarek Zabczynski]

You don't lose resolution using the OIS. Yeah you should leave it off for tripod shots, it can cause the image to jump when panning. All I see in this video is bad interlacing problems. Doesn't look like an OIS issue to me.

[Freeze]

Did you shoot that on tape?
It looks like footage shot from a progressive ccd and put on a non-progressive recording medium.

If you shot it on tape, it kinda looks like that.

No it was shot on a Firestore.... I think it is was an interlacing problem like mentioned above though because I uploaded it again and put it on vimeo too and it wasn't as bad: http://www.vimeo.com/2335932

It's still jumpy enough to bother me but I guess there's not really too much I can do about it except to make sure the OIS is off next time I shoot?

[Jarek Zabczynski]

Are you editing in the right timeline?

[Jason Ramsey]

Wait wait wait. So you are supposed to turn OFF OIS when you don't need it/have a fixed or tripod shot? I mean I know you lose resolution but I didn't know it actually had negative effects aside from that if you leave it on. I have never read that anywhere. I am no where near as experienced as many of you however. Could someone explain why though? Thanks.

EDIT: Wow I just watched. That has never happened to me. Is that because I have a DVX?

Yes. definitely do NOT use OIS when on a tripod already. your tripod is your stabilizing device in that instance...

Later,
Jason

[Jay Rodriguez]

Wait wait wait. So you are supposed to turn OFF OIS when you don't need it/have a fixed or tripod shot? I mean I know you lose resolution but I didn't know it actually had negative effects aside from that if you leave it on. I have never read that anywhere. I am no where near as experienced as many of you however. Could someone explain why though? Thanks.

EDIT: Wow I just watched. That has never happened to me. Is that because I have a DVX?



I know its been said but I'll say it too, don't use the OIS when on a tripod! It'll studder your footage. Take a look at the 3rd clip in the beginning of this video. It's a quick clip panning down with the OIS on and it studders.

http://itchyhousefilms.com/media_shontelle.html


Also, you do not lose resolution with the OIS on.

[Freeze]

Are you editing in the right timeline?

That may be a problem as well....Now bear with me as I am still new to these formats and don't understand them completely yet:

http://i38.tinypic.com/fb9do4.png

There's the settings for one of my clips. In the camera I selected 1080i/24p and recorded to firestore using the "quicktime" setting.

Now obviously in Final Cut there is no 1080i/24p setting:

http://i37.tinypic.com/4kjhn7.png

So the right choice would be 1080i60?

That's what I have been using but the editing time base is 29.97 and when I drag the clips into the timeline they always need to be rendered, which shouldn't be happening if I had matched things correctly right?

Also: I shot some footage using the 720p24 setting in the HVX but have 1080i24p clips that need to go into the same sequence. Here's the settings for the 720p24 clips in Final Cut:
http://i36.tinypic.com/x2nuvo.png
The correct thing to do would be to deinterlace the 1080i clips in a 720p24 sequence setting right? I get confused again here though because the editing timebase for the 720p24 sequence is 23.98!

I'm also wondering if I should of used the "quicktime pn" setting or P2 setting's instead of regular "quicktime"? would I be saving space?

Sorry for all the confusion, I greatly appreciate the help

[Jay Rodriguez]

If you shot 1080i/24p then in FCP you would choose DVCPRO HD-1080p24

[Freeze]

Ohhh okay and that would give me an editing timebase of 23.98 which matches the 1080i/24p setting in the camera. But I would need to deinterlace all the footage with the Upper Odd setting for it to display correctly right?

UPDATE: Here's a link to a small clip of the original footage:
https://www.yousendit.com/download/T...dENJMHRjR0E9PQ

incase if anyone wants to mess around with it in their timeline

[Jackson Miller]

Thanks guys. And yeah I don't know what I was thinking about loosing resolution. That is only for digital stabilization. But thanks. I think a couple clips I shot a long time ago had this. But for the most part I turn OIS off when using a tripod anyways just because I didn't think I would need it.

[Jarek Zabczynski]

I suspect you are working with 24p footage within 29.97 meaning you shot your stuff at 24p and not 24pa. You should take your original clips into cinema tools and reverse telecine everything to true 24fps then edit everything inside a 24p sequence. Looks like your 720p 24p clips are also over a 60p stream. Yes I realize I'm probably confusing the crap out of you.

You need to make all your clips natively 24p (23.98) and then edit.

[Freeze]

Haha Not Necessarily, What you said makes sense even though it is new to me... I've never used Cinema tools but the process you mentioned seems like it would match everything up correctly.

Is there a way to shoot to firestore that I won't have to go through that process in the future though? aka just import my clips into Final Cut and start editing? and without needing to render my clips first? Or is that only possible with Standard Definition?