"Time In A Bottle"- A film by Robbie and Kegan [Archive] - DVXuser.com -- The online community for filmmaking

Hunter007

11-18-2008, 09:17 AM

HERE's some BTS pics:

http://www.waterandoil-productions.com/deanna/Online%20Images/Online/Time%20In%20a%20Bottle%20BTS/TIAB%20BTS%201.jpg

http://www.waterandoil-productions.com/deanna/Online%20Images/Online/Time%20In%20a%20Bottle%20BTS/TIAB%20BTS%202.jpg

http://www.waterandoil-productions.com/deanna/Online%20Images/Online/Time%20In%20a%20Bottle%20BTS/TIAB%20BTS%203.jpg

http://www.waterandoil-productions.com/deanna/Online%20Images/Online/Time%20In%20a%20Bottle%20BTS/TIAB%20BTS%204.jpg

http://www.waterandoil-productions.com/deanna/Online%20Images/Online/Time%20In%20a%20Bottle%20BTS/TIAB%20BTS%205.jpg

Robbie Comeau

11-18-2008, 10:40 AM

How the shoot went:

First day of shooting went well. We shot all the kids scenes and it went fairly well. Felt long, but really, we shot it in about 5-6 hours including a lunch break.

Everyone got to the location at about 9, and we started shooting at 10. The first shot took a while, and I was worried that schedule would go all wonky.

The kids did a great job and I was amazed by it. We broke for lunch at around noon and started shooting again at 1.

We wrapped up at around 3ish, and I had a good feeling that we have everything covered.

This was the first film for me where I actually had people help out (sound mixer, producer) so it was all new, and that means, me being nervous. I was pretty worried about the shoot and how it would go, especially relying on others that I had
to be apart of it. In the end, I was satisfied and I now know a sound mixer I can hire for all my shoots!

Kegan helped out with the direction, and gave some nice insight on one of the scenes in terms of "cinematography".

All in all, the day went smooth, not to many problems.

Hope you all enjoy this thread!
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Cast:

Victoria Trinetti as Annie Coates

http://www.isarapix.org/pix10/1233099019.png

Jill O'Craven as Marie Laughlin

http://www.isarapix.org/pix72/1233099096.jpg

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Screen Grabs:

http://www.isarapix.org/pix53/1234908000.png
http://www.isarapix.org/pix10/1234908104.png
http://www.isarapix.org/pix2/1234908196.png
http://www.isarapix.org/pix4/1234908234.png
http://www.isarapix.org/pix90/1235864929.png
http://www.isarapix.org/pix7/1235864895.png
http://www.isarapix.org/pix64/1235864854.png

Robbie

Rodney V. Smith

11-18-2008, 11:10 AM

My gear and myself are at your guys disposal. Got the dolly, 6 tungstens, crane and steadicam shipping up in first week of December. Let me know how I can help in anyway.

Brandon Rice

11-18-2008, 11:15 AM

COMO! You should def. work something out with that concept you mentioned to me before.

Robbie Comeau

11-18-2008, 03:55 PM

Yeah, Brandon, I'd love to. You helping me with that? ;)

Robbie

Susanne G.

11-18-2008, 05:27 PM

Very welcome to the fest and much luck to you both! :beer:

Susanne

Tom Marshall

11-18-2008, 06:26 PM

So who's going to direct this?

Brandon Rice

11-18-2008, 06:33 PM

Yeah, Brandon, I'd love to. You helping me with that? ;)

Robbie

Still workin on it dude :) :beer:

Robbie Comeau

11-18-2008, 07:53 PM

I originally told Kegan that I wanted him to team up with my this fest, but I wanted him to be in control more on the business side (casting, locations, equipment, cast/crew)

We'll talk, but I think I'm the cinematographer, I'm definitely the Editor/CC, but I'd like to Direct as well.

I know in this business you can't, and shouldn't do it ALL, but I want to expand both my filming and directing skills.

With that being said, I'd like to be Director with Kegan, (He can be AD or something) But we'll both have say in whatever we do!

Robbie

Hunter007

11-18-2008, 07:58 PM

Tom Marshall

11-18-2008, 08:00 PM

I'll be producing and AD'ing on this short. Robbie wants to give directing a solid go and I'm more than willing to let him. I'll also have creative input however and we'll make this a real team effort.

-Kegan

Very cool of you, Kegan. :)

Robbie, directing can encompass everything... the top directors have say in every step along the way...

Hunter007

11-18-2008, 10:33 PM

Thanks a lot Tom! I like the producing role a little better anyway. Definitely don't mind directing though, but he's really passionate about it...so why not?

-Kegan

stinkpot

11-18-2008, 10:34 PM

Good luck guys.

:beer:

ConspiracyPenguin

11-18-2008, 10:48 PM

I know in this business you can't, and shouldn't do it ALL, but I want to expand both my filming and directing skills.

That's not true at all. Talk to Mike Horrigan who can beat the shit out of a film anyday, nearly single handedly. :) Good luck on this one, let me know if you guys need any help.

Richard J. Johnson

11-19-2008, 04:30 AM

Good luck.

Robbie Comeau

11-19-2008, 06:04 AM

That's not true at all. Talk to Mike Horrigan who can beat the shi* out of a film anyday, nearly single handedly. :) Good luck on this one, let me know if you guys need any help.

Yea, but Nick, it won't work like that when I'm older hopefully filming/directing/editing Spiderman 4..:) haha

Robbie

ConspiracyPenguin

11-19-2008, 05:14 PM

Yea, but Nick, it won't work like that when I'm older hopefully filming/directing/editing Spiderman 4..:) haha

Robbie

Well if you're talking about features, then of course not, but these are shorts, buddy...and not the kind you wear on your legs (although those can be nice too).

Robbie Comeau

11-19-2008, 06:06 PM

Oh, crap, this is a short film contest? I thought it was a feature length.

Never mind, I'm out then if that's the case.

Robbie

Michael Anthony Horrigan

11-19-2008, 06:09 PM

Oh, crap, this is a short film contest? I thought it was a feature length.

Never mind, I'm out then if that's the case.

Robbie
I'm just shocked that you haven't closed up shop and started your next LossFest thread yet. :evil:

LOL!

Just kidding. :beer:

How's it coming along? Have a script hammered out yet?

Mike

Robbie Comeau

11-19-2008, 06:16 PM

I wasn't planning on making one, then Kegan did.

I'm pm-ing you now..

Robbie

pauly_the_hitman

11-19-2008, 06:39 PM

Reserved for future ramblings...:)
Pauly

ConspiracyPenguin

11-19-2008, 06:59 PM

If you want any help with that script, Robbie, you know where to find me. :)

Tom Marshall

11-19-2008, 07:07 PM

At the Van Nuys Spearmint Rhino?

Robbie Comeau

11-21-2008, 12:21 PM

Herman Witkam is now aboard on the Robbie and Kegan train, composing our film!

Lookin' forward to it Herman!

-On a side note:

Kegan and I are reviewing some scripts and hopefully will come to a conclusion in the next week or so with a final script. Then it's planning mania from there!

Robbie

Rodney V. Smith

11-22-2008, 02:50 PM

Awesome news. Let me know how I can help you guys. I'm in Toronto through early January so make use of me. Looking forward to hearing about the script and designing the poster.

Robbie Comeau

11-22-2008, 04:34 PM

I wouldn't mind borrowing the jib/crane dude!

I'd love to use one of those shots.

Thanks,

Robbie

Rodney V. Smith

11-22-2008, 05:03 PM

you got it.

Robbie Comeau

11-23-2008, 10:38 PM

Should hopefully have a title and a story by late this week :)

Robbie

Zak Forsman

11-23-2008, 11:23 PM

good luck!

Hunter007

11-23-2008, 11:31 PM

Thanks Zak! Yeah, we definitely have a couple solid ideas we're debating between. We're really going to be putting a solid effort into this one and will be paying the utmost attention to the smallest of details.

-Kegan

Robbie Comeau

11-24-2008, 06:20 PM

Title up!

Time In A Bottle, third place winner for www.moviepoet.com :)

Got a script, might make some tweaks to it, but very minor ones!

Robbie

stephenmick

11-24-2008, 06:23 PM

Is this a bio-pic about dead singer/songwriter Jim Croce?

Could be tough to fit into a short film.

Good luck, RC and KS!

Mark Johnson

11-24-2008, 07:24 PM

Hey Robbie,

Your signature banner is dead.

Robbie Comeau

11-24-2008, 07:32 PM

Did I fool you?

Robbie

Rodney V. Smith

11-24-2008, 07:36 PM

you guys ready for a poster? PM me with your details and ideas.

Robbie Comeau

11-24-2008, 08:03 PM

I might just make a temp. one, 'cause I wanna go out and shoot something for the poster.

Thanks, I'll let you know.

Robbie

Hunter007

11-24-2008, 08:07 PM

No temp one. Once we have the picture for the poster, we'll PM you Rodney. We're not half-assing anything this round...nothing put up until its final, including posters.

-Kegan

Dustin R. Rogan

11-24-2008, 08:12 PM

yipes....just yipes!!!

Rogan

Chris Messineo

11-24-2008, 08:29 PM

I love this script and I can't wait to see the film. Best of luck with it.

Robbie Comeau

11-25-2008, 07:47 PM

Glad to be doing it.

Kegan and I are very confident that this film will turn out looking good.

We have an idea for the one 12 year old female lead! I want her in for a rehearsal.

I'm going to be doing a story board soon..

Robbie

Michael Anthony Horrigan

12-08-2008, 05:05 PM

Any updates on the storyboard or lead actress?

Robbie Comeau

12-11-2008, 05:15 PM

Story board is almost complete. Making some changes with the writer. Also, if Herman approves, we may have Sarah Daly write a song just for our film...The writer was happy with that, but I want Kegan and Herman to ok it first-Herman hasn't received anything yet so he doesn't know how it will turn out...He'll let me know.

It would be a song written for Time In A Bottle though, which would be neat, and something new.

Rodney is letting us borrow his dolly which is always a fun thing!

Kegan will make a casting call soon!

Robbie

Michael Anthony Horrigan

12-11-2008, 06:19 PM

Robbie Comeau

12-12-2008, 11:26 AM

WOW. Wow. Wow, is all I can say.

Sarah is a genious.

I asked if she was interested in writing a song for our film, but it wasn't going to be 100% yet as I'd have to have it ok'ed by some others.

So, knowing Sarah, she made it anyway :).

Just sent it to me and I am amazed. I want to show all my friends and every one I know.

I can't believe she made this in ONE night/day..

Lyrics, acoustics, and it fits the film so well.

I hope all works out. If not, after the fest I'll make a directors cut or something :)

Thanks Sarah!

Robbie

Sarah Daly

12-12-2008, 11:40 AM

He he - you are too kind...You just happened to catch me on a productive day!

And no problem at all - was a fun challenge - never written a song in that way before. Glad you like it but again, no pressure film wise :)

Robbie Comeau

12-14-2008, 04:57 PM

Yea you pretty much got the song spot on with the film.

:)

Got a new temp. banner people..

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

12-18-2008, 06:30 PM

My friend who has a sweet studio built in his basement (a rap artist) is letting me use his mic for any foley work that will be needed for Time In A Bottle.

I'll get a final cut done, go to his house and then get the cover audio sound files that I need.

He's got the AKG mic incase you're wondering.

Robbie

MrKilloran

12-20-2008, 01:02 PM

Looking forward to see what you guys come up with, good luck

Robbie Comeau

12-24-2008, 02:38 PM

Updates added to second post.

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

01-14-2009, 08:38 PM

Holding auditions this Sunday!

Robbie

Chris Messineo

01-14-2009, 08:40 PM

Auditions are so much fun. I hope you find some amazing actresses.

Robbie Comeau

01-14-2009, 09:31 PM

Any tips for holding auditions? It'll be my second time (Kegan will be with me though)

Robbie

alex whitmer

01-14-2009, 09:38 PM

Use sides.

Robbie Comeau

01-26-2009, 02:21 PM

2/3 characters casted. Still need a young Annie.

Head shots soon!

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

01-27-2009, 04:35 PM

Cast updated.

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

01-29-2009, 05:38 PM

Potential location up...

Robbie

mattspat

01-30-2009, 02:46 PM

is that richardson park?

Robbie Comeau

01-30-2009, 02:50 PM

Bayview park.

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

02-03-2009, 02:58 PM

Hired a sound mixer/boom op. for the two shoot dates.

Looking to shoot the young children's scenes in the next week or two.

Some new location pictures up! We're gonna have to cheat with the camera angles on the shoot day, avoiding some objects in the background.

Robbie

Erez Henya

02-09-2009, 04:46 AM

Time In A Bottle, third place winner for www.moviepoet.com (http://www.moviepoet.com) :)

That's a great approach!

Please receive my best wishes!

Hunter007

02-09-2009, 04:54 AM

Our tentative shoot date of Wednesday February, 11th might have to be postponed due to rain. I'll discuss with Robbie, but that's what it looks like its shaping up to be.

Kegan

Robbie Comeau

02-10-2009, 12:25 PM

The shoot/film may or may not be done...For the deadline at least.

Lets hope the cast and crew can get together to shoot this in the next week or so...Other than that, this thing may not make it for the deadline :(

Everything is ready to go though,

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

02-16-2009, 12:22 PM

Shooting tomorrow (Tuesday).

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

02-17-2009, 05:50 AM

Shoot day!

Wish us luck,

Robbie

jasonthewho

02-17-2009, 06:10 AM

Good luck!

Robbie Comeau

02-17-2009, 06:17 AM

Thanks man, it's the first shoot day of 2 :)

Robbie

Rodney V. Smith

02-17-2009, 09:23 AM

good luck to ya

Robbie Comeau

02-17-2009, 03:05 PM

Wrapped today the first day of shooting. One more day to go.

I posted some grabs on the first page!

Robbie

jasonthewho

02-17-2009, 06:05 PM

Nice grabs! I'm always interested in shorts with children in them. They're a challenge, but I think ultimately more impressive if you pull it off.

Robbie Comeau

02-17-2009, 06:14 PM

So far in editing, I'm finding there acting is GREAT!

I can't wait till it's finished.

Thanks for the comment!

Robbie

Michael Anthony Horrigan

02-17-2009, 06:16 PM

Nice grabbage, Robbie.
Looking good.
:beer:

Robbie Comeau

02-17-2009, 06:43 PM

Thanks Mike.

I think you're gonna be WAY to surprised to see this...

I think the kids acting are better than the average teen/adult...What I find so far editing this..

I can't believe it, and I hope it's as good as I think it is when it's finished. The acting and story so far seem to be really making this good!

Robbie

Hunter007

02-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Well, after our first day of shooting...all I have to say is I have NO idea why people complain so much about working with kids! Granted, it is a little tougher and we were shooting in the cold for 6-7 hours, but they handled it like champs.

The key is definitely to make sure to give them enough breaks, lots of encouragement and have a LOT of patience.

There was some fiddling around with presets that PaPa and others created, so kudos to them for helping get the look we were going for.

I'm happy with the way today's shoot went and look forward to shooting again next week. Our sound guy Paul (last name ?) was fantastic and remained very professional throughout, though clearly we were in a budget he is not used to working in.

Anybody have any questions?

Kegan

Robbie Comeau

02-17-2009, 08:17 PM

Ya...Where's the BTS?

Robbie

Hunter007

02-17-2009, 08:37 PM

Check first post for BTS.

-Kegan

Rodney V. Smith

02-17-2009, 10:05 PM

you guys looked as cold as we were this weekend. actually, you look warmer.

Robbie Comeau

02-17-2009, 10:07 PM

Wasn't cold. No one complained.

It was only cold when the wind came.

It was around -2 the whole day.

Robbie

Hunter007

02-17-2009, 10:18 PM

It was sort of cold, but everyone knew exactly what to wear and how to prepare for the shoot. Preparation is key and we just gritted our teeth and kept going until the day was done.

Kegan

tonetripper

02-18-2009, 09:15 AM

I'm happy with the way today's shoot went and look forward to shooting again next week. Our sound guy Paul (last name ?) was fantastic and remained very professional throughout, though clearly we were in a budget he is not used to working in.

I was comfortable with the budget. I also saw a rough cut of it and it turned out fantiastic. I tell you those toque mics is one of the best wiring jobs I've done. T'was fun. Looking forward to the final outcome.:thumbup:

Robbie Comeau

02-18-2009, 10:54 AM

Ha, good job on becoming a member Paul.

Robbie

Hunter007

02-18-2009, 11:15 AM

Ah and our sound guy joins DVXuser! Yes, I completely forgot to mention the toque mics. That was a fantastic idea.

It's starting to shape up rather nicely and as I said, I'm looking forward to shooting again next week. Hopefully on a nice day too.

Kegan

Robbie Comeau

02-18-2009, 05:02 PM

Here's a still grab from the film that I'm working in terms of depth:

http://www.isarapix.org/pix87/1235001023.png

Robbie

clarkage

02-18-2009, 11:09 PM

Hey man looks like things are really rolling along nicely for you here! Glad to hear it! I can't wait to see this entry! I'm curious about how you added depth. Are you using AE?

Robbie Comeau

02-18-2009, 11:53 PM

Robbie Comeau

02-19-2009, 06:33 PM

Some info on the shoot on the first page!

Robbie

J. Erik Reese

02-19-2009, 07:54 PM

Hey the screen grabs look great! Lossfest is going to have alot of amazing films! I really like the image you guys decided for the young girl.

Robbie Comeau

02-19-2009, 07:56 PM

Thanks J...Assuming your a new member?

Have fun viewing this site and all of the lossfest films!

Robbie

Rodney V. Smith

02-19-2009, 09:04 PM

Looking good Robbie. keep em coming.

Beat Takeshi

02-19-2009, 10:18 PM

Ya, I used the Lens Blur effect on the footage. Then, on the layer I had it precomposed with a ramp in it controlling where the depth is :)

A little bit of roto work around the talent on the right as well.

Robbie

I did this for my very first DVX film years ago. I rotoed all the red umbrella scenes in my silent zombie joint. Took like 4 days of moving points around the mask.

Robbie Comeau

02-20-2009, 09:27 AM

It's a pain, but luckily when there in side the tree, I can stop the roto work per frame :)

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

02-28-2009, 04:50 PM

Second day of shooting went well. Really cold, but we lasted.

Grabs added on first page!

Robbie

Hunter007

02-28-2009, 05:42 PM

Just quickly checking in - now TODAY was a horrible day to shoot. I have to admit, it was ridiculous. I mean, this was short but the drop in temperature more than made up for it. I couldn't imagine shooting a full day at -25 degrees celcius.

Anyway, we sat down and came out with a rough cut tonight - it's going to be tight, but I have no doubt we're going to make it in on time.

I'm going to do a more full write-up of the two collective shooting days and post back once my fingers dethaw.

-Kegan

Rodney V. Smith

02-28-2009, 05:47 PM

congrats on wrapping guys. it LOOKED like such a great day for a shoot too and I considered calling my actors down to do a pickup shot... once I got outside... OH MY GOD WHERE THE HELL DOES THE WIND CHILL COME FROM?

I had to go back inside. Kudos to you guys for braving it and sticking it out for so long. Betcha didn;t get the handwarmers, right?

Michael Anthony Horrigan

02-28-2009, 08:59 PM

I was out there today.... bitterly fucking cold! The wind just cut through you like a knife.

Way to hang in there and get it done. :thumbup:

MAH

Robbie Comeau

03-03-2009, 01:58 PM

Thanks guy!

Nailed a final cut to 3:30. (With some sound design touches I still need to do)

Anyway, I sent it out to the Composer, Herman, and all I can say is this...

IT IS ALL UP TO HIM NOW!

I think the score will help sell this piece ALOT better.

Robbie

Sarah Daly

03-03-2009, 04:16 PM

Congrats dude - hope the finishing touches go well - can't wait to see it!!

Robbie Comeau

03-04-2009, 07:43 AM

Thanks Sarah.

The film is pretty short, so I'm not sure If I can fit in your song anywhere :(

However, in the future I intend on making a music video using clips from the film :)

Robbie

Michael Anthony Horrigan

03-04-2009, 07:50 AM

Thanks Sarah.

The film is pretty short, so I'm not sure If I can fit in your song anywhere :(

However, in the future I intend on making a music video using clips from the film :)

RobbiePlay it over the credits and lengthen them out a bit. You have the room. :)

Sarah Daly

03-04-2009, 12:48 PM

Oh no worries dude - it's cool! Any day I'm forced to write a song is a good one!
But thanks for the suggestion Michael!! Maybe I can have my own cut with 3 min long credits? :)

Robbie Comeau

03-06-2009, 12:29 AM

Yea, I may end up using some of the song for the end credits. Although there pretty quick.

Maybe another version!

Robbie

Robbie Comeau

03-06-2009, 05:27 PM

Just received the score from Herman.

It's beautiful.

I wouldn't mind some touches.

Also, during the song, I hear a "click" or a "pop" kinda noise for a frame or two...It's bugging me cause I converted the song to an AIFF file.

This quick beep/bop sound only happens when it's in my FCP timeline...Not in the original file he sent me.

Can I fix this at all?

Robbie

Zak Forsman

03-06-2009, 05:41 PM

check that both your sequence and the file are running at the same sampling rate (48khz vs 44.1khz for example). not being the same can cause pops.

Robbie Comeau

03-06-2009, 05:45 PM

48 kHz for my timeline.

Now, how do I check/change the file?

Robbie

Zak Forsman

03-06-2009, 05:51 PM

look at the audio clip in the project bin and scroll right to the "Aud Rate" field. if it's not 48khz, this might be the issue.

Robbie Comeau

03-06-2009, 06:48 PM

Thanks Zak.

The score was 41.

:)

Robbie

Michael Anthony Horrigan

03-06-2009, 09:39 PM

I can't wait to hear what Herman has done for this one.

It's amazing how much a great score can add to a movie.

Good luck.

MAH

Herman Witkam

03-07-2009, 04:20 AM

I did it in 44.1 khz because I figured it would be web and the compressed version is likely to be 44.1 khz. Normally for DVD and theater mixes I do use 48 khz :-)

Zak Forsman

03-07-2009, 09:51 AM

Robbie Comeau

03-08-2009, 04:14 PM

Gotta do last minute things and leave this country!

Compressor is being stupid cause it won't crop at 2:35.1.

I hate it, I hate it. I'm doing it all right as well.

It's taking a while to export at 1280x720, so I hope I can get this done before I leave!

*Crossing my fingers*

Robbie

Michael Anthony Horrigan

03-08-2009, 04:30 PM

If you can't get it done upload the HD file to your site and send me a link.
I'll use QT Pro and get it done. Cropped and all.

MAH

Robbie Comeau

03-08-2009, 04:35 PM

Thanks Mike, appreciate it.

Only problem is the wait time on the export which is right now.

It's about half way done in Compressor (Batch Monitor) then after that it usually just finishes quick.

Not sure how long it will take to upload it to the DVXUser's server, but I think I should be fine!

Unless, you want me to express mail you the project file and the tapes, you can capture, link the footage, and then do it yourself? Or is that to much work?

Kidding...:)

Thanks though!

Robbie

Zak Forsman

03-08-2009, 04:37 PM

took 15 minutes to upload to the dvxfest server.

Robbie Comeau

03-08-2009, 04:41 PM

Ok, shouldn't be bad then.

That makes sense since Too Late To Cancel was under 30MB's, and it didn't take to long either.

Robbie

preston

03-08-2009, 04:42 PM

my upload time was around 7:20, if that helps any.

Robbie Comeau

03-08-2009, 04:47 PM

Thanks Preston.

Everyone, lets get this thread bigger than the Ol' Fat Monster thread back in Twilgiht Fest! (Or any of Zak's threads. And by any, I mean any. From the Sound forum to the Writing Forum.)

Come on!

Robbie

Zak Forsman

03-08-2009, 04:49 PM

http://www.suggestionsforweightloss.net/images/youcandoit_4bi6.jpg

preston

03-08-2009, 04:51 PM

...slightly off topic, but remind me to tell you guys how we almost burned Tony Little's house down...

Michael Anthony Horrigan

03-08-2009, 05:10 PM

Rodney V. Smith

03-10-2009, 09:59 AM

Robbie just watched the film and it's a good effort. I liked your choice of actors and locations, especially given the many changes you had to make. You've got some nice shots in there and you're definitely progressing in the art.

Some things didn't quite work for me though. Try to spend more time with your actors and let them become more comfortable with the characters, cuz the big thing that blew it for me and it was even just watching them walk was this: they were acting.

Yeah I know they're actors and everything, so they;re supposed to act, but there was a definite "I'm acting this and doign what I'm told" level of discomfort from the actors, and watching that kind of threw me off. For them it was all just pretend. No one was properly invested in their characters and it shows. For a piece like this, the emotional involvement was key to pulling this off.

Just sit with your actors next time and try to figure them out, what makes them respond and try to get them to not play a character, but be themselves AS the character. What a good actor can do is make you believe that it happened to THEM and that it's entirely real. For a while you can forget that they're just acting and be drawn into the story completely.

Good effort, decent edit. It's good to watch your growth here on the forum.

Michael Anthony Horrigan

03-10-2009, 10:30 AM

Robbie and Kegan.

I thought this was a very good short. I have to disagree with Puck on the acting. I thought the kids did an amazing job and they came off extremely natural. Kids are tough to work with but you guys pulled it off. Especially during their dialogue together. I had zero issues with them.

The lead actress sold the moment for me as well.

The sound design and music was also top notch! Big improvement here.
I now love the jolt at the end between the lead actress and the kids jumping on the bridge. Nice touch.

You also nailed the theme. Solid story.

I have a few nitpicks but you already know them. Filming the girls in plain woods and then showing the new park with a more mature marked tree when the lead actress shows up would have helped sell the past/future even further.

Great entry though.

Nice work to the both of you.

MAH

Chris Messineo

03-10-2009, 11:46 AM

Robbie, Wonderful film. You just keep getting better and better.

I really liked your actresses a lot. Working with kids is not easy and I thought they were great - very natural and the lead actress was subtle and I felt the pain of her loss.

Lastly, as always, Herman's music was a perfect accompaniment for this touching film.

Well done.

Hunter007

03-11-2009, 12:49 AM

Thanks for the comments guys. There were some deviations we had to make from the original screenplay that took out some of the emotional firepower that was intended, but I think that we got a strong performance from the girls.

I will admit however, that the lead actress' facial expressions could have been worked on a bit, as well as her walk that opened the film...it was just hard to control either, considering how cold it was that day.

Come to think of it, if we weren't on such a tight timeline at the very end - I would have rescheduled for a different day. Ah well, not justifying anything at all...they're all valid points.

Rodney, thanks for the comments. I agree that working with actors is very important and I'm sure Robbie will take it into consideration and schedule rehearsals the next time around. It's just sometimes difficult when everyone's schedule is so crazy and the actor's are young (ie - have to miss school, or weekend function, etc) and doing it for free. I can't speak on Robbie's behalf, but I'm sure that he appreciates the advice on getting to know your actors.

Chris, I have to thank you for bringing Time in a Bottle to our attention. Without you pointing us in this direction, we might have decided with something completely different.

Mike, comments appreciated as always and glad it had the intended emotional effect for you.

Keep the criticism coming guys!

Kegan

Lawsuit_Boy

03-11-2009, 12:49 PM

This was a very sweet and endearing film, you guys. It was rock solid and I can most certainly appreciate the story. The acting was all very good. You really are coming up in the world of filmmaking, Robbie.

Now, as lawriejaffa had so eloquently put it in another thread, this film ran the risk of being "easy" with sentimentality. I dare suggest that this film does indeed run close to easy sentimentality, but it is grounded by the performances, the structure, and sturdy production values.

Sure, it borders on sentimentality, but it still has a BIG heart, and I love that.

Really nice work here! :thumbsup:

Robbie Comeau

03-11-2009, 01:15 PM

Thanks for the comments everyone. I appreciate it a lot.

I have to disagree with Rodney as well, as I thought the acting was veeeery natural, and very skilled/talented.

I am learning, as is Kegan, and I guess my only goals are ot make my next film better than the last!

Robbie

Lawsuit_Boy

03-11-2009, 01:20 PM

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Just saw this, and I must comment because I think Tony Little is a fascinating television personality, much like Billy Mays. Eventually, I would love to do a parody infomercial including both of them. :)

Rodney V. Smith

03-11-2009, 01:25 PM

Hey I can't be right all of the time. I was mostly referring to their approach anyway, so sorry I didn't clarify. Kind of threw me off a little there. The actors for the most part were very good, but the approach really didn't work for me. Skipping along like that... just doesn't work for me.

Robbie you've got a good piece here, but it's simply just good. Take it for what it's worth dude.

ZazaCast

03-11-2009, 01:37 PM

Good film Robbie (I like this much more than the other one you entered). I think the score really helped bring this to life for me.

...now tell me why that bridge looks so familiar????

Robbie Comeau

03-11-2009, 01:39 PM

Rodney, now that you mention it, I think you're right about the skipping.

I can see what you're saying here definitely!

Robbie

Lawsuit_Boy

03-11-2009, 01:42 PM

Regardless of the skipping fitting the film or not, Tony Little is still awesome.

I agree that it might have pushed the child-like aspect of the film harder, but it wasn't really bothersome. Just something to consider.

alex whitmer

03-11-2009, 02:19 PM

Blaine

03-11-2009, 02:54 PM

Robbie, kudos to you and Kegan for this effort. Dammit, you actually touched me with it. You've come a long way and should be proud of this.

I would have liked to seen the ashes in a better container than a paper sack AND there needed to be more of them.

The girls' acting was all right, not the best, but served the story well.

Good job. This has been your best effort yet.

Jeff Anderson

03-11-2009, 03:00 PM

Robbie, Keegan - this was great! Its a nice simple story and you two did it justice. Congrats. Keep up the good work. Little things could be changed here or there (nothing that hasnt already been mentioned) but it was a nice looking picture and the story played out well - held my interest the entire time - hard to do :)

And congrats on touching Blaine. Thats disgusting.

MrKilloran

03-12-2009, 12:34 PM

A nice film with some effective acting. I admire your use of a younger cast, it can be difficult at times but you seemed to get what you needed out of them. The music was a great choice and I liked the grading you chose to differentiate past/future. Good work

Robbie Comeau

03-12-2009, 12:39 PM

I was privy to the screenplay before filming, and think Kegan and Robbie did it justice. I believe they mentioned 6 minutes sliced off some opportunity to explore more emotional drama, and I agree. Kinda get the pay-off way at the end, and it's not really 100% clear what she's doing with the bag - and why a bag? - until the ashes scatter (far too few ashes, by the way).

Anyways, the actors did a good job. Much to be proud of for each of them.

I'm a little bored with kids being cast as 'kids' and would have liked to have seen a little more depth to them besides just being 'girls'. It would have made the pain of loss a little deeper and sincere. There could have been a bond beyond just a jar of goodies, though I know that stuff is mega-important in a child's eye.

Don't be afraid to make a good script better!!

Nice film, Robbie and Kegan. Already looking forward to see what you do next!

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Thanks Alex. The ashes were tought cause I didn't know what they looked like in real life, nor did I know homuch to throw.

The talent just grabbed a handful, and threw them. It wasn't suppose to be ALL of them. :)

A nice film with some effective acting. I admire your use of a younger cast, it can be difficult at times but you seemed to get what you needed out of them. The music was a great choice and I liked the grading you chose to differentiate past/future. Good work

Thanks man, some people say it's B&W, but I think their monitors are just messy, haha.

Robbie

Norm Sanders

03-13-2009, 06:33 PM

This had a really solid feel to it, folks, and I rated it highly. I really enjoyed this, but for me at least it was unclear on WHICH one had made it, and which one passed away. I was also confused as to what exactly she had spread, but I'm guessing perhaps the other girl's ashes?

Framing, audio, score, everything was pretty pro on this. Again, a good, sentimental film, which I enjoyed.

Dang, Herman was INSANELY busy!!!!

ZazaCast

03-13-2009, 09:51 PM

And congrats on touching Blaine. Thats disgusting.

...and isn't there a law against that?:huh:

armisiano

03-14-2009, 01:05 AM

Beautiful work Robbie, truly.

Geoff_R

03-14-2009, 09:02 PM

Robbie, this was good man! I thought the story was good, very touching and you did a solid job with the directing. Both the little girls were fine but your lead was definitely good... she gave off a lot without saying much at all. I think this is a strong film overall and this is definitely my favored of the two you submitted this go around. Thanks for sharing!

Robbie Comeau

03-14-2009, 10:13 PM

Thanks so much Geoff. Means a lot!

Robbie

vnguyen972

03-14-2009, 10:30 PM

Watched this and i was moved by it. Very good job at that... The kids are awesome and the grown up character is beautiful... I think it's definitely one of my favorite so far! I was pulled into the story itself that i didn't pay any attention to the technical parts... there maybe nothing for me to look for anyway! Great job man!

alex whitmer

03-15-2009, 12:04 AM

2nd rounds ...

The acting really is excellent all around. Only one line came across as stilted, and that was the bit about space suits. Otherwise, well done, and well directed.

I especially like the shot of the girls standing up as they face each other at the 2:07 mark.

Nice detail on using the green scarf to make it clear who we were seeing after 20 yrs (still not convinced you needed to super that).

Vast improvement over past fests.

Only two blips on detail, one I already mentioned about the ashes - paper bag and not nearly enough. Also, this round I see she drops the bag on the ground with a thud. Hardly seems respectful, assuming some of her friend is still in there??

The other blip is a jar buried for 20 years would have a rusty top that would be a bear to unscrew. Looked good as new.

Details matter!

Color is real nice on the two girls. Will make for some gorgeous screen grabs.

I'm sure the writer is pleased.

aw

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Robbie Comeau

03-15-2009, 03:47 PM

Hey Alex, I know you're a talented person so I thank you for the review! A second one as well...I'm assuming you're doing that for everyone?

Watched this and i was moved by it. Very good job at that... The kids are awesome and the grown up character is beautiful... I think it's definitely one of my favorite so far! I was pulled into the story itself that i didn't pay any attention to the technical parts... there maybe nothing for me to look for anyway! Great job man!

Like hearing that it's your favorite! Makes me wanna make another film bro.

Robbie

gabrielflorit

03-15-2009, 10:20 PM

Kept me interested till the end, which is good. Very predictable. Wasn't a story (in my opinion) - we weren't allowed to predict or wonder how things would develop.

But the young girls' acting skills were strong enough to keep me watching till the end.

Congratulations.

Brian Parker

03-16-2009, 01:05 AM

I've never done it but it seems like it can be a little tricker to work with younger people. Granted, their not little little kids but still. It worked well and they gave storng performances. The grown woman did as well. Very good composition on your shots. For me, it was rather refreshing to see flashbacks with rich color and present day more washed out for a change. Thought it was an added compliment to the film. Good work!

jasonthewho

03-16-2009, 03:23 PM

Really impressed with this Robbie! By far your best work. The acting is great, and the film is emotional without pushing too hard.

Some lovely shots. Like the color timing of the different time periods. Ironically I did a similar thing in my film.

I would have liked a close-up on the paper bag, perhaps right after the very first shot of the movie, before we flash back. I didn't notice the bag at first, and so I didn't have the question in my mind of what was in it. You want to make sure you have a clear set up so that the pay off works properly.

The sound was very good. I especially liked the echoey effect on the singing when heard in the present. The only problem I had at all, and I don't know what would have improved it, was the sound as they crossed the bridge. It just had a weird quality to it.

I would have to say that the thing that really stood out to me here was the performances. Very very strong.

This is a great entry Robbie, and one that fully embraces the theme.

Robbie Comeau

03-16-2009, 04:14 PM

Hey man, I'm pretty sure I commented on your film, but I loved yours!

Thanks for the comment, and you gave me mostly positive feedback which is good.

I hear ya out on the bridge quality. While editing, I thought it sounded funny from the rest of the films audio.

My first time hiring a sound guy, and I give props to him cause I thought he did an excellent job, and I'll be using him for future projects!

Thanks for the comments everyone!

Robbie

Will Clegg

03-16-2009, 04:56 PM

Robbie, I thought this was a nice film, but I could have done without the voice over and the shot at the end of the little girls disappearing. Both of those elements were just reiterating points that the movie has already made (the other girls is dead, their youth is gone), and I guess I just felt like it would have been stronger without them. As a viewer, I don't need to be told everything, you know?

The photography in the flashbacks was really nice, but it felt a little flat to me in the present day scenes. I did like the way you graded the different bits though. Nice job overall.

rrraven

03-16-2009, 06:47 PM

Nice film! I like how this came out.

I would have liked to see a bit more of a connection that the jar came out of the ground. I understand the ground was frozen solid, but even a heap of soil from the nursery suggesting it had been dug would have been enough. As it was, pawing at the frozen ground with her mittened hand and then having the jar was not convincing.

I liked the fadeout over the bridge at the end. Not sure the swing pushing scene really added much. Maybe those seconds could have been used in some other way. Didn't detract, just didn't really add anything for me.

Score was great, composition of shots was really nice

Sarah Daly

03-17-2009, 11:28 AM

Hey! Very impressed by this - congrats to everyone - a really solid little film that did a good job avoiding the potential for cheesiness. Strong performances and great sound add depth and that score is fantastic! Very glad you didn't use my song in the end - wouldn't have stood up alongside Herman's work at all.

Basically well done - a solid springboard to future successes! Should a springboard be solid? Oh never mind...great job!!!! :)