Goodbye DOF adapters!

[booggerg2]

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2327

With results like this, why would anyone ever use a clunky DOF adapter anymore?

Glad I sold my Letus! 5DMK2 marks the future direction of video cameras..

[Finnegan]

except the 5DKM2 is a still camera.

[Huy Vu]

And it only shoots 30p.

[marlontorres]

and "jello".

[murcott]

Does anyone know what kinda of grip handle that is? Who makes it?

[Joseph Stunzi]

Except that super shallow DOF makes shooting anything that's handheld much more difficult!

[Gymnut808]

Forgetting the lack of onboard audio, aren't the manual controls, when shooting video, somewhat crippled?

[Joseph Stunzi]

you're right. you basically have to manual focus once shooting and you can't adjust aperture while shooting.

[booggerg2]

Okay:

1) Do you hear live audio in this video? Nope.
2) What kind of dip$hit production relies heavily DOF adapters and live audio?
3) Do you see Jello in this video?
4) Is the impact of this video diminished due to 30p?
5) Can you show me another wedding video short edit that shows better image quality than this?

I rest my case.. DOF adapter is DEAD..

To those that complain lack of manual controls or better audio, do you really think the industry will STOP progress with the movie mode from 5D2? Do you really think that future prosumer video cameras will NOT utilize sensor technology from the 5D2?

Keep denying all you want. The future is here and DOF adapters are not invited. Those who can embrace the new reality will be the first ones to take advantage of it.

[Huy Vu]

I rest my case.. DOF adapter is DEAD..



Ridiculous. There is no question that eventually the DOF adapter market would dry up as affordable 35mm sensor camera are introduced, but that time is not now. Until a camera is introduced that has all the features of the professional cameras of today (i.e pro audio, full manual control, handling etc.) it's completely premature to declare anything to be "dead." You can say that it's the beginning of the end, but that end is a long way off. You're still making compromises.

Case in point, when Sony rolled out the FX1 with its HD capability, a ton of people declared the 4:3 SD DVX to be "dead." A few years later, the DVX is still around, just like 35mm adapters will still be around a few years from now.

[Joseph Stunzi]

Does anyone know what kinda of grip handle that is? Who makes it?

The grip is from a company called Ugrip. Google it!

[Joseph Stunzi]

Okay:
2) What kind of dip$hit production relies heavily DOF adapters and live audio?


booggerg2,
I don't think language like that is necessary here. We're a community, a family of users interested in advancing a cinematographers and creatives. We're all allowed to have our own opinions.

To answer your questions though...


Okay:
1) Do you hear live audio in this video? Nope.

Yes you do technically speaking. See 01:10 for an example. However, I'm assuming you're speaking of the wedding montage itself... and you don't. However, I think live audio would've added to the video had it been present.


Okay:
2) What kind of dip$hit production relies heavily DOF adapters and live audio?

Don't weddings and other live events rely heavily on live audio? Aren't wedding vows essentially one of the most important aspects to a wedding video. Why can't a production rely on having DOF? Hundreds of movies are made every year with beautiful bokeh and shallow depth of field. Why wouldn't indie productions want the same thing?



Okay:
3) Do you see Jello in this video?

You don't see Jello in this video because most of the shots are locked off on a tripod. Apparently the Canon 5D Mk II has made improvements over the Nikon D90 on jello-vision... but irregardless, to see jello you really need to see handheld shots.



Okay:
4) Is the impact of this video diminished due to 30p?

No it's not... and there's workarounds for 30p. It's a beautiful video I agree.



Okay:
5) Can you show me another wedding video short edit that shows better image quality than this?

I think all of the videos from StillMotion are great looking... they show shallow DOF, true emotion, live audio, steadicam use, the works. They're all truly works of art!

[J.R. Hudson]

30p is nasty nasty nasty.

Long live 24p.

I don't think decrying 35mm Adapters is any miraculous prediction. It's a matter of ost at most levels and I'm sure in time, we'll all get our interchangeable lens options.

[Finnegan]

4) Is the impact of this video diminished due to 30p?

the impact of the video isn't diminished, but the quality is. I don't know about you, but I can spot something shot at 30p or 60i from across the street with one eye closed. 24p has a much more filmic quality to it than any other mode - that's primarily why most people who do narratives prefer to shoot at that framerate. as someone who does narrative films, I would never, EVER shoot at something aside from 24p unless extraneous circumstances called for a different artistic perspective that could be achieved through using a different framerate.

[Popsiclestand]

the impact of the video isn't diminished, but the quality is. I don't know about you, but I can spot something shot at 30p or 60i from across the street with one eye closed. 24p has a much more filmic quality to it than any other mode - that's primarily why most people who do narratives prefer to shoot at that framerate. as someone who does narrative films, I would never, EVER shoot at something aside from 24p unless extraneous circumstances called for a different artistic perspective that could be achieved through using a different framerate.

This.

Declaring that the DOF adapter is dead is kind of a bold claim. Not everyone uses them for the same ends. Maybe for wedding/event videographers with huge lenses who don't care about film-like looks will throw their DOF adapters away. But I'd like you to find a narrative filmmaker who would choose the extra-sharp look of the 30p video you linked to over some of the stuff dvxusers have posted with their 24p adapter footage.

I don't think there will be many.

[booggerg2]

Don't weddings and other live events rely heavily on live audio? Aren't wedding vows essentially one of the most important aspects to a wedding video. Why can't a production rely on having DOF? Hundreds of movies are made every year with beautiful bokeh and shallow depth of field. Why wouldn't indie productions want the same thing?

Well I was alluding to that, for run n' gun event videography, a camera with shallow DOF like the 5D2 is best suited for the montage music videos like the link I provided above. Something long-form (such as reception speeches) where image continuity and audio content is important, the 5D2 is less suited for. I don't feel a camera+DOF adapter is preffered for those content either. Remember, just because something offers shallow DOF and creamy bokeh doesn't mean it's a good look for everything.. Pulling focus with a telephoto f/1.2 lens will be insanely difficult because even tiny movements will cause the subject to move out of the focus plane. However a telephoto f/1.2 lens can be used to film short snippets of a bride getting ready with gorgeous result.

[Gymnut808]

No one's arguing against the image quality from the 5D MKII, but in it's current state it's inherent limitations are not going to cause everyone to ditch their video cameras and DOF adapters in favor it, and that's because it's first and foremost a still image camera. Is this a sign for things to come? I would certainly like to think that Canon would build upon this with their XH and XL lineup. On a side note, there's no need to act like an A$$.

[marlontorres]

30p is fine if you want your movies to look like soap operas.

[dvpixl]

that video had jello effect. very slight but still present. lie to yourself all you want, the video industry had it's share of 30p and a long history of transferring 60i to 24p.

you can't sell 5d mk ii around here unless you were talking about still photos.

[bronxjragon]

30p is fine if you want your movies to look like soap operas.

maybe porn0 too

[Popsiclestand]

Why DON'T they shoot porn0 in 24p?

[dtzfilms]

How do I start a new post in this thing, man. Joe Newbie here... I just got HPX170 and my mac can't see it... tried everything, shutting down, utilities, start up, mount, unmount

[marlontorres]

motion isnt fluid enough


Why DON'T they shoot porn0 in 24p?

[booggerg2]

motion isnt fluid enough

+1

[dcloud]

why not 60p? oh yeahh slow it doooown

[marlontorres]

didnt realize dvxuser was full of perverts ;)

[bronxjragon]

haha just wanted to lighten up the mood with the porn0 comment, or pRon