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Brandon Rice

10-22-2008, 10:59 PM

ChipG

10-22-2008, 11:03 PM

Yep, I boycotted it for several years because I was tired of hearing about it. One day at Best Buy I finally gave in and bought it on dvd. I'll bet I have watched it 10 times. It is one of my favorite all time movies.

I know the feeling :)

Weston

10-22-2008, 11:05 PM

It is a great film.

Xtopher

10-22-2008, 11:11 PM

The Academy doesn't lie!

I think a lot can be said for Kate Winslet and Leo DiCaprio being so well known for their characters in this film and with this film attaining superstar status. I think the success of this film, as well as its contribution to pop culture sort of belittle the acting abilities of these two actors.

Also, on the note of not taking it as seriously as a film Brandon, I know for me, it was because it was always just sort of a "chick flick" to me, never a brilliant piece of film history.

ChipG

10-22-2008, 11:13 PM

You know, I'm going to watch it again before I go to bed...

Brandon Rice

10-22-2008, 11:15 PM

Xtopher

10-22-2008, 11:19 PM

on a slight side note, I am pretty excited for "Revolutionary Road" the new Sam Mendes film with Winslet and DiCaprio... should be quite good.

Brandon Rice

10-22-2008, 11:32 PM

ANyone know when it's going to come out on Blu-Ray?

Mooose

10-23-2008, 01:49 AM

When it was on the big screen I went to see it twice and loved it. Then a few years later everyone started to slate it. I could never understand why so many people started saying it was rubbish - after all it was the biggest film ever so some of the same people must have gone to see the original showing??

I think its the classic 'big target' - you know - so big that everyone wants to take a shot at bringing it down.

Nektonic

10-23-2008, 02:45 AM

James Cameron is my favorite director, as well as the reason I became interested in film in the first place. And while Titanic will never be as awesome as Aliens, The Terminator, and T2 in my eyes I still agree with you all in saying that Titanic is a great film. Titanic is the kind of film that movie theaters were invented for. We need another epic adventure film like it soon. After all the super hero films and endless Saw sequels I could definitely go for a big bold historical epic = the upcoming Australia anyone?

Australia Trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/australia/

Revolutionary Road looks good too. When I first saw the trailer I got a Mad Men vibe due to the time period. While it seems to share some thematic material, the cinematography looks very different and I'm sure there will be major narrative differences as well. Same Mendes is a very talented director so the film seems to be in good hands.

Back to James Cameron. Who's excited about Avatar?

Richard J. Johnson

10-23-2008, 04:37 AM

Titanic was fantastic.

Batutta

10-23-2008, 06:07 AM

BAH! HUMBUG!....In all seriousness, I understand the appeal of this movie. I personally think it has too many cheap, stock elements (Billy Zane might as well have had a little mustache to twirl) to be a truly great film, and some lame dialogue, but it undeniably works. Leo and Kate have great chemistry and the last hour is pretty gripping. It's kind of like the Star Wars of chick flicks. No way in hell though do I think it deserved to win Best Picture over L.A. Confidential...Sidenote, this was the last film I saw projected in 70mm and wish they hadn't stopped, although IMAX is now making up for that.

TheMacB

10-23-2008, 07:26 AM

No way in hell though do I think it deserved to win Best Picture over L.A. Confidential.
or Boogie Nights which wasn't even nominated.

Jason Miller

10-23-2008, 07:30 AM

BAH! HUMBUG!... No way in hell though do I think it deserved to win Best Picture.

no way in hell should it be called a film, I'd sooner be tied to a chair, have my eye lids stapeled open and forced to watch The Gods must be Crazy part 2, 47 times before i'd agree to watch this thing they call a film agian, (unless it ment getting some play with a cut girl) lol

Mark Harris

10-23-2008, 07:31 AM

Oh B-Man, B-Man, B-Man. Hudson got to you. He got in your head!

Brandon Rice

10-23-2008, 07:38 AM

hehe... :) After sleeping on it... I still feel the same way...

Xtopher

10-23-2008, 08:18 AM

no way in hell should it be called a film, I'd sooner be tied to a chair, have my eye lids stapeled open and forced to watch The Gods must be Crazy part 2, 47 times before i'd agree to watch this thing they call a film agian, (unless it ment getting some play with a cut girl) lol

Ummm, it was shot on film, soooooo.........

David Jimerson

10-23-2008, 08:26 AM

The script is flat, seemingly more designed to take you to every possible part of the ship than to tell a story, some of the dialog is clunky, and DiCaprio is weak in some spots.

But it's a solid film. I saw it twice in the theater and was thoroughly satisfied.

I thought one of the most brilliant shots in the entire thing was when they were shooting off flares, and they pull back to a few miles away. The ship is tiny, you can't hear anything, and you see a flare burst in the sky.

Billy Pilgrim

10-23-2008, 09:50 AM

or Boogie Nights which wasn't even nominated.

Or Jackie Brown. Man, there were a lot of great films out in '97. Oh yeah, and feck Titanic.

thekreative

10-23-2008, 10:10 AM

I blame Celine Dion for the start of the smear campaign,

I blame her for a lot of stuff, Like that noise I hear at Christmas at my inlaws

Brandon Rice

10-23-2008, 10:31 AM

The script is flat, seemingly more designed to take you to every possible part of the ship than to tell a story, some of the dialog is clunky, and DiCaprio is weak in some spots.

I'm sorry I have to say I don't agree with any of that :)

David Jimerson

10-23-2008, 10:39 AM

I'm sorry I have to say I don't agree with any of that :)

You may decide differently after some time and repeated watchings. :beer:

Jim Klatt

10-23-2008, 10:55 AM

The cinematography is great, but that iceberg couldn't come fast enough for me. All of those cheesy lines and setups are so contrived for each situation. You take away the incredible sets and historical looming and you got a stinker.

Michael Anthony Horrigan

10-23-2008, 11:15 AM

Good movie, but I can't watch it over and over again like some of the greats. (i.e. The Godfather)
So in my opinion it shouldn't be looked at as one of the best ever. It is a very good film though.

It also felt a little long in spots and that iceberg should have shown up sooner. :thumbsup:

I also agree with the L.A. Confidential comment. I love that film!

Cheers,

Mike

SPZ

10-24-2008, 07:12 AM

The main problem with Titanic was "My heart will go on". Its a curse to humanity that we'll have hanging around till the end of times...

J.R. Hudson

10-24-2008, 07:28 AM

For the first time tonight I watched Titanic from stem to stern... forgive the pun ;)

I had always kind of said Titanic was overrated etc. having seen bits and pieces here and there...

I think a whole lot differently now... Titanic is my new favorite film of all time... it has everything I ever wanted to see in a movie... it has the epic moments, the tense moments, the sweet moments, the intimate moments, the heart wrenching moments... it's absolutely incredible... the acting, direction, writing, cinematography, editing, music... I could go on and on...

This is the closest I've ever seen to a perfect film...

You all can have your own opinions, but this was one ride of a film that took me along and never stopped...

I just don't know what to do with myself so I had to share :beer:

Awesome Brandon

Titanic is indeed one of my all time favorite films. The love story, the adventure, the drama, the thrills. Truly a masterpeice. I always wonder why people decry the Academy Award winning film.

I found the love story not atall cheesy or contrived. It was way more complex than that with the class struggle (rich vs poor) and the perfomances were awesome from all involved. Billy Zane didn't get a NOD for Best Supporting Actor? Blaspehemy !

The script is flat, seemingly more designed to take you to every possible part of the ship than to tell a story, some of the dialog is clunky, and DiCaprio is weak in some spots.

But it's a solid film. I saw it twice in the theater and was thoroughly satisfied.

I thought one of the most brilliant shots in the entire thing was when they were shooting off flares, and they pull back to a few miles away. The ship is tiny, you can't hear anything, and you see a flare burst in the sky.

The script was flat ?

That would explain the Best Picture and Director win I guess. :huh: :)

My favorite shot/scene is when Kate and Leo are paused on the stern as its inverted and she looks at the Chef and the Poro Girl for a moment before the ship goes down.

Batutta

10-24-2008, 07:35 AM

Billy Zane didn't get a NOD for Best Supporting Actor? Blaspehemy !

Now I seriously question your judgement.

The script was flat ? That would explain the Best Picture and Director win I guess.

There is a reason it was not even nominated for Best Screenplay.

J.R. Hudson

10-24-2008, 07:44 AM

Best Picture Winners: Not Nominated for Best Screenplay Award

Wings (1927/28)
The Broadway Melody (1928/29)
Grand Hotel (1931/32)
Calvacade (1932/33)
Hamlet (1948)
The Sound Of Music (1965) (http://www.filmsite.org/soun.html)
Titanic (1997)
Best Picture Winners: Did Not Win Either a Best Screenplay Award or Best Director Award

Wings (1927/28)
The Broadway Melody (1928/29)
Grand Hotel (1931/32) (http://www.filmsite.org/gran.html)
Mutiny on the Bounty (1935) (http://www.filmsite.org/muti.html)
The Great Ziegfeld (1936)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/rebec.html) Rebecca (1940) (http://www.filmsite.org/rebec.html)
Hamlet (1948)
All the King's Men (1949) (http://www.filmsite.org/allt.html)
Gladiator (2000)
Chicago (2002)
Best Picture Winners: Won a Best Screenplay Award, But Did Not Win Best Director

Cimarron (1930/31)
The Life of Emile Zola (1937)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif An American in Paris (1951) (http://www.filmsite.org/amer.html)
The Greatest Show on Earth (1952)
Around the World in 80 Days (1956)
In the Heat of the Night (1967) (http://www.filmsite.org/inth.html)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/godf.html) The Godfather (1972) (http://www.filmsite.org/godf.html)
Chariots of Fire (1981)
Driving Miss Daisy (1989)
Shakespeare in Love (1998)
Crash (2005)
Best Picture Winners: Won Best Director, But Did Not Win a Best Screenplay Award

http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/allq.html) All Quiet on the Western Front (1929/30) (http://www.filmsite.org/allq.html)
Cavalcade (1932/33)
You Can't Take it With You (1938)
How Green Was My Valley (1941) (http://www.filmsite.org/howg.html)
Gentleman's Agreement (1947)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/benh.html) Ben-Hur (1959) (http://www.filmsite.org/benh.html)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/wests.html) West Side Story (1961) (http://www.filmsite.org/wests.html)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/lawr.html) Lawrence of Arabia (1962) (http://www.filmsite.org/lawr.html)
My Fair Lady (1964) (http://www.filmsite.org/myfa.html)
The Sound of Music (1965) (http://www.filmsite.org/soun.html)
Oliver! (1968)
Rocky (1976) (http://www.filmsite.org/rock.html)
The Deer Hunter (1978) (http://www.filmsite.org/deer.html)
Platoon (1986)
Unforgiven (1992) (http://www.filmsite.org/unfo.html)
Braveheart (1995)
The English Patient (1996)
Titanic (1997)
Million Dollar Baby (2004)
http://redsoxchick.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/79d7fc1d8c930a952780d866ee28c5b3-getty-80332183og011.jpg

Batutta

10-24-2008, 07:53 AM

Hey, man, I love me some Star Wars, but I ain't gonna lie and say that first one isn't full of some pretty stilted dialogue. A lot of the plot points in Titanic were already moldy somewhere around the silent era.

David Jimerson

10-24-2008, 09:31 AM

Best Picture Winners: Not Nominated for Best Screenplay Award

Wings (1927/28)
The Broadway Melody (1928/29)
Grand Hotel (1931/32)
Calvacade (1932/33)
Hamlet (1948)
The Sound Of Music (1965) (http://www.filmsite.org/soun.html)
Titanic (1997)

Best Picture Winners: Did Not Win Either a Best Screenplay Award or Best Director Award

Wings (1927/28)
The Broadway Melody (1928/29)
Grand Hotel (1931/32) (http://www.filmsite.org/gran.html)
Mutiny on the Bounty (1935) (http://www.filmsite.org/muti.html)
The Great Ziegfeld (1936)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/rebec.html) Rebecca (1940) (http://www.filmsite.org/rebec.html)
Hamlet (1948)
All the King's Men (1949) (http://www.filmsite.org/allt.html)
Gladiator (2000)
Chicago (2002)

Best Picture Winners: Won a Best Screenplay Award, But Did Not Win Best Director

Cimarron (1930/31)
The Life of Emile Zola (1937)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif An American in Paris (1951) (http://www.filmsite.org/amer.html)
The Greatest Show on Earth (1952)
Around the World in 80 Days (1956)
In the Heat of the Night (1967) (http://www.filmsite.org/inth.html)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/godf.html) The Godfather (1972) (http://www.filmsite.org/godf.html)
Chariots of Fire (1981)
Driving Miss Daisy (1989)
Shakespeare in Love (1998)
Crash (2005)

Best Picture Winners: Won Best Director, But Did Not Win a Best Screenplay Award

http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/allq.html) All Quiet on the Western Front (1929/30) (http://www.filmsite.org/allq.html)
Cavalcade (1932/33)
You Can't Take it With You (1938)
How Green Was My Valley (1941) (http://www.filmsite.org/howg.html)
Gentleman's Agreement (1947)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/benh.html) Ben-Hur (1959) (http://www.filmsite.org/benh.html)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/wests.html) West Side Story (1961) (http://www.filmsite.org/wests.html)
http://www.filmsite.org/redstar.gif (http://www.filmsite.org/lawr.html) Lawrence of Arabia (1962) (http://www.filmsite.org/lawr.html)
My Fair Lady (1964) (http://www.filmsite.org/myfa.html)
The Sound of Music (1965) (http://www.filmsite.org/soun.html)
Oliver! (1968)
Rocky (1976) (http://www.filmsite.org/rock.html)
The Deer Hunter (1978) (http://www.filmsite.org/deer.html)
Platoon (1986)
Unforgiven (1992) (http://www.filmsite.org/unfo.html)
Braveheart (1995)
The English Patient (1996)
Titanic (1997)
Million Dollar Baby (2004)

http://redsoxchick.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/79d7fc1d8c930a952780d866ee28c5b3-getty-80332183og011.jpg

I don't get what this proves.

Batutta

10-24-2008, 09:34 AM

I don't get what this proves.

That JR is a dreadlocked Dominican.

J.R. Hudson

10-24-2008, 01:14 PM

Brandon Rice

10-24-2008, 02:29 PM

HA HA... go yard! J.R. you rock.

Love the movie... I'm obsessed now lol

Batutta

10-24-2008, 03:31 PM

It's not meant to prove anything.

It's meant to suggest that a picture NOT winning BS does not by fiat, make it flat.

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My opinion is saying the script was flat but still winning BP and BD doesn't hold a lot of weight beyond subjectivity.

Manny was me going yard on both of you.

The script is still shoddy and cliche ridden. The film has many pleasures, but the screenplay is not one of them for me.

David Jimerson

10-24-2008, 04:14 PM

I don't think it's a strong script. But then, I also don't care, because all I wanted was to see the boat recreated in all its glory and then watch it sink in spectacular fashion -- and that, I got.

It's tremendous eye candy, but it ain't literature.

ChipG

10-25-2008, 01:30 AM

Anyone here have a better script that they can produce right now (or ever)?

I really liked the story... All time top 10 favorite movies!

ChrisHurn

10-25-2008, 05:44 AM

Ah, Titanic. It's great. About this script business...Okay, so it's not the greatest piece of literature out, but I don't care - it's still a hell of a lot better than a lot of the films I've been watching/reading. I like it the way it is. It's a great film, what an epic...It's got a lot of appeal. It's an adventure...you connect with the characters, you want to know what's going to happen, even though you already know whats going to happen...and it's still good. I find some moments in the film pretty haunting, last time I watched it, it stuck with me for quite a while. I can't say the same about too many films. So I'd say that's some pretty fine work.

And come on! James Horners legendary theme that everyone thinks Celine Dion wrote...Wahoo!:beer:

Jim Klatt

10-25-2008, 08:47 AM

James Horner's theme? I thought Celine Dion wrote a song and James Cameron just made a really long, expensive music video? I thought there was about as much weight to the dialogue as that old Paula Abdul music video "Rush, Rush".

David Jimerson

10-25-2008, 01:37 PM

Anyone here have a better script that they can produce right now (or ever)?!

If we don't, does that automatically mean the script was good?

J.R. Hudson

10-25-2008, 01:40 PM

Shitty script

Best Picture and Director.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

This goes back to the WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE SEEN element ? What story ? What would have made it so much better in your eyes ?

I found the dialogue and story to be classic Cameron style.

Brandon Rice

10-25-2008, 01:41 PM

I'm watching the Director's Commentary right now... it's great stuff.

karapetkov

10-25-2008, 01:47 PM

Titanic is a great film, but I like LA Confidential better. It's a nearly flawless movie, in my book.

ChipG

10-25-2008, 01:47 PM

If we don't, does that automatically mean the script was good?

Of course not :)

The script is good!

David Jimerson

10-25-2008, 02:03 PM

This goes back to the WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE SEEN element ? What story ? What would have made it so much better in your eyes ?

Less-cliche' characters and less hackneyed dialog.

But for about the 900th time (:)), I don't care. I got what I wanted from the movie, even if the script wasn't great.

Brandon Rice

10-25-2008, 02:06 PM

LOL... great quote from Cameron's DC.

"I didn't want to show the difference between the time periods, I wanted to show the similarities"

Great great point... and why the film resonated in a big way.

Michael Anthony Horrigan

10-25-2008, 02:12 PM

Titanic is a great film, but I like LA Confidential better. It's a nearly flawless movie, in my book.
I agree with this completely! Every word.

Two great films.
I just happen to like LA Confidential a little more. :thumbup:

Jason Ramsey

10-25-2008, 02:15 PM

It's been a lonnnng time since I've seen this, but my lasting memories were that Leo seemed like he was from the 1990's in his style and delivery. And, I hated the fake cg people walking around on the ship....

It wasn't a bad movie....the 2nd half was much better than the 1st.

Those are my memories anyways. :)

Later,
Jason

Batutta

10-25-2008, 05:00 PM

I found the dialogue and story to be classic Cameron style.

Exactly the problem! Gale Anne Hurd has always derided Cameron for his "truck-driver" dialogue. His best scripts are the ones she helped him shape a bit (Terminator, Aliens).

Brandon Rice

10-25-2008, 05:59 PM

Very interesting that the script was passed through 5 different dialog historians regarding the way they talked... you have to remember that even though the style of the victorian era was still there in 1912, the way they talked wasn't that way at all... they did their homework.

EDIT:

Watching it still... and amazing to know that the first time they kiss (the FLYING scene) was done on the first take without rehearsal... wow.

J.R. Hudson

10-25-2008, 06:31 PM

Exactly the problem! Gale Anne Hurd has always derided Cameron for his "truck-driver" dialogue. His best scripts are the ones she helped him shape a bit (Terminator, Aliens).

Fair enough. I can;t argue that but do enjoy his style

What if QT wrtoe it ? LMAO

Very interesting that the script was passed through 5 different dialog historians regarding the way they talked... you have to remember that even though the style of the victorian era was still there in 1912, the way they talked wasn't that way at all... they did their homework.

EDIT:

Watching it still... and amazing to know that the first time they kiss (the FLYING scene) was done on the first take without rehearsal... wow.

I didnt know this; tks Brice

Brandon Rice

10-25-2008, 06:39 PM

Yeah, if you haven't ever watched the Director's Commentary J.R. it's well worth it.

J.R. Hudson

10-25-2008, 06:51 PM

Im gonna do this

I have the SE and never took the time

The ALIENS one is great (the commentary)

Brandon Rice

10-25-2008, 06:55 PM

Cool yeah... I just went out and bought the 10th anniversay 2 disc version... I want a blu-ray though! :)

ChipG

10-28-2008, 12:33 AM

All the sales for Titanic.

Domestic & Foreign B.O $1,848,813,795
Rentals $324,425,000
US TV Rights $55,000,000
Worldwide video & Dvd Sales $1,200,000,000

For a total of..... Damn, my calculator won't go to that many digits but it over $2 BILLION!

ChipG

10-28-2008, 12:38 AM

And there is more to come with future blue ray sales.

karapetkov

10-28-2008, 09:03 AM

I agree with this completely! Every word.

Two great films.
I just happen to like LA Confidential a little more. :thumbup:

When I watch L.A. Confidential I am really humbled by the level of mastery these filmmakers show.

Script, direction, photography, acting, music, editing... top level achievements throughout.

dvxhutch

10-29-2008, 06:42 PM

Best Picture Winners: Not Nominated for Best Screenplay Award

Wings (1927/28)
The Broadway Melody (1928/29)
Grand Hotel (1931/32)
Calvacade (1932/33)
Hamlet (1948)
The Sound Of Music (1965) (http://www.filmsite.org/soun.html)
Titanic (1997)

7 out of 80 ceremonies isn't saying much at all. Funnily enough, you didn't mention REAL critical awards, such as the New York Film Critics Circle, or the LA Film Critics Awards, etc, etc,. How did TITANIC fare there? One piddly production design award, whereas LA CONFIDENTIAL, a REAL movie, swept both awards ceremonies.

AMERICAN BEAUTY swept both the Oscars and the LA and NY film critics awards. That's because it's a GREAT movie. The Acadeny Awards are determined by politics and popular opinion, more so than just the quality of the films. eg. FORREST GUMP, SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE.

It's worth pointing out that unlike most blockbuster films, TITANIC didn't have a massive opening weekend, but just kept on keeping on for MONTHS with consistent B.O. takings. Research showed that the majority of the audience were teenage schoolgirls, who kept going back to have a good cry.

Which is what JR is doing now!:happy: :violent5:

J.R. Hudson

10-30-2008, 03:04 AM

REAL critical awards

Real awards ?

Yeah, those Academy Awards .... They're kind of played out ....

What ?

The film has a laundry list of awards

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120338/awards

J.R. is what ? winking and flame throwing the computer ? Huh ?

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LA CONF and AMERICAN BEAUTY are awesome films. Not sure your point ?

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Titanic openined with $28,638,131 in 3 days ... That's 'not a good weekend ?

It had $88,425,009 in 2 weeks in 2700 theatres.

Get your facts straight.

I love AB and LAC and Titanic but your running smack thag isn't holding up ..

Kubrick71

10-30-2008, 04:26 AM

7 out of 80 ceremonies isn't saying much at all. Funnily enough, you didn't mention REAL critical awards, such as the New York Film Critics Circle, or the LA Film Critics Awards, etc, etc,. How did TITANIC fare there? One piddly production design award, whereas LA CONFIDENTIAL, a REAL movie, swept both awards ceremonies.

AMERICAN BEAUTY swept both the Oscars and the LA and NY film critics awards. That's because it's a GREAT movie. The Acadeny Awards are determined by politics and popular opinion, more so than just the quality of the films. eg. FORREST GUMP, SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE.

It's worth pointing out that unlike most blockbuster films, TITANIC didn't have a massive opening weekend, but just kept on keeping on for MONTHS with consistent B.O. takings. Research showed that the majority of the audience were teenage schoolgirls, who kept going back to have a good cry.

Which is what JR is doing now!:happy: :violent5:

I'd say all awards now have some amount of politics involved so trying to pull that card on the Oscars is pretty pointless, and I don't always agree with the Academy, who does right?

I think you're out on a limb to think that LAC is "REAL" movie and Titanic is not just because it won other awards along with the Oscars. I'm not too into Titanic but I love AM and LAC, I think everyone can agree they are all great films.

If you want to go into the real differences that may separate AM and LAC from Titanic I think you're better off using actual film analysis, but that will take more work and be more difficult. In my opinion to adequately address that issue you would need to write an essay.

Gohanto

11-01-2008, 10:44 PM

Just to bring another aspect of the script to light a lot of people don't notice, I highly suggest you check this out which covers a lot of themes the film has on very subtle levels...

http://www.angelfire.com/ga/wkb/beyondtime.html

I gained a lot of respect for the film after reading this and it's certainly interesting to read just as a filmmaker learning to put subtleties into films without slapping the audience across the face with them.

I'm certainly in the camp of loving this film and because no one else has seemed to mention it, James Cameron's DVD commentary is one of the best ever recorded from a filmmaker's POV. The purpose of certain shots, the challenges faced during production, ideas in the music, and other things.

And if any of you read Maddox, you'll appreciate this last bit...
"You realize that if 10 million people saw the movie once, each wasting 3 hours of their lives, that 30 million hours have been wasted, and that if each person lived an average of 70 years, 3,424 years, or 49 lives will have been wasted watching the Titanic. James Cameron has effectively murdered 49 people. (Not necessarily a reason to cry, but it is to a sap that saw Titanic in the first place)."

ChipG

11-02-2008, 01:50 AM

Damn! Just did the numbers on my computer and TITANIC is at a little over $2.4 BILLION total sales so far...

Ted Spencer

11-03-2008, 09:36 AM

ChipG

11-03-2008, 09:48 AM

Duhho,

Didn't notice I hit the #2 key and not the 3... Thanks!

Ted Spencer

11-03-2008, 09:49 AM

Titanic is one of my all time faves too. Saw it in the theater and had not one moment of boredom for the entire 3 hours. I'm almost never that consistently entertained by any movie, regardless of length. Many films I rent get ejected and sent back after 15 minutes. Many others get watched in 15-30 minute installments. I've watched Titanic about 5 times. It's on my iPhone too...

A friend gave me the the 3-DVD boxed set a while back. I watched everything on it. Fantastic stuff.

When the film came out I recall DiCaprio being widely disssed as a "pretty boy", lightweight actor. I didn't agree at all - I thought his performance was outstanding. His career since has pretty much proven me right, if I may say so. Just because you're a blonde heartthrob doesn't make you a bad actor.

As for Celine Dion...well...there's a successful career I pretty much can't explain. And the song, particularly her performance of it, drives me up the wall. I like to say that she brings all the emotional depth and honesty to it that anyone could possibly fake...

J.R. Hudson

11-03-2008, 10:14 AM

Titanic for me was everything a movie should be

I am a sucker for a love story a forbidden star crossed one is even better. The class struggle, every character was perfect

Zane was a such a dick, but the fun kind you love to hate

The mother was a betch, but engaging

THE ships Captain, Builder and Financier all had great lines and roles

Leo is a one of the finer talents working, the and now.

It was a perfect blend of total drama, with some comedic moments ala Cameron style and then they hit the berg and it's a roller coaster for the next 1.5 hours.

Also, a historical piece is always fun.

What's not to like ?