View Full Version : HMC150 Wobble Fix
carbon3c
10-21-2008, 02:40 PM
Does anyone know if the HMC150 is getting the same fix as the HPX170?
Dan
Edweirdo
10-21-2008, 02:51 PM
unless your image shifts when manual focusing- I would imagine no. This seems to be limited to 170 models.
Zoom in full telephoto
swicth to manual focus
focus back an forth
check your LCD and see if the frame "jumps" around
If its the gap you're speaking of, all panny models have this. They have a small ammount of play so if you smack your lens into something it wont screw up the internals.
Chenopup
10-21-2008, 02:51 PM
I don't believe the 150 exhibits the 170 wobble issue.
The rental house here locally has a 150 and the lens is fine.
Is this lens breathing you guys are talking about? - some fujinon lens exhibit this too so I'm used to seeing it ;)
carbon3c
10-21-2008, 06:21 PM
I don't own one yet. I was hoping the issue would be resolved first. I had read posts from people experiencing wobble on the HMC150, but it must not be as severe as the HPX170. Panasonic is fixing existing 170 cameras and modifying future 170 cameras. I was just wondering if they were doing the same to the HMC150. I guess not, if the problem isn't as bad. I would like to get an HMC150 eventually.
matt s.
10-21-2008, 08:26 PM
havent noticed anything with mine.
ilauzirika
10-21-2008, 10:27 PM
Mine doesn't have it.
Thomas Lew
10-22-2008, 06:56 AM
Can somebody explain what exactly the "wobble" is?
carbon3c
10-22-2008, 08:21 AM
Here's a video showing the problem on the HPX170: http://vimeo.com/1873268
And a thread discussing the problem here: http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=148822
It sounds like the HMC150 might not have the problem to the same extent as the 170.
Wow that video is pretty scary!!
ChrisPrine
10-22-2008, 01:58 PM
I thought this wasn't a problem at all...? Might have been in the giant 150 thread. Normal like the clunk.
ilauzirika
10-22-2008, 02:23 PM
I thought this wasn't a problem at all...? Might have been in the giant 150 thread. Normal like the clunk.
It isn't a problem at all in the 150.
Hidef1080
10-23-2008, 02:16 AM
As I understand it if you leave the OIS on while using a tripod you may see some image movemment.
I tested my camera and the lens did not "flex" too much and my images never moved when I manual focused with the OIS turned off.
I think this is more of a 170 issue...
Spec-Comm
11-07-2008, 06:14 AM
This issue has been fixed by Panasonic and we have the corrected models in stock.
Andrew Hoffman
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ZazaCast
11-07-2008, 06:38 AM
This issue has been fixed by Panasonic and we have the corrected models in stock.
Andrew Hoffman
Vice President
Specialized Communications Corp.
20940 Twin Springs Dr.
Smithsburg, MD 21783-1510 USA
800-359-1858 (US)
301-790-0103
Fax: 301-790-0173
andrewh@spec-comm.com
www.spec-comm.com (http://www.spec-comm.com)
Please visit our new online store at ( http://www.spec-comm.com/store ). New products being added daily!
Just to be clear...was there even an issue with the 150? and has it been fixed? ...or are you refering to the 170?
Spec-Comm
11-07-2008, 07:23 AM
There was an issue with both the 150 and the 170. It has been fixed and we have fresh stock with the fix already done.
Andrew Hoffman
Edweirdo
11-07-2008, 07:54 AM
There was an issue with both the 150 and the 170. It has been fixed and we have fresh stock with the fix already done.
Andrew Hoffman
Andrew- this is the first we have heard of an issue w/ the 150 (at least on DVXuser). Before you get alot of HMC users all stressed out- has this been confirmed by Panasonic?
I thought this was exclusive to the 170 so I have not tested my camera for this. The only thing Panasonic has confirmed on the 150 is re: the shock mount design which is not supposed to be "an issue". Are you saying the 150 has the image shift during manual focus like on the 170?
Ed
Everts
11-07-2008, 08:56 AM
Darnet , First there was not an issue now there is one with the hmc 150. In another thread , Rob Meyers from Australia, Panasonic ,says that the AUstralian version is getting a mod.
My camera is already underway .Ordered it 2 weeks ago from B&H.
Im in South America so gettin it back to US and home again is going to cost me .
I have paid hard earned money Panasonic, like others here. You would expect that this day in age,big companies would test their products before they give the Ok the start production.
Keeping my fingers crossed that mine doesn't have the issue are "non- issue" as others have called it.
But I have to say nobody that has posted footage of the hmc 150 reported there to be a lens wobble issue with the 150.
I'll have to wait and see when I get mine :(
Edweirdo
11-07-2008, 09:25 AM
I have paid hard earned money Panasonic, like others here. You would expect that this day in age,big companies would test their products before they give the Ok the start production.
:(
slow down there :) most HMC users here have not found any issues. I would wait to hear some response by Jan C. or Barry before getting nervous. I myself will test when I get home.
Ed
ilauzirika
11-07-2008, 11:31 AM
Mine doesn't have it...
Spec-Comm
11-07-2008, 01:27 PM
Most HMC150 users never noticed an issue but Panasonic put the same fix as the 170 in just to make sure that the 150's are covered. Please don't panic! I was just mentioning that we have the new stock in just incase someone wanted to know if it was the old or the new. If you aren't experiencing a problem with you camera, then your alright.
Andrew Hoffman
Considering the 170 & 150 seem to share the same chassis design it is not that much of a surprise that they both have the "wobble".
The way I see it is that the wobble was first identified in the 170 and is now being rectified. As the 150 is a newer cam the mod is being performed on it prior to delivery, hence why all of the units that have already shipped to end users are not exhibiting the lens wobble, so I wouldn't be too worried about this as it is being rectified :)
Edweirdo
11-07-2008, 02:20 PM
"never noticed" does'nt mean that it does'nt exist in the 150- if you dont set up the scenario that displays the condition. Like I said before, most of us 150 owners kept an eye on the 170 forum to see how this "issue" panned out. Many, including me, read that it was not related to the HMC model and purchased one- thinking there would be no problem.
Therefore many havent even looked for it in the 150. There should be a sticky somewhere explaining Pana's view in: what is not an issue "shockmount", what is an issue "image wobble", what model shows what, how to look for it, and what to do if you have the issue. Or perhaps a press release on the AVCCAM and/or P2 Pana websites. Otherwise you have to dig through hundereds of posts of mis-information to find Jan's responses.
Spec-Comm
11-07-2008, 02:35 PM
What I mean by "Never Noticed" is that the HMC150 cameras weren't affected by the wobble as much as the 170 cameras but since the chassis is so similar, Panasonic decided to update those as well to keep things standard. If you like, you can give me a call and we can discuss further. :)
Andrew Hoffman
Vice President
Specialized Communications Corp.
20940 Twin Springs Dr.
Smithsburg, MD 21783-1510 USA
800-359-1858 (US)
301-790-0103
Fax: 301-790-0173
andrewh@spec-comm.com
www.spec-comm.com
Please visit our new online store at ( http://www.spec-comm.com/store ). New products being added daily!
Edweirdo
11-07-2008, 03:13 PM
Not to be combative, but I feel- what current HMC150 (and potential) owners want to hear from is the manufacturer. That's why we choose Panasonic and visit these forums: unlike Sony, they themselves respond to customers concerns.
I think it's only fair that if Pana is shipping new 150s with a strengthened lens mount (to match the 170) current owners of the 150 would want this update as well. This sounds like a preventative measure to make sure that future 150s won't develop the same issue over time. Perhaps if a current 150 shows no issue, but you still wanted the update that the new models get, you pay for shipping.
EDIT: just checked my camera and it appears there is no image shift, and the lens mount gap seems normal. This was a recheck as I had did this when I first got it. Just putting my mind at ease. I still think a sticky detailing what the issue is and is not would help future buyers.