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ilauzirika
10-11-2008, 04:48 PM
Hi all,

Any interesting scene file that you want to share?

I have yet to learn all the different image tweaking settings so having others settings would be great.

Thanks to you all.

jeff9329
10-13-2008, 08:15 AM
Hi all,

Any interesting scene file that you want to share?

I have yet to learn all the different image tweaking settings so having others settings would be great.

Thanks to you all.

Im interested in some good scene files too.

So far I have used a toned down version of the F3 spark scene file with good results. I will post the settings later.

I am looking for a colorful, sharp image with moderate contrast. It seems the whites/highlights are blown out and there is too much contrast with the factory scene files. The saturation is also a little too high, greens a little too hot. I edited the factory F3 scene file to improve this.

shrigg
10-13-2008, 08:35 AM
Im interested in some good scene files too.

So far I have used a toned down version of the F3 spark scene file with good results. I will post the settings later.

I am looking for a colorful, sharp image with moderate contrast. It seems the whites/highlights are blown out and there is too much contrast with the factory scene files. The saturation is also a little too high, greens a little too hot. I edited the factory F3 scene file to improve this.

Barry Green posted a sweetened HMC150 scene file somewhere around here (can't find it right now). I just got done shooting over 2 hours of 1080p24 footage with Barry's scene file in a wide variety of lighting conditions and it is stunning. I did tone it down to Cine-D instead of Cine-V, especially since I was shooting very contrasty stage performances among other things. Also shot some ballet dancers at 720p60 which look amazing at 24p. Fluid grace!!

Actually I was shooting an EX1 at the same time and aside from the EX1's FAR FAR superior LCD and f1.9 lens (all the way through) there was NO appreciable difference in light sensitivity. I haven't viewed the EX1's footage on a HD monitor since the EX1+footage stayed with the client, so admittedly I don't have a 100% accurate assesment. Unfortunately I can't post any footage or even screen grabs because it was work for hire... but the HMC150 held up VERY well in extremely dark conditions! :thumbup:

ilauzirika
10-13-2008, 09:32 AM
Darren, could you copy paste the txt file here? that would be really apreciated.


Thanks in advance.

johnnyha
10-13-2008, 09:55 AM
I shot some footage in Scene file 6 (Cinelike D) with Master Ped all the way down to -50, in twilight, that looked GREAT... but other footage with the Master Ped at -50 had really "bleedy" shadows. I'm shooting at -20 Master Ped now and it's holding the shadows better.

This camera handles the pitch blacks exceptionally well.

MikeGunter
10-13-2008, 11:01 AM
Hi all,

Are the HMC150, HVX200, and HVP170 scene files all interchangeable?

In the HMC150 , like the HVX200, you can save 4 settings for each position on the knob?

ilauzirika
10-13-2008, 11:46 AM
Mike,
I tried with a hvx file but they aren't the same.
I don't know if the hpx's are.

MikeGunter
10-13-2008, 12:27 PM
Mike,
I tried with a hvx file but they aren't the same.
I don't know if the hpx's are.

:(

:dankk2:

I wonder if it has to do with the CODEC? Could you post an AVCHD Scene? It's going to be a while until I can get an HMC150 (I think).

ilauzirika
10-13-2008, 01:57 PM
Here you are, this is what the text file looks like


Ver 1.00-00
AG-HMC151E
SYSTEM FREQ:50Hz
TITLE:TITLE002
<F1>
SCENE NAME:WARHCO ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 13 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 118 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 6 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 3 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F2>
SCENE NAME:SINCON ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 10 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 12 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 150 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 0 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 2 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F3>
SCENE NAME:SPARK ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 11 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 9 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 12 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 126 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 4 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 0 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F4>
SCENE NAME:B-STR ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 11 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 128 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 3 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 0 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F5>
SCENE NAME:CINE V ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 6 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 126 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 9 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 6 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 3 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F6>
SCENE NAME:CINE D ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 8 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 126 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 7 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 5 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 3 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN

mcsmooth
10-13-2008, 03:09 PM
I wonder if it has to do with the CODEC? Could you post an AVCHD Scene? It's going to be a while until I can get an HMC150 (I think).
I've read that other cameras like HPX500 can't read 200 files either, I don't think it has anything to do with the codec. This would be purposely since often there are settings that do not translate or have different values. They COULD have written the firmware to read other model camera's files and convert them, but really there are only a few settings, so manually entering isn't too bad... always had to do that with the DVX. I would guess that the screen values of the DVX and HVX would roughly translate over.

One thing to note from the file above is that it is a PAL camera. The camera checks the model number and frequency when loading. An NTSC camera cannot load a PAL file as is, and unfortunately trying to do so will not give it a 50hz mode. You should be able to make it compatible by changing the first 3 lines to match a file from your camera. For North America:

Ver 1.00-00
AG-HMC150P
SYSTEM FREQ:59.94Hz

There is a good chance that syncro setting is for PAL too, so you will probably want to change that as well. I believe 702 is the default for AG-HMC150P.

Looking forward to see more...

MikeGunter
10-13-2008, 03:49 PM
Thanks Iņaki and McSmooth,

Well, what I did was remove the first three lines of the scene file and put the first three lines of my HVX200's file in their place and the same withe the Syncro-Scan file line, worked like a Champ. I got the same Title file names and each of the specifications per group.

It looks like an fairly easy way to share settings.

Thanks.

shrigg
10-13-2008, 06:35 PM
Could you post an AVCHD Scene?

Here are the settings I used: (Barry originally suggested CINE-LIKE D but went with the less-contrasty CINE-LIKE V)

DETAIL LEVEL: +2
V DETAIL LEVEL: +2
DETAIL CORING: +1
CHROMA LEVEL: +2
GAMMA: CINE-LIKE V
MATRIX: CINE-LIKE

matt s.
10-13-2008, 07:19 PM
CINE V is for more contrast

CINE D is for more latitude or "Dynamic Range"

shrigg
10-13-2008, 09:26 PM
CINE V is for more contrast

CINE D is for more latitude or "Dynamic Range"

Yeah, guess I had that backwards. As the manual clearly states on p. 87:


CINE-LIKE D: Uses a gamma designed to create cinema-like images.
CINE-LIKE V: Uses a gamma designed to create cinema-like images with emphasized contrast.

But I shot everything on the V setting and it didn't look too contrasty to me. Actually I'm kinda glad I got it "wrong" because others are complaining about noisy shadows when using CINE-LIKE D.

Can anyone share any experiences with both?

MikeGunter
10-14-2008, 06:52 AM
Iņaki and Darren and McSmooth thanks so much.

What I'd like to do over the next few days is collect some sample footage of some scenes and post them with the text files to share so they could be edited for use with any of the family of cameras in either PAL/NTSC and from any of the types (assuming that is possible - a big tip of the hat to McSmooth).

Fortunately, I do have a life, so don't know how much time I can devote to it over the next few days.:beer:

BTW, does anyone have the AVCHD to DVCPro Version 1.0 converter? I have 1.2, and 2.0, but not 1.0.

Boomerang
10-14-2008, 06:57 AM
So for low light is cine-D or cine-V better at handling noise?

matt s.
10-14-2008, 06:58 AM
Will have my 150 tomorrow will do some different settings tests. I usually kept my DVX in Cine-D.

matt s.
10-14-2008, 07:02 AM
Cine D will bring up some shadow detail in low light but if you have a good range of exposure thru out the scene from a bright highlight to dark shadows then the noise shouldnt be much of a problem. if you have say a single light source lighting a face and the background is all dark then Cine V may be best.Again im talking about my DVX100a which is kinda noisy to begin with.
Coming from the DVX the 150 blows it away in the noise area from the videos i have seen on here so far. Cant wait to get shooting with the 150 and do some tests.

johnnyha
10-14-2008, 09:05 AM
I got a little noise in the Cine D setting over the Cine V. As for the shadow noise it's weird - as far as I can tell, it's shadows with some light hitting from another source that are causing some "noise" - when I look at these actual shadows with my own eyes in real life they look kinda "noisy".

shrigg
10-14-2008, 11:55 AM
Well I'm all for getting the cleanest image possible... I'll be staying with CINE-V as my "standard" setting. I will try some experimentation shooting 720p60 in CINE-V along with some DRS (once I figure out how to turn on DRS, lol)

ilauzirika
10-14-2008, 01:35 PM
(once I figure out how to turn on DRS, lol)


it's in the scene file settings in the same page as gamma.

shrigg
10-14-2008, 04:24 PM
it's in the scene file settings in the same page as gamma.

Yeah but it's grayed out even in 720p60.... Not sure what gives.

ScottInVegas
10-14-2008, 05:46 PM
Yeah but it's grayed out even in 720p60.... Not sure what gives.

Darren, In this maze of posts, somewhere, Barry noted that DRS is only available at *some* res/frame rates. I do not remember specifically, but I know 720 was not one of them. I think it was 1080i, which pissed a lot of folks off.

shrigg
10-14-2008, 10:18 PM
Darren, In this maze of posts, somewhere, Barry noted that DRS is only available at *some* res/frame rates. I do not remember specifically, but I know 720 was not one of them. I think it was 1080i, which pissed a lot of folks off.

I'll try that, thanks!

ilauzirika
10-14-2008, 10:46 PM
No no, I have the camera in 720 50p (I also tried it in 720 60p) mode and I get it. Try using cine-like gamma and DRS should become available.

shrigg
10-15-2008, 06:48 AM
No no, I have the camera in 720 50p (I also tried it in 720 60p) mode and I get it. Try using cine-like gamma and DRS should become available.

That's what I'm using, 720p60 and the above Scene file settings on Scene File #1. DRS still grayed out...

manglerBMX
10-15-2008, 07:49 AM
drs is only available in 1080 60i i do believe?

shrigg
10-15-2008, 08:41 AM
drs is only available in 1080 60i i do believe?

I got DRS to work in both 1080i60 and 720p60 by changing the scene file off scene file #1. Strange...

So it'll work in either of the "60" framerates. Pretty easy to remember.

MikeGunter
10-15-2008, 10:57 AM
Hello everyone,

I've had a chance to read both the HMC150 and HVC200 user guides and my Scene files from my camera (the 200). The actual capabilies are far more different than I though. From what Iņaki posted, my camera picked up most of the settings (it will apparently get the shared settings and it seemed to ignore the ones it didn't understand).

I don't know if a HVX200A or a HPV170 will have the same scene settings as a HMC150 or not - likely not. Too bad.

In future upgrades of cameras this cries to be a firmware update.

Well, a good idea anyway.

Barry_Green
10-15-2008, 12:26 PM
I don't know if a HVX200A or a HPV170 will have the same scene settings as a HMC150 or not - likely not. Too bad.
The HMC150 and HPX170 have almost identical scene settings. The only real difference is that the 170 has a "frame rate" option and a "operation type" option.

The 170/150 have the same basic scene settings as the 200A, but with more range in the master pedestal and autoiris settings.

shrigg
10-15-2008, 12:59 PM
The HMC150 and HPX170 have almost identical scene settings. The only real difference is that the 170 has a "frame rate" option and a "operation type" option.

The 170/150 have the same basic scene settings as the 200A, but with more range in the master pedestal and autoiris settings.

EXCELLENT clarification as usual Barry, for all our inquiring minds........ :thumbup:

MikeGunter
10-15-2008, 01:19 PM
Thanks, Barry. That clears a lot up. The HVX200 seemed to Read the data it could read and ignore the rest.

Unified scene files that could be shared across the family of cameras would seem like a logical step for Panasonic to take. Shooters would, presumably, have legacy settings they would want to port to their new cameras or rentals, especially for a multiple camera shoot.

Again, thanks.

jona816
10-24-2008, 03:42 PM
haven't had much time to fool around with the scene setting so just wanted to put out these questions ( please forgive me if it's asking too much:(

I plan on doing a few shorts and some webisodes using the 150.

1.) What do you guys recommend as far as scene settings for something like this that closely resembles that of film? I plan on shooting using 720/24 in PH mode

I also plan on doing a few short films to be put on Bluray as well as on the internet (Vimeo and the likes).

2.) What scene settings are recommended for low light that, again, resembles film?

Probably very general questions but just want to get an idea as to what you guys are using and what is a good setting to get the desired results. Thanks again and sorry if they are very general.

Jona

averan
03-08-2009, 12:13 PM
hello everyone.

i looked around for a collection of scene files, but didn't find a sub-forum or any previous posts. forgive me if i post this in the wrong place!

i took the hpx170 scene files from the panny site and edited them to match the hmc150 format.

for those that don't know, i'll try to explain how it works.

you can store/load 4 'scene' files on the camera.
each 'scene' file contains 6 presets corresponding to 'F1, F3, etc'.
so what you can do is create 4 different 'scene' files or groups of presets and load them as needed.

i plan to create a scene file for each type of job/shoot/project, eg, wedding or ENG news report. you have to name the scene files 'SCENE1.txt' and 'SCENE2.txt', but the presets can be whatever 6 digit name you want.

i'm attaching a 'SCENE1.txt' to show the format you need to follow when creating your own custom groups of presets.

simply copy the values from one of the looks you want and paste into 'SCENE1.txt' so that you have 6 presets (F1-F6). copy everything AFTER "<F1>". then 'save as' 'SCENE2.txt' or 3 or 4 to create your 4 files of grouped presets.

the 'SCENE1.txt' is slightly modded from the default, i changed F1 to the 'vivid' look from panny.

i hope this helps!

averan
03-08-2009, 12:21 PM
forgot to include the link to panny's page on hpx170 scene files
http://www.panasonic.com/business/provideo/scene_files.asp?model=HPX170
check it out for visual reference on what each look/preset looks like. =)

btw, i changed a few names.
jarhed = desert
nferno = hot
addstp = lowlt
olphot = oldpic
filmic = film
setlit = warm

sorry! i'm playing with renaming these to be easier to recognize for their applications =)

tbanucci
03-08-2009, 11:13 PM
Is it possible to save scene files somewhere besides the dial on back? Like the user buttons, or within the menu somewhere? I have not found something like that. Would be so cool if, in the future, we were just able to hook up a USB stick to the camera and load scene files from it into the menu.

KeithAndrews.TV
03-09-2009, 12:15 PM
http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/6262/1236627279.zip

Download and unzip. You will have the factory original scene files in SCENE1 as well as the additional 18 scene files in SCENE2, 3, and 4.

averan
03-14-2009, 11:58 AM
Is it possible to save scene files somewhere besides the dial on back? Like the user buttons, or within the menu somewhere? I have not found something like that. Would be so cool if, in the future, we were just able to hook up a USB stick to the camera and load scene files from it into the menu.
the sd card is like a usb stick....the 4 scene files sit on the card. you load 1 at a time into the camera to fill the 6 presets on the dial.

so if you take the folder uploaded by digitalcapturegroup, you can copy those to your card. inside each .txt file, you can name the scene file with an 8 digit title. the presets in those scene files are pretty well grouped. SCENE1 is your default basic presets. SCENE2 seems good for films. SCENE3 has the most extreme presets for music videos or more drastic looks. SCENE4 is all around warm and soft.

go ahead and edit each .txt and give them your own logical 'TITLE'. the TITLE is how it appears in your camera menu.

Dylan Pfohl
03-15-2009, 04:23 PM
figured it out, cool.

Marduk
03-17-2009, 09:04 PM
thank you averan for the tip. helped alot
thank you digitalcapturegroup for the file. that helped too.lol

booggerg2
03-18-2009, 04:22 AM
Comman guys. there is nothing magical about the scene file adjustments.. All they do is change color temperature, black level, etc.. the only thing that is significant are the gamma curves.. The other settings can all be perfected/tuned in your NLE, which I would much rather do anyways.. I mean why lock yourself down to a certain look where you can't change in post? Shoot neutral as possible and modify in post. I don't get the hype over the scene files.. I just took a look at the sample scene file settings for the HPX170 and was extremely underwhelmed at the variations.. I come from a DVX and they were just as useless on that camera..

KeithAndrews.TV
03-19-2009, 05:24 AM
Although I would normally agree with you to shoot clean and effect in post, I do think there is something to be gained from using scene files when you know what kind of look you are going for, and that is time saved. Even with todays fast computers it still takes rendering time to achieve the same look that we could from within the camera while in production.

I also feel that it is important for every camera operator to know their tool inside and out, and adjusting/using the scene settings is a great way to understand how each function can alter the recorded image. Just my two cents!

nantnee
04-04-2009, 02:07 PM
can we have a sticky for this like the canon "preset"??

kabokuti
04-27-2009, 11:54 AM
In this same thread, johnnyha (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=32159) says "I shot some footage in Scene file 6 (Cinelike D) with Master Ped all the way down to -50, in twilight, that looked GREAT...", what does he mean?

Then he says "I'm shooting at -20 Master Ped now".

What is 'Master Ped'?
What does it do?

Sorry for the questions, I'm new to this and want to get to know as much as I can.
Thanks.

D.R. Gates
04-27-2009, 01:33 PM
It's master pedestal. It controls the starting point of the gamma curve. This will change the dark areas of the picture.

Allen Ellis
04-27-2009, 02:00 PM
I can't wait until we can record the equivalent of RAW files for video and get away from 8-bit recorders so we can really play with these details in post. Maybe with AVC-Ultra...

Cinesota
05-07-2009, 01:39 AM
Just discovered this playing around with the scene files from the HPX-170. On the HMC-150 if the Knee adjustment is grayed out (and defaulting to auto) you need to change the Gamma setting to something other than Cinelike. Once you have your Knee adjusted to your liking you can go back to Gamma and reset it to Cinelike if needed. The Knee will grey out once again but it should stay set with whatever you set it at. Not sure if the camera is still reading it when it is grayed out but some of the 170 scene files do require a Knee other than auto and a Cinelike gamma. This may have already been covered before but I thought I would pass it along just in case. Hope it helps.

Ray

Barry_Green
05-07-2009, 08:56 AM
Not quite. When the knee is grayed out, that means that it is not used at all. The cinelike gammas do not use the knee circuit. So no matter what you set it to, it will have no effect.

averan
05-07-2009, 09:01 AM
can someone explain what the knee's do? i don't quite understand....is it like setting compression levels for the white and black range? like limiting contrast?

Cinesota
05-07-2009, 10:13 PM
Thanks for clarifying that Barry. I thought that might be the case. It does leave me a little confused though regarding the scene files from the HPX-170. There are certain scene files that specify a Cinelike gamma and a Knee other than auto. Most of the scene files do use an automatic Knee...but take the scene file titled "FILMIC" from the Panny website for instance, if the Knee is not used when set to a Cinelike gamma then why does the author of that scene file specify a low Knee? Is the grayed out Knee setting only applicable to the HMC-150 or does it apply to the 170 as well?

Ray

wesler
10-07-2009, 11:47 AM
hello everyone.

i looked around for a collection of scene files, but didn't find a sub-forum or any previous posts. forgive me if i post this in the wrong place!

i took the hpx170 scene files from the panny site and edited them to match the hmc150 format.

for those that don't know, i'll try to explain how it works.

you can store/load 4 'scene' files on the camera.
each 'scene' file contains 6 presets corresponding to 'F1, F3, etc'.
so what you can do is create 4 different 'scene' files or groups of presets and load them as needed.

i plan to create a scene file for each type of job/shoot/project, eg, wedding or ENG news report. you have to name the scene files 'SCENE1.txt' and 'SCENE2.txt', but the presets can be whatever 6 digit name you want.

i'm attaching a 'SCENE1.txt' to show the format you need to follow when creating your own custom groups of presets.

simply copy the values from one of the looks you want and paste into 'SCENE1.txt' so that you have 6 presets (F1-F6). copy everything AFTER "<F1>". then 'save as' 'SCENE2.txt' or 3 or 4 to create your 4 files of grouped presets.

the 'SCENE1.txt' is slightly modded from the default, i changed F1 to the 'vivid' look from panny.

i hope this helps!
Hi averan,

Did you created the scene file for each type of job/shoot/project???

Thanks

averan
10-07-2009, 01:02 PM
no. still haven't gotten around to that! =(

i've settled on using a modified Cine-V scene file for pretty much everything.

i hope to eventually create those project-related groups some day...

lakotawolf
10-22-2009, 07:17 PM
How do i load these settings into my camera? I`m having trouble cant figure it out.

averan
10-25-2009, 11:20 AM
How do i load these settings into my camera? I`m having trouble cant figure it out.

i know this question has been answered many times in this forum....
i haven't loaded any in a while, but it basically goes like this:

save your scene file sets onto the card (i don't remember into which folder)
go into scene file settings on your camera
select load from one of the options
choose the set you want to load into the camera's memory (F1-6 on the scene dial)

you can only load one set of 6 scenes at a time, so organize your sets/groups in a way that makes sense.

you'll have to search the forums, read the manual, and/or fiddle with it on the camera to figure it out, sorry.

lakotawolf
10-25-2009, 12:34 PM
Got it. Thanks for the help.

stevez
11-07-2009, 08:21 PM
Anyone notice that the "desert" setting is the same as "film"?

Alex.Mitchell
11-08-2009, 09:25 AM
Is there any way to translate the HPX and HMC master ped values for the DVX and vice versa? I have a scene file I'd like to try out but I'm having a hard time finding the right setting.

aaron.willman
12-22-2010, 02:09 PM
i may be missing something... but why are there so many "8s" and such in these scene files? the camera reads from "-7" to "+7." HELP!

Richy Lacey
02-11-2011, 06:52 AM
What changes would I need to make to the scene files to make them suitable for PAL use?

JimmyT
02-19-2011, 07:47 PM
Is this something that you can just imput into the camera?


Here you are, this is what the text file looks like


Ver 1.00-00
AG-HMC151E
SYSTEM FREQ:50Hz
TITLE:TITLE002
<F1>
SCENE NAME:WARHCO ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 13 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 118 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 6 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 3 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F2>
SCENE NAME:SINCON ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 10 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 12 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 150 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 0 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 2 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F3>
SCENE NAME:SPARK ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 11 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 9 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 12 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 126 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 4 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 0 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F4>
SCENE NAME:B-STR ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 11 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 128 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 16 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 3 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 0 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F5>
SCENE NAME:CINE V ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 6 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 126 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 9 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 6 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 3 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN
<F6>
SCENE NAME:CINE D ; NAME EDIT
00003001: 8 ; DETAIL LEVEL
00003002: 8 ; V DETAIL LEVEL
00003003: 8 ; DETAIL CORING
00003004: 8 ; CHROMA LEVEL
00003005: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE
00003006: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Ach
00003007: 8 ; COLOR TEMP Bch
00003009: 126 ; MASTER PED
0000300a: 7 ; A IRIS LEVEL
0000300b: 0 ; DRS
0000300c: 5 ; GAMMA
0000300d: 0 ; KNEE
0000300e: 3 ; MATRIX
0000300f: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL
00003011: 586 ; SYNCRO SCAN

oxband
08-10-2011, 03:22 PM
I just want to get one thing clear with the camera. I can only have 6 scenes set at any one time? I can have numerous sets on an SD card, but the camera will only store one group of 6 at once?

Do people have SD cards they keep with their gerar that they use only for scene files? I'm thinking that must be a normal thing to do.

Barry_Green
08-10-2011, 08:41 PM
Six at a time. The SD card can hold four packages of six each.

zen-cam
12-15-2011, 02:43 PM
i may be missing something... but why are there so many "8s" and such in these scene files? the camera reads from "-7" to "+7." HELP!

Yes, I'm wondering this too and don't see that there was ever an answer. Clearly, the numbers in the scene files do not correspond to the numbers set manually in the camera.

For example, GAMMA is set to a number in the SCENE#.txt files e.g.:

...
0000300c: 3 ; GAMMA
...

but when adding settings to the camera manually you can set Gamma to Normal, Low, High, Cine Like D, etc.

So, does anyone have a list of correlations? Like
"0000300c: 3 ; GAMMA" = Gamma set to "High" (or whatever it really means)
"00003009: 128 ; MASTER PED" = Master Pedestal set to -15 (or whatever...).

(I'm just making these up, these are not actual correlations.)

I'm asking because I am going to do a test shoot with an HMC150 that I am going to borrow for a shoot. I'd like to create a few scene files before the test to load on it when I borrow it. Time is short and I want to maximize testing and not spend a lot of time manually setting scene files up, so I'd like to be able to set them up in a SCENE#.txt file before I actually have the camera in hand.

Also, how compatible are DVX100B scene files on the HMC150? I don't mean text files but settings. I've got some favorite DVX scene files and am wondering if I can set the 150 to the same settings and expect similar results.

Thanks to anyone who can help or point me in the right direction.

zen-cam
12-16-2011, 06:15 AM
Also, what is the directory structure for the SCENE files for the 150?

I have an SD card that has saved SCENE files from the new HPX250, and the directories look like this:

PRIVATE>MEIGROUP>PAVCN>SBG>P2SD>Scene files in here, e.g. "SCENE1.TXT"

But I'm guessing that the "P2SD" directory at the end of that chain is not the same for the 150 (since the 250 is a P2 camera and the 150 is not).

Can anyone tell me what the directory structure is for the SCENE files on the 150? I know the top level is "PRIVATE" but no one has said what folders are below that one.

Thanks if anyone can help.

mik
01-16-2012, 03:49 AM
PRIVATE>MEIGROUP>PAVCN>SBG>P2SD>Scene files in here, e.g. "SCENE1.TXT"


For the HMC 151 is the same directory. i guess is like this also on the 150

bobmax
09-05-2012, 11:01 PM
will these files work for the HMC 152