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awomias
10-06-2008, 05:49 AM
I have both Vegas and FCS2. Other than the advantage of native editing in Vegas 8.0c, will the final output be better quality than the Apple ProRes 422 workflow in FCP? My final output is long form material (wedding/events) delivered on SD DVD's. Also if I decide to edit in Vegas, can I end up with a rendered file I can bring into DVD Studio Pro to author the DVD as I much prefer that to Sony's DVD Architect? Thanks for any input.
kurtmo
10-06-2008, 09:28 AM
I use Vegas but I don't use Apple ProRes. My take is that transcoding adds another generation of encoding, so it won't be better. What I found with transcoding on the PC side is that it isn't quite as good as native in Vegas...don't get me wrong, it is very good and the transcoded image is very close to tthe native image, but the native AVCHD looks better (sharper, truest color) to me.
awomias
10-06-2008, 10:16 AM
Can I end up with a rendered file in Vegas I can bring into DVD Studio Pro? What file format would it be in if so?
kurtmo
10-06-2008, 10:24 AM
Can I end up with a rendered file in Vegas I can bring into DVD Studio Pro? What file format would it be in if so?
I'm not familiar with DVD Studio Pro, but it looks like it should take a standard Mpeg2 encoded file. DVD Architect wants seperate MPEG2 video and AC3 audio files. Vegas can render them into one file if thats what DVD Studio Pro needs.
So, I would assume you would render to mpeg2 using the DVD Architect setting that matches your project.
PKraft
10-06-2008, 11:35 AM
DVD Studio Pro requires two separate files, video ( i.e. m2v) and audio ( i.e. ac3).
Hope this helps. Pe.
VideoMaker
10-06-2008, 11:50 AM
Hi Kurt, I have ordered the HMC150 and I also use Vegas and DVDA. I am interested in learning more about burning (short) blu-ray streams to DVD (not BD). I would like to start with HMC150 720 24p, edit in Vegas, and burn in DVDA. Can you describe the best workflow for this in Vegas/DVDA?
Jerry
I use Vegas but I don't use Apple ProRes. My take is that transcoding adds another generation of encoding, so it won't be better. What I found with transcoding on the PC side is that it isn't quite as good as native in Vegas...don't get me wrong, it is very good and the transcoded image is very close to tthe native image, but the native AVCHD looks better (sharper, truest color) to me.
Briody
10-06-2008, 01:44 PM
Hi Kurt, I have ordered the HMC150 and I also use Vegas and DVDA. I am interested in learning more about burning (short) blu-ray streams to DVD (not BD). I would like to start with HMC150 720 24p, edit in Vegas, and burn in DVDA. Can you describe the best workflow for this in Vegas/DVDA?
Jerry
My HMC150 doesn't arrive until tommorow, but I think I can answer the question (I'm a longtime Vegas user).
Your Vegas project settings should be setup to match footage (720 24p) then you'll render the project twice - once using the .ac3 and the other using mpg2 standard def set to elementary stream. I created my own preset using VBR (variable bitrate) encoding and I think it looks good.
If I'm understanding you correct, you want a playable DVD right? So that's why I said you'll need the standard def output.
ScottInVegas
10-06-2008, 01:57 PM
Your Vegas project settings should be setup to match footage (720 24p) then you'll render the project twice - once using the .ac3 and the other using mpg2 standard def set to elementary stream. I created my own preset using VBR (variable bitrate) encoding and I think it looks good.
If I'm understanding you correct, you want a playable DVD right? So that's why I said you'll need the standard def output.
If I understand the question correctly, I think Jerry's looking for workflow to get HD content onto a standard DVD. If that is the case, obviously you won't fit much time/content onto a standard DVD, from what I've read here and there... I think this is possible.
The DVD @ 4.7 GB (I think) is a DVD-5, and you can put anything on it, even HD content. I have no idea what goes into this, though.
I think that I saw something from Bob Diaz a while back that expanded on this topic. Maybe we can get him to chime in? psst...Bob?
Briody
10-06-2008, 03:16 PM
If I understand the question correctly, I think Jerry's looking for workflow to get HD content onto a standard DVD. If that is the case, obviously you won't fit much time/content onto a standard DVD, from what I've read here and there... I think this is possible.
The DVD @ 4.7 GB (I think) is a DVD-5, and you can put anything on it, even HD content. I have no idea what goes into this, though.
I think that I saw something from Bob Diaz a while back that expanded on this topic. Maybe we can get him to chime in? psst...Bob?
I think you're right (after I reread it). I got it all wrong. Sorry!
I've seen people author HD WMV content on standard DVD's for PC playback, but that's really using the DVD for storage. Is it possible to put HD content on a DVD and stick the disc in my Blu-Ray player?
VideoMaker
10-06-2008, 06:51 PM
Yep Scott, this is what I'm lookin for. As I understand it, I can put a short HD clip on a DVD and play in in a Blu Ray player. There are some limitations like smaller bit rate, and obviously shorter length. I just need to figure out how to render it for DVDA.
If I understand the question correctly, I think Jerry's looking for workflow to get HD content onto a standard DVD. If that is the case, obviously you won't fit much time/content onto a standard DVD, from what I've read here and there... I think this is possible.
The DVD @ 4.7 GB (I think) is a DVD-5, and you can put anything on it, even HD content. I have no idea what goes into this, though.
I think that I saw something from Bob Diaz a while back that expanded on this topic. Maybe we can get him to chime in? psst...Bob?
ScottInVegas
10-06-2008, 07:01 PM
I may be in the same boat as you. I have no Blu Ray ANYTHING yet. My 150 will be here in a couple days and I have no idea what to do with it.
I think the best approach while I learn the camera is to go out and buy a BR player for my HD TV and shoot short bits of content and burn to cheap DVD's. A $350 BR player in the living room would help me see my content on my HD set as I do not have a newer TV with an SD slot. I have no idea what steps are involved either; I just committed to 'figuring it out'.
I use Vegas 8c and DVDA as well, but have authored only a few DVD's. Not even sure what the output type/format should be. I have yet to download the DVDA update with BR capability - I just assumed the output type would become apparent after I got the update. Hopefully someone will throw us a line :-)
manglerBMX
10-06-2008, 07:23 PM
i've burned HD content with DVDSP for HD-DVD(yeah yeah.. i'm one of the suckers that bought one...) but it looks good, up to 18 mins i think with a dual layer? something like that, its been while. i got apple tv and forgot about my HD-DVD player.
matt s.
10-06-2008, 10:10 PM
I may be in the same boat as you. I have no Blu Ray ANYTHING yet. My 150 will be here in a couple days and I have no idea what to do with it.
I think the best approach while I learn the camera is to go out and buy a BR player for my HD TV and shoot short bits of content and burn to cheap DVD's. A $350 BR player in the living room would help me see my content on my HD set as I do not have a newer TV with an SD slot. I have no idea what steps are involved either; I just committed to 'figuring it out'.
Why not just hook the camera up to the TV and view the shots from it?
ScottInVegas
10-06-2008, 10:37 PM
Why not just hook the camera up to the TV and view the shots from it?
Wow. The voice of reason; I really never thought of that. Duh. Now I can watch my footage immediately with no extra equipment. With all of this technical stuff whizzing around here over this camera, I forgot the blatantly obvious and insanely simple.
However, I *do* still want to learn the steps to getting HD footage onto a DVD-5 for playback on a BR player.
Thanks Matt!
If you really want a Blu-ray player, get a PS3. Plays your files anyway you want.
ewilliams2
10-10-2008, 08:42 AM
Have to second that recommendation to get the PS3. Simply plug your SDHC card into an SDHC Reader and plug that into one of the PS3's USB ports and view your video, plus it's a wonderful BlueRay player to boot.
ScottInVegas
10-10-2008, 09:06 AM
No! No more gaming systems. I didn't even game until this year. I hate eating up that much time. My wife wanted a Wii for Mario, and I got sucked into it watching friends play Halo and GTA. Now I own an Xbox, too and am a Halo addict. I am not buying a third. I'd rather just go get a BR player. But I appreciate learning that people are using them for BR and will keep that in mind.
JPJ Studios
10-15-2008, 07:20 PM
No! No more gaming systems. I didn't even game until this year. I hate eating up that much time. My wife wanted a Wii for Mario, and I got sucked into it watching friends play Halo and GTA. Now I own an Xbox, too and am a Halo addict. I am not buying a third. I'd rather just go get a BR player. But I appreciate learning that people are using them for BR and will keep that in mind.
Lol if you're going to be spending $300+ anyways, just get a PS3 and don't buy any games! The BluyRay player in the PS3 is actually one of the best on the market. At least down the road, you'd have the option to do more with it than just watch BR content; and if it's same price, it should be an easy decision for you....
The PS3 is a blessing for me. It's like the ultimate media hub an all in one. I have the older first gen PS3 with built in wifi and media card reader which is great. I view my Photography "Compact Flash Cards",Canon HG21 camcorder"usb cord" and HMC 150 Cards, Surf the internet, stream PC media,watch movies, and yes play games!hahah No one will force you to purchase games, you just have to use a little self control ;)
Tonycap