How are "reds" with this camera?

[Kenn Christenson]

I've shot with the HVX-200 and I've noticed very blocky reds, even at 1080P. Has anyone had any trouble with the color red, with the EX1?

Reason I'm asking is; I have a project with a candy apple red costume in it and I want to make sure it will render alright.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[matthew77]

No.

Beautiful reds, greens and blues.

Blockiness almost never occurs, but if it does it tends to be in very dark areas and blues.

[Kenn Christenson]

Good to know. Thanks Matthew.

[PerroneFord]

Great question.

So I just set up a little test in my office with the can of Coke I had on my desk...

http://www.dvxuser6.com/uploaded/20610/1222384552.jpg

[Stevet]

Damn!

[PerroneFord]

So uhhhh.... how are the reds? :)

[Kenn Christenson]

BIG thank you Perrone! You've convinced me!

[PerroneFord]

Have fun with your shoot.

Oh, download the WMV file at the bottom of this Vimeo page.

http://www.vimeo.com/1419305

[Danielisnotadrummer]

I really do prefer the HPX170 to this camera. No rolling shutter to worry about, no wobble, no disgusting interframe compression.

[Danielisnotadrummer]

It's just a more solid camera with better color sampling a higher bitrate more reliable media and it just feels better. The image is more approachable. I'm tired of salesmen at AbleCineTech and such places trying to shove the EX1's long GOP advantage to DVCPROHD down my throat. Advantage my rear! Sony needs to stop this useless oneupsmanship. They always try to beat panasonic. They might have succeeded in upgraded resolution, but CMOS?!?! COME ON! and geesh. ROLLING SHUTTER? ew.

[Fohdeesha]

You couldn't have made it any more obvious you've never actually shot with an EX1.



It's just a more solid camera

No.


better color sampling

Due to the EX1's 3 full raster 1080p sensors, it carries the same amount of overall color information, if not more, than the HPX. It can be easily pushed just as far in post as DVCPROHD.


higher bitrate

Enjoy having to pay for more cards to store the same amount of footage as we do, for a rather useless extra 65mbps. Many many people have attempted to break the XDCAM EX codec, and have utterly failed.


more reliable media

What are you talking about? I haven't seen a single story of SxS failure. By the way, I hope you're enjoying paying $850 for a 16gb p2 card using an archaic Cardbus interface, while we pick up $65 16gb SD cards and record to them all day long.



it just feels better.

Once again, no.


The image is more approachable.

What? That doesn't even make sense.


but CMOS?!?! COME ON! and geesh. ROLLING SHUTTER? ew.

yes, CMOS. Three 1080p CCD censors packed in a prosumer sized camera would melt to the center of the earth and have the power draw of a small city. Once again, it's pretty obvious you've never actually used an EX1, as rolling shutter is not an issue whatsoever unless you purposely try to evoke it.


I highly suggest you rent an EX1 and shoot with it for a day, otherwise please don't spout a bunch of misinformation and hatred. I don't go into the HVX forum and make a post called "Are you guys enjoying your misaligned sub-HD sensors?", so please don't do the same here.

[USLatin]

Yea, the reds problem is an old DVX issue... Reds are... well... there is that picture there so why even post :)

lol

[Stevet]

I really do prefer the HPX170 to this camera. No rolling shutter to worry about, no wobble, no disgusting interframe compression.

LOL..
Just keep telling yourself that over and over..

[Danielisnotadrummer]

Foddeesha, you are obviously a fanboy of Sony's. Let fanboys be fanboys, as I always say. I'd like to talk to someone with some actual experience with both. Not a fanboy like yourself. Who has probably never even used an HPX. So just keep on spoutin' your useless tech specks at me. Keep goin!

[Fohdeesha]

Foddeesha, you are obviously a fanboy of Sony's. Let fanboys be fanboys, as I always say. I'd like to talk to someone with some actual experience with both. Not a fanboy like yourself. Who has probably never even used an HPX. So just keep on spoutin' your useless tech specks at me. Keep goin!


I've used both, and use this thing called logic to make decisions. But I guess "poop faces" is cool too

[Luis Caffesse]

Enough.

Keep it under control and keep it civil.
We're only talking about cameras - keep that in mind, and keep it in perspective.

Take a break, relax.... and go shoot something.

[Daniel S. Williams]

wow.


We got some trolls on these threads

[booth]

I personally prefer the EX1, so much so that I purchased one.

The problem with the HVX/HPX170/HPX171 is that the rez just isn't there. I'd love Panasonic to bring out a HPX style camera but with full 1080p chips (or more). Nice cameras but they just don't have the image quality that I like to work with.

And yes I've used one.

Same as, I'd like Sony to bring out an EX1 style camera with better ergonomics and a 4:2:2 option.

[Robert Ruffo]

There is a 422 option, it's called the flash XDR - albeit it runs another $3000.

The thing about rolling shutter vs. resolution: I see the extra res IN EVERY SHOT. Rolling shutter, on the other hand, MAYBE affects 1 shot in 100, as such I chose more res over no rolling shutter, as I'd rather improve 100% of shots than 1% of them.

[da24MK]

I own the EX1, my neighbor "used to" own the HPX170 (well its the 171, PAL version). He was working with the HPX for a TV commercial and wanted a "B" cam. So he asked for my EX1 with Nano. For the test shoot, we shot 1080p (true 1080 on the EX1, none of that pixel shift stuff) 422, sunny outsides with Polas. By the time he ingested one of his 32GB P2s, I already had my footage lined up in FCP (copied from the CF cards on the Nano thru to my MAcbook pro). After I came back from a trip to the corner coffee shop, he was ready. We looked at the both footages there and again back at the studio. The EX1 was then selected as the "main" cam. My neighbor is selling his HPX for a EX1 and hoping to get a Nano.

I've used the HPX, I think about 4 times. Good camera, nice features (love the vectorscope and the autofocus) but would I buy one? Hmm.....maybe if I want a cool "B" cam.

BTW, I shoot steadicam, "jimmy" jib and handheld like 90% of the time, all with pans. Not even once did I EVER come across jellovision or rolling shutter probs. Is it because I'm a damn good cinematographer? Or is it because my EX1 is special??

[GuyB]

I ... Not even once did I EVER come across jellovision or rolling shutter probs. Is it because I'm a damn good cinematographer? Or is it because my EX1 is special??

I'm not going to question if you 'special' ;-) but I will add that the issues of the rolling shutter are real, BUT in most cases massively overhyped, especially the skew issues (at least with the EX). Sure camera flash's are different, but any massive change in light level over 1-2 frames is going to make your image expose incorrectly (full frame or half frame...) no matter what the sensor type

[Tom Roper]

My EX1 does fine with the red of a Coke can as Perrone noted, but go out and shoot a traffic light at some intersection. There is something wrong about how that red looks, came out looking orange like.

[Jason Ramsey]

you guys do realize that you revived a thread that is a year old and was flamed by a troll posting under multiple usernames, right? :)

Later,
Jason