What 5D MkII 30p really means to filmmaking...

[Elton]

It's kinda like this to most: http://www.aphextwin.nu/visuals/wlcalendar/wlcalendar-06.jpg

Mmmmm....

[ESTEBEVERDE]

That's a great video by the way!


A++++++++++++++++++ on taste!

[f64manray]

Yep, Paris Hilton is definitely passed her prime.

[dandobi.com]

the beginning dialogue of this video is pure genius.

"ROLL THIS RIDE!!!"

[rawfa]

Hahaha. Good one, Elton!

[Bebel]

Like that body.. Yummy :Drogar-Love(DBG):

But ja, you're right bro, 30p doesn't cut it!!!

With 24p, this DSLR could have revolutionized digital filmmaking at a single blow!!! But instead of leading, Canon decided to indulge in the past, protecting its ageing XH-camcorder line.. Pity, cos now Nikon will have to do the job..

[ESTEBEVERDE]

Elton.

Can you update that pic with a link to the video?

That's a bad ass video.

[TimurCivan]

Guys,

seriously. The Canon 5D MKII is the most exciting thing ive ever seen. 21.1 MP..... Full frame... 2600$......

If the Video Function didint exist, i would be equally elated.... Serously, who here is going to shoot a short on a highly compressed, "Movie mode" that a still camera has as a bonus feature...

[Bebel]

As a still cam? Totally! I'm an old EOS aficionado and the new 5D is the best of them..

As a movie cam? Not so much cos of the lacking 24p, which indeed keeps the movie mode a "bonus" feature. It just hurts to see the potential that hasn't been exhausted here..

Ja me! I'd use that stunner to shoot loads of stuff. But ok, I'm not into commercial filmmaking.

[Madmanden]

Serously, who here is going to shoot a short on a highly compressed, "Movie mode" that a still camera has as a bonus feature...
You're kidding right? :)

[ESTEBEVERDE]

Guys,

...

Serously, who here is going to shoot a short on a highly compressed, "Movie mode" that a still camera has as a bonus feature...


This Guy:

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_11.jpg

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_3.jpg

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_21.jpg (http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-industry/)

[ESTEBEVERDE]

To request 24p from Canon call:

(800) 828-4040, for the US
Select the third option
Give Feedback

[Kholi]

This Guy:



http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_3.jpg

(http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-industry/)

I hope this weird color is just a user error, honestly.

[ESTEBEVERDE]

I like it.

I think he just wanted it warm.

Plus, he shot under sodium lights so that's what he got. :-)


I agree that the 30p factor is dangerous for those who want film distribution for now.

As theaters go digital it will matter less and less.


At any rate, people can petition Canon for 24p but I don't think they'll listen.

Hope they do.

But they probably won't.

[Kholi]

I'm all for Sodium Vapor being the culprit if ti is. But, what about his jacket? The shoulder exhibits some super-weird color distortion. I think it's supposed to be cream-white... and strange enough the cream-white walls in the other Canon Demo video showed this same thing.

[StMad]

The thing that really freaks me out is his chin. See how the right of his cleft hangs lower than the left? Creeeepy.

[Spybreaka]

Those shots are stunning considering he only used one small portable light. Lack of 24p is the only thing that will likely protect Canon's professional camcorder market considering the image quality here. I wouldn't expect to see 24p implemented by them until they absolutely _have_ to (i.e. Nikon does it on a similar quality platform).

[Bebel]

Absolutely stunning shots indeed! But the 5D MK2 without 24p is like casting pearls before swine..

Ok that's a deal! Will give Canon Europe a call to urge them for 24p..

Spybreak, they will absolutely have to implement it very soon anyway. Not implementing is like inviting Nikon to do the job.

[semila58]

:dankk2: will give Canon Europe a call next week, urging for 24p..

Maybe you'd have better luck asking for 25p?

[Bebel]

Maybe you'd have better luck asking for 25p?


Thanx bro! Ja, 25p might sound a bit more familiar to them..

[Nicky]

This Guy:

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_11.jpg

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_3.jpg

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_21.jpg (http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2008/09/20/something-very-interesting-is-comingboth-to-this-blog-and-to-our-industry/)

Are these stills taken from video or REAL 5D stills???????

[Nicky]

just read the blog... seems these are taken from the video clips!!!!

Thats amazing... for such low-light these grabs could be shot on RED... could fool me at least!!!... I really thought these were proper 21MP stills.

Now we just need to view them at FULL 1080P RES!... But judging from the super detail on a low-lit road I have to say that this looks COMPLETELY LEGIT AND PROPER!

Someone said the 5D video had to be shrunk to 700 lines to look decent???... WHAT THE ??????

[lisa hayse]

I don't think I'm gonna to want to believe this.
Somebody call the President of Canon.

[booggerg2]

not want to believe what?

[lisa hayse]

Look Up.....

That 1st Pic looks like the background was photoshoped Blurr.

If the last Pic was from a video. Well then that 3.5 thousand might be worth it
if they Realize 24P was a necessity not a luxury.

[Emanuel]

I like it.

I think he just wanted it warm.

Same POV here. This simply rocks whether Kholi :) (or others) like it, whether not.

25p@PAL_side would be gold. For theatrical film blow-up(s) in mind, as well.

[wjm]

Look Up.....

That 1st Pic looks like the background was photoshoped Blurr.

I think he's using a tilt-shift (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilt-shift_photography) lens. Allows for selective DOF by tilting the lens mount.

[kyledroid]

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=XggG7iFfoCk&eurl=http://gizmodo.com/5052767/a-taste-of-the-canon-5d-mark-iis-mindblowing-full-hd-video

This is what 5D MkII 30p really means to flimmaking...could'nt resist lol

[rawfa]

Jesus, man! Those stills look absolutely freaking incredible!
Like the D90, this camera is not perfect; but come on! We're witnessing something REALLY special here! This is the future.

[dirren]

Look Up.....

That 1st Pic looks like the background was photoshoped Blurr.



I agree. It's one of those "look at this amazing shot!" but It's pretty clear it's been worked on and does not look convincing at all. The dress on the girl (3rd pic) looks very strange too (still hoping I'm wrong for some reason). This Vincent Laforet really knows how to hype the camera.. for a guy with a shotgun to his head! His whole blog looked mighty bought if you ask me. I mean who puts a link up to the manufacturer of the screen he's using? Just wondering.

[Bebel]

hmmm.. these shots look highly artificial..pr material? it would need kinda actual footage to make any judgements.

[lisa hayse]

Guys, This has to be fake Again.

Canon would of released this at the announcement.
This VIncent Laforet seems strange.

This not hard proof unless Canon is backing it.
So I would love to be wrong but this clown has got us going in circles
for nothing.

[Rubbersquare]

Someone said the 5D video had to be shrunk to 700 lines to look decent???... WHAT THE ??????

i think he said the image were resized to 700px wide for the blog.

[bearing]

The "photoshoped" picture was shot with a tilted lens. The guy seems genuine to me. Read his replies to comments.

[booggerg2]

Look Up.....

That 1st Pic looks like the background was photoshoped Blurr.


OMG please stop already.. That shot was taken with a Tilt + Shift lens. Ignorance is bliss I suppose?

T+S example
http://www.onedigitallife.com/images/tilt-shift-photo.jpg


Guys, This has to be fake Again.

Canon would of released this at the announcement.
This VIncent Laforet seems strange.

This not hard proof unless Canon is backing it.
So I would love to be wrong but this clown has got us going in circles
for nothing.

OMG... simply embarrassing for ur self. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Laforet

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/drying-west/kunzig-text.html


I agree. It's one of those "look at this amazing shot!" but It's pretty clear it's been worked on and does not look convincing at all. The dress on the girl (3rd pic) looks very strange too (still hoping I'm wrong for some reason). This Vincent Laforet really knows how to hype the camera.. for a guy with a shotgun to his head! His whole blog looked mighty bought if you ask me. I mean who puts a link up to the manufacturer of the screen he's using? Just wondering.

Why fault a man for being a successful photographer and business man.. Not everyone has to be genuine and in the "poor indie-filmmaker" mindset. All that first shot tells me is that this camera has KICK-ASS dynamic range. Look at the texture in the water, look at the hot lights on the couple. NO camcorder can pull off this type of DR, except for the big clunky RED ONE.

Kholi: are you sure you're just not upset that now there's a very low cost solution for anyone who wants to produce sub-4K work with creamy DOF? Red One operators / rental houses probably are gonna take a hit.. not necessarily from this cam, but in the immediate future to come. Let's face it, not everyone needs to work at 4K res..

[John Caballero]

The fact is there is a very small bunch of photographers and videographers that get to test and advice the big companies on all their new equipment and technology. They are beta testers, insiders with a high profiles in the business. If you are not high profile you better not apply because the big companies won't even look at you. That is the way the game is played. These are the pros whose work is used in all the new products advertisements and promotions.
Like it or not Mr. Laforet is one of these guys. Award winning photographer with an inside track. I am sure if he says he tested the camera he certainly did. The people in this forum who can't understand that there are leaders in the industry that speak for the rest of us better start getting used to it.

[Kholi]

Can't wait til this Camera comes out... And the people ravin' about it produce something 30p that blows us all right into wanting to shoot 30p with dedicated video acquisition systems.

[frisco]

The fact is there is a very small bunch of photographers and videographers that get to test and advice the big companies on all their new equipment and technology. They are beta testers, insiders with a high profiles in the business. If you are not high profile you better not apply because the big companies won't even look at you. That is the way the game is played. These are the pros whose work is used in all the new products advertisements and promotions.
Like it or not Mr. Laforet is one of these guys. Award winning photographer with an inside track. I am sure if he says he tested the camera he certainly did. The people in this forum who can't understand that there are leaders in the industry that speak for the rest of us better start getting used to it.

Great post !!!

frisco

[lisa hayse]

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_11.jpg
booggerg2 (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=25593) Ignorance is bliss I suppose? (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=25593)
(http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=25593)


Just a quick question booggerg2. Why is their face and water focused but not on the same level but their body and odd parts blurred? Also that sharp light behind the girl?

The shot is no doubt great for what it's worth but where is the actual video if he got
a still from the video.

Thanks

[DallasZhen]

Just a quick question booggerg2. Why is their face and water focused but not on the same level but their body and odd parts blurred? Also that sharp light behind the girl?

The shot is no doubt great for what it's worth but where is the actual video if he got
a still from the video.

Thanks

Because he use a Tilt + Shift lens.

[lisa hayse]

uhhh. No...
You obviously are not look at the Pic.
I use a tilt + Shift lens and it doesn't work like that.
Any case I will drop it because you have no clue what I am talking about.

[Kholi]

It sort'a does look like a tilt shift. Best just wait for the footage to be released, honestly.

[Rubbersquare]

according to the photographer: "that was a 45mm TS shot"

[Rubbersquare]

was concerned about the compression and what it would mean to color correction. since video is not available for this, took the frame from the video and ran some stuff in photoshop. not apples to apples, but not a bad test. no banding issues i came across and photoshop tends to be pickier than, say, fcp.

http://www.rubbersquare.com/c5dm2test1.jpg

[beckspace]

it's the future, and its happening now. Whatever he used a tiltfocus or not the light sensibility is amazing in comparission to any cam build to date. The only thing that bugs me is that I never gone for the Canon interpretation of colors and contrast in their sensors. Is kind of lifeless, whereas Nikon has a more dramatic interpretation. I can see its images breathing, in Canon feels to me artificial and not very realistic.

I think that RED is in a big trouble now. Adobe is pushing their RAW videocode and big sensors hitting the streets for anyone. I'm so glad that now we can update our HD cams for less than 1~2k dolars now. So we can spend all avaiable money on light and sound and not on a technological video race that just eats our money every year and a half.

For now I'll keep the Nikon D90 over the 5D. Buying tomorrow. Canon is attractive for its specs, but then, Nikon is just started their video business and its closer of my tastes. Next year we'll have so many still cams that shoots HD that this forum will multiply tenfold. And it's just the beginning :)

[ESTEBEVERDE]

Look Up.....

That 1st Pic looks like the background was photoshoped Blurr.

....

That is a Tilt Shift Lens.

Selective Focus and all that... :beer:

[ESTEBEVERDE]

I agree. It's one of those "look at this amazing shot!" but It's pretty clear it's been worked on and does not look convincing at all.....



I don't think it's been worked at all.


That's just Tilt Lens.



An architect was at our building the other day.

It's a new building that cost 85Million Bucks US.

No Shit. A bit expensive to put it lightly.


At any rate, he was taking photos for his website of their finished jobs.

He was shooting with a 5D and a Tilt Shift Lens right around Dusk just when all the lights came on.


I saw his photo in that crappy little Canon view finder just after he shot it without any "working".


I was like yeah... this place was worth he 85Mil.


Great Photo!


Tilt Shift in the right hands is the Shyte!

[ESTEBEVERDE]

Guys, This has to be fake Again.

Canon would of released this at the announcement.
This VIncent Laforet seems strange.

This not hard proof unless Canon is backing it.
So I would love to be wrong but this clown has got us going in circles
for nothing.


WOW....


So sure of yourself and so quick to disparage VIncent Laforet....



P.S. His pics from the baseball game at Yankee Stadium are on the front of the New York Times....

But go on.... you were saying?

[ESTEBEVERDE]

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/wp-content/uploads/laforet_frame_grab_11.jpg
(http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/member.php?u=25593)


Just a quick question booggerg2. Why is their face and water focused but not on the same level but their body and odd parts blurred? Also that sharp light behind the girl?

The shot is no doubt great for what it's worth but where is the actual video if he got
a still from the video.

Thanks


Dear lisa hayse.

Please READ THE MOTHA F"N BLOG Before you ask so many questions.

It is TILT FOCUS TILT FOCUS...

Sincerely,

Estebe


P.S. I still love you. :beer:

[ESTEBEVERDE]

uhhh. No...
You obviously are not look at the Pic.
I use a tilt + Shift lens and it doesn't work like that.
Any case I will drop it because you have no clue what I am talking about.

I can use a paint brush too but I ain't no f'n Picaso if ya know what I mean! :)

[John Caballero]

P.S. His pics from the baseball game at Yankee Stadium are on the front of the New York Times....


Yeah. You can also go to www.nytimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com) and check it out.

[Toenis]

It is TILT FOCUS TILT FOCUS...


Yes it's tilt-shift 45mm 2.8 if I'm not mistaken.
I did a project half a year ago mostly with tilt-shift on Letus (http://www.vimeo.com/883553)
Check the first violin scene, the lens were tilted almost full 8degrees to get the JIB shot without continuously focusing

T

[rawfa]

Looks great. Toenis. What camera were you using with the letus?

[dirren]

ok, i totally hear you abt the tilt lens. still doesn't make up for the fact the pics look "unnatural". i might add this looks unnatural to me. mayb everyone else is buying this. however, another question comes to mind; when testing a camera like this WHY would you do it with a tilt on? if you read the (so called) review it was full of "no processing", "only one battery", "i had never used it before", "no extra light" -type purist comments. putting a tilt on when showing raw camera functions / images makes no sense... to me... i might add! ok, leaving this be now.

:)

[f64manray]

Vincent Laforet's 5D MKII video to debut in less than 12 hours:

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/


There is also a pretty incredible announcement coming up from them on this blog… within the next hour or so… One that almost trumps the release of this video in my opinion- an announcement that you all have a chance to benefit from…

[Elton]

I think there's a decent chance that the camera will at least be switchable to 50hz; and if not on this model I would be shocked if it weren't included on the next camera higher up on the totem pole.

Exciting times, indeed.

I think we're going to see some interesting
work done at ghastly 30p regardless of the "aesthetic compromise".

Maybe someone can write a fresh "Dogma '08" that lays down the law for this brave new cinematic world...

[John Caballero]

Man, is crazy everywhere. Here waiting for more real life samples from the Canon and over at scarletuser with the annoucement from Red of a big overhaul for Scarlet. Nikon started the fire and everybody is going bananas. Great stuff!

[Bebel]

FIERCE!!! :zombie_smiley:

elton: if this is going to happen what you're implying - i.e. bombshell getting AT LEAST a 50p facelift.. then yummy -
.. i would finally go insane and arrange a date with her IMMEDIATELY!!!

..without even considering dolls from nikon anymore..

[Bebel]

elton: ok I swear as a director to refrain from personal taste!

[Rubbersquare]

the announcement isn't from canon, it's from smugmug who's hosting the video.

[beckspace]

Man, is crazy everywhere. Here waiting for more real life samples from the Canon and over at scarletuser with the annoucement from Red of a big overhaul for Scarlet. Nikon started the fire and everybody is going bananas. Great stuff!

And the problem for Red is that Scarlet lost two years developing on the wrong direction and will be hard for them to keep up with every SLR maker of the market now.

[Steve Castle]

Here's write-up on Luminous Landscapes about the 5DMkII and its video capabilities:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/5dmkiipre.shtml

They have samples of the 5DII video on the link below (you have to listen to Michael Reichmann speaking for several minutes before you see the actual videos).

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/videos/5DMKII-preview.shtml


Jelly?


I was on the lookout for Jellocam, an artifact that is seen on any motion camera that uses a CMOS sensor. This can be caused by the sensor not recording the image all at once, but rather in a pass from top to bottom, which means that if anything is moving in the frame during that 1/30 of a second it will appears to shimmy and bend.

This is a problem that is much discussed in the video world. The highly regarded Sony EX-1 (which Chris and I, and many pros and broadcasters use) has it, but to such a small extent as to not be much of an issue at all. The RED One camera has it, but so little that it doesn't seem to bother film makers shooting multi-million dollar feature films. The new D90 shows it quite badly on the brief demo clips that have appeared online, but how big a deal this turns out to be still remains to be seen once demo cameras become available to knowledgeable reviewers.

As for the Canon 5D MKII – I see no jello-ish artifacts. I'm not saying that they may not be there, but in the day of shooting that I did, taking quite a few shots to specially look for it, I didn't see any.

[ESTEBEVERDE]

That's not true.

Most of the RED's research will certainly pertain to their new design.

Further more, they are a small and light company that can turn on a dime.

They can make the best of everything they have done so far and come out with a much superior product for all.


I think their biggest changes will just be changing form factor and going with removable 35mm lenses.

[John Caballero]

Well, when reality sets back in, we find out that RED has only one product still not fully delivered to everybody that can afford it and want it ASAP. Maybe in a couple of years when we have our Scarlets, Red Ones, Epic, etc. in our hands we will be able to wholeheartedly praise the wonders of RED.

[ESTEBEVERDE]

As you have said time will tell. But, what I am saying is that RED is doing a great job giving it their college try.


As far as who comes up with the best camera, who cares.

As long as we can get our hands on it I'll be happy! :-)

[Bebel]

have been browsing through 30p footage on vimeo lately..

can't help it - it still doesn't looks nice..

[Ian-T]

The video is just badda$$.

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2086

Those pics you seen are for real. Check it out. And it seems they've managed to tame the rolling shutter issues...still there....but not noticble in this footage.. Look at how sharp this video is.

[TimurCivan]

Wow. chekc out the TV gag on his blog... its was a practical...... HOLY CRAP.

IM so on this camera, 30p or not....

[Boomerang]

30p not working for me.... it shows in the video. Great color and DOF but no hiding the video look.

Plus I get this camera is great in low light but they did light most of these scenes we are so blown away by?

[booggerg2]

Boomer: why don't you read the blog entry. He used the modeling light from a profoto head only. And it wasn't used in all scenes.

[Ian-T]

Yeah....that's amazing. One small light... It's kind of hard for folks to understand...no doubt.

[booggerg2]

Yeah....that's amazing. One small light... It's kind of hard for folks to understand...no doubt.

Especially when it's these people who has only worked with crappy 1/3" camcorder that absolutely blow in low light. They can't comprehend what a modern DSLR sensor can do as far as light gathering goes.

[Boomerang]

When it comes to DSLR one light is all you need..... So I get how great this is. Its not like it was shot in darkness. It was smart shooting with excellent city ambient lighting. Come on I live in NYC and shoot photos all night long without a flash. I guess I want to see this camera and the D90 and say an HD video camera thats on par side by side in a true day and night test.

As soon as those clips hit daytime it screamed video to me . Probably why they only used three cuts from the day shoots. The color, night shooting and DOF helped the 30p but did not cure it.

I guess I am surprised we are singing such praise on a camera that only offers 30p.

I am more than excited of what is to come..... I was number eleven in line for a cinemek for my DVX100.....owned a Letus mini and HV20 to go compact........ I get it.

[Boomerang]

These people???
Well since I shoot with canon already(and should be biased) it is more than just a sensor I assume you understand how apertures work.

[Ian-T]

Um...I want 24p more than anyone else...but it's not everything. It amazes me that folks kick this cam to the curb because it lacks that feature...I mean...not everyone wants to shoot 24p. But..let's geet back to the video.....it's astounding (videoy or not) for ANY type of video camera. The thing is....folks know this....even the detractors/haters...but some are acting like their feelings are hurt....so they badmouth. Let's just forget about 24p for the moment and concentrate of the "video'........looks good ....don't it?

A....Nice...Doggone...camera it is..Ok?

[Boomerang]

No curb for me. In general this solves my consumer needs and makes everything compact. I am more interested to see what people like Rich Lee do with this type of gear, that is someone who will push the film aesthetic better than anyone else.

If this video is outstanding for any type of camera than you have some low standards. Badmouthing not at all, this is a forum of opinions some will love it and others see it for what it really is.

[Ian-T]

If this video is outstanding for any type of camera than you have some low standards. Badmouthing not at all, this is a forum of opinions some will love it and others see it for what it really is.Though I think this discussion is silly..please...tell me...what about the video did you not like other than it not being 24p? I'm curious. Is it the whole thing??...specific parts?? What scene?

Low standards you say? Of what...the footage from the D5? Or the accompanying noisy A1 shots in the clip?

[Boomerang]

I am bored with this conversation, happy you enjoyed the video so much. Cheers mate.

[Ian-T]

I am bored with this conversation, happy you enjoyed the video so much. Cheers mate.Ha...I'm glad you got the hint...:beer:

[egproductions]

I haven't read all the posts but I think this should be looked at from outside a filmakers perspective. The video mode on this camera is not meant to be for a real production. It's a still photographers tool nothing more. It can be used to capture a bride on her wedding day to include with a DVD of pictures but anything that requires real color correcting or editing is going to fall apart with this codec.

[Elton]

I haven't read all the posts but I think this should be looked at from outside a filmakers perspective.

Agreed.


The video mode on this camera is not meant to be for a real production. It's a still photographers tool nothing more.

Just like a spinning/vibrating optically degrading ground glass adapter with photo lenses is made for "real production". It's all about getting around limitations for a desired aesthetic.


It can be used to capture a bride on her wedding day to include with a DVD of pictures but anything that requires real color correcting or editing is going to fall apart with this codec.

Right. The codec that's employed in the 5D MKII has a higher bitrate than the EX1's HQ mode, and no one seems to be complaining about the image falling apart from CC or editing with that camera.

Not all codecs are created equal, but if this camera's video has a bitrate that's much higher than HDV, plus a more efficient codec and a much cleaner image, well that all points to a superior output...all things being equal. (which they never are)

[goodwin productions]

first production i did with 5d mark II.
tell me how you love it or hate it.
http://vimeo.com/5700809

[shAi]

first production i did with 5d mark II.
tell me how you love it or hate it.
http://vimeo.com/5700809

dude.. why picking on an almost 2 years old thread

kind of nostalgic though .. :cheesy:

[daveswan]

Oh No.....not another zombie thread....:zombie_smiley:
Dave

[Oedipax]

This thread was a good read :grin:

[egproductions]

I haven't read all the posts but I think this should be looked at from outside a filmakers perspective. The video mode on this camera is not meant to be for a real production. It's a still photographers tool nothing more. It can be used to capture a bride on her wedding day to include with a DVD of pictures but anything that requires real color correcting or editing is going to fall apart with this codec.

Wow, I can't believe I ever talked this way about the 5D II. I mean I still agree that it wasn't designed for the filmaker in mind and was just a feature that was added to benefit still photographers but the codec image quality is great especially since most of us don't edit in the native format.

It still brought up a whole list of challenges (moire, audio, not being able to throw on any lens and expect great optical quality, form factor, HD monitoring, convincing canon to release 24p and manual control, etc.) Amazing what filmmakers will put up with to achieve a full frame DOF at nice price point (self included).

[steventimothy]

Agreed, this zombie thread was completely entertaining... everyone was either blown away or in denial! Ian, way to see the future dude :) I thought I could see a little light bulb above your head in that first post.

[Vascilli]

I knew from the announcement of the 5D II that I would never buy a video camera. (I didn't do video before it, just stills) Now here I am, using the same camera used to film television shows to help my friend do an English project. (I'm in 11th grade) I like knowing that I will probably never outgrow this camera.