The image quality the D90 should deliver.

[buildyo]

Maybe I'm naiv but when I heard of a DSRL shooting HD video for the first time I visualized this movie quality:

http://www.vimeo.com/1723303

I'm convinced the D90 could deliver this quality with better downsampling and higher bit rate. Maybe by next year a DSRL or Micro Four Thirds finally will.


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http://myphotomoviecam.blogspot.com/

[evilfoxhound]

I'm looking forward to seeing Canon and Sony's response to the D-Movie mode. Things can only get better for this function. Just imagine what we will be seeing in a few years time.

[Matthew Bennett]

Maybe I'm naiv but when I heard of a DSRL shooting HD video for the first time I visualized this movie quality:

http://www.vimeo.com/1723303

I'm convinced the D90 could deliver this quality with better downsampling and higher bit rate. Maybe by next year a DSRL or Micro Four Thirds finally will.


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http://myphotomoviecam.blogspot.com/

That clip is incredible. That guy is a soldier for working his poor shutter like that.

21 fps looks pretty much like 24fps, not bad!

Just tried the fast shutter on my d90, its pretty fast too but not that fast.

[kfrogg]

Flowers. Always with the Flowers.

However, since my d90 arrived yesterday, I'll be posting my own floral porn very soon...

[Kholi]

Awesome: floral porn.

[stoiqa]

Awesome: floral porn.

.....it has something to do with color "reproduction":Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)

[kfrogg]

...well, how bout some gear porn? Hey Kholi...KEH had a sidewalk sale today... i picked up *12* manual lenses for my my new '90... and also my minolta sgpro mount. Total cost: $15. Can't wait for the moon tonight to try out the $5 mirror zoom.

Some were as is, all are third party, but for pennies a serving...I've already gotten my money's worth playin' with 'em!

(The photos BTW were using my $16 pawn shop Nikkor.)

...and kholi thanks again for tech support prior to my d90 purchase.

cheers
chuck from ATL

[Matthew Bennett]

ba$tard!!!

those are some enormous pieces of glass!

[f64manray]

Flowers. Always with the Flowers.

However, since my d90 arrived yesterday, I'll be posting my own floral porn very soon...

Do the full monty and remove the petals and leaves. Sexy. :-)

[stoiqa]

...well, how bout some gear porn? Hey Kholi...KEH had a sidewalk sale today... i picked up *12* manual lenses for my my new '90... and also my minolta sgpro mount. Total cost: $15. Can't wait for the moon tonight to try out the $5 mirror zoom.

Some were as is, all are third party, but for pennies a serving...I've already gotten my money's worth playin' with 'em!

(The photos BTW were using my $16 pawn shop Nikkor.)

...and kholi thanks again for tech support prior to my d90 purchase.

cheers
chuck from ATL

cant wait to see your result with 12...:-Laugh(DBG):

[kfrogg]

well...i've already run out of hot glue...now resorting to gaffers tape to fuse them all together...

[Matthew Bennett]

It's worth renting a Pentax k20 just to destroy the shutter, hope it doesn't burn+lock while you're actually shooting, and just spend a day grabbing lots of interesting stock.
Hmm I'm going to look into this.

But you only get 115 frames which is almost 5 seconds per 'clip'

[Patrick Bower]

From dpreview.com:

"The K20D provides.... the unique Burst (21 fps, 1536 x 1024 JPEGs approx 116 frames)......In our quick test the ultra-fast burst mode, which uses an electronic shutter instead of the mechanical shutter and shoots at 1.5 megapixels shot 117 frames in 5.8 seconds (approx 20 fps)."

So that Vimeo clip did not wear out the shutter at all. And why is the quality so much better than the D90's MJPEG 1,280 x 720 pixels?

Patrick

[buildyo]

From dpreview.com:

"The K20D provides.... the unique Burst (21 fps, 1536 x 1024 JPEGs approx 116 frames)......In our quick test the ultra-fast burst mode, which uses an electronic shutter instead of the mechanical shutter and shoots at 1.5 megapixels shot 117 frames in 5.8 seconds (approx 20 fps)."

So that Vimeo clip did not wear out the shutter at all. And why is the quality so much better than the D90's MJPEG 1,280 x 720 pixels?

Patrick

Really? If this is true we only need 3 fps more. For a lot of applications 5s recording time is enough.

Have you downloaded and watched the original .mov file? The quality is awesome!
Or do you ask why its better? It's better because every single frame is a DSLR quality JPEG photo not a sloppy downscaled and strongly compressed MJPEG at an average data rate of only 15 mbits/s.
Have you downloaded and looked at the original D90 .AVI samples at Vimeo? To me they only look good up to 480p while I can enjoy the full 720p from the Pentax. VHS vs HD I would say.

[ESTEBEVERDE]

I really don't think Nikon is stupid or is subpar.

I really think they have something up their sleeves like a "D3x, D700x, and D300x" with these type of capabilities.

I would imagine that they will have a $2000+ plus camera that will blow the doors of things.

I chalk all this up to marketing.

[buildyo]

I really don't think Nikon is stupid or is subpar.

I really think they have something up their sleeves like a "D3x, D700x, and D300x" with these type of capabilities.

I would imagine that they will have a $2000+ plus camera that will blow the doors of things.

I chalk all this up to marketing.

I asked Nikon support if it's possible to give my D700 a video mode like the D90 by firmware upgrade. They said its technically not possible. I think the D90 has another sensor model than the D300. But of course I hope Nikon will bring out a 300x that gives us all we want. But next year is too late :crybaby:

[buildyo]

Hmm I'm going to look into this.


I'm sure you will. I thought you would also enjoy this:

The free Pentax Remote Assistant 3 software enables you to remotely control one or more tethered K20D digital SLRs from a PC or Mac. You can control almost all camera functions as well as triggering shutter release manually, at regular intervals or at specific times. With more than one camera attached you can even achieve 'same time' synchronized exposures.

I have no experience with Pentax (discovered it at Vimeo) and I don't know if the software controls the burst mode but that are interesting possibilities.
BTW your work at http://www.matthewbennettpictures.com is great.

[Matthew Bennett]

Now I really want to go and check out a k20D just to hear the shutter whir.. must be insane.

5 second clips would get limiting pretty quick, but again, nice for some quick slightly sped up stock shots.

[ESTEBEVERDE]

I asked Nikon support if it's possible to give my D700 a video mode like the D90 by firmware upgrade. They said its technically not possible. I think the D90 has another sensor model than the D300. But of course I hope Nikon will bring out a 300x that gives us all we want. But next year is too late :crybaby:


Shoot with what you have today and worry about the rest later.

It's all about the story and material.


The technical images are very important and most certainly so in regards to not being a distraction from the story (JelloCam) but short of that the Story will always rule the day.


That is probably the most important thing I have learned from everyone here on this admittedly tech mad site! :beer:

[Madmanden]

Now I really want to go and check out a k20D just to hear the shutter whir.. must be insane.
Electronic shutter.

[ekai]

I'm looking forward to seeing Canon and Sony's response to the D-Movie mode. Things can only get better for this function. Just imagine what we will be seeing in a few years time.


No doubt Sony is on this and had a hand in this technology. I see a scenario where Sony allows Nikon to use this tech to keep their relationship so Nikon keeps buying their sensors. This in the process allows Nikon to beta test and legitimize video in DSLR something which Sony has a hard time doing, not having the pull as Nikon.

[Matthew Bennett]

Electronic shutter.

Fascinating - how does the electronic shutter work?

How lazy am I - i'll just wiki it

[Matthew Bennett]

I'm sure you will. I thought you would also enjoy this:

The free Pentax Remote Assistant 3 software enables you to remotely control one or more tethered K20D digital SLRs from a PC or Mac. You can control almost all camera functions as well as triggering shutter release manually, at regular intervals or at specific times. With more than one camera attached you can even achieve 'same time' synchronized exposures.

I have no experience with Pentax (discovered it at Vimeo) and I don't know if the software controls the burst mode but that are interesting possibilities.
BTW your work at http://www.matthewbennettpictures.com is great.

Thanks!

[ando]

No doubt Sony is on this and had a hand in this technology. I see a scenario where Sony allows Nikon to use this tech to keep their relationship so Nikon keeps buying their sensors. This in the process allows Nikon to beta test and legitimize video in DSLR something which Sony has a hard time doing, not having the pull as Nikon.

as long as nikon makes the devices used to build sensors, cpus (intel) and lcds you can be sure many companies are in good relationship with nikon. the dslrs are a small part in the game.

[ando]

I'm sure you will. I thought you would also enjoy this:

The free Pentax Remote Assistant 3 software enables you to remotely control...


you can do that with nikon camera control pro
you also see the liveview video on your pc that way and select focus points and so on.

[buildyo]

you can do that with nikon camera control pro
you also see the liveview video on your pc that way and select focus points and so on.

Yes I know, I use Nikon Camera Control Pro 2. It costs $169 and is very useful. But I'm afraid you can't start the D90 movie recording with the current version and to my knowledge you also can't control several cameras at once.

[ando]

i know it's expensive... previous versions without live view were much cheaper. good thing it was free with d300 and d3, at least for a while.

you are right, you can't control at the same time multiple cameras.

[Nicky]

Are u guys saying that the pentax k20d can shoot 20fps 1500 x 1000 (up to 5 secs)
full dof without breaking the mechanical shutter???....

If its electronic shutter like you say and the shutter wont break.... THEN WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON!!!!!!!!!

[Nicky]

Im quickly heading off to my local camera shop to test this for my self.... Ill let u guys know fo sho.

[Matthew Bennett]

Yeah, conceivably you could use the Pentax shutter forever without breaking it, if there's no real opening or closing, correct?
I'm going to check this out tonight, too!

Add a Pentax to Nikon mount adapter and you're set!! (to record very tiny, very nice clips at 1500x100)

[rawfa]

Jesus Christ! The image is freaking impressive! Does anyone know what is forcing the 5sec shooting limitation? Can't this be by passed? These results are simple incredible. Have you seen the sharpness, the color, the texture. Amazing. Pentax has to come up with something that allows more shooting time!

[buildyo]

I didn't find the info in the K20D user manual but the German Pentax website says that in burst mode the shutter stays open and an electronic shutter is used instead.

According to the user manual you can select the highest JPEG compression quality!

I'm looking forward to your hands on experiences.

[rawfa]

Please DO fill us in. If this limitation could be by passed then the D90 could have a VERY SERIOUS competitor. Imagewise the Pentax images destroy the D90's I've seen so far.

[kevm14]

Imagewise the Pentax images destroy the D90's I've seen so far.

Are you talking about stills or "movie" quality? I just examined the sample stills at DPReview and I don't think it is superior to the D90. And the meter was all over the place.

[rawfa]

Sorry, I meant movie quality.

[Matthew Bennett]

I think that still for still, they should probably be around the same quality, no?

Video wise (i'm sure everybody has figured this out but I'll state it again):

With the d90 you get: passable 720p at 24fps, limit of 5min. Delivered in a bottomless bitrate motion jpeg AVI.

With the K20D you get: a burst series of HIGH QUALITY, sequential 1500x1000 JPEGS at 21 fps, maximum 115 frames which would give you a (slightly sped up from real-life) 5 second clip at 24p. You would have to take the JPEG's in AE or whatever to make them into a movie.


Man, I'd like to have both cameras, though!

The d90 for mucking around and practicing, and the K20D for getting those sweet, highly gradable 5sec. slightly sped up clips.

[rawfa]

The K20D is a new model so I would not be expecting a replacement at this next Photokina.

[buildyo]

Does anyone know what is forcing the 5sec shooting limitation? Can't this be by passed?

I think the camera has an internal buffer an it writes the burst to the card afterwards. What we would need is 4 frames more and a camera with upgradable RAM.

[ando]

With the K20D you get: a burst series of HIGH QUALITY, sequential 1500x1000 JPEGS at 21 fps, maximum 115 frames which would give you a (slightly sped up from real-life) 5 second clip at 24p. You would have to take the JPEG's in AE or whatever to make them into a movie.

The d90 for mucking around and practicing, and the K20D for getting those sweet, highly gradable 5sec. slightly sped up clips.

is this a joke or something?
you call 21 frame bursts "video"?
pentax first has to make a good dslr then go for the video part. you'll have to wait a bit longer.

[Nicky]

Ye... seems its electronic for REAL!!!

I saw the camera today and it really works 20P (5secs), the images are proper with exif data and all - manual everything, shutter:) ... DROOL!

This is like a dream... just got to get around the 5 secs limit - perhaps with bigger cards?

Anyone know of a Nikon adapter so I can use my Nikons.
I guess this means Im really considering buying it over the D90.

[stoiqa]

Ye... seems its electronic for REAL!!!

I saw the camera today and it really works 20P (5secs), the images are proper with exif data and all - manual everything, shutter:) ... DROOL!

This is like a dream... just got to get around the 5 secs limit - perhaps with bigger cards?

Anyone know of a Nikon adapter so I can use my Nikons.
I guess this means Im really considering buying it over the D90.

Hi Nicky,

Good luck with your purchase Nicky.Post your comments and results.We`d love to hear them.

Only hope 5sec at 20fps would be enough....

[Nicky]

Thanks Stoiqa.

Here are some links for adapters to use Nikon lenses on the pentax

http://cgi.ebay.com/Nikon-lens-to-Pentax-K10d-k20d-k100d-k200d-DS-adapter_W0QQitemZ140267381570QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem140267381570&_trkparms=72%3A1163%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nikon-Lens-to-Pentax-Adapter-for-K110D-K200D-K20D-K10D_W0QQitemZ360081801535QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ200 80823?IMSfp=TL080823138r6067

[ando]

This is like a dream... just got to get around the 5 secs limit - perhaps with bigger cards?
.

never
it shoots low res images until the internal buffer is full.

pentax can't shoot more than that with its current hardware.
it's like casio.

[Emanuel]

I found this pearl*:


http://www.vimeo.com/1788179

thread's LINK (http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/photo-hd-video-d-slr-others/135191-dslr-full-motion-video-old-fashioned-way.html)

A woman reaches a milestone.

* shot with a DSLR (Pentax K10D)

[rawfa]

Looks incredible!

[nimbleal]

Just shot 90% of a music video with a k20D:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIh2a6r8y9E&fmt=18

The image quality is incredible if you get exposure right. Pin sharp at 1080p, great colours, no visible compression etc.

HOWEVER it has equal rolling shutter to the D90, the 5 seconds thing is very restrictive and no sound would make it tricky for many types of work.

I wouldn't really recommend using it unless its a project for fun or for clients you know REALLY well! The most exciting thing though its a taster of the quality we can all be expecting, in a more practical form, at reasonable money in the years to come.

[rawfa]

You cannot really tell anything about quality on youtube. Some people have the missconception that vimeo.com is for HD only. Wrong. You can put "anything" you want there.

[f64manray]

Just shot 90% of a music video with a k20D:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIh2a6r8y9E&fmt=18

The image quality is incredible if you get exposure right. Pin sharp at 1080p, great colours, no visible compression etc.

HOWEVER it has equal rolling shutter to the D90, the 5 seconds thing is very restrictive and no sound would make it tricky for many types of work.

I wouldn't really recommend using it unless its a project for fun or for clients you know REALLY well! The most exciting thing though its a taster of the quality we can all be expecting, in a more practical form, at reasonable money in the years to come.

very nice. This gives me high hopes for the 5DII. This is exactly the kind of work I'll be doing with it.